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Thread Number: 22831
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| Post# 255306 , Reply# 1 11/5/2013 at 14:37 (3,823 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 255316 , Reply# 2 11/5/2013 at 15:36 (3,823 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 255342 , Reply# 3 11/5/2013 at 16:29 (3,823 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 255343 , Reply# 4 11/5/2013 at 16:50 (3,823 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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it would be an insult to Hoover to call it that name | ||
| Post# 255359 , Reply# 5 11/6/2013 at 00:19 (3,822 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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That Sebo looks like the American Hoover Dubl-Duty, XXX UltraPower & Aerus/Lux ProLux uprights | ||
| Post# 255360 , Reply# 6 11/6/2013 at 02:49 (3,822 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 255361 , Reply# 7 11/6/2013 at 02:56 (3,822 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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That Sebo looks like the American Hoover Dubl-Duty | ||
| Post# 255365 , Reply# 8 11/6/2013 at 03:04 (3,822 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 255369 , Reply# 9 11/6/2013 at 03:21 (3,822 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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How about we buy 5 then? | ||
| Post# 255370 , Reply# 10 11/6/2013 at 03:32 (3,822 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 255411 , Reply# 11 11/6/2013 at 17:00 (3,822 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 255462 , Reply# 12 11/7/2013 at 04:20 (3,821 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 255561 , Reply# 13 11/7/2013 at 19:05 (3,821 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 255585 , Reply# 14 11/8/2013 at 00:54 (3,820 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Did you say you were talking about models from 20 years ago? No? I don't see that in your original reply. Sorry I don't have a crystal ball on here with me, either.
Whatever Hoover has made, it is no way the same as a SEBO upright. For starters, I can't remember the last time I saw a department store or a hotel chain using a Hoover commercial upright. And. if you are referring to Hoover models, 20 years ago, please inform me as to what model you think is better than the SEBO in 1993 - since that is effectively, 20 years ago from this year... | ||
| Post# 255586 , Reply# 15 11/8/2013 at 02:14 (3,820 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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inform me as to what model you think is better | ||
| Post# 255589 , Reply# 16 11/8/2013 at 05:50 (3,820 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 255590 , Reply# 17 11/8/2013 at 05:59 (3,820 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 255593 , Reply# 18 11/8/2013 at 06:30 (3,820 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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MUCH better than any SEBO upright! | ||
| Post# 255597 , Reply# 19 11/8/2013 at 08:47 (3,820 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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No? Are you being serious? Turbopower is a dirty air upright with crap loads of airflow and a FAR better brushroll, Chris I think it is better.
The Turbopower 1 does something called glue it's self to the floor, unlike a SEBO X-Series which glides, across the floor, skimming the surface, would be so much better without that awful height adjustment computer! Ahhhh, rant aside. | ||
| Post# 255598 , Reply# 20 11/8/2013 at 08:58 (3,820 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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I can't say I've ever had a problem with the Sebo loosing contact with the floor. It only ever did it when I had very low pile carpet on an uneven landing, but since that's been replaced with a lovely thick carpet, it doesn't do it anymore.
I'll never understand the obsession with vacuums "gluing" to the carpet. How much suction do you think it takes to shift a bit of dust? You're not trying to vacuum up the floor underneath and dust mites don't wear seatbelts | ||
| Post# 255600 , Reply# 21 11/8/2013 at 09:04 (3,820 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 255603 , Reply# 22 11/8/2013 at 09:11 (3,820 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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only saying that because your god sent SEBO doesn't stic | ||
| Post# 255624 , Reply# 23 11/8/2013 at 11:34 (3,820 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The Turbopower 1 is in no way as good as the SEBO X1 Automatic. Oh yes, the TP1 is a dirty fan upright which eventually had side tools and hose fitted to it, which the SEBO has had all along.. However I have respect for old Hoover uprights up until the moment the Purepower arrived and thereafter.
However here are few pointers that I must give you as my opinion and why I changed my mind all those years ago as to why SEBO is better. WHETHER or not you choose to agree is entirely up to yourself. Of course I am sure I have missed out quite a few other considerations but here's what I think.
FACTS of SEBO X1 vs Hoover TP1
FACTS of Hoover TP1 vs SEBO X1
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| Post# 255627 , Reply# 24 11/8/2013 at 12:26 (3,820 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Why do you have to exhaust every aspect between the two cleaners?
All I said is that the Turbopower 1 is a far better CLEANER than the SEBO, of course the SEBO carries more benefits over the Turbopower 1, but then again so does the Turbopower 2. But I am sure we know what your point of view is on those!! | ||
| Post# 255628 , Reply# 25 11/8/2013 at 12:33 (3,820 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well Im just offering my viewpoint, Alex. You can't get away with just saying that you feel the Hoover is a better CLEANER than the SEBO without much evidence. You don't help yourself when you go on about vacuums 20 years ago either. Fine if it was an Electrolux upright that is no longer made or any other brand for that matter. The fact that the X1.1 and X4 are effectively incredibly similar to the old X1 Auto merely reaffirms that SEBO know they have a good machine on their hands. There are downsides to every vacuum, but only a few on the SEBO and for the fact that you can still buy it NEW.
Whereas the Hoover... | ||
| Post# 255630 , Reply# 26 11/8/2013 at 12:36 (3,820 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 255662 , Reply# 27 11/8/2013 at 16:28 (3,820 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
I agree the tp1 is better at carpet cleaning I've used may tp1n's and 2 X4's (both on different carpet types) and the turbo power 1 does clean better simply due to its design
CLICK HERE TO GO TO thekirbylover's LINK This post was last edited 11/08/2013 at 17:04 | ||
| Post# 255666 , Reply# 28 11/8/2013 at 17:02 (3,820 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 255673 , Reply# 29 11/8/2013 at 18:08 (3,820 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well it goes without saying since the TP1 does have manual height adjustment; thus the reason to why I find it harder to push over carpet if the floor head is set at its lowest. I find the SEBO is easier to use because it glides and floats. However, I much prefer the quieter, easier performance aspect all round.
I am trying to wonder how you are jumping to the conclusion that just because the Hoover is a dirty fan upright it is better than the SEBO? If it was the case, wouldn't have Hoover made a commercial upright out of it, let alone continue with the design with models thereafter? | ||
| Post# 255677 , Reply# 30 11/8/2013 at 20:33 (3,820 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Now you see, I hate "gliders" I like to feel it doing something but I still want to be able to push it, although the Turbopower 1 can be hard to push, it is not to difficult and I know it is doing a great job.
The Turbopower 2 however doesn't exactly "stick" but it digs into the carpet and has that weight behind it and it feels like it is doing a good job, which it is. I know the SEBO is decent but I can't stand the skimming/hovering over the carpet, it is like vacuuming with a manual height adjustment vacuum set one setting to high for the particular carpet. When I have gone from hard floors to carpets with the SEBO it really digs in and I am like ooooo, great, and then....it raises it's self back up to skimming and I am like EYEROLL!!! | ||
| Post# 255681 , Reply# 31 11/8/2013 at 22:14 (3,820 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Yeah but its still cleaning the carpet. The danger of too much brush roll digging into a carpet isn't good to the drive belt, the brush roll or the carpet. I wore out my parents living room carpet running up and down all day with the Dyson uprights we had. If ever there was an upright to destroy a carpet, go over it with a Dyson - the suction "all the time" takes off more than deep down dirt, worse if you continually have an upright in the lowest height possible.
For years I was that conventional upright fan just like you. But then when the carpet physically starts to get bare around you, its time to stop or move onto a new model that isn't as abrasive. Same with my Vax VCU02 - its a dirty fan upright but I can't go cleaning my woollen carpets all the time with it because it is too harsh - just like an Oreck XL, its saving grace is that it is light to push, but not as light as the SEBO X series and doesn't have a hose/tools on board. | ||
| Post# 255691 , Reply# 32 11/9/2013 at 01:53 (3,819 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
Carpet sealing causing damage?
I think it more has to do with the brushes itself really i noticed you said a dyson caused damage to the carpet some models of dysons have very stiff brushes to the point where they are sharp to the touch the best example i can think of is the DC-17 it has very short and sharp brushes which if you were to put your hand to the brushroll while it's running it's quite painful.
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| Post# 255698 , Reply# 34 11/9/2013 at 05:50 (3,819 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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I just like the feeling of a vacuum clinging to the carpet and not just gliding over the surface with no feeling of suction at all.
Am I getting the impression that dirty fan is not the way to go? If so, I disagree, I like the clean fans for everyday simplicity, but for serious cleaning, GET A GOOD OLD DIRTY FAN :D | ||
| Post# 255705 , Reply# 36 11/9/2013 at 07:26 (3,819 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 255713 , Reply# 37 11/9/2013 at 10:43 (3,819 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well to be fair, the SEBO does things that no other upright on the UK market does any more. I mean when the bag clogs, the system switches off to protect the motor and over heating. I think that was a saving grace on a lot of high end Hoover cylinder vacs in the 1980s. Same with the brush roll that comes out at a touch of a button. Granted it has a life time belt but again you're forgetting that whilst the SEBO has been made for sale in the domestic market, these are aspects that are more generic to the commercial field because SEBO were the company to put them in place, as well as probably followed by others.
The only aspect nowadays that most other brands are now beginning to develop is lifetime belts and brush roll reset action now offered for example on the Vax Mach Air series and plenty of others. Also other brands are now starting to offer easier ways to clean the brush roll than removing screws on the sole plate (cue Vax Mach Air again with its clips) It is like Numatic's Henry - the tub vacuums don't have on board tool storage "proper" like a sledge style domestic model where tools can be hidden away like the Miele S5, S8 etc - and they don't have the best handle before the suction tubes - but its generic industrial/commercial design lends itself to cleaning the best way it can, regardless of those features. End of the day SEBO aren't making vacuums for the fun of it and their commercial market expertise is reflected in the way the X1 was designed. I suppose in years to come you could buy the rare G2 model that has a manual height adjustment - only then I suppose, will you see the best of what that SEBO design has to offer - or try the BS36 which also has manual height adjustment. | ||
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