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Thread Number: 23137
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| Post# 259009 12/8/2013 at 17:08 (3,783 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
Good Day All,
Yep, first post of yet another vacuum nube. First, want to say thanks to the helpful contributors here. I recently acquired an M1030Z from work. It was well used, and in need of some TLC. Thanks to a few threads found here, I know quite a bit about it, and it's running in tip top shape. Just acquired a Model 880 this afternoon from the grandson of the original owner. It's got a 3 amp motor. Serial Number: 77m C 14944. Things I like about it: * In GREAT condition! * Attractive Powder Blue * Relatively Quiet * The "Adjust Rite" diaphram * Only $30.00 from Craigslist-Cleveland Things I don't like: * Hand Knob Height Adjust * Bottom Fill Bag * No Quick Release Cord Hook It was missing a belt when I got it, so I swapped one from the 1030Z. Not sure if that's a proper fit, but it's working. I don't want to wear out bearings in the roller or motor if that would be too tight. Also, it had a sticking spring in the handle release latch. I pulled it out, and reshaped what seemed to be bent up, but I'll be darned if I can figure out how it's supposed to function. On the 1030Z, the lever is pushed down with your foot to release the handle. It's an entirely different mechanism. This 880 will latch itself using gravity alone. The spring I pulled out seemed to be pushing in the same direction as gravity. To release it, you have to lift with your foot. That seems wrong. Is it? Thanks In Advance, John | ||
Post# 259042 , Reply# 1 12/9/2013 at 01:52 (3,783 days old) by KirbyClassicIII  (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 259048 , Reply# 2 12/9/2013 at 04:49 (3,782 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Thanks Ben,
I finagled the spring to hold the handle latch in the up position. To latch it in one of the slots, you have to push down with your foot. Tension holds it in place till the handle is slightly lifted. If that's not correct, then I'm stumped. I notice the roller brushes really protrude from the bottom, about 1/4", compared to the 1030Z, which barely protrudes. That one has a new roller to boot! Even so, the 1030 has much more suction, and gets the job done quicker. And yet, it's much more pleasant using the 880. Looking into some bags for the 880. I emailed "Go Vacuum" to see if their "Eureka ZVac F and G Upright Vacuum Bags" were actually a HEPA type bag. No reply yet, but the price is right. Thanks Again, John CLICK HERE TO GO TO ornery's LINK on eBay | ||
| Post# 259092 , Reply# 3 12/9/2013 at 15:56 (3,782 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Correction To Last Post
Just checked again, how much brushes protrude from bottom of each vacuum. 1030Z is a full 1/4". Model 880 is 3/16". Not sure how I got that wrong!
Anyway, can somebody interpret this gibberish from G-Vacuum: Dear Customer, Unfortunately this wont work with the machine you have. he F&G bags will only come on paper. If you have any questions please feel free to ask. Have a great day! - govacuum I had asked if their Eureka ZVac F and G Upright Vacuum Bags (15 pack) #281033479420, would work in the Royal 880. I then asked, "Is there a HEPA bag I can get for the Royal 880? Am I correct that a normal F&G bag will work in place of the Royal Type A bags?" This was their reply: Dear Customer, Type A its the same as F&G bags. A Hepa bag its no longer available. If you have any questions please feel free to ask. Have a great day! - govacuum What am I missing? How could they work in a Eureka, and not the Royal 880? Here is a link to the same bags on Amazon: CLICK HERE TO GO TO ornery's LINK 
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| Post# 259102 , Reply# 5 12/9/2013 at 17:38 (3,782 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Very Pretty Color
The powder blue wouldn't be my first choice, I prefer burgundy, but it's very pretty. Just washed the bag inside out in the washing machine. Came out like new, and I'm not exaggerating. Guess I'll add a picture this time.
But, I think I'm buying those ZVac bags. Fifteen bags that "offer quality hypoallergenic filtering performance" for $13.00 and shipped free. If they're only as good as a standard F&G bag, I'm still ahead on price alone! Found another one: "Heathly Home Eureka Type F and G HiFlow HEPA Filtration Vacuum Bags" Those are about $3.00 each including shipping. I'll link to the Amazon offer below. CLICK HERE TO GO TO ornery's LINK 
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| Post# 259212 , Reply# 7 12/11/2013 at 08:17 (3,780 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Trying Vac Parts Plus
Thanks for the tips. After doing a little more shopping, I opted to go with Vac Parts Plus. Here's the order I just submitted. looks like flat rate shipping of $6.00, and their prices are fair to start with.
Date Ordered: Wednesday 11 December, 2013 Detailed Invoice: vacpartsplusstore.com/catalog/in... Products ------------------------------------------------------ 3 x BELT, 3 & 4 AMP, ROYAL UPRIGHT (801, 153) = $5.97 3 x BELT, STYLE #8 NEW STYLE ROYAL METAL UPRIGHT = $5.97 1 x PAPER BAGS, STYLE F&G, MICRO, EUREKA, 9 PK = $9.09 1 x PAPER BAGS, TYPE B, TOP FILL - ROYAL UPRIGHT 3 PK (RY8100, 1028Z) = $2.79 ------------------------------------------------------ Sub-Total: $23.83 Zone Rates (Shipping to US): $6.00 Total: $29.83 I'll let you know how long it takes... | ||
| Post# 259296 , Reply# 10 12/12/2013 at 11:35 (3,779 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Post# 259300 , Reply# 11 12/12/2013 at 13:18 (3,779 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 259358 , Reply# 12 12/13/2013 at 04:58 (3,778 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Thanks Ben,
Got in touch with him, but no transaction. Nice guy, glad I got to speak with him before his departure. Also, thanks a ton for your Royal efforts, especially the "ROYAL METAL UPRIGHT PRODUCTION LIST". That will be the guide to my dream machine! Take Care, John CLICK HERE TO GO TO ornery's LINK | ||
| Post# 259393 , Reply# 13 12/13/2013 at 17:16 (3,778 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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On Saturday evening December 7th, I placed an order with Vacland.com as follows:
Product ID: 1259319000 Product Name: CORD HOOK- UPPER quick release- polish Quantity: 1 Unit Price: $4.55 -------------------------- Product ID: 1259316000 Product Name: CORD HOOK- LOWER Quantity: 1 Unit Price: $3.47 -------------------------- Product ID: 1003884000 Product Name: SPRING - UPPER CORD HOOK QUICK RELEASE Quantity: 1 Unit Price: $0.55 -------------------------- Product ID: 1597743000 Product Name: SCREW - CORD HOOK QUICK RELEASE Quantity: 1 Unit Price: $0.17 -------------------------- Order Total : $8.74 Shipping : $0.00 Handling : $2.50 State Tax : $0.57 Grand Total : $11.81 Not your run of the mill bags and belts. They're in Cincinnati, so I figured I'd get the order pretty quickly, since I'm near Cleveland. Just called yesterday, 12/12/13, to see where the stuff was? "Still hasn't arrived at our store, but only a day away after it gets here", I was told. Meanwhile, my order placed with Vac Parts Plus on Wednesday morning, is in my hands today. They will be my first choice from now on! | ||
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Post# 259409 , Reply# 14 12/13/2013 at 20:56 (3,778 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 259421 , Reply# 15 12/13/2013 at 22:04 (3,778 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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No Ben, no trouble finding parts. I'd like to get a turn key vacuum with all the advantages, and none of the bad. Once I have it, I'll keep it original and in very good operating condition... forever. If I can keep a lowly plastic Riccar by-pass running for fifteen years, a Royal metal upright will be duck soup! Might as well get one worth keeping. I'd love to have and use a vintage Electrolux canister, but my wife won't have it.
We don't have much carpet. Getting dog hair off our rugs is the biggest challenge. The 880 can do it, but not as quick as the 1030Z. I want the in between machine. I want the headlight, quick release hook, toe-touch adjuster, high vacuum of nine blade fan, power to run a roller with brush stiffeners and the quiet of a 6 Amp motor. Thanks to your "ROYAL METAL UPRIGHT PRODUCTION LIST", I can hone in on that machine eventually. I'll just keep an eye on Ebay and Craigslist and be ready to plop down some cash. Hell, what's the difference between spending $50, $100, $150 or even $200 for a unit you'll use for the next few decades? Sorry, but that's my main reason for being here. I love quality tools as much as the next guy, but I'm not a collector. I'll contribute what I can, but I doubt I can tell you folks anything you don't already know. I could have taken some pictures of servicing the sleeve bearing roller of my 880, but I doubt anybody would be interested. It's only $25.00 or so for a new replacement, so why bother, eh? But, I enjoyed it. Learned a bit more about the machine, and engineering that went into it. Kind of fun. Well anyway, I have a nicely functioning machine to hold me over till the permanent one becomes available. I won't miss the opportunity if it comes, but I can be patient... somewhat. | ||
| Post# 260269 , Reply# 16 12/20/2013 at 18:06 (3,771 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Replaced 880 with 4008 | ||
| Post# 260589 , Reply# 17 12/23/2013 at 23:54 (3,768 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California) | ||
Does this look to be an 880? | ||
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Post# 260591 , Reply# 18 12/24/2013 at 00:10 (3,768 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 260747 , Reply# 19 12/25/2013 at 11:47 (3,766 days old) by kirbyguy (Columbia, MO) | ||
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Guess who bought your Royal 880 on eBay Love the Royal and it is in great condition. It made the trip to Gurnee.Ill just fine. I also tried to fix the handle release spring so it wouldn't stick. I can't figure it out either. So now I have a matching pair of 880's. Your 880 is the one on the right. 
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| Post# 260748 , Reply# 20 12/25/2013 at 11:55 (3,766 days old) by kirbyguy (Columbia, MO) | ||
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Attachments for the 880? The Grandson you bought the machine from didn't by chance have the matching set of attachments for the 880? As with my Kirby's I'd like to find a set of the powder blue attachments. Not that I'll use them. But just to have them to complete the machine. Thanks. | ||
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Post# 260749 , Reply# 21 12/25/2013 at 12:28 (3,766 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Shelley,
These Royal 880s would both date from between 1977-1985. The one you got from John (ornery) was made in 1977, but the one I'm seeing to the left, with the decal on the headlight cap saying to use only genuine Royal headlight bulbs (or equivalents), appears to be a 1984 or early '85 model (during that March the fan case design changed so it was angular). I know John's former 880 has a 3 amp motor, but I wonder if the other 880 has a 4.5 amp motor? If so, this 880 would date from 1980 to 1985. The original attachment set, regardless of year, was part no. 303. In powder blue, it would've carried the catalog #1-303910-201 (the "2XX" part being powder blue trim). ~Ben | ||
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Post# 260750 , Reply# 22 12/25/2013 at 12:30 (3,766 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Here's My Royal 880 | ||
| Post# 260764 , Reply# 24 12/25/2013 at 14:50 (3,766 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Royal Lovers
Merry Christmas Shelley & Ben,
Glad you like that vacuum Shelley. It was basically in that condition when I got it. Cleaned it and lubed the roller. It's prettier than pictures can do justice. Unfortunately, the attachments were sold before I got it. No big deal to me, but you may feel differently. It's not a user friendly machine for swapping them. Honestly, I'm glad it found a home where it's appreciated. Have A Great New Year! John | ||
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Post# 260772 , Reply# 25 12/25/2013 at 17:07 (3,766 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Shelley,
The nameplate on that 880 must've been worn down over the years. A 4.5-amp model 880, like mine, would have a higher-pitched sound than the 3-amp one, which is another clue for year range. Here's the nameplate off of mine (date code says February 1985)... are you sure that nameplate's no longer there or worn out/illegible (on the back side of the nozzle by front wheels)? ~Ben 
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Post# 260776 , Reply# 26 12/25/2013 at 17:32 (3,766 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 260890 , Reply# 27 12/26/2013 at 16:52 (3,765 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Keeping My "Screamer"
My that was a hectic video. I'm worn out just watching!
You know what? That machine might benefit greatly from having the B Style bag on it. I think the plastic tube, that makes it a top fill, helps muffle the whine quite a bit. Try swapping the bag and see if that isn't the case. As it is, I'm growing very satisfied with the 4008. Just did a once around the house and it didn't rattle or buzz at all. The motor/ fan whine isn't an issue. I can easily hear the brush stiffeners beating over the motor sound. The toe touch adjustment is a huge plus. I jump from plush carpet, to commercial, no pile carpet, to bare wood and rugs in quick succession. I wouldn't be too thrilled to give up the infinite height adjust for the five level version. And, if the lower amp motors aren't much quieter, I don't see any point swapping this one out at all! Thanks for the video, it is very enlightening. | ||
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Post# 260903 , Reply# 28 12/26/2013 at 19:35 (3,765 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 261014 , Reply# 29 12/28/2013 at 07:55 (3,763 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Vintage Vacuum Parts
Thanks then to Tyler Campbell for creating the video, and Ben for posting it here. Just can't get enough info about these machines. Well, I probably can eventually, but it's not a big topic around the Web. This is the place to satisfy that quest.
December 7th, I placed an order with Vacland.com and it just arrived yesterday. No big deal. Just a quick release handle for my 1030Z. Now that I have it, I see I also need an Eye Bolt (1884708000). Isn't it wonderful to still be able to get parts for these old vacuums? I work in a machine shop, and can fabricate most of these metal vacuum parts, but why bother when they're less than $10.00? That's just one more reason to favor these tried & true designs. Parts availability and the general robustness of the original design. They can be purchased used for a fair price, and brought up to speed easily. Maybe that's why I use a walk behind mower built in the 70's, a Bunton B48-11H, and Snow thrower built in 1964, Ariens 10M-L60D, 7HP 24". I can still get parts for both of them, or fabricate them if I need to. Just can't say that about the disposable crap sold lately. So, I just submitted another order for some miscellaneous parts at ereplacementparts.com: 1 x Belt Lifter (1880262000) = $1.97 1 x Eye Bolt (1884708000) = $5.76 1 x Adjuster Release (1133715000) = $6.52 1 x Adjuster Rod (1996011000) = $3.01 2 x Foot Adjustment Lever Cover-Burgundy (1130008800) = $4.04 Don't need the Adjuster Release or Adjuster Rod, but they're discontinued most other places, and weren't used for models before or after the one I have. Again, I could fabricate them, but it's nice to have the OEM parts. I already made a nicely functioning belt lifter from aluminum tube, but for $2.00 I figured I'd snag the real thing. They say up front, "Your order will leave our warehouse in approximately:9 - 14 business days", so they must ship in from China or something. I'll update when they finally show up. I'd like to get a molded 2 conductor cord for the 1030Z. The 40', 3 conductor is way too stiff and bulky. Any suggestions where I might get that for a decent price? Oh yeah, forgot my cars are built on the tried & true "vintage" Panther platform as well... CLICK HERE TO GO TO ornery's LINK 
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| Post# 264987 , Reply# 30 1/27/2014 at 18:36 (3,733 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Finally Received A Couple Orders
Placed an order with eReplacementparts.com on Fri 12/27/2013 6:53 PM:
1 x Belt Lifter (1880262000) = $1.97 1 x Eye Bolt (1884708000) = $5.76 1 x Adjuster Release (1133715000) = $6.52 1 x Adjuster Rod (1996011000) = $3.01 2 x Foot Adjustment Lever Cover-Burgundy (1130008800) = $4.04 Just arrived today, 01/27/14. Ordered from TotalVac.Com on Sun 1/5/2014 12:52 PM: R-672260 Royal Upright Metal Commercial Vacuum Cleaner Belt 4 $1.25 FA-3035ES Vacuum Cleaner Gray Power Cord - 35 feet 1 $9.95 That order arrived Friday, 01/24/14. So, that's the way it is with these low cost replacement parts. Can't say I'd be willing to pay much more to get them locally, faster. Wasn't in much of a hurry. This post is for future reference. I installed the new cord on the 1030Z, and it's MUCH better than the bulky 3 conductor I took off. But, nowhere near as nice as the supple cord on the Model 4008. Also, installed the quick release cord hook from Vacland. THAT is a welcome change! So, my backup machine is good to go. It will be used frequently in the screened-in porch, that has commercial glued down carpet. But, I would swap it out in a heartbeat for a Model 996 or similar vintage. Still looking... 
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| Post# 265056 , Reply# 31 1/28/2014 at 09:28 (3,732 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Now A Model 9700 Owner
Yeah Ben, that 9700 I'm sure you were watching on Ebay is now mine. Also ordered the following from VacPartsWarehouse.com:
2673274000 Royal Dirt Devil Revolving Brush W/Speed Indicator #2673274000 1 $39.68 2870169800 Royal Dirt Devil Adjust-O-Rite Plate Assembly - Burgundy #2870169800 1 $14.40 Should be here in a week. The 1030Z and/ or 4008 will be on Ebay soon after... CLICK HERE TO GO TO ornery's LINK on eBay 
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Post# 265057 , Reply# 32 1/28/2014 at 09:38 (3,732 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 265064 , Reply# 33 1/28/2014 at 10:30 (3,732 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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This Is It!
Thanks Ben, you are the man!
Parts are on order. Both should arrive about the same time. Hoping this is the be-all, end-all for me. Now, if you could just assure me it will be quiet as a mouse, capable of sucking the chrome off a hitch, and make dinner for me when it's done, I'll rest easy while waiting for its arrival... | ||
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Post# 265076 , Reply# 34 1/28/2014 at 12:23 (3,732 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 265447 , Reply# 35 1/30/2014 at 18:19 (3,730 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Wow, It's Here Already!
I have a new respect for USPS Parcel Select. Won auction on 28th, in my hands from California on the 30th!
And, it's going to be "The One". It's even got wheel covers, that cinches it! Thanks again for compiling that "ROYAL METAL UPRIGHT PRODUCTION LIST", Ben. Never would have got to this point without it. And, what a coincidence. The 1030Z sold on Ebay last night. It went out on UPS just as this one arrived. Had to quit disassembling it when my wife pulled in. She doesn't know I have it yet... 
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| Post# 265661 , Reply# 36 2/1/2014 at 07:45 (3,728 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Back Together
I placed my order from Vac Parts Warehouse on the 28th by phone, because the secure part of the site wasn't working. I was told the nozzle cover was in stock, and told it would ship right away. Well, just got confirmation it went in the mail only last night! This rookie kid got my vacuum here from California in two days, and this pro outfit can't even get a couple parts in the mail in that time!
Anyway, couldn't bring myself to take sandpaper to this thing. I bet the previous owners used it till the original belt broke, and that was it. There were leaf bits in the bag, so it was probably used on a porch or garage and left there for twenty years. So, I just washed the parts in Dawn, buffed and polished it with the new wheels and compounds, and threw it back together. Maybe an hour's effort cleaning & buffing, and 20 minute assembly. There are a couple nicks & scratches, but that's about it. I'm going to put the rest of these images, and my thoughts in Ben's "1980-1995 Royal (All-Metal) Upright Model Chart". It's because of his efforts, that this unit is in my hands now. CLICK HERE TO GO TO ornery's LINK 
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Post# 265690 , Reply# 37 2/1/2014 at 12:23 (3,728 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 268233 , Reply# 38 2/17/2014 at 17:37 (3,712 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Kudos To Vac Parts Plus
Placed an order to Vac Parts Plus on the 12th. UPS has it in my hands on the 17th, with a weekend in between. That's more what I'm used to! They'll be my goto parts place from here on out.
One item I thought I'd try, is the "CITRUS CRYSTALS PACKET" for the Royal Chemical Chamber. For $5.00 I got a very tiny tin of these crystals. Very disappointing. Hopefully, they'll last a while, but I doubt it. Gotta find a more cost effective alternative. I know I could vacuum up a pile of baking soda, or something similar, but I'd rather make use of that chamber feature. Something not petroleum based. Maybe cloves? Some other spice? | ||
| Post# 268246 , Reply# 39 2/17/2014 at 19:53 (3,712 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California) | ||
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I have seen posted...
on the web, perhaps here, the idea of putting vanilla extract on balls of cotton. I have yet to try it.
The first vac i really dug was a metal Royal. Still can't pass up the right one for the right price. I have a couple i'm gonna sell this summer as they are now duplicates. Just saw the big commercial wide head model at a vac shop. serious cleaning machine that one, no doubt. The polishing job on yours is the best i've seen btw. | ||
| Post# 268280 , Reply# 40 2/18/2014 at 02:05 (3,712 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Mmm Vanilla!
Vanilla sounds like a winner all the way around. I'm trying it at least once, thanks!
The 18" wide head model has Carpet & Rug Institute Gold Rated Seal of Approval, but the exact same unit with a 14" head is Silver Rated. How credible is their rating with results like that? CLICK HERE TO GO TO ornery's LINK 
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| Post# 278272 , Reply# 41 4/26/2014 at 10:41 (3,644 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Full Circle
Just purchased yet another Model 880 from Ebay. Paid about twice as much as the one purchased on Craigslist that started this thread. Reason I paid so much was the cost of shipping and it looked to be in very good condition.
It arrived on Wednesday the 23rd, and I shot a video of the unboxing. Then, a video of the disassembly. The bell housing had some deep scratches, so I shot a video of the sanding of that... and another... and another... and another! Just shot a video of the buffing procedure last night, and it's uploading today. I already told Ben I'll be keeping this one. I know I've said that about every other vacuum I've had, but this is the sweet spot of Royal vacuums to me. I'll keep the Model 131, which will officially make me a collector, but the 880 will be the everyday vacuum. Here's a link to the unboxing video followed by an image of the damage,: CLICK HERE TO GO TO ornery's LINK 
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Post# 278313 , Reply# 42 4/26/2014 at 18:39 (3,644 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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John,
I know you'll be proud of her once she is all finished. A new 9-blade impeller fan for this unit can be ordered under replacement part no. 1-608004-000 or 1-620004-000 (check for availability) if you intend to replace that as part of your progress of this machine. Then she will have more cleaning power than she originally did. ~Ben | ||
| Post# 278326 , Reply# 43 4/26/2014 at 21:11 (3,644 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Really?
A nine blade fan? Honestly, I think the thin bag helps give it insane air flow already.
I've been using the Model 131 for so long, I forgot how much more suction the newer ones have. Newer? That's a hoot. This one is 32 years old! Fired it up a little while ago and it wants to suck the rug off the floor, while the nozzle is still an inch above it! Slight exaggeration, but it is significantly more powerful than the 131. The 131 has an A weighted sound level of 78dB and the 880 runs at 90dB. Big difference. Its 16 pounds compared to 12, but the nozzle cover of the 880 glides easier because of the rolled edges in the openings. The foot adjust and quick release hook on a "newer" one would be a nice plus. I can add the hook, but the screw height adjust just is what it is. Added a link to the buffing video, and I'm throwing one more out there, of the motor housing buffing. Guess I've had my fix for a while... CLICK HERE TO GO TO ornery's LINK 
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