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Sebo BS46 Comfort - Schools new hoover!
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Post# 255302   11/5/2013 at 13:56 (1,659 days old) by numatic99 (Southampton)        

Hi people, haven't posted on here in Ages because since I offered and sold my old hoover on here, I haven't had much to talk about! Anyway, since a large wash-in, my hoover interest has got bigger, still waiting to get my new one through! Anyway, enough said and lets move onto the topic.

So today at school we got a new Sebo BS46 comfort. The old Sebo BS46 has a fault with the head, the 'check brush' light keeps illuminating 90% of the time it's in use, but it still works. The Sebo was unpacked and put together by my friend who goes to the school and also likes hoovers (working on getting him on here) put it together and as I came down the stairs...he'd put it together. Rats! But I saw it do its first quick run, it hoovered the reception like a dream! We are putting the old Sebo upstairs and the new one down, where the old one was. As I clean after school twice a week, I deliberately opted to clean downstairs, even though I hate cleaning downstairs for an hour and a half, the thought of using a brand new Sebo...I just had to. I would use a Henry for 3 rooms and a bit of the old corridor, then the Sebo (both) for the rest of the corridor and music dept. But apart from the stairs I used it for everything. It is a great performer, it's lighter than the other one by far but they both perform very good. I did take 4 poor quality photos on my phone, after re-looking through them I decided not to post them, but I will bring in my camera on Thursday and take a picture, maybe even video and use it if I'm lucky enough. I prefer the Sebo over the Henrys simply because ALL the Henry hoovers have the Airo Brush head on them, and they are forever getting broken with long stringy hair and the fact people slam their guitars and equipment on them/into them, means they're going to break easy! But the Sebo doesn't clog, doesn't break and the wheels certainly don't snap off and roll to the other end of the room!

Enough said, I'm getting distracted by the fireworks outside now, and I've typed all I can type now, so I'll see what I can do pic wise, a pic of the old and a pic of the new, possible video of the new one is likely but there's a slim chance of the old one being filmed.

I will link you to the product page below...so you can see the specs and what it looks like, but I'm not certain that the old one is a BS46...I think it is...will check tomorrow.

Chris.


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Post# 255306 , Reply# 1   11/5/2013 at 14:37 (1,659 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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it's a vacuum cleaner, not a Hoover ;).

Good choice with the BS46, though.


Post# 255316 , Reply# 2   11/5/2013 at 15:36 (1,659 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Make sure the old one doesn't get thrown out Chris! Why not ask if you can have it? :P

Joe


Post# 255342 , Reply# 3   11/5/2013 at 16:29 (1,659 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Indeed, Chris, I mean it would be an insult to Hoover to call it that name.

Post# 255343 , Reply# 4   11/5/2013 at 16:50 (1,659 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
it would be an insult to Hoover to call it that name

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Hoover were so far behind, they wouldn't even know what a Sebo was, let alone how much BETTER it is. All you'd get is blank faces from people still thinking disposable paper bags were high tech.

Post# 255359 , Reply# 5   11/6/2013 at 00:19 (1,658 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

That Sebo looks like the American Hoover Dubl-Duty, XXX UltraPower & Aerus/Lux ProLux uprights

Post# 255360 , Reply# 6   11/6/2013 at 02:49 (1,658 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Alex, one day, I swear, me and Chris will buy you a Sebo D4. Tongue out


Post# 255361 , Reply# 7   11/6/2013 at 02:56 (1,658 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
That Sebo looks like the American Hoover Dubl-Duty

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Actually, it's the other way around - the Hoover is a copy of the Sebo. That design of Sebo has been in use since 1986 with slight modifications made in 1991.

Joe,I'll be buying myself a D4 before I buy Alex one :P


Post# 255365 , Reply# 8   11/6/2013 at 03:04 (1,658 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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How about we buy 5 then? 1 for you, 1 for me, and 3 for Alex! Laughing


Post# 255369 , Reply# 9   11/6/2013 at 03:21 (1,658 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
How about we buy 5 then?

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Yeh, sure, why not - I regularly have 1500 lying around to spend willy nilly

Post# 255370 , Reply# 10   11/6/2013 at 03:32 (1,658 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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We'll have to enter the "Win A Sebo" competition a lot...


Post# 255411 , Reply# 11   11/6/2013 at 17:00 (1,658 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Insult to Hoover?

Hoover have licensed the Dubl Duty from SEBO, as well as the one sold by Oreck. And oodles of others....


Post# 255462 , Reply# 12   11/7/2013 at 04:20 (1,657 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Don't even go there, Ryan...

The phrases "a brick wall" and "talking to" spring to mind...


Post# 255561 , Reply# 13   11/7/2013 at 19:05 (1,657 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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But Ryan it is not the same Hoover, that is up to TTI to license it, not "Hoover" and I am talking 20 years ago models, not models from now!!

Post# 255585 , Reply# 14   11/8/2013 at 00:54 (1,656 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Did you say you were talking about models from 20 years ago? No? I don't see that in your original reply. Sorry I don't have a crystal ball on here with me, either.

Whatever Hoover has made, it is no way the same as a SEBO upright. For starters, I can't remember the last time I saw a department store or a hotel chain using a Hoover commercial upright.

And. if you are referring to Hoover models, 20 years ago, please inform me as to what model you think is better than the SEBO in 1993 - since that is effectively, 20 years ago from this year...


Post# 255586 , Reply# 15   11/8/2013 at 02:14 (1,656 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
inform me as to what model you think is better

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Now, Ryan, what did you have to go and ask a silly question like that for. You know what the answer is.

Post# 255589 , Reply# 16   11/8/2013 at 05:50 (1,656 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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A Turbopower 1? MUCH better than any SEBO upright!

Post# 255590 , Reply# 17   11/8/2013 at 05:59 (1,656 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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And why on earth would you think that I thought it would be an insult to modern Hoovers? Have you seen them, For god sake?!


Post# 255593 , Reply# 18   11/8/2013 at 06:30 (1,656 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
MUCH better than any SEBO upright!

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The only thing I have to say about this comment is this:

Post# 255597 , Reply# 19   11/8/2013 at 08:47 (1,656 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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No? Are you being serious? Turbopower is a dirty air upright with crap loads of airflow and a FAR better brushroll, Chris I think it is better.
The Turbopower 1 does something called glue it's self to the floor, unlike a SEBO X-Series which glides, across the floor, skimming the surface, would be so much better without that awful height adjustment computer!

Ahhhh, rant aside.


Post# 255598 , Reply# 20   11/8/2013 at 08:58 (1,656 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I can't say I've ever had a problem with the Sebo loosing contact with the floor. It only ever did it when I had very low pile carpet on an uneven landing, but since that's been replaced with a lovely thick carpet, it doesn't do it anymore.

I'll never understand the obsession with vacuums "gluing" to the carpet. How much suction do you think it takes to shift a bit of dust? You're not trying to vacuum up the floor underneath and dust mites don't wear seatbelts


Post# 255600 , Reply# 21   11/8/2013 at 09:04 (1,656 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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One gets the impression that you are only saying that because your god sent SEBO doesn't stick....
The reason for the sticking is because you want to feel the vacuum doing something, don't you? I mean otherwise it just feels like an electric sweeper.


Post# 255603 , Reply# 22   11/8/2013 at 09:11 (1,656 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
only saying that because your god sent SEBO doesn't stic

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Not at all, it sticks just fine. It's actually quite tough to push on the new landing carpet (wait until you try my Senior on that carpet, Alex, you'll love it :) ). But carpet "gluing" isn't something I'd find particularly essential regardless.

Post# 255624 , Reply# 23   11/8/2013 at 11:34 (1,656 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The Turbopower 1 is in no way as good as the SEBO X1 Automatic. Oh yes, the TP1 is a dirty fan upright which eventually had side tools and hose fitted to it, which the SEBO has had all along.. However I have respect for old Hoover uprights up until the moment the Purepower arrived and thereafter.

 

However here are few pointers that I must give you as my opinion and why I changed my mind all those years ago as to why SEBO is better. WHETHER or not you choose to agree is entirely up to yourself. Of course I am sure I have missed out quite a few other considerations but here's what I think.

 

FACTS of SEBO X1 vs Hoover TP1

  1. The Sebo has a longer power cord than the Hoover Turbopower 1 can ever dream of. 
  2. The Sebo has that built in tool storage and hose on the side with a great release wand - the original TP1 didn't have tools and buyers were made to fork out for the additional tool kit. When tools etc did appear, they're still not as fast as whipping out the tools, hose and hoister on the Sebo. 
  3. The Sebo comes from a commercial design only made for the domestic market with very few differences. The counterpart from Hoover for a commercial based on the Turbopower 1, is where/what exactly?
  4. Fixing a SEBO X1 doesn't need a degree in electrical knowledge and has parts and spares that are easy to fit without the fear of breaking anything else on the machine - not what I found with some of my TP1's!
  5. The plastics on the SEBO are far better made in general. So unlike some of the parts on the TP1.
  6. The noise of the TP1 is far too high compared to that of the original X1.
  7. Pushing the TP1 can be a struggle despite its height adjustments that you have do manually. SEBO is far lighter to push and pull.
  8. The filtration aspect on the TP1 - need I say more. Useless for pet owners and doesn't leave the air smelling clean.
  9. Brush roll on the X1 can be taken out via a press button release and cleaned off, also option to have delicate bristle roll option. 
  10. Added tools available to extend the versatility of the machine. 
  11. A far better sealed suction system that doesn't give off a dirty bin area/leaking dust.
  12. Brush roll shuts off if there's a clog to protect the built. TP1 snaps and requires screws to undo. Also LEDs for full bag warning and brush roll clog indication.
  13. Far easier to remove clogs due to its build design and dismantling procedure.
  14. Far longer duration and quality due to SEBO's build quality and design of the product and designed to run for 1000 hours continuously.
  15. Excellent carpet cleaning performance and on hard floors with no beater bars. Accredited by similar organisations that Hoover has and more!

 

FACTS of Hoover TP1 vs SEBO X1

 

  1. Probable cheaper cost price brand new versus the premium X1.
  2. Bigger dust bag capacity & cost prices of the consumables but with lower filtration. 
  3. Where applicable, dirt searcher added light.
  4. Lighter weight due to Hoover's manufacture and at the time of launch, promoted to be lighter than the "Last of the Classics Junior, Powerplus" models.
  5. Claimed agitator reactivator brush roll with edge cleaning on both sides. 
  6. Lower motor power due to dirty fan design but less suction through the hose. 

 


Post# 255627 , Reply# 24   11/8/2013 at 12:26 (1,656 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Why do you have to exhaust every aspect between the two cleaners?
All I said is that the Turbopower 1 is a far better CLEANER than the SEBO, of course the SEBO carries more benefits over the Turbopower 1, but then again so does the Turbopower 2. But I am sure we know what your point of view is on those!!


Post# 255628 , Reply# 25   11/8/2013 at 12:33 (1,656 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well Im just offering my viewpoint, Alex. You can't get away with just saying that you feel the Hoover is a better CLEANER than the SEBO without much evidence. You don't help yourself when you go on about vacuums 20 years ago either. Fine if it was an Electrolux upright that is no longer made or any other brand for that matter. The fact that the X1.1 and X4 are effectively incredibly similar to the old X1 Auto merely reaffirms that SEBO know they have a good machine on their hands. There are downsides to every vacuum, but only a few on the SEBO and for the fact that you can still buy it NEW.

Whereas the Hoover...


Post# 255630 , Reply# 26   11/8/2013 at 12:36 (1,656 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Also, if you were to offer me the choice between a Hoover Junior U1104 or even the metal bodied 1346 models OR a Turbopower 1, I'd pick the Junior models every time. They're far better built - even the Junior U1104.

Post# 255662 , Reply# 27   11/8/2013 at 16:28 (1,656 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )        
I agree the tp1 is better

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at carpet cleaning I've used may tp1n's and 2 X4's (both on different carpet types) and the turbo power 1 does clean better simply due to its design

 

 



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Post# 255666 , Reply# 28   11/8/2013 at 17:02 (1,656 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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My evidence is - I have used the X4 and I have used the Turbopower 1 and the Turbopower 1 is better and is logocally better anyway just because it is dirty fan.

Post# 255673 , Reply# 29   11/8/2013 at 18:08 (1,656 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well it goes without saying since the TP1 does have manual height adjustment; thus the reason to why I find it harder to push over carpet if the floor head is set at its lowest. I find the SEBO is easier to use because it glides and floats. However, I much prefer the quieter, easier performance aspect all round.

I am trying to wonder how you are jumping to the conclusion that just because the Hoover is a dirty fan upright it is better than the SEBO? If it was the case, wouldn't have Hoover made a commercial upright out of it, let alone continue with the design with models thereafter?


Post# 255677 , Reply# 30   11/8/2013 at 20:33 (1,655 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Now you see, I hate "gliders" I like to feel it doing something but I still want to be able to push it, although the Turbopower 1 can be hard to push, it is not to difficult and I know it is doing a great job.
The Turbopower 2 however doesn't exactly "stick" but it digs into the carpet and has that weight behind it and it feels like it is doing a good job, which it is.
I know the SEBO is decent but I can't stand the skimming/hovering over the carpet, it is like vacuuming with a manual height adjustment vacuum set one setting to high for the particular carpet.
When I have gone from hard floors to carpets with the SEBO it really digs in and I am like ooooo, great, and then....it raises it's self back up to skimming and I am like EYEROLL!!!


Post# 255681 , Reply# 31   11/8/2013 at 22:14 (1,655 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yeah but its still cleaning the carpet. The danger of too much brush roll digging into a carpet isn't good to the drive belt, the brush roll or the carpet. I wore out my parents living room carpet running up and down all day with the Dyson uprights we had. If ever there was an upright to destroy a carpet, go over it with a Dyson - the suction "all the time" takes off more than deep down dirt, worse if you continually have an upright in the lowest height possible.

For years I was that conventional upright fan just like you. But then when the carpet physically starts to get bare around you, its time to stop or move onto a new model that isn't as abrasive.

Same with my Vax VCU02 - its a dirty fan upright but I can't go cleaning my woollen carpets all the time with it because it is too harsh - just like an Oreck XL, its saving grace is that it is light to push, but not as light as the SEBO X series and doesn't have a hose/tools on board.


Post# 255691 , Reply# 32   11/9/2013 at 01:53 (1,655 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Carpet sealing causing damage?

I think it more has to do with the brushes itself really i noticed you said a dyson caused damage to the carpet some models of dysons have very stiff brushes to the point where they are sharp to the touch the best example i can think of is the DC-17 it has very short and sharp brushes which if you were to put your hand to the brushroll while it's running it's quite painful.

Post# 255693 , Reply# 33   11/9/2013 at 02:06 (1,655 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Some Dyson brushrolls-would be good if you needed a floor grinder!Vacs "Sticking" to the carpet-may be good to demonstrate the rules of physics-but USELESS for cleaning-you get NO airflow in the "stick" condition.No matter what the vacuum it must be able to MOVE the AIR to MOVE the dirt from whatever you are vacuuming.The "sticking" demonstrates the power of atmosperic pressure.If we weren't sorrounded by "air" our vacuums no matter what type or brand would be USELESS.

Post# 255698 , Reply# 34   11/9/2013 at 05:50 (1,655 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I just like the feeling of a vacuum clinging to the carpet and not just gliding over the surface with no feeling of suction at all.
Am I getting the impression that dirty fan is not the way to go? If so, I disagree, I like the clean fans for everyday simplicity, but for serious cleaning, GET A GOOD OLD DIRTY FAN :D


Post# 255700 , Reply# 35   11/9/2013 at 06:26 (1,655 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I like the solid vibration of the floor and carpet when I use my Kirbys,metal Royals,or Sanitaires, Hoover Convertables-you hear,feel,and can see the dirt being picked up-and the tings and clacks thru the fans act as audible feedback the vac is doing the job.Of the vacs I use--feel the Sebos do the best job of the clean air machines out there.The dirty air machines are my favorites,too.

Post# 255705 , Reply# 36   11/9/2013 at 07:26 (1,655 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I know the SEBO is good, it is just I wish I could feel how good it is.

Post# 255713 , Reply# 37   11/9/2013 at 10:43 (1,655 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well to be fair, the SEBO does things that no other upright on the UK market does any more. I mean when the bag clogs, the system switches off to protect the motor and over heating. I think that was a saving grace on a lot of high end Hoover cylinder vacs in the 1980s. Same with the brush roll that comes out at a touch of a button. Granted it has a life time belt but again you're forgetting that whilst the SEBO has been made for sale in the domestic market, these are aspects that are more generic to the commercial field because SEBO were the company to put them in place, as well as probably followed by others.

The only aspect nowadays that most other brands are now beginning to develop is lifetime belts and brush roll reset action now offered for example on the Vax Mach Air series and plenty of others. Also other brands are now starting to offer easier ways to clean the brush roll than removing screws on the sole plate (cue Vax Mach Air again with its clips)

It is like Numatic's Henry - the tub vacuums don't have on board tool storage "proper" like a sledge style domestic model where tools can be hidden away like the Miele S5, S8 etc - and they don't have the best handle before the suction tubes - but its generic industrial/commercial design lends itself to cleaning the best way it can, regardless of those features.

End of the day SEBO aren't making vacuums for the fun of it and their commercial market expertise is reflected in the way the X1 was designed. I suppose in years to come you could buy the rare G2 model that has a manual height adjustment - only then I suppose, will you see the best of what that SEBO design has to offer - or try the BS36 which also has manual height adjustment.





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