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Post# 265191   1/29/2014 at 12:39 (3,710 days old) by hooverman2121 (Albany, NY)        

Today's my day off from work so I went to Target today to get more laundry detergent and a bunch of other cleaning supplies for the apartment.

As usual, had to stop by the vacuum cleaner aisle just to see what they had. As usual, all were cheap brands but I still looked around anyway. Put attachments back in their places, and fixed wands, etc. that were installed the wrong way. I got a few weird looks from the employees and one lady who was looking at some Dirt Devil, but I didn't care.

Took some pics, I apologize for the quality as I rushed taking the pics from my cell phone.

Had some extra money and ended up buying a Hoover WindTunnel Air Canister just to see how well it cleans. My partner is going to kill me when he gets back from the law school tonight as we already have twelve vacuum cleaners here, but he can deal with it! At least the rest of my collection is still at my mom's place.

On another note, my mother bought my Miele S8 Marin with the upgraded SEB236 and her housekeeper loves it.


Post# 265192 , Reply# 1   1/29/2014 at 12:40 (3,710 days old) by hooverman2121 (Albany, NY)        

Another pic.

Post# 265193 , Reply# 2   1/29/2014 at 12:41 (3,710 days old) by hooverman2121 (Albany, NY)        

All this plastic is rather depressing...

Post# 265194 , Reply# 3   1/29/2014 at 12:41 (3,710 days old) by hooverman2121 (Albany, NY)        

Last one.

Post# 265195 , Reply# 4   1/29/2014 at 12:55 (3,710 days old) by hooverman2121 (Albany, NY)        

WindTunnel Air Bagless Canister SH40070

Review will come soon!


Post# 265197 , Reply# 5   1/29/2014 at 13:46 (3,710 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)        
OCD

The 2nd photograph, the vacuum 2nd from the right, could you go back and wind the cord up for me please, it's driving me insane.

Post# 265198 , Reply# 6   1/29/2014 at 13:49 (3,710 days old) by hooverman2121 (Albany, NY)        

Haha, I took all these pics before I started doing everything! Don't worry, they're all put back together!

Post# 265199 , Reply# 7   1/29/2014 at 13:54 (3,710 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Honestly

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did you think Big box stores would be selling metal vacuums ?

Dan


Post# 265200 , Reply# 8   1/29/2014 at 13:58 (3,710 days old) by hooverman2121 (Albany, NY)        

Ha, nope.

Post# 265201 , Reply# 9   1/29/2014 at 14:00 (3,710 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I do the same thing when I visit Target too, so many pulled apart , or on the wrong machine. I actually like the looks of that canister, have not tried one of course. Good luck

Post# 265203 , Reply# 10   1/29/2014 at 14:06 (3,710 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)        
Dan,

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did you pick up a Hoover Quietforce yet? See link for info.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO stricklybojack's LINK


Post# 265209 , Reply# 11   1/29/2014 at 14:34 (3,710 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Robert

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not yet if I do I will be buying it from my good friend John Gregory at sweeper central in Dunmore Pa.

I did check it out when I was there last week or there about. I am in the process of going through all 450+ of my collection and just need to sell about 400 I am tired of owning all of these machines it has gotten way outta control .

Dan


Post# 265237 , Reply# 12   1/29/2014 at 16:47 (3,710 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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With the way that cord was all tossed around, it seems maybe someone had been trying out the vacuum at some point?

At least they have a bit of variety there - they have canisters at least, which Walmart here does not. But then, Walmart has one bagged upright - the Bissell Powerforce, whereas it appears Target has none.


Post# 265326 , Reply# 13   1/30/2014 at 04:38 (3,710 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Grand majority of those "plasticrap" machines-good for TRASH TRUCK food-crunchy treats-the trucks are licking their hoppers in anticipation!Few month to a year or so-those pretty plastivacs will be dusty,smelly,dirty,and broken,waiting on the curb for....

Post# 265361 , Reply# 14   1/30/2014 at 10:42 (3,709 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The more things change, the more they stay the same. I remember when the Regina Housekeeper was launched. We said the same thing about them being 'crap'. When the Hoover Elite was launched, we HATED that plastic hunk of junk. When the Dirt Devil (used type C bags) was launched, we bemoaned the horribleness of the plastic junk machine. Now, there's young people who actually are collecting them. In twenty years, some little kid is going to say "ooooh, I WANT a Bissell Lift Off so bad". Look at what happened with Fantoms. We all cried "plastic junk" when we saw them (and they were new). Now there are people selling them for over a thousand dollars on eBay. Who knew?

Post# 265417 , Reply# 15   1/30/2014 at 15:40 (3,709 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)        
The thing to consider Dysonman is this:

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You list bottom line machines, or in the case of Fantom, a company who sold far more low end machines than the far more useful Thunder model.
As i heard an engineer say about bridges, "most any engineer can design a bridge on paper, but designing a bridge that can actually be built in the real world on a limited budget, well that's an art." I respect lots of plastic vacs given the many constraints they where designed under, most notably cost and marketability considerations. That said gratuitous use of clear or weak plastic (mostly for planned obsolescence purposes) does grate and i will only spend about $5-$10 each max on only a select few of such machines, like the WindTunnel 2.
The basic clean air Panasonic/ Tacony etc. (see pic) to me is perfect for mid pile & shorter carpet and checks in at a very affordable price point, i prfer the ones with some metal, but all metal would be far too heavy, too costly, and not really better in any way except extreme longevity. The 8lb vacs are also marvels for their intended purpose. The Windsor/Sebo commercial vacs & Lindhaus are also great and necessarily mostly plastic. I have also seen carpet cleaning companies using the Amway Dyson machine, i imagine because it works well for what they need.

Hooveman, i probably would have chosen the same vac from what i see in the pics, looking forward to your thoughts on it.




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Post# 265435 , Reply# 16   1/30/2014 at 17:20 (3,709 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)        
Agree with Robert

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While I don't have a lot of interest in the current bulky, bagless vacuums, some plastic vacuums I do have an interest in. Most any Panasonics are well made machines, especially the basic ones like in photo above. And a plastic vacuum can do a good job.

So I do say some plastic vacuums aren't that bad, and especially the first ones to introduce a feature are fascinating in my opinion. Such as early Elite II, Dyson DC01, early Fantom, Bissell Lift Off, etc. Those are machines I don't mind having, if for no reason than their uniqueness.


Post# 265444 , Reply# 17   1/30/2014 at 17:48 (3,709 days old) by man114 (Buffalo NY)        

The Thunder was Fantom's best vacuum properly cared for it will hold up and that has been proven, 11 amp ones are pushing 20 years old. The canister portion of the Lightning was decently built the powerhead had issues, but it is not hard to find the working canister. The body of the Fury is decent quality plastic, but the motor got clogged up as it was not as efficient as the Thunder at separating dirt. I don't really care for the build of the Cyclone XT. The Crosswinds were the same as the Fury and Cyclone XT with different dust bins. The Wildcat was completely different in design, but it's weakest part seems to be the handle. The brush roller gets clogged easily as it is so narrow, but it seems like decent quality plastic.

I think deriding plastic as a material is not the issue but the quality of it. I don't see many Rainbow vacs with issues due to plastic being used. The Fantom Thunder weighs nearly 30lbs, you could almost hit it with a hammer. Now compare this to the Eureka Airspeed One, it weighs less in the box than the canister portion of the Rainbow. Sure it is nice to have a light vac but the build is terrible. In regular use in my house it may last a year.

Yet what is said here is correct. Someone, 20 years from now will decide they want an Airspeed One because they thought it looked cool when they were a kid, there will be a handful left commanding premium prices.

I don't know what the Fantom attraction always was and people still want them 13 years after they closed up. EuroPro still holds the design, most if not all the patents should be up, they should just clone them in China and make everyone happy. I would gladly buy a new Thunder if they chose to do it.

I always liked them, they were easy to work on once you got used to them. The Thunder almost always is a check for clogs, clean the brushroller, replace the belt and plug it in to work. The only Thunders I could never get working were both garbage picked and missing enough parts to make it cost ineffective to try and piece them together.


Post# 266209 , Reply# 18   2/4/2014 at 20:58 (3,704 days old) by DC (Arizona, USA)        

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I remember when I needed a new vacuum when my Hoover Powerdrive went out. I Looked for a new vacuum at a store for the first time since the 90's, and just can't believe how much the quality has diminished since (compared to my old Hoover)! Next, I read reviews to see if people liked them, and left and right I come across reviewers who have constant problems with belts going bad in MINUTES TO WEEKS, parts breaking off, motors failing in months, melting beater bar end caps, and all that other nonsense! Instead, I looked at premium vacs and got a Miele S7 instead for their good reliability, cleaning prowess, and amazing air filtration. I had not yet have a problem with it for over a year. Yeah it's plastic, but it's MUCH tougher with its thicker plastic and metal bottom and read nothing but happy reviews. Sad to see how flimsy and unreliable most new vacs are. And by the way, my old DIRT DEVIL Featherlite from back in Dirt Devil's heyday is more sturdy than these cheap vacs!

Post# 266226 , Reply# 19   2/4/2014 at 23:23 (3,704 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
Dave, that's funny!!

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I reassemble turbo nozzles in big box stores and put their attachments back on the right machines sometimes!!

Everything these days is planned obsolescence not just vacuum cleaners but also washing machines, refrigerators, carpets, etc. Manufacturers depend on machinery to break down so that they have residual business again in about 5 years when the equipment breaks. Additionally there is the price point side. Much of which is Wal-Mart. WalMart wants a product to sell at a certain price point and scavenges out a manufacturer that will do that for them. Pretty soon that machine becomes so popular due its low price that other manufacturers follow suit so that they have a high volume seller!!


Post# 266330 , Reply# 20   2/5/2014 at 18:01 (3,703 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
No more Plastivacs for me!

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I'm so happy with the refurbishd Kirby Sentria I bought on ebay back in October 2013 when my Dirt Devil died.

It looks and runs like Brand New and I can not believe how much dirt the Dirt Devil left behind. I shampooed my carpet with the Kirby shampoo attachment which came with my machine and my 5 year old carpet looks brand new also. This is by far the best vacuum I've ever owned. 


Post# 266331 , Reply# 21   2/5/2014 at 18:21 (3,703 days old) by tig21er (Indiana)        
Hoover SH 40070

has some cost issues . Machine may sell for $299.00 but to replace hose $152 and circuit board in Power head another $60.00. W hat do you think?

Post# 266334 , Reply# 22   2/5/2014 at 18:38 (3,703 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

I'll stick to my old Electrolux or Compact/TriStar instead of "plastivacs"

Post# 266344 , Reply# 23   2/5/2014 at 19:22 (3,703 days old) by hooverman2121 (Albany, NY)        

Yeah... returned that Hoover. Bought an Aerus Platinum so I've been playing around with that for the past day or so, but that's another thread for another time!

Post# 266352 , Reply# 24   2/5/2014 at 20:30 (3,703 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)        
Bought it and returned it...

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already; well fits with my experience at the auction being swamped with mass market store return vacs.
What happened?


Post# 266353 , Reply# 25   2/5/2014 at 20:40 (3,703 days old) by hooverman2121 (Albany, NY)        

I didn't buy it with keeping it in mind, haven't been a fan of bagless vacs but I figured I'd try out a bagless canister just to see what the fuss was all about. Plus, overall construction was cheap (what a surprise), and ergonomics were pretty much nonexistent. It had one of those stupid 3-in-1 tools which was virtually useless and both motors had whiny, unpleasant sounds when used, especially the power nozzle.

It did clean relatively well for its size but overall it didn't set my heart on fire. I'm sticking to my local dealers here, the extra price is worth it!


Post# 266356 , Reply# 26   2/5/2014 at 21:03 (3,703 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
More Target Plastivacs

Hooverman2121,
Thanks for posting the picture of your new Aerus Platinum. I really like the looks and the shape of the hose handle. It makes the Hoover Plastic vac look pretty sad and cheap.
In your picture it looks like your wands and power nozzle match in color. Some of the pictures I have seen of the Aerus look like they were different colors.
Thanks for posting the picture.


Post# 266357 , Reply# 27   2/5/2014 at 21:13 (3,703 days old) by hooverman2121 (Albany, NY)        

WilliamR1248, the wands and power nozzle are the same color on my machine, both are black, the crappy cell phone pic doesn't help!

Post# 266560 , Reply# 28   2/7/2014 at 09:40 (3,701 days old) by electrikbroomgu (Rome, NY)        
Aerus Platinum

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Looking forward to your thoughts on the new Lux. I just saw one in the window at our dealer in Whitestown, NY while waiting to do my taxes but they were closed so I couldn't try it out.

Post# 318555 , Reply# 29   3/17/2015 at 00:30 (3,299 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

I dont like that Wal-Mart & Target tie down the vacuums! How can people know what they buy? Just let the vac fall off the shelf is better than having it tied down; who cares if it falls on someone?

Post# 318641 , Reply# 30   3/17/2015 at 21:22 (3,298 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan )        

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Their company lawyers care.

Post# 318729 , Reply# 31   3/19/2015 at 02:01 (3,297 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Fantom's are selling on Ebay for 1000 $??

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Whhyyy??? I had a Fantom Fury in the late 90s and I hated it with a red hot passion. Perhaps there's something I'm missing about the desire for them to command such a high price now?

Post# 328001 , Reply# 32   6/25/2015 at 13:08 (3,198 days old) by vacmaster (San Diego)        
im just asking...

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DID ANNYONE ELSE NOTICE THERE IS NOT ONE BAGGED VACUUM IN THE DISPLAY PHOTOS??? MAYBE CARY AT LEAST A BAGGED WINDTUNNEL S/P OR SOMEHTING LIKE THAT!

Post# 328035 , Reply# 33   6/25/2015 at 19:50 (3,198 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Sad, but I think what Most People Think they WANT.

Post# 328051 , Reply# 34   6/25/2015 at 23:48 (3,198 days old) by vacmaster (San Diego)        

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Is the new shark powered lift away!!! Out cleans your vacuum..... not any tacony vacuum. Its rather sad not to see a single bagged vacuum, do you agree @suxolux

Post# 328058 , Reply# 35   6/26/2015 at 03:59 (3,198 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Well,the bagless Plastivacs are FOOD for the hungry trash trucks out there that like crunchy plastic--YUM-YUM!Remember-built in China-buried in the US!!

Post# 328076 , Reply# 36   6/26/2015 at 10:43 (3,197 days old) by vacmaster (San Diego)        

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Its like trash truck chips!:) Dirt devils are doritos because they are red.... (u continue tolivac)

Post# 328151 , Reply# 37   6/26/2015 at 18:14 (3,197 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        

It is a sad sight seeing what's out there in the retail stores. Uneducated consumers buy on impulse, and have no idea of the quality that they'll get. We live in a throw away society now, buy it, use it for a couple of years and if it breaks, throw it out and get a new one. Friends of mine who own a successful vac shop tell me that many of the new ones break before they're out of warranty, and the manufacturer doesn't even have parts for them, so they just send them a new cleaner. Without naming brands, let's just say they're from overseas! Oh well...and the band played on!

Post# 328173 , Reply# 38   6/27/2015 at 01:50 (3,197 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Dyson guys will hate me---Dyson Dumpster.When I was taking my trash to the dump-spotted a few Dysons in the electrical-electronics dumpster.Shark vacuums eaten by the Kuka "Shark" trash truck-would love to see this!!Kukas are common in Europe and other areas.They have a large rotating drum inside their bodies.The tailgate has an Auger in it-Kinda like an auger compactor-but the body turns!Also these trucks-copies of them are becoming common in Japan.they are fast-the compactor works continously.No waiting for pack cycles as on American trash trucks.the Japanese like to bag their trash as we are doing-the bags make such delightful POPS when run thru the rotary compactor!To empty the rotary compaction trucks-lift the tailgate and reverse the drum rotation-out goes the trash!These types of trucks are neat to watch.Lots of them on YouTube.Sorry from the drift of vacuums-I like trash trucks as well as vacuums-BOTH clean up our messes!

Post# 328180 , Reply# 39   6/27/2015 at 08:19 (3,196 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I HATE YOU
Jk :P it's your opinion :)



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