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Sebo X4 PET aka my baby!
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Post# 262287   1/7/2014 at 16:27 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

I won't bore you all with details too much.... just thought I'd show you all my baby.
I have two machines in the house (3 if you count the Numatic carpet cleaner) - DC39 Animal and the Sebo. I tend to use the Dyson for day to day use as I find it easier given our wide range of floor coverings (with it being a cylinder) however deep down the Sebo will always be my favourite. Although I try my hardest to keep my machines looking like new, IF for example the side of the Dyson's Triggerhead was to get noticeably scuffed it wouldn't be the end of the world.... the Sebo on the other hand... I think I'd cry!

Anywayyy.... Bought it on 18/11/2012 from Currys so it's well over a year old now!
It started off as the only dry use machine in the house and was used daily for a good few months. Now it just gets used every week or so to give the carpets a good going over as an alternative to the Dyson.


Post# 262288 , Reply# 1   1/7/2014 at 16:28 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

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Post# 262289 , Reply# 2   1/7/2014 at 16:29 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

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Post# 262290 , Reply# 3   1/7/2014 at 16:31 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Machine gets a regular wipe down with a damp cloth.... hence there isn't that grubby black line on the rear from the handle release latch

Post# 262291 , Reply# 4   1/7/2014 at 16:32 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

You'd think Sebo could of supplied a black dusting brush and clamp to match the crevice and stair tools!

Post# 262292 , Reply# 5   1/7/2014 at 16:33 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

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Post# 262293 , Reply# 6   1/7/2014 at 16:34 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Base is showing unavoidable signs of the use it gets on our hard floors...

Post# 262294 , Reply# 7   1/7/2014 at 16:35 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Original filters... a few bags away from a change

Post# 262295 , Reply# 8   1/7/2014 at 16:37 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Current bag is half full.... notice the carbon anti odour filter on the pets machine doesn't have the SEBO logo printed on it like the standard filter does...

Post# 262296 , Reply# 9   1/7/2014 at 16:38 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Pre filter starting to look a bit grubby and bag chamber is showing that the machine has had some use. Have filled roughly around 7 bags with it so far

Post# 262297 , Reply# 10   1/7/2014 at 16:39 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Have managed to avoid any major scuffs....

Post# 262298 , Reply# 11   1/7/2014 at 16:40 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

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Post# 262299 , Reply# 12   1/7/2014 at 16:41 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Stair hose and turbo brush as standard

Post# 262300 , Reply# 13   1/7/2014 at 16:43 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

I also bought some extra tools form the Sebo online shop.
The extra crevice tool is so that I don't worry if I scuff the one on the machine when I'm shoving it under the fridge ect ect


Post# 262301 , Reply# 14   1/7/2014 at 16:45 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Machine set up for cylinder use on the hard floors... I wish Sebo would of offered the additional extension pole in black too!! I think it looks 'odd' like this

Post# 262302 , Reply# 15   1/7/2014 at 16:50 (3,732 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

They have two of those exact same cleaners here. They are about 18 months old and look consistent with the use that two machines would get that have been used 5-days a weeks on areas as vast as all the corridors and common rooms we have.

Incidentally, there are a couple of Numatic cleaners kicking around as well. I notice one of our domestic staff has discovered that the end of the Sebo hose fits rather nicely over the Numatic wand. She uses the Numatic tools on the Sebo to clean the hard floors.


Post# 262303 , Reply# 16   1/7/2014 at 16:50 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

I tend to find the on board hose is long enough for most household jobs.

On the stairs I tend to just take the machine with me as I work my way up rather than mess about hunting for the extension hose.
The extension hose only really gets used if I'm going to use the machine on all the hard flooring as a cylinder and also on the rare occasions I use it out on the cars as I find it helps prevent the machine wanting to tip over, thus avoiding the risk of damaging the car bodywork


Post# 262306 , Reply# 17   1/7/2014 at 17:09 (3,732 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Nice looking SEBO X4 Pet matt8808, your keeping it in great condition. Thanks for posting though great pictures of your SEBO X4 Pet too.

I tend to do that with my SEBO Felix Classic, take it up the stairs as I work my way up or down. I don't even sometimes both to take the power head off!

I've got a bit of wear on the base plate on the power head too! Least its not all plastic!

I wouldn't mind getting a SEBO X4!


Post# 262307 , Reply# 18   1/7/2014 at 17:17 (3,732 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Nice! My sister in law has one and its very impressive! Is on my bucket list for sure

Post# 262308 , Reply# 19   1/7/2014 at 17:19 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

I originally started off with a Felix Pet but found it didn't meet my needs as much as the X4 would of so I returned it and bought the X4 Pet instead. Personal preference really...

I like to keep the Sebo looking its best because I know that it should last years and years, and in say 5 years time when it is still performing like new I'd like it to look half decent too!

I think the saying is 'Used, not abused'.


Post# 262309 , Reply# 20   1/7/2014 at 17:28 (3,732 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Personal preference it certainly is, one of the reasons I choose the Felix over the X Series 6 years ago is I liked the fact you can turn the brush bar off on the Felix and it has variable power.

I don't blame you for wanting to keep it looking it's best, thats how things last longer and still look great in years to come.


Post# 262311 , Reply# 21   1/7/2014 at 17:34 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

The main reason me and the Felix didn't get along was that at the time I had a VERY deep pile rug in my bedroom that covered 90% of the floor. The height adjuster on the Felix wouldn't go high enough and as soon as the machine came into contact with the rug the brush protection would trip and cut the brush off.
I'd have to go round on my hands and knees with the hose to get the rug reasonably clean. The X machine seemed to adjust that little bit higher and just to say managed to cope. Or maybe the brush protection isn't as sensitive on the X machines?

The rug is long gone now... was sick of picking bits of sock fluff out of it so now just have the wood flooring by itself.


Post# 262316 , Reply# 22   1/7/2014 at 18:25 (3,732 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Bloody hell, I am about to faint in shock that Chris has not commented on this thread yet of Ryan!

Post# 262351 , Reply# 23   1/8/2014 at 00:45 (3,732 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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I can see why you prefer the X over the Felix cleaning the rug with the hose couldn't have been much fun! I would say the X series auto height adjustment lifts higher than the Felix plus it's variable to. You can tell this when the X is in the upright position it lifts up quite high.

I'm not sure if the X brush bar protection is less sensitive than the Felix!

Looking at your pictures and when I've seen an X series in person I like how thin the made body is from the sides. You can see why they can lie flat and go under furniture with ease!


Post# 262359 , Reply# 24   1/8/2014 at 02:27 (3,732 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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*Or Ryan

Post# 262362 , Reply# 25   1/8/2014 at 03:00 (3,732 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Hope the metal Sebo floor shoe didn't scratch your hard floors-best to use the hard floor nozzle setup you have shown.And the hard floor surface isn't good for the roller brush.I feel the Sebo X series vacuums are the best clean air machines out there-they do work!

Post# 262369 , Reply# 26   1/8/2014 at 03:31 (3,732 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Chris has not commented on this thread yet

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Well, Miss. Raw, I wouldn't want to be predictable, would I? ;)

Gotta say Matt, that is one classy looking Sebo. I do love the black and silver colour scheme. It's odd that it didn't come with a black dusting brush.

I have noticed that the new X4 Pet has a black hose, but still comes with the silver extension hose. That would annoy the hell out of me lol.


Post# 262375 , Reply# 27   1/8/2014 at 04:20 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        
Black hose

Are you sure about the black hose? If you're right Sebo mustn't be able to make their minds up!

When the X4 Pet was originally launched it had a black hose with the whiteish-grey extension hose supplied - this is why in all the 'stock' photos you find on the net the machine has the black hose. Also in the Sebo X series brochure the machine is also shown with a black hose.

That's why when older X4 pets pop up on e-bay they tend to have the black hose (theres one on there now - black hose with light grey stair hose).

I was under the impression that Sebo switched to a 'generic colour' silver hose when they started installing them on their other model X machines and also the Felix range. Similar to how Dyson stopped making multi coloured parts - its much easier / cheaper to supply one part in one colour rather than one part in multiple colours.



Post# 262377 , Reply# 28   1/8/2014 at 04:30 (3,732 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Matt, all the X4 Pet's in my local vac shop have black hoses. I guess they could be old stock, so it might depend on where you buy it from.

Post# 262378 , Reply# 29   1/8/2014 at 04:35 (3,732 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

HHMMMM interesting! Sebo must just be swapping bits about on the Pet version then because I've seen ones a lot older than mine with black hoses too.

They should just stick with the silver, and if they made the wand grey like on the other X machines and also the crevice and stair tools grey then at least that way all the attachments would be one uniform colour.


Post# 263363 , Reply# 30   1/14/2014 at 20:04 (3,725 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Lovely photos. Im beginning to like the carpet you have, which is weird as I don't tend to like patterned carpet.

I have marble tiles and I have vinyl. My old X has run over both several times - no damage - and tile is a lot more precious than many a hard floor and expensive to replace should it crack. Oh yes - that's another part on the SEBO you can buy to replace in time. Everything on the X series is replaceable.

I guess the reason SEBO haven't made a black extension hose yet is simply because the X4 Pet is barely 10 years old model wise. It took them an age to get the silver hose out as a different colour to match what most of the Felix range and the rest of SEBO's vacuums have such as the K and D series that both have silver hoses. Don't forget the red Euronics model also "should have" the light grey hose as well as the Excel John Lewis version and Euronics Pro version, though SEBO change their minds as per the YEARS of the models that go on sale.

I no longer have the dark grey extension hose as I sold it to my mum's best friend who adores my X4. I still have the original cream/grey hose from moons ago - to be honest I don't really mind the colour.

As you will see from my photo, my X1 Automatic has a black hose - I ordered it especially from SEBO just as a way of making my vacuum unique. It also has a more modern hose clip on the side as opposed to the older grey style ring clip. I also have the original brush "wall brush" which in other countries sells as the X Parquet floor tool - I have used that from time to time before I bought my D2 Total.

Have to say though, end of the day although I have a Felix, I still prefer the X over it. True, there's no brush roll stop and no variable power but the X1A is quieter and nimble enough not to require it.

Can anyone spot how I've made my Felix look more unique?




Post# 263390 , Reply# 31   1/15/2014 at 02:34 (3,725 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Unique Felix...

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You have the tools on upside down and it has the Dart exhaust filter?

Post# 263398 , Reply# 32   1/15/2014 at 05:08 (3,725 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Correct Chris! It has no outer filter cover either, just the one below. My Ice blue filter got ripped by accident a couple of months ago and well, just tore it off. Can't decide on the next filter cover to get. Thats the beauty of the Felix - you can mix n match!

Post# 263400 , Reply# 33   1/15/2014 at 05:18 (3,725 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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That would really bug me. I'm the complete opposite and I like all the parts of be correct. There's nothing worse than stumbling across a lovely old cleaner on eBay with the wrong cable or bag and I guess I'm the same with the modern ones too lol.

I picked up the additional accessories box for my X1.1 this week. It has the extension hose, extension tube, large dusting brush, flat upholstery nozzle, wall and floor brush and the Sebo tote bag. All the tools are silver/grey and match my machine. There's something so retro about bringing out a box of tools when you're doing a big clean.


Post# 263410 , Reply# 34   1/15/2014 at 07:13 (3,725 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I was like you years ago - I learned to live with different coloured parts. I mean, its not as if they make colour coded dust bags to go with the machine. I can't have everything.

Post# 263454 , Reply# 35   1/15/2014 at 14:24 (3,724 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
here's mine...

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My Sebo X1.1 Euronics Exclusive with the full tool set

Post# 263485 , Reply# 36   1/15/2014 at 16:55 (3,724 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Nice ensemble!

Today I used my Felix after saying that the X1Auto is better - both are as good as each other. I forgot how easy the Felix is to use even if it is heavier to push due to the manual height adjustment. What wins it over the Hoover Slalom which is more of an equivalent design despite a much longer hose on board, is that it is far simpler to push, use and go around corners with and ironically when auto adjustment on conventional uprights is supposed to be lighter, it is definitely not the case where the Slalom is concerned...

I wonder what the Globe is like but I really don't want to buy another "bagless Hoover" vacuum ever again.


Post# 263602 , Reply# 37   1/16/2014 at 16:53 (3,723 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Regarding the X machines on hard flooring.

I personally don't think they are completely suitable due to the fact the machine lowers itself to the point that the base is scraping along the floor... hence all the scuff marks on the base of mine.


Our kitchen floor is from the Karndean Opus range and is classed as 'premium flooring', it cost around £1400 IIRC and the Sebo has left a lovely long scratch on it from being used in the normal upright mode.

A piece of grit was trapped between the flooring and the cleaner head and was dragged along with the weight of the cleaner head on top of it.

Hence the dedicated hard floor tool.

The only saving grace is that firstly the scratch is under the table and due to the texture of the floor it isn't too noticeable. It's also only really a 'surface scratch'... You only notice it if you're actually looking for it. The tiles are all individual too so if in the future we move the table and the scratch becomes more of an issue we can have the damaged tiles (3 in total) replaced.


This is the flooring in question...


Post# 263604 , Reply# 38   1/16/2014 at 17:02 (3,723 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

I also agree with Chris regarding keeping machine looking original... I'm the same with everything. Hence the mix of grey and black tools on mine is somewhat displeasing.

For me its genuine parts all the way and preferably in the correct colour / style.

My biggest pet hate is alloy wheels on cars... when people buy a poverty trim level that didn't come with alloys and then they put a set of chavvy Halfords RipSpeed ones on thinking it looks good. In reality what they have is sh#t wheels on a sh#t car!



Post# 263615 , Reply# 39   1/16/2014 at 18:23 (3,723 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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After seeing so many dull matte Sebos and Windsors in circulation, this Pet model looks fantastic. It's too bad you can't get one in the USA. I see one on the Canadian website however. The extension hose looks to be quite long, and that handle must be wonderful when cleaning hard floors. Does Sebo sell HEPA bags for this model? The pre-motor filter in reply #9 looks a bit dirty for only a year worth of minimal use. I would expect something better from a model advertised for pet homes. Still, it looks quite elegant. 


Post# 263651 , Reply# 40   1/16/2014 at 22:53 (3,723 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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"I would expect something better from a model advertised for pet homes..."

Yes, you probably would but SEBO filters are not the same as others in other vacuums - the charcoal layer for a start is stitched underneath the white felt on the filter shown in reply No.7. SEBO also make a standard non-charcoal microfilter that is available although the U.S have a HEPA cartridge made with paper pleats (yellow framed) - SEBO in Germany have done extensive tests on the U.S HEPA filter and what I've been told, it isn't as good as the ones SEBO make for worldwide use.

To be fair, Matt's photo of the Anti-odour charcoal filter is a lot whiter than mine. When it starts to turn black or a deep grey, that's when it is time to replace it - and that filter on board alone can last up to 32 dust bags. For an upright that is a year old, I'd say Matt's filter is looking jolly good.

I was visiting another forum the other day when someone asked me online about a washing machine brand that I had never heard of before. I discovered the website many years ago and they have very good, accurate (mostly) information: www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/...

They also have a very well informed SEBO brand page that states the following (and I couldn't put it beautifully myself)

"Bagged cleaners, like Sebo on the other hand, perform brilliantly out the box, continue to do so and get a whole new lease of life when you replace the bag and filter, it's like having a new cleaner all over again as the whole filtration system is purged..."

The most important aspect on this bagged vacuum is that the filter on board does a great job. SEBO have as yet to produce synthetic HEPA dust bags for the X range but the paper bags they have been selling for the best part of 20 years has already been classed as S-Class, which was the old name for HEPA and used in hospitals etc are paper and do a great job, regardless.

I have tried copy synthetic dust bags but they pull away from the seams due to the fact that the bags weigh an absolute ton when they require to be changed over.



Post# 263652 , Reply# 41   1/16/2014 at 22:56 (3,723 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Matt - i was a bit shocked to read that the X has damaged your hard floor - but in all honesty if a fragment of stone gets under an upright vac with a plastic sole plate, it is also going to do damage; I've used some uprights in the past where rubberised bits haven't been fitted and the recesses where the rubber could go traps hard dust that can scratch hard floors.

Post# 263660 , Reply# 42   1/17/2014 at 02:17 (3,723 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

I'm not blaming the machine as such.any upright machine would of probably done the same. The X machine is probably one of the best uprights I've ever used in respect of hard floor cleaning, however I do feel that no upright is truly suited to hard floor cleaning. For best results and protection for the floor you need a parquet style floor head like the one I bought from Sebo.



Post# 263661 , Reply# 43   1/17/2014 at 03:11 (3,723 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
a washing machine brand that I had never heard of before

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out of interest, Ry, what was the brand?

Post# 263665 , Reply# 44   1/17/2014 at 04:48 (3,723 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Re: Sebo's on hard floors...

Matt, how did you find the Felix coped with hard floors when you had that? I think they're much better suited to homes with lots of mixed floor types.

"When it starts to turn black or a deep grey, that's when it is time to replace it"

My X1.1 is 2 and a half years old now and the filters have only needed replacing once. I did this back in July when the machine turned 2. Even then, the filter wasn't particularly grubby, but going a bit grey. I'm actually still on the same box of bags I bought when I got the machine.


Post# 263672 , Reply# 45   1/17/2014 at 08:38 (3,722 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Chris - brand name Arda. Mate of mine has moved back from Australia and has brought (at big expense) an Arda washing machine that requires repairing. Anyway as far as I know he has managed to get some parts for a repair.

As for SEBO filters, the charcoal one is very different to the microfilter basic that turns grey or so I have found. I find the charcoal ones can last a shorter time compared to the basic microfilter. It really depends on the kind of dirt and stuff in the air at the time of what the machine is picking up. I have friends who have X uprights where the model is still using the original microfilter for about 4 years before it needs to be replaced.

That was one of the first considerations when SEBO designed the X - it had to follow a similar blue print to the 300 series commercial uprights where consumable costs were designed to be low and thus not continually required for a vacuum cleaner to keep ticking over. SEBO also designed the X series to be repaired by the owner rather than have it being sent to and from owner to company.
In short, pretty well designed in terms of aftercare considerations which not many brands do, but then not many brands are commercially based at heart.


Post# 263681 , Reply# 46   1/17/2014 at 11:08 (3,722 days old) by Sebox4 ()        
Hi Matt

Nice to see a local member!

I'm also a massive fan of Sebo and have an X4 myself which is coming up for 4 years old now (got it for my 21st birthday lol)

I've kitted mine out to the X4 pet spec with the extension hose and tube, bare floor brush, turbo brush and charcoal filter, hehe!

Your stair carpet is very similar to what I have in the lounge :)

Nice tats btw!

Matt


Post# 263824 , Reply# 47   1/18/2014 at 02:38 (3,722 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Sebo filters-as recommended by the dealer my way you replace the "sock" filter inside the bag area after each "service Pak" of bags.so far mine are still clean-but my Sebos don't get the use that other members here use theirs.

Post# 264152 , Reply# 48   1/19/2014 at 17:47 (3,720 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Matt, quite local indeed!

I'm in Durham most days with work... I'll have to keep my beady little eyes open for you :p


Post# 264219 , Reply# 49   1/20/2014 at 09:41 (3,719 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Replacing the sock filter - not quite...

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The sock filter can actually be brushed clean with the upholstery T brush on board. It doesn't really require replacing unless you start to smell that dusty smell coming out of the SEBO and of course the amount of felt that comes off really depends on how slowly and gentle you are in wiping off the dirt!

I think this is one reason alone to why SEBO developed a different filter for the Felix - I think they knew that owners were just wiping down the sock filters once in a while.

Same with the charcoal filter, though to be honest you can't change the charcoal obviously since it is stitched within the double felt of that filter alone and has already absorbed odours etc.

A friend of mine who has owned an X4 from new regularly wipes down her sock filter with a damp cloth and leaves it to dry. The only filter she buys on occasion is the motor grid exhaust filter. She reports that it has done nothing wrong to the SEBO and the air the machine it leaves is still as clean as a brand new one.

Personally I've only ever scraped-clean my filter in the X1 when I couldn't afford to buy a new filter and that was a few years ago. At that point my home didn't have pets, so it was a low cost effective exercise before eventually it required to be completely replaced.


Post# 264232 , Reply# 50   1/20/2014 at 11:51 (3,719 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

My plan is to just buy the service box whenever I need bags.

There are 10 bags in the box?

So every 10 bags full my machine will get new filters.


Post# 264248 , Reply# 51   1/20/2014 at 14:29 (3,719 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yes you get 10 bags per box, code 5093ER, usually £5-99 to £7

The Service box also includes 10 bags, sock filter and motor exhaust filter, 5094 usually costs £19-99




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