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Post# 262802   1/11/2014 at 13:06 (3,757 days old) by Adamthemieleman (North Yorkshire )        

Another day at work, and a lady from Dyson turns up to our demonstrator with a trolley with a Dyson box.

What is in this box you may ask?

I spotted it almost straightaway, it was a brand new shiny DC54 Cinetic.

I got to have a play with it, very impressed, it is indeed a sexy looking machine, the shroud is 20 micron stainless steel, with all 52 of its cyclones spread on two tiers.
Similar to a DC39, the grey button ejects it, but rather than a filter, it's open, so you can see the oscillating tips at which do all the work.

Lovely machine, has a redesigned floor head, with a sculptured brush roll which aids with vibrating the carpet, it features the nylon bristles and the carbon fibres, like the ones on the DC50 and cordless.

It picks up extremely well, with our test of flour and oats. It's quiet too, but most of the specs are the same as the dc39, such as weight, wattage and Ball movement

We will be stocking the dc54 animal complete and multifloor, we have a rep training us more next week, and the machines are officially launched at the end of the month, I cannot wait


Post# 262804 , Reply# 1   1/11/2014 at 13:12 (3,757 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        
And with all this new "Technology"

...is there any kind of customer training which shows how to make best use of a vacuum cleaner as part of regular home-maintenance schedule? I doubt it. That would be too 1950's for Dyson to consider. As we know, if it occurred in the past, it MUST have been bad and it MUST be forgotten.

Post# 262811 , Reply# 2   1/11/2014 at 13:40 (3,757 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

And I have no doubt that all this blinding new "technology" will come with a blindingly expensive price tag as well!

And the sheeple will all flock out to pay it and make Mr Dyson even richer - all in the name of getting one up on the neighbours.

 


Post# 262824 , Reply# 3   1/11/2014 at 14:41 (3,757 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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I cannot wait

Post# 262828 , Reply# 4   1/11/2014 at 15:03 (3,757 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I love it very nice machine

Post# 262830 , Reply# 5   1/11/2014 at 15:28 (3,756 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Why do these machines have sooooo many cyclones? I'm sure 2 did the job fine!

Post# 262842 , Reply# 6   1/11/2014 at 16:14 (3,756 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Its a bit like the Hoover Purepower constantly having more and more Watts of power - more means better to the consumer.

I would have thought that Dyson applies the same thought to cyclones - the more the better in terms of getting increased sales.

I have to admit that they do look impressive - although I bet they don't give the vac any more suction power than a Purepower.


Post# 262849 , Reply# 7   1/11/2014 at 16:22 (3,756 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        
Sales

Once again I am at a loss as to why Dyson is bothering to bring so much out on sale, because as a business, he has the market cornered. The constant changing of designs is, in my eyes, nothing more than Dyson doing what Dyson enjoys doing. Nothing wrong in this of course, that is to say if everyone who works at Dyson is getting a good deal of thrills from it, but from a sales point of view I have no idea what the point is as most people interested in the latest model would have purchased a Dyson cleaner whatever it was.

The fact that other companies have kept many a design running for years and years at a time is proof that there isn't much business need to keep updating appliances. Of course, the likely truth of the matter is that computer technology is changing all the time, and Dyson wants to be seen to be in that same league. As there have been few leaps in vacuum cleaner designs now that we know what they do and what we need them for (let's face it, they are a bog-standard appliance which moves debris from A to B), Dyson are now having to invent more ideas to solve invented problems.


Post# 262851 , Reply# 8   1/11/2014 at 16:36 (3,756 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Or to justify the high asking prices Benny - I mean, if it was seen that Dyson wasn't forever releasing new technology, they might start thinking "why are we being asked to pay so much for what is essentially a Far East mass produced plastivac?"

Dyson does claim after all that the prices asked pay for all the R&D that takes place at Malmesbury. But it does seem that it is, as Benny says, R&D for R&D's sake.

In the time that Dyson has released over 50 models of vacuum cleaner, Kirby has only released 1, which as had a few facelifts along the way, but is essentially still the generation 3 launched nearly a quarter of a century ago - and what's more, the Kirby comes within the 900W power limit what will be imposed in a few years time!


Post# 262852 , Reply# 9   1/11/2014 at 16:40 (3,756 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

One other question is what do Dyson supply now to people who don't want a Ball model? I mean not everyone likes the ball uprights do they? I still think they should have a line in the more traditional wheeled vacs like an update to the DC33. He is losing sales by discontinuing wheeled vacs in favour of all ball models.


Post# 262854 , Reply# 10   1/11/2014 at 16:46 (3,756 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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The dyson is nothing likeThe wattage on the Hoover Pure power It makes the air going through the machine cleaner And makes it harder for the filter to get dirty Like compare the DC 02 against the DC 39 The filter Gets dirty quickly on the dc02 dc01 dc03 dc04 dc05 . And I've noticed in my Dyson DC 39 I've had it for about a year and The filter completely spotless So cyclones are Not there For show actually serve a really good purpose Like the DC 54 If you look at the videos It doesn't have a filter And it says the machine will Never lose suction its lifetime So if you only have two cyclones You will lose suction fairly quickly Compared to having 20 or 30 or 54 Cyclones You barely have to clean the filter And I use my Dyson DC 39 every single day And it Has never lose suction And I have never clean the filter in a a. a year.

Post# 262856 , Reply# 11   1/11/2014 at 16:48 (3,756 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

He has even discontinues the Wheeled Cylinders - quite a shame really, but when I had a DC04 briefly I found that quite clunky & hard to move around sharp corners. When seeing models of Ball Cylinders in use they seem to require a sharp pull by the user as they don't easily move about by themselves.

Post# 262860 , Reply# 12   1/11/2014 at 16:54 (3,756 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Ah, but when I was using a DC07 regularly I was surprised with how clean the pre-motor filter stayed - it only needed cleaning very rarely, and that only had 7 cyclone cones. It was a very efficient vac in my opinion, one of the best that Dyson made, but very noisy.

 


Post# 262861 , Reply# 13   1/11/2014 at 16:58 (3,756 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Many older people who have arthritis complain that the ball models are not easy to manoeuvre as they need a lot of wrist movement, and many end up on Ebay for this reason. I Used the DC15 and was impressed with it but ball technology is not for everyone. Dyson seems to be aiming his products more at the younger generation now - with older folk more apt to buy a more traditional vac with wheels, that they can control easier - especially the upright type.

Personally I cant see the point of a ball on the cylinder vac - they are no more agile really than the DC08 design with wheels.


Post# 262864 , Reply# 14   1/11/2014 at 17:05 (3,756 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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See now you getting it I don't know how many cyclones are in the Dyson DC 39 Let's say 30 As you said the DC 07 You're only have to clean them Rarely And What about the DC 39 you probably never have to clean filter until ages Because all of the cyclones .The Dyson DC 07 is really noisy In my opinion Dysons technology now is way more advanced than it was Dyson is likely Apple version of vacuum Expensive but worth it. :)

Post# 262870 , Reply# 15   1/11/2014 at 17:20 (3,756 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The issue I see with the new DC54 is the internal bin shroud - although its a nice stainless steel affair, the fact that it is 20 micron (like a sieve with very small holes)  means its become more like a bag material, and as such, over time the shroud itself will become covered with fluff and dust and get clogged up, so that no air flow can end up reaching the cyclones. The shroud has now effectively become the pre-motor filter, with the cyclones effectively catching the very fine dust that get through the shroud.

On older models like the DC07, the shroud was full of fairly large holes, and even though it got covered with fluff eventually, it still let air through.

I also note that the shroud assembly on the DC54 seems to take up most of the space in the bin, so would not take long to get clogged with fluff.

So either, you are gonna have to clean the traditional type foam filters on the older Dysons, or clean the bin shroud on the DC54 - but in any case you are still gonna have to maintain them, or they will lose suction.


Post# 262872 , Reply# 16   1/11/2014 at 17:26 (3,756 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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I do see your point The Dyson DC 54 looks like has very small capacity The DC 54 has oscillating tips on cyclone so they don't get Clogged up Have you seen that video where they show it And the DC 07 I've seen machines With the cyclones completely packed with Fluff. By the way my name is Josh You've got a very nice collection :)

Post# 262874 , Reply# 17   1/11/2014 at 17:26 (3,756 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Stuuuuuf trying to unblock and clean that in 4-5 years when you've picked one up from ebay for 20 quid, or the side of the road for free.

Whoops, what was that, £432? (Could only find $799 on dyson.au, so converted it... stand to be corrected but I doubt by much!)

I had a car for £400, it was more reliable than I expect this will be...


Post# 262878 , Reply# 18   1/11/2014 at 17:34 (3,756 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

When I used my Hoover Jazz Cylinder today, I found that halfway through I had to take the pre-motor filter out & vacuum it, something I have done before, otherwise it takes ages to suck anything up. So much for No Loss of Suction, Hoover. I am quite dissapointed by that, I have already had to replace the filters on it as they fell apart when I washed them, which at £19.99 wasn't cheap, but I mamaged to get them for half that price.

No wonder I am after a premium brand, Bosch look very tempting.

As for the Dyson, they now need to focus at what their prices should give, durability. None of their latest models have that, display models in shops have been broken very easily & demo models on local electric stores. The Dyson might have 50 odd cyclones but soon it will double that & more. Oh I do worry about the future of companies such as Dyson.


Post# 262879 , Reply# 19   1/11/2014 at 17:34 (3,756 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Hi Josh - I have seen some of your vids on Youtube - as Joshyvacboy - I often see your mum Heidi selling your old vacs on Ebay too lol

Keep up the good work on your vids, always very informative - I liked the one you did on the Hoover Dust manager and your likes and dislikes of it.


Post# 262882 , Reply# 20   1/11/2014 at 17:37 (3,756 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

You know my friend with the DC41 animal, well he no longer owns it.
He now has a DC39 multi floor, and he likes it better. He has had a Henry (non eco with 2 rocker switches I believe strongly) before the DC41
he says it has stronger suction, and I said the capacity is small.
He replied: It has a small bin but the dust shrinks or gets compacted because of the cyclone assembly
I asked how are you going to pick up the strings and threads off the carpets if you wanted spinning brushes?
He said that the floor tool has strong suction and some brushes under the tool and that gets up the threads and strings.
I think the DC04 let some hair go on the filter, and the DC14 did more too, but the new sieve shrouds are okay for acting as a sieve.


Post# 262883 , Reply# 21   1/11/2014 at 17:37 (3,756 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

HiLo - do you remember what I said about the cyclones clogging up on the Turbopower cylinder model I had - well I reckon you might have the same problem on your Jazz, as they are the same cleaner. There is a design problem with the tips of the cones - they get clogged and then all the dirt gets drawn into the pre-motor filter.


Post# 262885 , Reply# 22   1/11/2014 at 17:39 (3,756 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Ah thanks that's really nice to say. Thank you By the way on the one who actually sells them lol I might do that like an disk like thing on my AEG precision Thanks for being so nice Some people on here are A little bit offensive Thanks Josh

Post# 262886 , Reply# 23   1/11/2014 at 17:41 (3,756 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

I will have to open up the Cyclone tomorrow, easy to do, it is a shame as it is a good cleaner & works very well when the suction is able to pass through. Did you have to unscrew a section on your Turbo Power though Steve?

Post# 262889 , Reply# 24   1/11/2014 at 17:45 (3,756 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I cant remember about screws - may possibly have been some, but I dismantled the whole assembly and saw that there was only very small clearance between the tops of the cones and the housing itself, meaning the cones exits got blocked with fluff and hairs. This is a design flaw, and I ended up sawing off the tops of all the cones to give more space for them to discharge into in the dust chamber below them. Not a good vac I'm afraid and its probably why they ended up reduced to £42 in Tesco. I wasn't impressed with the suction either and the motor was very noisy.


Post# 262894 , Reply# 25   1/11/2014 at 17:55 (3,756 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

I will agree the motor is noisy, suction was good at first but then slowly started going, washed the filter, it fell to bits had to get new ones as mentioned before. It has worked a bit better since but dust is now building up on the filter again.

Bagged Vacuums all the way I say.


Post# 262898 , Reply# 26   1/11/2014 at 18:05 (3,756 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Yes Hilo - it sounds like the cyclones are clogged and all the dirt is just going straight into the pre-motor filter. Very early Dyson DC07 models suffered from this problem too. Some Vax Air3 models also seem to suffer from it - again down to the exits from the tips of the cyclones getting clogged up with fluff and hairs. All down to the design I'm afraid, and some multi-cyclonics are better than others. The original Vax Mach Air models are OK, as they have plenty of space at the exits from the cyclones, so don't clog up - but they can suffer from the rubber gaiter at the bottom of the dust tube not seating properly against the base of the bin, and this will then cause them to suck up the dirt in reverse from the base of the bin and clog the pre-motor filter.


Post# 262900 , Reply# 27   1/11/2014 at 18:10 (3,756 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

That sounds like it yes - might give it a Steam Clean aswell to get rid of the dust.

Post# 262915 , Reply# 28   1/11/2014 at 19:13 (3,756 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        
No Filter?

I am so sorry to sound so dumb but does this new Dyson have no filter at all? From what I understand there is no pre-motor filter is this correct? Now is there an after motor filter? I just can't see how there is absolutely no filter what so ever. Even if a vacuum has so many cyclones there are still minute particles in the air that would get through. Could someone enlighten me on this? Again sorry to sound, well dumb. :)

Post# 262931 , Reply# 29   1/11/2014 at 19:30 (3,756 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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dyson dc54 it has no filter

go to see.
















Post# 262932 , Reply# 30   1/11/2014 at 19:48 (3,756 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The DC54 does have an exhaust filter, but according to Dyson It needs no maintenance. I'd imagine its in the ball.


Post# 262933 , Reply# 31   1/11/2014 at 19:56 (3,756 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Yeah it's got one at the back HEPA filter But it hasn't got prefilter like the sock in the Dyson DC 39

Post# 262934 , Reply# 32   1/11/2014 at 20:03 (3,756 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

All very good in theory - but its gonna be the price that's prohibitive - I'd imagine it will retail at about the £350 - £400 mark in the UK.

You will still need to keep the bin internal shroud clean though (The sieve part) as this is where its gonna get clogged, and people don't always brush it clean when emptying the bin.


Post# 262935 , Reply# 33   1/11/2014 at 20:06 (3,756 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I'm wondering why the Australians got the DC54 before the UK market got it - seeing as It was probably designed here anyway


Post# 263034 , Reply# 34   1/12/2014 at 17:31 (3,755 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Gave the Jazz Cyclone System a clean, opened up the top area & most of the cyclones were clogged with Dust, Hair, Dirt etc. then steamed it & my hands were covered in Dust which only made me wheeze.

I think I might send it back, because it is pretty poor now. At first it was a brilliant vacuum, but despite cleaning it I gave it a run around this afternoon & opened up the filter again to already find a small coating of dust on the so called HEPA filter.

I am not impressed now, the fact that I opened up, spent a while cleaning it & now it's near enough gone back to how it was before, so there wasn't much point. And like your Turbo Power Steve, the Cyclones were blocked, I just needed to unscrew the 2 parts from eachother to notice it.


Post# 263039 , Reply# 35   1/12/2014 at 17:45 (3,755 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

HiLo - the problem is that where the small tips of the cones discharge into the collection chamber, there is just not enough room for them to discharge the hairs and fluff without it clogging them up again. Its a very bad design, but on the Turbopower cyclonic upright, its designed differently and the cyclones are fine - they don't get clogged. Its only the Turbopower cylinder and the Jazz cylinder which has the problem. No matter how often you dismantle the cyclone assembly - it will keep on getting blocked, and will always result in the pre-motor filter getting clogged very quickly, as the cyclones are failing to discharge the fine dust as they should.


Post# 263054 , Reply# 36   1/12/2014 at 18:49 (3,755 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

I'm going to get my money back on it, then buy a new cleaner, like I have said in the Miele S2111 thread.

Post# 263510 , Reply# 37   1/15/2014 at 19:11 (3,752 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Does anyone know when the new Argos catalogue comes out.

Post# 263559 , Reply# 38   1/16/2014 at 07:33 (3,752 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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You should update your review to reflect the efficiency of your Jazz, then, HI-LO.

Meanwhile.. I should confess that I have had a Bosch GL-50 since August 2013. Have been using it to clean homes with. Review soon.

I don't like it much.


Post# 263568 , Reply# 39   1/16/2014 at 10:53 (3,752 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Can't wait to see review. I will have to update the one on the Jazz but I didn't think it would be as bad.

Why don't you like the Bosch then sebo_fan?

Meanwhile...I have decided on my Vacuum Cleaner & will hopefully be getting it next month.


Post# 263572 , Reply# 40   1/16/2014 at 11:25 (3,752 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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All will be revealed in time.

Post# 266894 , Reply# 41   2/9/2014 at 20:37 (3,727 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I do have faith in Dyson's but I am curious to know what the motors in these will sound like after 20 odd years...If still running at all.


Post# 266938 , Reply# 42   2/10/2014 at 08:04 (3,727 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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So, I present the Bosch GL-50 - see review, HiLo, if you haven't already.



CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK


Post# 267871 , Reply# 43   2/15/2014 at 15:41 (3,721 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Alex, Dust is hardly going to enter the motor. so is the Dust what normally changed a motor's sound?

Post# 267872 , Reply# 44   2/15/2014 at 15:47 (3,721 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Alex, Dust is hardly going to enter the motor. so is the Dust what normally changed a motor's sound?


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