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Dyson DC04 Absolute+ Swap |
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| Post# 256430 11/16/2013 at 11:51 (3,805 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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| Post# 256433 , Reply# 1 11/16/2013 at 12:53 (3,805 days old) by RootCyclone (East Midlands,UK.) | ||
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I doubt anyone would swap with you if your DC04 has a cracked handle and several problems on it. No one would give you a 33, 26, 15, or 14 for a broken 04, that's not how it works I'm afraid. Be a man and replace parts that needs replacing. The whole point of vacuum collecting is to restore vacuums... | ||
| Post# 256519 , Reply# 3 11/16/2013 at 22:03 (3,804 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 256554 , Reply# 4 11/17/2013 at 05:35 (3,804 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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How much do you reckon I would get for this Dyson when I put it on Gumtree? Thanks- I really should get a Sebo, DC14, or a Henry now | ||
| Post# 256566 , Reply# 5 11/17/2013 at 06:32 (3,804 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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Nothing wrong with a nice Nissan Cherry! Although maybe you should refurbish loads of dysons and sell them and then get a Reno? | ||
| Post# 256569 , Reply# 6 11/17/2013 at 06:35 (3,804 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Maybe, I might Gumtree it (Thank you so much Sebo_fan) and then get a proper vac like a Henry, a DC14 or a Sebo Dunno why Sebo brushbars look crappy in youtubbe videos, the design just dont look right. | ||
| Post# 256576 , Reply# 7 11/17/2013 at 07:19 (3,804 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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Mr Parwaz - that's fighting talk lol - sebo_fan will not be happy to hear you say that about the Sebo brushroll | ||
| Post# 256604 , Reply# 9 11/17/2013 at 10:01 (3,804 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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I saw an X4 used the other day and it was surprisingly good, I reckon it would give a new belted TP1 a run for its money. If I can be bothered one day I'll take one down for a laugh! | ||
| Post# 256621 , Reply# 10 11/17/2013 at 12:03 (3,804 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well I'm not unhappy but I am happy to tell you what I've learnt through ownership...
SEBO don't give a fig about how the brush roll looks. It's all about the design and pick up. The general design counts in: 1) General brush wear, which the sensor head compensates through the timed way it senses carpet height and adjusts accordingly. 2) Protects carpets without burning the carpet 3) It is designed to offer long term duration without being replaced. 4) It can be used on hard floors without damage since no beaters have been added. 5) Made of recycled plastics and reiterates the low eco efficiency of the X machines they are fitted to. 6) Universal design fitted so that they can be used on the ET-1 floor head for the D4 and Felix models. 7) Coupled with the PVC plastic interior and sealed suction channel of the SEBO design, the brush roll can handle pretty rough debris like stones, glass, paper clips and so forth. Generally it seems to do SEBO well both in the commercial field worldwide and at home. I've never had a problem with their standard brush roll and I'm glad such a company exists where you can take it out in a oner via a button release for cleaning or change over to the delicate brush roll that they also offer. | ||
| Post# 256659 , Reply# 12 11/17/2013 at 13:31 (3,804 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well it doesn't actually say anything about Currys or Argos other than maintaining its high-street low budget characteristics with selective choices trying to meet both kinds of buyers. That can be incredibly difficult for franchises, especially when they have to buy in brands and models as to what they think their average buyer wants.
SEBO aren't low budget and neither are NEFF or other selective premium brands that you would hardly find at Argos. Currys now appear to carry Miele and NEFF washing machines and there's a reason for that as they are a different franchise to the "sold as seen" process at Argos. I know what you mean about SEBO availability - but to be honest - they were never really a mainstream brand until they started to become wider to purchase in the 1990s, and even then selected stockists like John Lewis have always stocked SEBO. They aren't a middle of the line brand, any less than trying to sell a bagged vacuum at a high price to a general society who are taken in with bagless vacuums at the same price. SEBO aren't a domestic company solely though - they've always been commercially based at heart, so their domestic sales are a bit of a bonus. I bet SEBO sell more of their commercial uprights compared to their domestic K cylinder vacs, though the bigger bagged D series will no doubt affect sales figures. | ||
| Post# 256677 , Reply# 14 11/17/2013 at 15:24 (3,804 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Eh? SEBO do sell vacuums from their site...
Even if they aren't listed on the actual website, they can sell them via phoning them up - and they're not like Miele where you have to pay a premium rate telephone number. At the mo Sebo are selling their Royale model on their website evidently because they are trying to push sales for that particular model. I'm not entirely sure about the Felix Pet - John Lewis in Glasgow and Edinburgh usually stock these models in so buyers can try them. PLUS you're not really getting anything different over the standard Vogue models other than a colour change and added tools which John Lewis already sell. I think it depends on your store - plus you can phone up JL and ask them to get one in. I know JL did that for several future buyers of the D series cylinder vacs when they were online sales only. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 256684 , Reply# 16 11/17/2013 at 15:51 (3,804 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Personally I think that you're being too hard on the situation. On one hand you say that just because the Felix isn't listed in its entirety on the site unlike Miele, it stops you from buying the vacuum and on the other hand because a stockist is too far away, you're limiting yourself because you can't try one in the flesh.
Do you tar every product like this? I live in a location where none of the shops sell SEBO or Miele vacs and consumables and none of them appear to sell the added filters for my vintage RIMA cooker hood - does that stop me to keep these machines ticking over? Of course not. I'm forced to buy online and most of the time it is cheaper anyway than asking private/independents to get the parts in. I see your point about SEBO, but then again I must reiterate they're not a major company whose products can slip off the tongue like the average buyer who knows about Dyson and hee haw else. They're also a small company and a private one at that who don't produce vacuums in China. Many buyers don't know about the SEBO brand because they're a commercial company - and lets face it - unlike Henry where you can pick up those vacs for £100 or less, SEBO vacs aren't cheap. Thus by price alone they're not going to suit anybody and thus aren't going to be a big seller for private franchises. I bet Henry wouldn't be as popular had those vacuums not been used in schools etc and without the smiling face as a public attractant. Years ago I sold my best mate a SEBO K3 Vulcano. He's had it for about 5 years now and it just doesn't let him down. He has no interest in vacuums but wanted something powerful and reliable. He bought it after I showed photos online. He eventually visited me in Scotland, tried the K3 Vulcano and declared that he loved it and bought it from me because he knew I'd give him a fair price than the high prices new. I warned him that bags wouldn't be available to buy at the "local high street" but as he was relocating to Luton, where there seems to be a private shop in Letchworth who happen to sell SEBO was just a coincidence. But even now he buys the filters and parts online. | ||
| Post# 256689 , Reply# 18 11/17/2013 at 16:26 (3,804 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Sebo aren't into vogue..
They were never that popular UNTIL the internet came alone, Steve and thus market saturation for domestic buyers came into play. You must be aware of that and we as collectors can never question how popular SEBO commercial uprights are until you realise that as a company, their products are popular BUT without the internet showing the evidence! As you rightly point out, the commercial vacuums may well have been popular with cleaners as were the Karcher vacs before they went mainstream and started to sell at Argos as well. But then you have to look at other brands who don't sell at Argos such as:
Nilco Victor Other commercial companies who retain as much a high reputation as SEBO do yet don't appear to sell at Argos or Tesco. The difference at the end of the day is that SEBO are a commercial vacuum cleaner company who offer the bonus of domestic models. There is also a big difference of a vacuum cleaner company who produce vacuums and nothing else and SEBO have done well with their worldwide success with the commercial uprights. They have played it safe, merging with trader cleaning companies such as Windsor in the U.S who for many years and continue to do, have SEBO derived vacuums on their sales books. Where are Dyson's commercial uprights? There was the Constant Max but wasn't it problematic? Dyson is different - he had already set the ball rolling with his ball barrow quite literally to development of the bagless vacuum starting in Japan and the U.S before DC01 was properly built and sold in the UK. Then other appliances like the washing machine came (where is it now?) and now the hand driers, which has of course has given Dyson a slice of the commercial, industrial market, but not yet in vacuums. Have SEBO done the same? No they have stuck to their roots and they've done their development differently. Thirdly. Argos and others have deserted SEBO because SEBO vacs are not high sellers. I wrote to Argos one year asking why they stopped selling SEBO and the reason was the lack of demand for the vacuums. It isn't the fault of SEBO or any brand who choose to have their products put out on the mainstream market at franchises. Ironically enough, Comet also sold SEBO uprights and managed to gain a good high sales factor with their uprights but the cylinder vacs didn't sell well. As reiterated in my previous post, average buyers are not prepared to pay top price for a bagged upright - one reason to why John Lewis and Euronics were forced to demand exclusive models from SEBO so that buyers couldn't argue the low price high price battle between sellers. Already it has had a knock on effect - Argos and others don't appear to sell every model of the Miele S7 bagged upright. Bagless is not the way to go just yet - SEBO have no interest in developing bagless vacuums because the commercial market that they cater for has not demanded bagless vacuums - and for good reason. Until bagless vacuums have been made with 100% hygiene that eliminates dust getting clogged up the shroud and a lifetime filter that doesn't require washing to prolong its use, then perhaps SEBO may well consider it - but the commercial market would have to demand it in the first place for SEBO and other commercial vac companies to sit up and take notice. Also as a bonus already developed in the commercial market, most commercial vacuums are already low in power and SEBO can relax in that area, where eco motors are concerned. Their new D Professional commercial cylinder vacuum has 1200 watts. | ||
| Post# 256691 , Reply# 19 11/17/2013 at 16:35 (3,804 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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Quote sebo_fan : "Sebo aren't into vogue?"
lol, I think you will find they are ;-) CLICK HERE TO GO TO madabouthoovers's LINK | ||
| Post# 256693 , Reply# 20 11/17/2013 at 16:38 (3,804 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well they weren't when the DART was released - which was the first model to be launched - I know as I bought the DART first before the Felix came onto the market.
When a vacuum cleaner like SEBO release the original model as a commercial upright before the fancy colours of the domestic model, you have to question where their priorities are - and again they have stuck to their roots. Also, why have Miele not entered the commercial upright market, or for that matter any of the other major brands who produce bagged uprights? I think the last one that sold in the UK similar to SEBO was the Electrolux Professional Z1920A, a model that I quite liked, but high street franchises soon dropped the prices on them due to a lack of demand - a real pity because they look and sound like a good commercial upright - see Roger's video of Kim Woodburn on the Gadget Show. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 256695 , Reply# 22 11/17/2013 at 17:03 (3,804 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Also Steve, - SEBO's cylinder vacs do not have commercial counterparts, thus were created purely for the domestic market, a change of idea that SEBO only played around with when they brought out their larger C series cylinder vacuum. To my knowledge there was never a C series commercial cylinder vacuum until later this year SEBO brought out the D Professional for the commercial market. Things are thus changing for the SEBO company, but it can take a long time.
The Felix has been a good seller for them, but SEBO are playing to the heartstrings that others have done, swapping glittery paint finishes for fancy outer exhaust covers. But, even when considering model per model, say a Miele S6 compared to the SEBO K1 series, you can clearly tell that even if the SEBO vacuum is made for the domestic model, they don't adorn their machines with bits of silvery metal that will fade in time or fancy added LED lights like the Miele S8, let alone apply glossy and fancy lights aplenty. They also don't have flimsy doors or places that are likely to break. Again, the emphasis is commercial based - more durable plastics, bigger detailing on practical elements compared to Miele, maybe one or two LED lights at the most. Not all products are the same - I mean, I can't seem to find any Vorwerks at John Lewis, let alone any other high street franchise and I would dearly like to try a Lindhaus before purchase - but again you're limited by those brands who choose not to sell at high street outlets. I think you do have to make compromises - like when you go into Currys etc and find that the filter you bought for your Dyson has sold out and thus have to wait until stocks come in - or buy online. | ||
| Post# 256697 , Reply# 23 11/17/2013 at 17:13 (3,804 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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I believe Lindhaus are now part of Truvox, which is owned by the US firm Tacony, who sell Riccar and Simplicity in the US CLICK HERE TO GO TO madabouthoovers's LINK | ||
| Post# 256716 , Reply# 24 11/17/2013 at 20:39 (3,803 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 256835 , Reply# 25 11/18/2013 at 17:36 (3,803 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Steve, have a look - taken from a pdf link from Hoover's facebook page link to a cleaning magazine where Hoover have promoted their GreenRay eco vacuums. I flicked through the online magazine link and found this:
It appears to be an advert for SEBO's commercial uprights. Never let it be said that SEBO don't do adverts. 
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| Post# 256879 , Reply# 28 11/19/2013 at 02:27 (3,802 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well it goes both ways - the more "popular" Dysons are, the more you have to question why there are so many on EBay and why people want to sell them off? On account that you get more spares for Dyson than Henry speaks volumes, never mind the amount of SEBOs you get second hand from EBay.
If you're looking for a brand new SEBO, I'd give Sebo UK a phone and buy from them directly. This post was last edited 11/19/2013 at 02:47 | ||
| Post# 257392 , Reply# 30 11/23/2013 at 15:01 (3,798 days old) by RootCyclone (East Midlands,UK.) | ||
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about a 1/3 of UK homes have a Dyson Well, Tayyab, that wouldn't mean every street has one. Every household isn't the same I'm afraid. It would also depend from house to house, my next door neighbour don't have a Dyson, so that isn't everyone :P | ||
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