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Post# 257804   11/28/2013 at 11:19 (3,773 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh)        

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A friend brought these to my attention the other day, marketed as the perfect partner for your Gtech Airram. They look pretty good, I'm pretty impressed with Gtech products. Just a pitty there is no turbo tool.




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Post# 257829 , Reply# 1   11/28/2013 at 14:44 (3,773 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Looks a great hand held vacuum cleaner! Least the owners of AirRam will be pleased there is a hand held to accompany it! One reason why I didn't buy one as no attachments but might get one of these Multi! Agree no turbo tool!

Probably they might extend the range to compete with the Dyson Digital Slim and offer a floor/turbo tool attached to a wand! Battery power is longer!

I see they are offering a free extension wand for the Multi if purchased direct with Gtech!

I know a few people say the AirRam doesn't cope work well on think carpet/rugs! I'm sure there will be new versions of the AirRam and Multi in years to come!!


Post# 257861 , Reply# 2   11/29/2013 at 02:20 (3,773 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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It looks like a great one and a good design. I'm impressed with GTech - they sent me out a free handle and pipe after my original one broke on my SW02 sweeper. I guess if you were to measure the tools, nothing would stop you from adding a mini turbo brush onto the end.

Post# 257900 , Reply# 3   11/29/2013 at 15:09 (3,772 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Mmm looks like Dyson is directly fighting back at the Gtech Airram see link/clip below from the official Dyson YouTube Channel!





Wonder what Gtech will make of that!?


Post# 257902 , Reply# 4   11/29/2013 at 15:19 (3,772 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        

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Thanks for the info Paul I hadn't seen this, I wonder if there is a big messy filter under that green shroud and is it going to need frequent filter maintenance? I think they should have included a longer extension tube and a floor head to make this more versatile but they seem to be marketing this as an addition to the AirRam. I'm not Dyson fan but if I got this I think I'd always be thinking I went for the understudy to the Dyson cordless :s It may be cheaper but if you got the AirRam and this then you could get the latest Dyson cordless!

Post# 257903 , Reply# 5   11/29/2013 at 15:33 (3,772 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
one of these days, Dyson!

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SOMEONE will put those plastic cyclone vacuums in their place!
Here's hoping...Laughing


Post# 257904 , Reply# 6   11/29/2013 at 15:37 (3,772 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Very true ultraperformer

For both Gtech Products you could get the Dyson DC59 but then you have to consider buying from Gtech direct as at present are selling the 2 models at a discounted price saving £50.00 plus including the extension wand for free as this is not included normally plus you get longer run times than the Dyson.

Or you go for the Dyson having versatile cleaning in one unit with powerful cleaning performance and light weight and better filtration but runtime is not very long! Plus you could add additional cleaning tools to the unit.


Post# 257905 , Reply# 7   11/29/2013 at 15:55 (3,772 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        

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Good points Jon but I'd then have to store two extra vacuums and charge them both, plus regardless of their marketing there is no way I'd only vacuum my carpet with the AirRam, AEG Nimble and Morphy Richards liftaway would still be needed to get the deep down dirt out.

Post# 257906 , Reply# 8   11/29/2013 at 16:03 (3,772 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The Air Ram is not multi cyclonic, and contains sponge filters in the lid of the dirt container, which need to be "tapped" out periodically to maintain suction. In this respect the Air Ram is nowhere near the Dyson on filtration and dirt separation. I really cant see what the big craze is with the Air Ram, after all its just a sweeper with a battery operated motor.


Post# 257907 , Reply# 9   11/29/2013 at 16:05 (3,772 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Thank you, thats very true taking up more space. Same argument some Dyson owners are highlighting with the Dyson Hard and the other Digital Slims, you cant use the hard tool on the other machines (due to pressure applied using the hard tool) and you can not add the turbo floor tool to the Hard (wand has not power connectors). Again wanting you to buy both!

To be honest I wouldn't either, there is still a long way to go before batter powered vacuums will replace mains powered ones!


Post# 257908 , Reply# 10   11/29/2013 at 16:22 (3,772 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        

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Steve I completely agree with what you said I can't understand what the fuss about it is either. Jon I hope to get that Dyson Hard tool to fit on my DC38 I believe its the standard click fit connection? We have mainly hard floors and it would be really handy plus the wand on the DC38 seems very sturdy.

Post# 257909 , Reply# 11   11/29/2013 at 16:28 (3,772 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        

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Post# 257910 , Reply# 12   11/29/2013 at 16:36 (3,772 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I think the Dyson Digital Slim is really better suited to homes with hard flooring only, as it has the special carbon fibre brushroll filaments that are designed for hard floors, as in the pic above, it trounces the Air Ram where flour is to be picked up. The DC59 would not deep clean a carpet well though in comparison to a mains vac. The Air ram would quickly lose suction with flour as the foam pad filters become clogged, whereas the Dyson would spin the flour out of the airflow and keep up its suction.

The DC59 if it wasn't so expensive would be a very good choice for those who want that grab and go convenience on hard floors, as they can be cleaned faster than carpets, and the run time is quite good with the DC59 as it uses the latest battery technology and latest digital motor.

Sorry, but the Air Ram is nothing special, and GTECH has relied on over advertising and mass marketing to sell them (taking a leaf out of Dyson's book). I would have the DC59 any day over the Air Ram, but the Air Ram is cheaper which is the only advantage it has.

 

Looking at the hand vac it appears not to be multi cyclonic and has no turbine head - but it has the advantage of being £200 cheaper than the DC59 - so I presume it would be a good seller due to people's love affair with the Air Ram.


Post# 257911 , Reply# 13   11/29/2013 at 16:39 (3,772 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Let me know if you do and how you get on with it. Yes I believe it is the standard click fit. I would like something to use daily instead of a mains vacuum.

I did consider the Dyson Hard as I have some hard floors but carpets elsewhere. Shame it doesn't come with a floor tool to use on carpets! Will you use Dyson wipes (£4.99 for x12 looking at the website on offer at mo for £4.24!!) or some other ones?


Post# 257915 , Reply# 14   11/29/2013 at 17:33 (3,772 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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Have any of you guys actually used the GTech AirRam DAILY for weeks if not Months on end as a daily driver and used it on a multitude of floorcoverings to pick up a multitude of dirt dust and grit?

I eagerly await your responses!!!!



Post# 257918 , Reply# 15   11/29/2013 at 17:46 (3,772 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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I haven't personally but I know family who have one and are very impressed with it. I've thought about getting one when they first came out!

Post# 257922 , Reply# 16   11/29/2013 at 19:50 (3,772 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The Gadget show link that Adam provided on the other thread shows an independent test of quite a few stick vacuums and Dyson's hand held. In it you can see that the Dyson is pretty good with the pick up of just about everything in the first test.

Surprisingly a lot of other cordless stick vacs fail to pick up anything in a major way, including that AEG stick vacuum.


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Post# 257958 , Reply# 17   11/30/2013 at 09:19 (3,771 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh)        

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The Gadget show "test" was ridiculous ( as per usual with most of their domestic appliance tests ) Very few vacuums would pick up at the speed the Gtech was being used and bounced around.

Post# 257963 , Reply# 18   11/30/2013 at 10:58 (3,771 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I don't have the AirRam but I do have the SW02. The SW02 picks up really well - but when the brush roll gets clogged up with dust i.e sticks to the bristles, it happily spits it out again.

Post# 257978 , Reply# 19   11/30/2013 at 13:52 (3,771 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

The Gtech Air ram has 4 AW and lost when Dyson compared it to the DC59

Post# 257993 , Reply# 20   11/30/2013 at 15:03 (3,771 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
..And?

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Don't mind the power of such a cleaner, whereas it's Air-Watts or Amps, It's all in the design.

Modern cleaners NEED those full 12 amp, or 2000 Watt motors to FORCE dirt thru all those tight turns and bends.

Whereas an elder cleaner, take for example a Hoover Convertible or a KIRBY can deliver twice the power for half the power!

My little old 1940s General-Electric upright only runs on 300 WATTS, For a full-size upright!

 

I don't see why fuss over some $400 vacuum when a $5 Garage Sale ElectrikBroom will outlive and outperform that Dyson Ten-Fold. Especially that new mopping thing! Great Job, Dyson! You've invented a $500 Swiffer!


Post# 257994 , Reply# 21   11/30/2013 at 15:07 (3,771 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I wish you could try a DC04, you would love Dyson if not that particular model

Post# 257997 , Reply# 22   11/30/2013 at 15:14 (3,771 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
We didn't get the DC04 over in the states,

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We didn't get Dyson period until the DC07. Everyone loved the former big name in Bagless, Fantom.

Speaking of, has anyone seen their new Dyson commercial airing about on Television?

Here's what they state:

 

Only cleaner to have...

"Self-Adjusting cleaner head"- Wrong! Budget-End Hoover Elites, along with other Budget cleaners all had that before Dyson was even a thing. Canister Carpet nozzles "automatically" adjust, Too.

"Easy built-in Wand"- Fantom invented it. I say that because of, in the late 1980s, IONA, the parent compant of Fantom Technologies, began to build commercial machines labeled, "Vectron", for S C Johnson Wax. They did license Jame's Dual-Cyclonic technology, But I don't Dyson had even thought of such a unique handle design. If anyone can prove me else wise, please do so.

 

They said some other Rubbish, but that escapes my mind for the time being.


Post# 258009 , Reply# 23   11/30/2013 at 16:35 (3,771 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Actually, the DC01 was being prototyped 5127 times, it took JD years to make the DC01, and it was the first vacuum to have a carry handle, a stretch hose, a clear bin, a wand and hose release feature and the bagless design! It was launched in 1993 and swept through the UK market and it made JD a millionaire.
JD and Fantom worked together, Dyson sold the patents to Fantom


Post# 258011 , Reply# 24   11/30/2013 at 16:38 (3,771 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Which is why the US got the DC02 but renamed the Fantom lightning or something like that.


Post# 258015 , Reply# 25   11/30/2013 at 16:58 (3,771 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

The handle wand first appeared on the dyson designed G-Force in the mid 80's, long before the fantom vacuums.

 

As for the test, I wish I could view the video but I can't due to being in the US. The dyson video is forgetting one thing, it needs all those air watts to pull dirt up through that long tube and all the cyclones, plus suction really does not matter so much on carpet cleaning. I would personally take the Gtech over the dyson since my home is mostly carpet. I have no doubt the dyson would do better for fine dust on hard floors, but for run time and carpet cleaning I would take the Gtech any day.

Scott


Post# 258027 , Reply# 26   11/30/2013 at 18:05 (3,771 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Agreed, but I thought suction can help with carpet cleaning because if you compare a swivel sweeper (brushes only) to a DC05 motorhead for example (not got aggressive bristles) the DC05 will clean better?

OR a Gtech air ram to a Henry Xtra, Henry is miles better


Post# 258028 , Reply# 27   11/30/2013 at 18:15 (3,771 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

Indeed, that is the reason the airram cleans better than the Gtech sweepers. But if you flip your analogy around, say in comparing a hoover junior to a dyson dc03, the dyson has loads more suction but the junior has much better agitation and therefore will clean carpets better.


Post# 258062 , Reply# 28   12/1/2013 at 03:17 (3,771 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Not everyone wants a fugly plastic silver screaming hand held that only lasts 20 minutes. Fine if they were priced at £100 which they are not.

As for Air Ram - it offers double the running time than the Dyson - and isn't as cheaply IMHO to buy.




Post# 258067 , Reply# 29   12/1/2013 at 05:02 (3,771 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

The Dyson can do more than the Air ram, the Air ram can only do floors whereas the Dyson can go anywhere, even with the handheld kit which is offered for free with the DC44 atm
They can clean under tables, beds, around chairs, up high, down below and inbetween, sofas, the gap next to the fridge and/or washing machine, skirting boards, lamo shades, keyboards, in the car, the boot, you name it


Post# 258070 , Reply# 30   12/1/2013 at 05:29 (3,771 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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From what I can see GTech first offerings were the cordless sweepers - a quick and easy way to sweep up crumbs between vacuuming.
At least GTech have realised their machines capability and added an extra machine making other jobs achievable and far easier.

Easier because one didnt have to drag out a heavy vac, plug it in and have the restrictions of a power cord.

I think the evolution of the AR has come from those who have bought the sweeper and not used their regular vac very often after, a bit to the detriment of their carpets cleanliness.

Thing is because the SWV sweepers are so light and do a great job of surface cleaning I think once you have owned one dragging out a vac has become a bit of a pain for regular people. I know I feel that way myself.

I used to get the big vacs out everyday just to run around and pick up a few crumbs, cat hair and cat litter.
It does become a pain getting it out, unwinding the cord, pushing it around, winding the cord back up and putting it away.

My AirRam turns this 10 minute job into a 3 minute one with very little effort.

Where the AirRam has evolved from the SWV's is that they do pull dust and grit out of the carpet with the suction they also provide ontop of the surface litter brushing action.

If we really want to be critical of the AIRRam then the following points need to be taken into account about the Dyson.

1, the dyson was originally a handheld vac and the addition of the long tube and floorhead makes it a heavy vac to use due to its top heavy and high centre of gravity.

Gtechs AR gravity centre is lower and much easier to use.

2, dyson seem to spend alot of time bleating about its use on hardfloors yet they dont mention half as much of its performance on carpets if any. I wonder why?

3, Usage time, GTech wins there!

4, the AR's handle is easier to hold than the dysons. It means the user hasnt got the weight of most of it in their hands and the bulky unit in your hands may well restrict where you direct the cleaner in tight spaces around between beds and walls etc.

5, no cloud dust when emptying!

6, the AR's brushroll is better suited to carpet cleaning when all said and done.

7, the AR ram purpose designed. All dyson have done is add extras onto an unwieldy ready made design with little thought to the actual use.

At least GTech have realised their machines capability and added an extra machine making other jobs achievable and far easier.

I disagree the AR is only capable of floor cleaning. I have done the stairs with it, sofa cushions, car boots, car seats, bathroom mats, cat bedding.

Dyson has some serious competition out there, about time too.



Post# 258075 , Reply# 31   12/1/2013 at 07:26 (3,770 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Very good points TM

The other aspect is that whilst Dyson has that hand held vac with the added pole and floor head, so does my £40 Black and Decker corded hand vac. It offers more than the Dyson with its various tools and attachments, though it lacks a turbo brush (and smaller diameter tubes than 32mm means it is impossible to use a universal fit turbo brush) but it does have a blow facility handy for air mattresses. Thus, its a good all rounder a number of cleaning needs with a blow facility.

Yet I've only used its basic hand vac design for many years in between using its specialised tools and been happy with its performance. It has a flatter body and easier to pivot into corners for picking dirt up. The one aspect that I dislike about the Dyson is the bin at the bottom. It looks like it would get in the way, forcing me to pull my hands upwards as I try and I direct the nozzle into an area where a flatter, "more old fashioned" dust buster design does the pick up better without hand strain.

Largely then whilst there are so many other machines coming onto the market, at least the Air Ram is fit for purpose and as yet there isn't a similar rival in terms of what the Air Ram offers.



Post# 258137 , Reply# 32   12/1/2013 at 18:21 (3,770 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
Thank you,SingingRainbow,

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Dyson does get credit their. 

Dyson did not, however, invent the clear bin, Mr.Parwaz, Rainbow invented that sometime around the 1940s, First as a demonstration tool, but then put into production for household models.

 

PLENTY of Bagless cleaner where available YEARS before Dyson, Such as Rainbow, or Filter Queen.

 

Again, PLENTY of vacuums had carry handles, Decades before Dyson. What canister cleaner didn't come with one?

Electrolux, Rainbow, Filter-Queen, Hoover, The list goes on!

 

Hoover also was far ahead of Dyson, having a Stretch hose as early as the 1950s. Take a look at this 1963 Hoover testing Footage, those Constellations look to have stretch hoses to me!

 

Again, if anyone wishes to correct me, please do so now.



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Post# 258179 , Reply# 33   12/1/2013 at 20:31 (3,770 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        
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does not even scratch the surface (whether hard-floor or carpeted) for me. I do not see how the G-Tech upright can in any way be compared to the Dyson hand-held. Dyson really needs to decide which camp their cleaner is in; is it to target the hand-held market, where the target consumer is looking to sweep away a few crumbs, or is it to compete with the upright models and be used to clean a home all through?

Irrespective of performance of the difference in cleaning power between the Dyson and the G-tech (and I will readily admit that I am yet to even see a G-tech, let alone use one, though I have used a Dyson DC59 as it was being demonstrated in a store I wandered into), it is clear to me from the advertising alone that the G-tech is sold as a machine to -at the very least- supplement an upright, if not replace it, and it's physical size and design would allow a much faster and easier coverage of floor space than a Dyson hand-held. The Dyson is smaller so what use is the extra cleaning power of the Dyson if it is going to take longer to clean an area? Added to which, the running time is half that of the G-tech. Overall, it looks like a choice between a small area cleaned well, or a large area cleaned to an acceptable level.

After all the years I have spent attending to vacuum cleaners, I really have to question whether the drawbacks associated with mains powered cleaners have not been blown out of sensible proportion with the aim of promoting hand-held models. Years ago, people had common sense and would plan a cleaning routine so as to provide maximum convenience for both the household and the person cleaning. I don't care how great these new Dyson hand-held cleaners are, other than for cleaning jobs like titivating a small area or dealing with immediate spills, one could argue that the remainder of the cleaning -such as high-level and low level dusting- would be more 'planned' and thus best use made of the regular vacuum cleaner.


Post# 258244 , Reply# 34   12/2/2013 at 07:48 (3,769 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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For me the best cordless vacuum is still the dust buster by Black and Decker and those who have followed since. Even a wet and dry Black and Decker cordless dust buster makes a lot more sense in a busy home in general, especially with pets or children, or both.

Even corded hand vacs have their place like the excellent Dirt Devil Handy, a model I had for many years before buying the Black and Decker corded hand held I have now.

Clearly what is happening here is a move to release hand helds and replacing the previous market of "lightweight" uprights with the stick idea. It is hardly new. The only difference is that many buyers will adore the advertising of Dyson alone and may well promote sales of the Dyson model alone when the UK have been one nation who have been very slow to pick up on the idea of a corded or cordless stick vacuum anyway.

On the continent, stick vacuums have always been popular but in the UK we're not so mindful - possibly down to the climate we have to suffer with and have more carpets than hard floors as a result.





Post# 260787 , Reply# 35   12/25/2013 at 20:10 (3,746 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Post# 260808 , Reply# 36   12/26/2013 at 02:57 (3,746 days old) by Adamthemieleman (North Yorkshire )        

I prefer the Dyson, after using both at work. The air ram, struggles suction wise, and as for the compaction, it doesn't work, they were nowhere near bundles but rather slightly bundled with mostly loose dust!

The DC59 is great, on hand floor and carpet, we test it with flour, picks it up first time. It is flexible too, with its range of attachments and the wand. The cordless kit is brilliant too, the flexible extension is a fantastic idea.



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