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Thread Number: 23791
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| Post# 266434 2/6/2014 at 14:02 (3,730 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
Don't you just love that moment when a relative, friend or loved one says "I could do with a new hoover"? Well that's precisely what happened. My boyfriend has a 10 year old Panasonic that wasn't expensive when it was new. It's an ok cleaner, but past it's best and was sounding a bit tired. It's also a little bit weedy to use as his house has quite large rooms. Pic below.
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| Post# 266435 , Reply# 1 2/6/2014 at 14:05 (3,730 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 266436 , Reply# 2 2/6/2014 at 14:06 (3,730 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 266438 , Reply# 3 2/6/2014 at 14:12 (3,730 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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Your BF has good taste! I bet the store was disappointed when you tried out their demonstrator then walked out without buying one. I had a feeling I knew what he'd be getting before I even saw the picture below your first post. Sebo rocks! | ||
| Post# 266439 , Reply# 4 2/6/2014 at 14:12 (3,730 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Now, Roshan (my other half) vacuums weekly. He has no pets and lives alone. The Panasonic has a floating head, but it has beater bars and strong suction, so it's not a bad little vacuum at all. He also borrows his Mums Kirby Ultimate G twice a year to blitz the place.
I've just vacuumed from top to bottom and THIS is what the Sebo pulled out of a combination of medium pile carpet and 4 shag rugs. I've not vacuumed anything that isn't normally vacuumed or anywhere that would be excessively dusty. 
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| Post# 266441 , Reply# 5 2/6/2014 at 14:17 (3,730 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Steve, he chose it himself. He'd used mine and liked it. I narrowed down a list of decent vacuums to get, including the Miele s7, Dyson DC41, a recon Kirby G4 and a newer Panasonic. In the end, he went with the Sebo as he thought it was the easiest to use and would be fairly quick to do a big clean with.
We would've bought it from our local independent store but they were asking £210 for it and wouldn't budge. We couldn't justify the difference really. Even £199 and I would've gone for it, but sadly they stuck at £210. | ||
| Post# 266444 , Reply# 7 2/6/2014 at 14:35 (3,730 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Notice the box of Ariel in #1! | ||
| Post# 266445 , Reply# 8 2/6/2014 at 14:45 (3,730 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 266447 , Reply# 9 2/6/2014 at 15:22 (3,730 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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What size? TESCO have the 22 wash box for £5. | ||
| Post# 266448 , Reply# 10 2/6/2014 at 15:29 (3,730 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
Turbo500 your other half has very good taste! Gosh that's some dust and dirt you have removed with the SEBO just shows you. Can't believe that well I can love my SEBO Felix. Hey you definitely can't say the SEBO X skims the surface of the carpet pile and rugs. Thats evidence it deep cleans for sure. Did you notice a difference in the carpet pile? Was it more groomed?
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| Post# 266449 , Reply# 11 2/6/2014 at 15:30 (3,730 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 266450 , Reply# 12 2/6/2014 at 15:51 (3,730 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 266452 , Reply# 13 2/6/2014 at 16:05 (3,730 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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And after just using my new K3 again, I'm convinced its one of the best cylinder cleaners on the market too. | ||
| Post# 266453 , Reply# 14 2/6/2014 at 16:07 (3,730 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 266458 , Reply# 15 2/6/2014 at 16:23 (3,730 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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I beg to differ. The Kirby Sentria has an excessively large price tag and is not particularly convenient to use. Whilst I agree that it is an amazing performer on carpet, the tools are a faff to get on and off, especially for quick use. I couldn't be bothered with taking half the cleaner apart just to use the hose. They weren't even convenient by the standards of old when dirty fan cleaners were a common sight on the market. They're also far too big and bulky to maneuver around or under furniture, whereas the Sebo is light to use and works completely flat to get under beds and sofas etc.
On balance, whilst the Kirby may be a better carpet performer, the Sebo offers a much better all round package IMO. | ||
| Post# 266459 , Reply# 16 2/6/2014 at 16:32 (3,730 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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I agree SEBO certainly do make the best uprights you can buy today. So glad I discovered SEBO I don't miss washing filters and emptying the dust bucket!!!
Madabouthoovers I do love the SEBO K range I wouldn't mine getting one, although not a big fan of cylinders but would have one of these no doubt. Like you thread on your new K3 Vulcano like this model in particular. | ||
| Post# 266469 , Reply# 20 2/6/2014 at 17:02 (3,730 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England) | ||
Hi, Hi Chris, Hope your well and it was nice to see you again the other week. Why I'm glad you got a deal on the Sebo at £175. This is why lots of shops are closing down. People go to see what a machine is like in person and pick the "experts" brain then go on line and get it on line where quite often they don't have the same knowledge or overheads. If you had bought that Sebo off me I would of made Nothing on it....AT ALL at £175! In fact I would of made a loss. Then when you charge RRP some people think your trying to rip them off.
I'm not going to even start on what's been said about Kirby....
James | ||
| Post# 266470 , Reply# 21 2/6/2014 at 17:07 (3,730 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Sebo definitely win when it comes to Uprights, however despite the cord/handle area being a slight problem, it's so easy to fix & the X4 was the easiest Vacuum I had to clean up before I sold it. | ||
| Post# 266477 , Reply# 22 2/6/2014 at 17:25 (3,730 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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Well, I suppose to each his own... I purchased my refurbished Kirby Sentria on ebay for $299.00 or 183 British Pounds. ( sorry, my keyboard does not have the Pound symbol) Is that a prohibitive cost for a Kirby Sentria in the UK? If you were to purchase a refurbished unit on ebay, there would be no pushy salesman involved.
All that aside, I believe Kirby's agitation and airflow are at least equal to the SEBO's, but I have found that SEBO's hose suction to be less than that of a good canister vac. And at only 183 pounds + shipping, you could afford a Kirby and a nice canister vac for all your above floor cleaning. | ||
| Post# 266478 , Reply# 23 2/6/2014 at 17:33 (3,730 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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I would have thought people who use Kirbys go around Vacuuming the floors first then assemble the machine to do above floor cleaning. It would be a hassle changing it as you go along. | ||
| Post# 266480 , Reply# 25 2/6/2014 at 17:35 (3,730 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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James, I remember you saying about the RRP price of the x1.1. I really wanted to stick by my local retailer. I got my red x1.1 from them for £199, but they just would not bring it back down to that. There wasn't much brain picking going on, it was a case of "how much?" really. I said we'd seen it online at £175, would you do it for £199?" but got a flat out no. And LOL, at your Kirby comment.
Sptyks, Rosh would not have bought 2 vacuums, especially not at £200 EACH. | ||
| Post# 266487 , Reply# 27 2/6/2014 at 17:56 (3,730 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 266538 , Reply# 29 2/7/2014 at 03:35 (3,729 days old) by spiraclean (UK) | ||
Nice one! Did you splash out on any of the optional tools to go with it, or will those be coming at a later date? Getting kitted out with the full kit and caboodle can be hard to resist!
That stuffed bag is pretty impressive, bit of a surprise considering the Panasonic isn't a half bad cleaner at all. As mentioned before I didn't get those results myself, but I feel that's more down to incompatibility with my carpet (which really seems to clean better with either a cylinder, or a low-to-moderate suction upright). The Sebo X is by no means short on suction, and has a nice stiff brush roller, so for the overwhelming majority of people it will do an excellent job. It's obviously working out nicely for you guys as proven by the picture, and it will be interesting to see how quickly the next bag fills and how long that takes to taper off to a normal level. As for Kirby, while I like them, they are best suited to those who actually enjoy cleaning and have both the time and inclination to get stuck in. OK if you're prepared to go round the house once with the upright, then again with the hose setup for everything else, but not for those who prefer to switch back and forth between floor and above-floor cleaning before moving on to the next room. That's why so many used Kirbys of all ages often come with tool sets still in A1 condition with nothing missing... They rarely make it out of the cupboard. | ||
| Post# 266540 , Reply# 30 2/7/2014 at 04:37 (3,729 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England) | ||
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Hi Chris, Hi Chris, I wasn't saying you was brain picking lol. I'd expect you to know more than the sale person. I'm talking about the public in general. Coming in wanting to know what's the best vac for pets, The weight and suction of something, How long it might last, Are spares available etc etc. Then once you've spent time answering all their questions it's.... Ok "we'll think about it" Sometimes they come back sometimes they don't. So you don't know if your wasting your time or not with someone.
One thing I don't tell the public is how to repair their vac. Why would I do myself out of money?? I'm a business not a charity Also if you did tell someone what to do esp over the phone and they do it wrong they blame you...."You told me to do it" So best to keep quite when asked lol. Mind you it makes you laugh when they phone you up and say...."My hoovers broke, What's wrong with it?" Let me just get my crystal ball.
James
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| Post# 266542 , Reply# 31 2/7/2014 at 05:13 (3,729 days old) by spiraclean (UK) | ||
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James,
That does sound all too familiar I afraid. I used to work for a small independent chain, and while customers knew our service, delivery and after care was better, they would still insist they wanted to "think about it". Which meant buying it from Comet instead. Wonder how that's working out for them now Comet have gone. Good luck with the non existent after sales service (which wasn't even all that great when it actually did still exist), I'm sure the twenty quid saving more than makes up for that. | ||
| Post# 266543 , Reply# 32 2/7/2014 at 05:56 (3,729 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
Depends on the Kirby ...
As a New York City apartment dweller I never thought a "bulky, heavy" Kirby would be appropriate until I got my D80. It's actually smaller and lighter than my Fantom Thunder that I'd been using with no problem.
I can't speak to the Sentria since I've never used one in my space, though, but I'm assuming it has a wider brush roll then my D80, which would make it more tricky to maneuver through tight spaces. | ||
| Post# 266607 , Reply# 34 2/7/2014 at 18:03 (3,729 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266609 , Reply# 35 2/7/2014 at 18:21 (3,729 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Is there still floor to vacuum in your house Alex? :) | ||
| Post# 266610 , Reply# 36 2/7/2014 at 18:23 (3,729 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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AlexHoovers94 's house is gonna be featured on "Hoarding - Buried Alive" this year I believe - lol
(Buried alive by Hoover Turbopowers)! | ||
| Post# 266611 , Reply# 37 2/7/2014 at 18:24 (3,729 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Haha Steve. | ||
| Post# 266612 , Reply# 38 2/7/2014 at 18:24 (3,729 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266613 , Reply# 39 2/7/2014 at 18:27 (3,729 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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Alex - how come we don't hear much from you on VL these days? | ||
| Post# 266614 , Reply# 40 2/7/2014 at 18:31 (3,729 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266616 , Reply# 41 2/7/2014 at 18:33 (3,729 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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cba Alex? whats that? | ||
| Post# 266617 , Reply# 42 2/7/2014 at 18:39 (3,729 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266618 , Reply# 43 2/7/2014 at 18:41 (3,729 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266635 , Reply# 44 2/8/2014 at 05:58 (3,728 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Alex, a few things you're forgetting.
- the Turbopower's haven't been on sale in 13 years - the hose suction on them is crap - even though they were good on carpet, they were hit and miss in the build quality, hence why there are so many U2194's and U2602's and virtually no 2336's. Not everyone is an enthusiast for old appliances. My other half wouldn't have wanted some 25 year old upright with crap hose suction. He wanted a NEW vacuum. | ||
| Post# 266640 , Reply# 45 2/8/2014 at 07:02 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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And not everyone is enthusiastic about Sebos, which have a pathetic height adjustment that is awful and it constantly falls over when using the tools.
The Turbopowers hose suction is not THAT great but I wouldn't suggest the word crap. This post was last edited 02/08/2014 at 08:42 | ||
| Post# 266643 , Reply# 46 2/8/2014 at 08:09 (3,728 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
No Alex, but at the same the Turbopowers that you grossly promote are PLASTIC. The classic uprights like the Hoover Junior and Senior get my vote.
Had I not been given my parents X1 Automatic I'd have been slow to buy into the SEBO name. Id have stuck with my Junior or Senior uprights. Well done on the purchase, Chris. I knew you were going to buy a SEBO upright. Im not surprised at the amount of dirt the machine picked up. You should do up the old Panasonic and either keep it (as the current ones lack the beater bar stop function) or Ebay it. I could never have a Kirby in my home. My home is large enough for it, but the hallways are too narrow and like Chris says, the amount of time spent taking the thing apart to convert it this way, that way is not for me. Fine if you're retired and have all the time in the world. Not for a 12 hour shift person like me though! | ||
| Post# 266644 , Reply# 47 2/8/2014 at 08:11 (3,728 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Likewise I could not use a Kirby with all of the hard floors & short-pile carpets I have in my house! | ||
| Post# 266646 , Reply# 48 2/8/2014 at 08:38 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266647 , Reply# 49 2/8/2014 at 08:41 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266656 , Reply# 50 2/8/2014 at 09:43 (3,728 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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SEBO is not for me I would not be able to use a SEBO in my home. Because with my thick plush medium pile carpet, and the SEBO's ineffective auto height adjustment and barely average hose suction, it's just not for me. Give me the powerful direct air suction, superior agitation and manual height adjustment of a Royal metal upright or a Kirby any day. | ||
| Post# 266659 , Reply# 51 2/8/2014 at 09:58 (3,728 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Alex, I know that not everyone is as enthusiast about Sebo's, but in terms of modern machines, what else is there? In terms of deep cleaning, reliable and easy to use uprights, it's that or an S7.
As I've said a hundred times before, I've always found that this auto height adjustment works very well and the amount of dust and grit it has pulled out of my other half's carpets proves that. Based on your theory of the Sebo skimming the carpet, surely it wouldn't pick up much more than the Panasonic? And yet, it's half filled a bag. Go figure. There's no hope for them, Ry. Even with the evidence plonked infront of them that the Sebo works well, they still argue it. | ||
| Post# 266667 , Reply# 52 2/8/2014 at 11:00 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266670 , Reply# 54 2/8/2014 at 11:26 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266673 , Reply# 55 2/8/2014 at 11:51 (3,728 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 266674 , Reply# 56 2/8/2014 at 12:01 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266686 , Reply# 57 2/8/2014 at 13:03 (3,728 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
In terms of deep cleaning, reliable and easy to use 
deep cleaning, good god chris, sebo's are okay but they dont deep clean at all, to be honest they dont really do ANYTHING, they are reliable being commercial and all, the only reason I ever use my x4 is because its comfortable to use however the tools are pretty much useless except the crevice tool, plus they literally ruin hard floors something that sebo say that they are designed for. Alex get out of the 90s with your bloody turbopowers, however I do agree that the suction on the x4 isnt really that good.
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| Post# 266687 , Reply# 58 2/8/2014 at 13:04 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266690 , Reply# 59 2/8/2014 at 13:10 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266691 , Reply# 60 2/8/2014 at 13:17 (3,728 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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why, Michael? When it works for me? | ||
| Post# 266694 , Reply# 61 2/8/2014 at 13:24 (3,728 days old) by citroenbx (england) | ||
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| Post# 266697 , Reply# 62 2/8/2014 at 13:34 (3,728 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Well evidentially, it does deep clean given how much grit and dust came out of these carpets.
The Sebo is meant to feel like it's gliding - that's the whole point of the auto height adjustment. It's designed so that the brushroll is at the correct height. It still gives an excellent deep clean. No agitation, Alex? I beg to differ. Watch this space. Alex, you're in no position to be judging anyone's carpets. When did you last vacuum anything above floor? ;) | ||
| Post# 266698 , Reply# 63 2/8/2014 at 13:35 (3,728 days old) by citroenbx (england) | ||
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| Post# 266702 , Reply# 64 2/8/2014 at 13:38 (3,728 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 266704 , Reply# 65 2/8/2014 at 13:42 (3,728 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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I would also like to point out that Alex has, ONCE AGAIN, managed to make a conversation about a modern cleaner about Hoover Turbopowers, a vacuum that hasn't been on the market for 13 years. This entire discussion is completely irrelevant to the original post.
Can somebody create a Hoover Turbopower section of the site just for Alex? | ||
| Post# 266705 , Reply# 66 2/8/2014 at 13:43 (3,728 days old) by citroenbx (england) | ||
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| Post# 266708 , Reply# 67 2/8/2014 at 13:48 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Chris,
woooah, we draw the line there it is definitely better built than a Turbopower 1 but it is most certainty not better, not even close!! the hose suction is obviously not as good, but you have to comprise somewhere, the Sebo does it with cleaning and the Hoover on the hose suction, however the Turbopower 2 cleaners are pretty good and have good hose suction, for the time I guess. Don't forget we are talking about a cleaner from the 90's, cleaners were less powerful than they are now, as you must know. Also Cirton BX, who gave you the idea that I don't like DC01's?!?! I LOVE DC01's, the De Stijl especially. | ||
| Post# 266709 , Reply# 68 2/8/2014 at 13:49 (3,728 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 266710 , Reply# 69 2/8/2014 at 13:51 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266711 , Reply# 70 2/8/2014 at 13:53 (3,728 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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how much grit and dust came out of these carpets. | ||
| Post# 266712 , Reply# 71 2/8/2014 at 13:54 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266713 , Reply# 72 2/8/2014 at 13:57 (3,728 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England) | ||
Sebo X1... I just thought I might put my thoughts about the Sebo X1.1, which I believe - do correct me if I am wrong - is not too dissimilar to the X Automatic, apart from the obvious differences. The school I attend have a fleet of around seven or eight Sebo X1.1'S, some are in the blue and yellow colour scheme and some are white and grey. As they are used in a school with over 2000 students and 100 classrooms, they have all taken a battering over the years they have been in use. Now, I have used them several times, sometimes even for cleaning up after light building work, and I believe that they are some of the best and well designed uprights available for sale on the current market , comparing them to older cleaners is almost irrelevant in my opinion, others may beg to differ but that is my opinion. The suction from the cleaner head is strong, and so is the hose suction, which is rare to find a vacuum which has equally good floor head and hose suction without compromising one way or another. Good deep cleaning for hard worn out carpets, cleaning deep down. The build quality on the X1.1's are great, I know people and I am one, that believe that modern German engineered products have good build quality, and that is true. We have a kitchen full of appliances from Bosch, and I have recently bought a Miele S2111 in Lava Grey which for the price I paid, is a superbly engineered and durable product, as well as good suction. I am not trying to compare the Sebo to the Miele, but I have got a cylinder on the fact that we have lots of wooden floors with lots of furniture which can mean hard access to crevices with an upright cleaner.
This is purely my opinion on the matter, and not trying to create arguments.
Chris, I am sure that Rosh will enjoy his new Sebo :) | ||
| Post# 266715 , Reply# 73 2/8/2014 at 14:02 (3,728 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Michael....
Are you blind? The only carpet fluff is the red stuff at the bottom from a shag rug. The rest is dust and grit. Rosh has light brown carpets throughout, yet there is no light brown carpet fluff anywhere to be seen in that bag.
Also, it was only a month ago you were singing the praises of your newly acquired X4. What happened? Did you just get bored with your latest toy quite quickly? | ||
| Post# 266716 , Reply# 74 2/8/2014 at 14:03 (3,728 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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compared to the suction on most modern uprights it isnt that good, they are good for commercial use because they are commercial......... like I said I love my other sebo products the x series just let them down, and yes chris I do that with everything after the excitement goes your left with reality
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| Post# 266717 , Reply# 75 2/8/2014 at 14:03 (3,728 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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"ALL new bought appliances come with a years return to store warranty". Actually, this is not correct, but I will not expand further unless invited to do so for fear of being spoken to in the same way that others have been. | ||
| Post# 266720 , Reply# 77 2/8/2014 at 14:13 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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for floors the TP1 and X4 are about on par | ||
| Post# 266721 , Reply# 78 2/8/2014 at 14:16 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266722 , Reply# 79 2/8/2014 at 14:20 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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"Alex, take this as you will, but someone who is happy to post pictures in a public forum about vacuum cleaners of their house in that state is in no position to lecture others on deep cleaning...just a thought."
How rude!! Perhaps I shall come into your house and see how perfect it is, well it must be. unbelievably odious. Further more, where was I lecturing anyone personally about "deep cleaning"? I made a general point, I didn't point fingers on anyone. urgh! RUDE. | ||
| Post# 266724 , Reply# 81 2/8/2014 at 14:23 (3,728 days old) by Sebox4 () | ||
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Perhaps I shall come into your house and see how perfect it Feel free, bring a pair of white gloves I'm rather proud of it ;) | ||
| Post# 266725 , Reply# 82 2/8/2014 at 14:23 (3,728 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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TP2 bag doors.. | ||
| Post# 266726 , Reply# 83 2/8/2014 at 14:26 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266727 , Reply# 84 2/8/2014 at 14:27 (3,728 days old) by Sebox4 () | ||
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A machine that hovers over the carpet When did the constellation come into this discussion? | ||
| Post# 266728 , Reply# 85 2/8/2014 at 14:29 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266731 , Reply# 88 2/8/2014 at 14:31 (3,728 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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| Post# 266732 , Reply# 89 2/8/2014 at 14:32 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266733 , Reply# 90 2/8/2014 at 14:33 (3,728 days old) by Sebox4 () | ||
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Wouldn't you agree? Probably, but playing the devil's advocate is always interesting. | ||
| Post# 266735 , Reply# 91 2/8/2014 at 14:39 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266736 , Reply# 92 2/8/2014 at 14:44 (3,728 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 266737 , Reply# 93 2/8/2014 at 14:47 (3,728 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England) | ||
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| Post# 266738 , Reply# 94 2/8/2014 at 14:47 (3,728 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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I think the comments "Daily", "Mail", and "Readers" would be appropriate too. Have you people no idea how bitter and immature you make yourselves sound? | ||
| Post# 266742 , Reply# 98 2/8/2014 at 14:59 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266746 , Reply# 100 2/8/2014 at 15:18 (3,728 days old) by citroenbx (england) | ||
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| Post# 266747 , Reply# 101 2/8/2014 at 15:19 (3,728 days old) by citroenbx (england) | ||
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| Post# 266748 , Reply# 102 2/8/2014 at 15:21 (3,728 days old) by citroenbx (england) | ||
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| Post# 266751 , Reply# 104 2/8/2014 at 15:31 (3,728 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 266752 , Reply# 105 2/8/2014 at 15:48 (3,728 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 266760 , Reply# 106 2/8/2014 at 16:21 (3,728 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266765 , Reply# 107 2/8/2014 at 16:35 (3,728 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 266768 , Reply# 108 2/8/2014 at 16:41 (3,728 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Chris, How does a Miele S7 compare to a Sebo X4? I am confused as to which is better because I want a powerful vac in a large, busy multi floored home. Bear in mind we have used them brands that I like for many many years | ||
| Post# 266771 , Reply# 110 2/8/2014 at 17:16 (3,728 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Tayyab, the Sebo does indeed beat the carpet, as does any upright with a decent brushroll. As the stiff bristles sweep through the carpet, it vibrates the carpet fibres, which loosens embedded dirt and grit to the surface. This is then swept into the suction path and sucked into the bag.
The Miele S7 has stronger hose suction and a full stair stretch hose, whereas the X4 requires the extra hose to be added to do the full stairs. Both the x4 and S7 are really great cleaners, but a few things to bear in mind: - the S7 is VERY large. It was designed for the US market so it's very wide and quite large to maneuver around. It's also very heavy, weighing in at 9.5kg vs the 7.4kg of the X4. - the x4 is very easy to repair. Because Sebo were designed to be easily repaired by the user, spares are cheap and easy to replace - Sebo consumables (bags, filters etc) are cheaper than Miele A friend of mine who runs a repair shop won't stock the s7 as it's such a faff to repair when they go wrong. Why not pop down to your local John Lewis or Currys and try them both out. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Turbo500's LINK | ||
Post# 266772 , Reply# 111 2/8/2014 at 17:22 (3,728 days old) by Durango159  (State College, PA) |
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I worked in a hotel that all Sebo X series machines. Carpets always looked disgraceful!! Tons of built up around the edges and main rugs weren't even that great looking. I had my fair chance of using several of them at different points checking bags and ensuring brush rolls were clean too. I wasn't happy with performance of any.
At another collectors house about a year ago, he had a Sebo Navy blue with yellow, auto height adjuster. Automatic height adjuster takes a very long time to adjust between surfaces!! The 4 of us present were not happy with air flow from hose or the agitator. Out of about 10- 15 machines that we played with that night, the Sebo groomed the carpet the worst!!! From what it sounds like the UK does not have access to Tacony machines Riccar or Simplicity line!! The Riccar/ Simplicity Tandem Air Machines are extremely durable, awesome agitation and extreme air flow. Compared to what the Sebo picked up, you'd be looking at probably 1.5 full bags with the Tacony!! Kirbys don't work for me. I've tried several including: several G4's, Ultimate G Diamond, G6 2000 special, Sentria and Sentria II. Grooming is unimpressive to me. Extremely awkward manuevering, awkward self propel system. Long hose for attachments but the hose broke twice trying to use it with wands to clean bare floors and I had to find a generic bare floor brush to use, cause I thought the Kirby ones were awful. In Filter Queen demos, I've found some Kirby owners that like them but many Kirby owners that do not like them. The Kirby sales tactics are very harsh and once the paperwork is signed then the visualizer is removed, the paperbag and cloth bag setup is installed making a clogging air polluter. Tons of dust escapes those cloth bags. Find a bright light like one used by Kirby, Filter Queen, Rainbow and others with a light bright enough to see dust in the air. Cloth bags should be able to remove dirt that the human eye can't see, however evidence shows they spew out a great amount of visible dirt!!!! | ||
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Post# 266794 , Reply# 112 2/8/2014 at 21:44 (3,728 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona) |
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 I can't get over how much dust the Sebo picked up in Reply #4. An Ultimate G twice a year should have kept the carpet clean enough for the Panasonic to easily maintain. That is of course if both machines were properly maintained. How large is the airpath on these X-series? I know they have great brushrolls but that can only go so far. | ||
| Post# 266835 , Reply# 114 2/9/2014 at 06:02 (3,727 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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oh deer, Such a tradgerdy if they hadn't
Alex, until you start living OUTSIDE of your parents home where YOU have to pay the bills, PAY for carpets and PAY for everything in your life, I suggest you keep your sarcastic and rude responses back.
It is interesting to hear what some other U.S members have said about the SEBO X4 and associated models - yet the U.S get the 12/13 manual height adjustment G2 that Hoover's Insight is a copy of - it would be good to hear if ANYONE OWNS A G2 to put forward their views of the height adjuster not going low or high enough. On the basis that SEBO offer that model in the U.S as well, it would be a fairer contest if you are going to go down that route comparing like with like. However, as Chris's post has noted, the Panasonic has auto height adjustment and the SEBO has that electronic, more precise control - the X1.1 has obviously picked up a lot more dust than what the Panasonic has. In regards to airflow/channel design, SEBO's channel is obviously larger to accomodate the larger sizing tools and the whole system is sealed before it gets to the dust bag and microfilter. However, the design is easy to work out if you haven't seen the airflow diagram that the company have. Also, to those who moan about the SEBO's hard floor cleaning "problems" I've never had a problem personally. I find it deeply ironic that given Hoover's agitator has a far more destructive nature on hard floors when put down and when set on a hard floor setting, lifts the brush roll off the floor and dirt doesn't get picked up first time. Fine if you have all the time in the world to deal with that. | ||
| Post# 266839 , Reply# 115 2/9/2014 at 07:13 (3,727 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266841 , Reply# 116 2/9/2014 at 07:47 (3,727 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Just to add into the mix about SEBO deep cleaning or not!! I know this is more about the SEBO X but thought I just comment anyway. I have short to medium pile carpet so the pile is 5 to 6 mm thick. I have a SEBO Felix which I set the height control to 3 which is one below the highest 4 and it grooms and lifts the carpet pile fine! I could set it to the lower setting 2 but I choose to use 3. I have been known to use 4 but the light flicks on and off to tell you the height is not set right!
One thing I don't get and from personal experience what all this the cleaner head has to hug and stick to the floor in particular carpet to clean these days. Surely that restricts airflow and hinders the ability to push the vacuum over the carpet. Fine if the carpet is new and the pile it's trodden down air will flow through the fibres drawing in the dirt into the vacuum. Where as if you have short pile and trodden down and some cases worn carpet pile air can not flow through the fibres as well. So restricting the airflow into the vacuum hence sticking to the floor. That's what I like about the SEBO and Miele Uprights they don't stick to the carpet; it's as if the carpet is lifted up slightly to the cleaner head to clean and agitate the fibres of the carpet. Just a thought and an opinion!! | ||
| Post# 266847 , Reply# 117 2/9/2014 at 08:55 (3,727 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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I really liked the Felix and although heavy, I thought it was very powerful on the hose and at the head and I liked the way it cleaned, it really clung to the carpet and really felt like it was doing a good job, which it was and I don't have that with the x series, the x series has Hoover Senior hose suction in comparison to the Felix. The only thing that stops me liking the Felix is that it blows out far to much hot air and I don't like the way the neck swivels but apart from that I think its great.
I also liked the D4 Premium as it was powerful and nice to use but it was to big and clunky to tug around. A bit like a modern day Sensotronic!! | ||
| Post# 266857 , Reply# 118 2/9/2014 at 11:02 (3,727 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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The Felix does clean very well I'm impressed with it. I had the Felix over the X at the time I brought it although I do like the X as well. You do get some hot air from the exhaust but I only notice it when cleaning the stairs if I don't use the extension hose and the machine is next to me. I don't notice when vacuuming floors so much. Depends how high you have the power on I only have it on half to three quarters especially since using the synthetic bags.
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| Post# 266858 , Reply# 119 2/9/2014 at 11:20 (3,727 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Thats the thing though - and very apparent online from U.S buyers from Walmart - when the Felix went on sale there, every owner is so used to amping up a vacuum cleaner because they've been let down before or so used to realising that the highest power is required all the time. Thus they weren't prepared for the hot air thrust that comes off it.
As a classic Hoover collector, it took me time to realise that the SEBO uprights aren't like conventional vacuums. But then I also realised that other brands could do things oh-so-differently. Like you, I also only use half power. Jon. When you consider that the Felix has the same power as a SEBO X4, I'd say neither of them are poor of suction through the hose. And Alex - do thy likewise - not all bagged uprights constantly have to refer back to Hoover's bloody TP1 series. | ||
| Post# 266859 , Reply# 120 2/9/2014 at 11:23 (3,727 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 266877 , Reply# 121 2/9/2014 at 16:50 (3,727 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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That's the thing the general public think you need a powerful vacuum or have it on full to clean properly! I only use full power when I need the extra boost in power.
I can't comment as I only tried an X in John Lewis briefly but I would of thought the X and Felix having the same power as each other should have a similar performance at the hose! Or the main cleaner head. | ||
| Post# 266887 , Reply# 122 2/9/2014 at 19:25 (3,727 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 266893 , Reply# 123 2/9/2014 at 20:26 (3,727 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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It is good enough don't get me wrong but by most cleaners on the market today a lot of vacuums have stronger suction such as the Felix, Purepower, DC41 not just picking on the X series, the Vax Mach Air cleaners have pretty low suction in comparison to other uprights.
But what I think is powerful and what others think is powerful may be different.
Now I am most likely going to contradict myself but I shall say it anyway - I like the lower suction when using cleaning tools, I find to much suction for the hose tasks annoying as it can shrink up and suck to anything and everything in sight. But I believe in my opinion that more suction is required at the cleaner head as more cheaper vacuums seem to have to rely on it as they have poor designed brushrolls. | ||
| Post# 266920 , Reply# 125 2/10/2014 at 03:42 (3,726 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Sebo bag capacity
The bag capacity of the Sebo is one of the things I love about it. The bags are huge and because of the top fill bag and airflow design, you can REALLY cram them full of dirt and dust before it needs changing.
I changed the bag in my Sebo for the first time since August (bear in mind, I use mine daily and I have a cat) and I'm not kidding, the bag was like a brick when I removed it. It was packed SOLID. And yet, the cleaner barely lost any suction. As Scott said, if whatever machine you're using is working for you, then great. On the contrary to what's been said above, I've ALWAYS found the Sebo to deep clean very well, groom the carpet well and the hose suction is plenty strong enough. My other half is also very happy with his Sebo and as is evident by the pictures, it's obviously doing a good job on his carpets. | ||
| Post# 266921 , Reply# 126 2/10/2014 at 03:47 (3,726 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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Smell It's the smell of a used dust bag which I cannot abide. | ||
| Post# 266923 , Reply# 127 2/10/2014 at 04:02 (3,726 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 266927 , Reply# 128 2/10/2014 at 05:38 (3,726 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Bag smelling.... | ||
| Post# 266936 , Reply# 129 2/10/2014 at 07:48 (3,726 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Cat hair doesn't tend to smell much - but dog hair reeks!
When I lent out my Dart to a friend of mine she complained the Dart stank of the dog hair and eventually I took the Dart back to discover that yes, it did indeed stink - but that was because it was fitted with SEBO's original microfilter before the charcoal one came out on the market. Now it runs fine, though from time to time, the smell still comes and goes. So I took it home again and cleaned out the hose. Oh the dirt! You don't realise that whilst vacuums have filters to cope with the smell, its the hose that gets entirely run down with pet hair and its associated oils. One quick sniff of the hose soon tells you whether it requires cleaning or not. As for SEBO bags - I write the date on mine to surprise myself. The longest bag I've since had was in my D2 series - 6.5 months, which is was the first bag I used in the machine and used that as a daily driver whenever my home required to be cleaned. The X series bags can last up to 3-5 months in my home, but it depends really on what it is cleaning up, who has visited etc. Id say that though the SEBO D2 and X series dust bags have a similar capacity, the brush roll on the upright obviously picks up more compared to the suction only from the D2 as well as the fact that the D2 is much more powerful at 2100 watts. Strange that... | ||
| Post# 266950 , Reply# 130 2/10/2014 at 11:59 (3,726 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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I usually get 3 to 4 months out of my Felix Bags depending how often I use it sometimes daily or every other day along with my Miele S7 that I use! Dog hair is the main contents!! I've make a note of how long the bags last on both machines just to see how long the bags are in the machine. Mainly it was to prove a point to myself how many bags I've use over the period of owning the machine to add to the initial cost of the vacuum to actual prove owing a bag vacuum cost not much more than a bagless in answer to Dyson marketing!! When not if you own a SEBO anyway.
That's what I like about SEBO the dust and dirt compacts into the bag so it's like a brick when is full. The one in my Felix is nearly full (first use of the synthetic bags) and it's like a brick! My Miele bags last about 3 months too although bigger than the Felix bags they do compact but not as much as the Felix bags only slightly....! | ||
| Post# 266966 , Reply# 131 2/10/2014 at 12:56 (3,726 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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| Post# 266972 , Reply# 132 2/10/2014 at 13:17 (3,726 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 266975 , Reply# 133 2/10/2014 at 13:29 (3,726 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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New carpet by any chance. Kirby? | ||
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Post# 266982 , Reply# 134 2/10/2014 at 14:32 (3,726 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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| Post# 267006 , Reply# 135 2/10/2014 at 16:32 (3,726 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 267017 , Reply# 136 2/10/2014 at 16:50 (3,726 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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| Post# 267068 , Reply# 137 2/10/2014 at 19:48 (3,726 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 267126 , Reply# 138 2/11/2014 at 09:57 (3,725 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Good videos Alex - but the Hoover does that have that activator brush roller which the SEBO doesn't - and secondly there's always going to be damage incurred because of the activator "beater" tufts. Oh yes the TP will definitely beat the carpet harder than any SEBO, but what damage is it doing? Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't happening and on hard floors, agitator and beater bars are just NOT advised.
At least the SEBO can clean BOTH coverings with little damage. | ||
| Post# 267127 , Reply# 139 2/11/2014 at 10:05 (3,725 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Indeed but compromises have to be made. I think you are right about the pads getting a bit chewed which could or can damage the carpet, I personally haven't found that an issue but I am not saying it wouldn't happen.
Now I disagree that the x series should clean hard floors. It scrapes and scrawps across our slate tile kitchen floor, for hard floor purposes I think a cylinder is always required, you will just get a MUCH better result and that goes for any upright. | ||
| Post# 267461 , Reply# 140 2/13/2014 at 12:46 (3,723 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, in the early 90s when SEBO started selling the X, they did provide the solution of attaching the extension hose with an additional extension tube on with their standard "wall brush" floor head for hard floor cleaning. Its what I did in the early days when living in flats with laminate flooring in the kitchen and bathroom where hard floor existed. It isn't a compact solution but it does make an extra versatile use of the attachments and the X series model.
For those with the opposite - more hard floors and less carpet - the SEBO Felix should suffice if sticking to that brand. Or if you must stick with HOOVER, consider the new upright vac from the company, "another" exclusive from Argos known as the Totality. Mains corded stick vac with a steam function. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK 
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| Post# 269806 , Reply# 141 3/1/2014 at 07:50 (3,707 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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SEBO Felix Full Bag
Although not really related to this thread although it is SEBO related I thought I would just show a picture of the Felix synthetic bag full in addition to the X Series bag picture Turbo500 posted in this thread.
This is a picture of my first synthetic bag I've used in my Felix which is like a brick, solid and compact with dust, dirt and pet hair. It's been in the machine for 5 months which is longer than the paper version (on average for me would be 3 months) I've always used and these synthetic bags seem to compress the dust and dirt more too, so they last longer too. I'm impressed with them and there is no dust that is collecting inside of the bag chamber either, they seem to me to filter better too. One more thing I noticed there is no significant drop in performance either as the bag fills with the synthetic I did notice slightly with the paper ones. With this bag it just seemed to carry on picking up which is why it is so full (I did check the bag every few weeks towards the end to check all was ok). Be interesting to see how the new synthetic bags for the X Series perform too. I so don't miss my bagless vacuums! 
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