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Post# 263693   1/17/2014 at 13:00 (3,723 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Everybody look at New Dyson DC 54 has just been released In the United Kingdom At £450 is expensive the the price will probably go down in a year or so It looks like a pretty good vacuum I'll probably sell my Dyson DC 39 to get this As soon it becomes cheaper They do two models in England they do the animal and multifloor It definitely looks amazing Fantastic technology .What do you think of it???
































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Post# 263700 , Reply# 1   1/17/2014 at 14:05 (3,723 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )        
I may buy one

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but in a few years as I want to know if the filterless system actually works

Post# 263707 , Reply# 2   1/17/2014 at 14:23 (3,723 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

As I expected - its more expensive than ever before. Dyson must be getting poor, that he needs to charge that much for a vacuum cleaner. They will be costing as much as a Kirby before long.

 

£460!! Staggering! - that's nearly half a grand - for a cheap far eastern made plastivac! Needless to say - I wont be buying one lol.

 

Definitely one for those who have more money than sense!




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Post# 263709 , Reply# 3   1/17/2014 at 14:28 (3,723 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I am loving my one so much,

Post# 263726 , Reply# 4   1/17/2014 at 16:06 (3,723 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

OO I would love to get a cheap one in 10 years time and use it for PLASTER DUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bagless henry with the ugly looks


Post# 263728 , Reply# 5   1/17/2014 at 16:21 (3,723 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Now in Currys - £460 but they are out of stock, surprise surprise



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Post# 263737 , Reply# 6   1/17/2014 at 16:47 (3,722 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Does look cool, but I'll wait for it to be £13.56 worth of winning bid on ebay to have a play!

Or go to currys/john lewis and have a play...


Post# 263781 , Reply# 7   1/17/2014 at 20:15 (3,722 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
More CYCLONES!

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Great Scott, the INNOVATION! So creative! Why not 75? even 100! Soon enough we'll be having 709 Cyclone Dyson central vacuums! Half a grand, Couldn't agree much more, MadaboutHoovers, I could have a Kirby rebuilt with such money, And still save money!


Post# 263792 , Reply# 8   1/17/2014 at 21:03 (3,722 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

SuperSweeper - £460 is $755 in US money. I must say that in the US, your vacs are more expensive, and you do seem to have many vacs there that are over $1000, such as Rainbows,  Power nozzle Miele's and Riccars.

When the US gets their version of the cinetic DC54, I bet it will be well over 750 bucks!

 

£460 is VERY expensive in the UK for a domestic vac and only Kirbys are more expensive. A Kirby in the UK will cost anywhere from £1000 - £2500 New (that's $1600 - $4000)


Post# 263815 , Reply# 9   1/17/2014 at 23:34 (3,722 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
Yes,

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Make that 2 Rebuilt Kirbici Laughing


Post# 263826 , Reply# 10   1/18/2014 at 02:49 (3,722 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Dyson vacuums used for cleaning plaster dust--ARE A MESS to clean out and empty-the dust clings to the cyclones in the cyclone filter-and the pad filters clog quickly-Dyson even recommends that you DON'T use their machines to pick up plaster and drywall debris.Use a Shop Vac or other similar machine with the fine debris filter bags-much easier and cleaner!!The cyclone filter on that 54-looks something-but it could clog or get nasty depending on what you pick up-hope it can be removed for washing!

Post# 263832 , Reply# 11   1/18/2014 at 03:08 (3,722 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Now also available for £460 in Agro-s:



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Post# 263855 , Reply# 12   1/18/2014 at 10:46 (3,722 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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You know, $750 dollars for a Dyson that never requires filter maint. is not that much. We have far more expensive vacuums (the $1500 Riccar Radiance Premium comes to mind) that can be purchased in retail stores. Heck, the Miele Unique is $1500. $750 is not a lot of money. I'll be buying one as soon as they come here. BUT, it BETTER have an electric power nozzle for the U.S. market.

Post# 263865 , Reply# 13   1/18/2014 at 11:33 (3,722 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )        
BUT, it BETTER have an electric power nozzle

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but why the current cleaner head provided seems to do a good job, and hasn't James sent you one yet?

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Post# 263875 , Reply# 14   1/18/2014 at 12:05 (3,722 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

£450 for a cleaner which has wobbly plastic tubes. Do I need to add to this?

Post# 263878 , Reply# 15   1/18/2014 at 12:10 (3,722 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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If I was going to spend that much money I'd get Miele's S4 Hybrid.

Post# 263889 , Reply# 16   1/18/2014 at 12:49 (3,722 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

That video of it being kicked downstairs is interesting. Who is going to be doing that to it under normal circumstances? I'd much prefer to see a video of someone vacuuming with it and see how they get on.

Post# 263924 , Reply# 17   1/18/2014 at 15:14 (3,722 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Post# 263957 , Reply# 18   1/18/2014 at 17:25 (3,721 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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By the looks of that video the turbo brush head on the Dyson does leave some dirt behind. I'm puzzled as to what this vacuum can do better than my castor fitted Miele. I'd love it if Dyson could incorporate all that tech with a noise free element.

Post# 263966 , Reply# 19   1/18/2014 at 17:42 (3,721 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Yeah it look like it missed on the Rice did quite well With the powder. I would change the Extension Wand And I wish they would make it Quiet.

Post# 263974 , Reply# 20   1/18/2014 at 18:01 (3,721 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I note that after it had been kicked down the stairs 3 times, they didn't see if it still worked afterwards.

Also, if the DC07 was anything to go by, when its a few years old and the plastic has gone brittle - I'd like to see how well it survives that fall then - without the plastic shattering.

Whilst the technology looks good, and I'd like to try one out - the price is just far too high.

 

Some of the Americans have said that £460 in their money is not a lot - well I can assure you in the US that it IS a lot in the UK, where we are deep in the grip of austerity under a vile Conservative Government. Thanks to our Government, more and more employers here are only paying minimum wage now of £6.31 ($10.35) an hour. Rents are on average £700 ($1150) a month. Gasoline costs £6 ($10) a gallon and utilities are astronomically expensive.  Most people here just cannot justify paying this much for a vac, and many wont pay more than £100. People in the UK, unless they are the rich, simply don't have this much money to blow on the latest Dyson that will be yesterday's news in a year or so's time when the newer, better DC whatever comes out, costing even more, with even more cyclones.


Post# 263976 , Reply# 21   1/18/2014 at 18:06 (3,721 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

The thing which stood out to me was that for all the R&D which they claim goes into the Dyson appliances, their cylinder vacuum cleaners STILL have the blooming small tools clipped to the tubes of the cleaner. Am I alone in finding this a very impractical way of storing the tools (I find they fall off and get in the way of furniture when cleaning is taking place)?

Granted that in a world where everyone else is doing the same I would be the first to argue that Dyson does not have to 'better' this arrangement in order to win the sales, but for the huge retail price these cleaners are commanding, I find it most uncouth & disempowering. Why not a space on the cleaner?

I will confess that I never found the 2-way dusting tool stored on wand of Electrolux cleaners to be particularly useful, as it added extra bulk and weight, but I did think it was practical, with the location well thought out and the design elegant & not at all cheap looking. Contrast this to what Dyson are doing and it never ceases to amaze me how much thought goes into making the cleaner as ugly -sorry, stylish- as possible, yet those cheap tools are shoved on to anywhere they will fit, like some terrible afterthought.


Post# 263977 , Reply# 22   1/18/2014 at 18:19 (3,721 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

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Post# 263979 , Reply# 23   1/18/2014 at 18:26 (3,721 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

What Benny says is true - the tools are always tacked on as an afterthought - like some excess baggage. People value these tools, especially the dusting brush and crevice tool, and I find it annoying when they are stored on the hose or wand, where they get knocked off all the while. The Miele S6 series is bad for this as well.

The best design is on the S8 series where they store under a lid on the main unit, and the S8 is half the price of the DC54.

I don't like plastic poles either after trying the DC19 T2, I wasn't impressed with how they flexed when any pressure was put on the floorhead.

I wonder how long it will take for someone to clog one of these vacs up - by say, vacuuming up some damp dust?

The fact that there is no fail safe filter before the motor is asking for trouble if the cyclones DO clog with damp dust, or for some other reason that wasn't "tested" for in the labs.

 

I can also predict that the upright version of the cinetic - the replacement for the DC41, when it comes, may well breach the £500 barrier, and that will be a milestone reached here in the UK for a plastic vac.


Post# 263983 , Reply# 24   1/18/2014 at 18:39 (3,721 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

It may well reach £500 but you will still get people paying that, sadly.

Post# 263984 , Reply# 25   1/18/2014 at 18:44 (3,721 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I have been doing some searching.

Looking at prices here: www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...

and using this website here: www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills...

it is interesting to see that in 1969 a Hoover 1354 Junior would have cost about £450 in today's money, with the Senior and Convertible well over £600. That is a lot! But after this, prices have continued to drop. Even when the Dyson went on sale in 1993, it was way under £400 in today's money. So this new Dyson DC54 certainly is VERY expensive, and as mentioned, virtually all plastic.

The tools of this new Dyson are not a patch on those which Dyson produced for a good deal of years. My mother had a number of spare dusting brushes which she kept separate for different tasks (her attention to detail prevented her from using any tools on furniture which had been used on floors, and indeed she even had one which she used solely for vacuuming the kitchen surfaces, cupboards, and bread bin), and let me tell you she would not be at all impressed with a fiddly little square of bristles which snapped onto the end of a crevice tool. Nor would she part with her hard earned money for a cleaner which sported such an arrangement.


Post# 263991 , Reply# 26   1/18/2014 at 19:07 (3,721 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The tools that came on the DC04/07/14 were OK and the dusting brush was good too. I prefer the separate tools and particularly the turbo brushes that are good for pet hair on furniture.

Dyson only seems to be for the rich boys now, and those techno geeks who have plenty of money for the latest "toys" - and that's what the DC54 is - a big boys toy. I would be interested to see how many buyers and users of this vac are women, as many women would be happy with a £60 Vax or £100 Henry these days.


Post# 263997 , Reply# 27   1/18/2014 at 19:20 (3,721 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        
Women

The difference between a man and a woman is that although both are attracted to something new and stylish, when it comes to practical goods, a woman will give up on all the bells and whistles much more quickly as they will simply want to carry out a task and get it over & done with. This is unlike a man, for whom everything he handles has to be able to turn him back into the ten-year-old child he once was.

I lost count of the number of reconditioned Hoover Juniors and Henrys I managed to sell to women who brought in the most elaborate, expensive, and yet problematic, vacuum cleaners for repair. For these women, the novelty of the lights and the features had long worn off when all they were left with was a faulty cleaner which was not capable of carrying out it's most basic core purpose. In my own opinion, based on what I know of women past, they will not be attracted to the features of this new Dyson when they take into account the price of the machine.

However, I must point out I said "women past". I would like to bet that a whole new generation of young lady is (and excuse the pun) likely to get sucked-in to the "technology" which Dyson is turning out.


Post# 264001 , Reply# 28   1/18/2014 at 19:32 (3,721 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

You are indeed right - my mother (who's 68) is not in the slightest interested in new fangled technology - as long as it turns on and cleans the carpet, then that's all she wants it to do. To most women, vacuuming is a chore, and one that they don't particularly relish doing, so a vacuum cleaner is often only brought out when its really needed, and to perform a menial chore. How many sensible and prudent women would want to spend nearly £500 on an object that essentially carries out a boring chore?

Women as I say, will be happy with a 60quid Vax upright as long as it does the vacuuming. End of story.

I'm sure most young women would have things higher up the desirability scale than a vacuum to spend their hard earned dough on - such as food and shelter.

 

Women are more likely to buy a Dyson DC54 for their boyfriends or hubbys to use. Without any doubt at all, the DC54 is a man's appliance, and those salesmen in Currys will be more likely to demo them to men (With fat wallets) than to women.


Post# 264004 , Reply# 29   1/18/2014 at 19:58 (3,721 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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I'm excited to see that this technology at least exists. Dyson has been misleading the public for almost 20 years now touting their design never looses suction, when in fact it does since the pre-motor filter clogs fairly easily. Now that issue is out of the equation, and they have a product worth selling. My one concern are those flexible cyclones. If any sort of moisture gets inside them, all the dust will turn to mud, preventing any oscillation and clogging the entire system. 


Post# 264031 , Reply# 30   1/19/2014 at 04:14 (3,721 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

vintagerepairer, you are spot on.

One Vacuum I don't get is the Miele S8 UniQ. It costs £480 but as far as I can see it has a Spotlight handle, an illuminated Parking System (which I see no need for), a Silence Setting (there are quite a few vacuums that are silent you can buy cheaper), there is also a Velvet Finishing (but I doubt many would notice) & there Automatic Power Controls.

For £480 you don't get any additional floor heads, or tools, just in my opinion a Vacuum that does cost a fair bit than what it should do. Considering the second cheapest Miele on John Lewis is the Miele S8330 for £289.95 & that includes a Turbo Nozzle, Parquet Head & some features like the UniQ such as the Silence Setting.





Post# 264065 , Reply# 31   1/19/2014 at 09:12 (3,721 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well lets face it, with most of Essex people with their bling, the S8 UniQ is fit for people who like to splash out money on the highest model available.

The S8 UniQ isn't your every day run of the mill vacuum cleaner designed for the masses. How can one spend that much for a suction only vacuum cleaner? Well people are prepared to pay - in the same way they are prepared to pay more for a premium brand any way.

The same kind of thought has for many years, given the average buyer the question of how the SEBO X is so expensive when it uses bags. They don't realise what that vacuum cleaner does in terms of its actual usage and cleaning performance.




Post# 264073 , Reply# 32   1/19/2014 at 10:34 (3,721 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

I don't see the point myself, a Vacuum Cleaner is an appliance to clean your home, it's not a fashion accessory.

Post# 264093 , Reply# 33   1/19/2014 at 14:22 (3,721 days old) by keiththomas (Northumberland, England)        

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My View a total Rip off and Dyson is becoming complacent. This could be the beginning of the end. Just the same ideas but paying through the noise. After all TVs Etc go down with prices oh but not Dyson. The most I ll spend is £150.00

Post# 264119 , Reply# 34   1/19/2014 at 16:54 (3,720 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Post# 264126 , Reply# 35   1/19/2014 at 17:06 (3,720 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Even still £351 is a LOT of money.

Post# 264151 , Reply# 36   1/19/2014 at 17:46 (3,720 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Ah, so knocking £100 "off" already, a clever little marketing ploy to get you to dash out and buy one. Except they never keep any in stock and you have to wait while they get one in from Dyson - AFTER you have paid online for it.

Total con.


Post# 264156 , Reply# 37   1/19/2014 at 17:58 (3,720 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well in all of this, what confuses me most is when so very many Dyson owners never cleaned the filters at all, and by that I mean ever, I have to question who the target consumer is for this new self-cleaning filter model? If anything, people who don't maintain the filters and do keep using the cleaner until it sucks no more were, as I saw it, great news for Dyson, as these people would then go and buy a new cleaner.

Post# 264167 , Reply# 38   1/19/2014 at 18:58 (3,720 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The target audience that perhaps Dyson is trying to pull in are those who feel that cleaning filters is preventing them from buying a Dyson again or new customers who have had to clean filters all the time to prolong the power - pity the prices can't be lowered because I feel that's the area Dyson is simply missing the point from producing.

In my opinion and experience, it doesn't matter that Dyson may well eliminate the need to clean filters - the shroud is still too thin where pet hair will still get stuck up the sides.

That last video in French shows the lady putting her hand into the centre of the filter which is pretty big but what about the thin sides where dust is likely to get clogged? Until Dyson makes a secondary mechanism that physically scrapes the top shrouds where the sides are concerned, thus pushing the dust or scraping off the thin sides to push down into the rest of the dirt at the bottom of the bin, you'll still be inclined to dip your hand into the bin area to remove dust, manually.

Though paper pleated based, the Morphy Richards Endurance bagless vac has an ingenious turn dial scraper that literally scrapes dust off the inner shroud. It doesn't make it completely clean though but at least the bits you'd be inclined to pick off has been scraped off and allowed to fall down. Bosch also have a similar mechanism but Im not sure if it is offered on their latest bagless cylinder vacs..

In short, whilst a self cleaning filter is all very well, its about time Dyson moved on with answering other concerns that the existing dust bin design points to.


Post# 264250 , Reply# 39   1/20/2014 at 14:42 (3,720 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
"Cinetic" cyclone tips.

I wonder how long it will take for the cyclones' rubbery tips to split, tear, develop snags, etc.

Then the problems begin.

Oh, and I notice that the Dyson Digital Motor has not made it to the DC54. I wonder what happened there?

As others have mentioned... the price! Which planet are Dyson living on? Nobody I know would even consider spending that amount.


Post# 264253 , Reply# 40   1/20/2014 at 14:54 (3,720 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        

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Dyson cyclones are already very efficient the filters in mine stay very clean for a long time so it's hardly a laborious chore as it is! That said in a few years when they are reduced and better tested I might get one but never at that RRP! I suppose we will see a new version with the digital motor in the future maybe even more expensive than this!


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