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Post# 253923   10/25/2013 at 16:55 (3,828 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Hi Vacuumlanders,
I am considering getting my first decent bagged vacuum. we have been using Dyson for several years on our thin pile carpets. We are going to get thick wall to wall plush soon so need a good vacuum and are considering Sebo, of course we will still keep Dysons for daily vacuuming etc
so I have a few questions if you do not mind, Thanks.
1) I see some youtube videos, they claim to be deep cleaners but are the bristles soft? they look like it on the X4 vacs
2) Which Sebo's actually have good stiff bristles?
which one cleans the best?
3)Tell me about your Sebo? :)
Thank you all


Post# 253927 , Reply# 1   10/25/2013 at 17:17 (3,828 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Oh PS would the X1 or X4 clean better than a Hoover Turbo power 2 or TP 3?
Cheers


Post# 253930 , Reply# 2   10/25/2013 at 17:51 (3,828 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I have a Sebo X4 Extra and a Hoover TP2. The X4 is a much better made vac, and has the electronic control system that adjusts the head height to the optimum level to make pushing it around very easy. Its also slightly heavier than the TP2 and has the benefit that the cable is longer and the brush is removeable easier than the TP2. There are different brushrolls available for the X4 from Sebo website, and these have differing stiffness of the brushes. The standard hose on the X4 is short, but the X4 Extra gives you an extension hose which will do up the stairs to the top. The Sebo is also quieter in use and has more power than the TP2. It has well priced bags at about a tenner for 10 5093ER type I think without looking. The computer also shuts down the motor if it detects a blockage or full bag. It also shuts down the motor if the brushroll gets jammed, as both the X4 and the TP2 have non-stoppable brushrolls (but the Felix does allow you to turn off the brushroll). The X4 does however use a lifetime toothed belt system so no worry about belt stretch like on the TP2.

I'd go with the X4 any day over the TP2.

The X1 is the predecessor to the X4 and X1.1 and is the older style launched 20 odd years ago, but still looks similar.

The X4 and X1.1 are very similar, just the difference in motor power and colours. I'd say for your family it might make a good buy, as its pretty much foolproof, but its not indestructible though, and prices are high, even for second hand ones.

 

There is a nice X1.1 going here in Stoke - the seller, Mr Ali has been trying to sell this for a while now, and he has done some work on it too:



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Post# 253931 , Reply# 3   10/25/2013 at 18:00 (3,828 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )        
I own a sebo felix and used a x4

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both were good I prefer the felix though, the X series would be an excellent choice for your home it will take some getting used to I recommend the X4 extra as it comes with a extra length hose, or you could try the X1 it is from the 90s but is basically the same thing plus they are cheaper to buy

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Post# 253958 , Reply# 4   10/26/2013 at 04:13 (3,828 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Steve: Thank you for he brief explanation of the X4. I am now convinced it will be a good buy but I wasn't expecting it to be heavy or not indestructible. It should be an OK vacuum, I guess I will use the Dysons for stair cleaning, hard floors, large area rugs etc. I was considering either an ensign SM2 whick looks like a Sebo but got a larger head. Thank you, I really appreciate it.
Michael: Wow! what a coincidence lol as I was watching that X1 :P I will try to get a felix one day hopefully

I feel so stupid, there was a mint Sebo X4 in red for £5 working at the carboot sale and I never got it, it was just standing there looking pretty and waiting to be bought, I wonder why it was that cheap


Post# 253960 , Reply# 5   10/26/2013 at 04:17 (3,828 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

The sebo looking vacuum

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Post# 253961 , Reply# 6   10/26/2013 at 04:23 (3,828 days old) by jord123 (new malden surrey london)        

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also sebo are top fill so you get full use of every bag

Post# 253962 , Reply# 7   10/26/2013 at 04:37 (3,828 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The X4 is 7.4Kg so its not exactly heavy, but nevertheless its not a light vac either. The Felix is not that much lighter at 6.8Kg despite looking a lightweight vac. Bear in mind the Vax Mach Air is 5Kg, and the Miele S7 is nearly 10Kg, so the Sebo is somewhere in between.

The X4 and X1.1 were not designed to clean hard floors, so if you have more hard floor than carpet then the Felix would be a better bet, as it has a twin motor design where the brush can be turned off. The computer on the X4 will just try to lower the head on a hard floor till it senses that the brushroll has contacted the floor, which is not ideal.

 

The commercial version (The BS36 / BS46) has a manual head adjustment and L shaped head but although it has a separate brush motor the brush cannot be turned off for hard floors and automatically comes on when the vacuum is reclined.


Post# 253963 , Reply# 8   10/26/2013 at 04:41 (3,828 days old) by RootCyclone (East Midlands,UK.)        
It's gotta be an X series!

If you want a good looking Sebo that does a great Job then get an X1.1 or an X4. However, if you want versatility, then I'd go for the Sebo Felix with the hard floor nozzle you can buy for it. Also, it has a very good swivel neck that manoeuvres really well to get into tight spots.

The Felix also comes with as standard a power head, this can be turned on or off depending on your floor type.

Give a Sebo a go Tayyab, you'll like it! :)


Post# 253964 , Reply# 9   10/26/2013 at 06:10 (3,828 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Thanks Guys :D I want an X Series, if I am happy, Sebo would be in my good books, if I hate it (which I will doubt) then I would never trust it

Post# 253970 , Reply# 10   10/26/2013 at 10:03 (3,827 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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WELL, where do I begin.

I've had Sebo vacuums now for 6 years. Here is a list of features that I like:

- the brushroll on the Sebo is very dense and stiff, so it really grooms the carpet pile and gets into the fibres
- the top fill bag means you can REALLY cram it full before it needs changing and because the S class filter runs the length of the bag chamber up the side of the bag, suction loss is minimal as the bag fills.
- I've found the computer control height adjustment works brilliantly and means that the vacuum, though quite large and heavy to lift, is a breeze to use.
- the machine can be completely dismantled and every part is accessible, so if the unit should become blocked for whatever reason, it's VERY easy to clear
- Sebo guarantee the belt for the life of the machine - you should never have to buy a replacement belt
- The X range CAN be used on any floortype, without having to switch the brushroll off. I use mine on the laminate all the time, but if you have a mixture of different floortypes, the Felix is far more versatile for that
- All parts are easily accessible and replaceable, should anything need it
- the cleaner is VERY solid and well built
- the integral quick draw wand is great for getting into corners and around the edges of the carpet, without actually have to turn the machine off or even put it upright. It's very quick to do so.
- the cleaner vacuums flat to the floor so you can get under furniture and in tight spaces VERY easily
- at only 1150w or 1300w, the cleaner doesn't heat up the room like a lot of cheaper, higher wattage machines.
- the cord is long enough to abseil down. I can vacuum my whole house without changing plug sockets

A few things I don't like:

- the hose is short and the cleaner has a habbit of falling over unless you keep 1 hand on the main handle. This does not effect performance and is easily resolved by using the extension hose
- The X1.1 does not come with a dusting brush. Again, this is resolved by either buying the extra part or getting the X4 Extra which includes the dusting brush
- The Automatic X has no brush controls to switch the brushroll off, if needed
- The Felix has quite small bags
- I'm not keen on the exhaust filter situation on the Felix

Hope this helps, Tayyab. As much as Sebo are my favourite, I know everyone has differing opinions. Maybe you should try one out in John Lewis or Currys before you decide you want one, then look online for the best price? Even if you don't switch the cleaner on, it will still give you a good idea of the build quality, weight and comfort of the machine and you can also see for yourself about the brushroll.

Chris


Post# 253971 , Reply# 11   10/26/2013 at 10:06 (3,827 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Here are a few interesting video's that might be able to demonstrate the Sebo better than we can on here:











Post# 253972 , Reply# 12   10/26/2013 at 10:09 (3,827 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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And finally, here is my Sebo. The Automatic X1.1 Euronics Exclusive. I had an X4 before this, which I sold and replaced with a Felix, which I then sold and replaced with the X1.1 (don't ask!), so I've had Sebo vacuums in daily use since 2007. This one is nearly 3 years old now and has been in daily use ever since. It's only ever had 4 bag replacements in it's life (and I have a cat!). I absolutely love it - I honestly couldn't bring myself to part with Sebo cleaners.

Post# 253973 , Reply# 13   10/26/2013 at 10:12 (3,827 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Ok, one last post I promise...

Here are 2 video's I made showing a the agitation of a Dyson DC04 and the agitation of the Sebo x1.1. I'm not intending to slag off Dyson in anyway here - I actually think they're the best bagless cleaner on the market. But use your head, which one of these is going to clean a carpet more effectively? It ain't rocket science...









Also, see link for a very reasonably priced X4 Extra


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Post# 253978 , Reply# 14   10/26/2013 at 10:47 (3,827 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

WOW Chris, that made me feel amazed, it sounds like a very reliable vacuum! I want one now, I hope to get one Thank you so much, I am now speechless, sorry but what a vacuum cleaner! I intend to get the Sebo X series as my next vacuum
Cheers! all of you :)


Post# 253979 , Reply# 15   10/26/2013 at 11:10 (3,827 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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No probs, Tayyab. I would still recommend trying one out before you buy though. Even just go and have a look at one in Currys, Euronics of John Lewis and get a feel for them. That way, you know you won't be disappointed. I'd used a few Sebo's before I bought mine, so I knew I wanted one.

Post# 253987 , Reply# 16   10/26/2013 at 13:47 (3,827 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)        
I think

Chris from Go vacuums is a hottie!

Post# 253988 , Reply# 17   10/26/2013 at 13:48 (3,827 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Chris from Go vacuums is a hottie!

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I quite agree :)

Post# 253995 , Reply# 18   10/26/2013 at 15:46 (3,827 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Chris from Go vacuums is a hottie! 

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He certainly is!!! So is that guy in that Espares video, who showed you how to change a Henry bag...He was wearing a lovely tight cycling top with a nice big watch. :D

Post# 253996 , Reply# 19   10/26/2013 at 16:01 (3,827 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

0_o Getting slightly Kinky on here now...

Post# 253997 , Reply# 20   10/26/2013 at 16:07 (3,827 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Lol

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Indeed, maybe we should (VAX) swiftly move on.

Post# 253998 , Reply# 21   10/26/2013 at 16:11 (3,827 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

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Post# 254000 , Reply# 22   10/26/2013 at 16:13 (3,827 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Yeeees, of course! Why?

Post# 254001 , Reply# 23   10/26/2013 at 16:14 (3,827 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Chris and Alex... are you who I think you are?!?! omg

Post# 254002 , Reply# 24   10/26/2013 at 16:15 (3,827 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

It's always the quiet ones ;) perhaps you've breathed in too much dust & now it's gone to your head :)

Post# 254003 , Reply# 25   10/26/2013 at 16:16 (3,827 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I never knew you were :O omg

Post# 254004 , Reply# 26   10/26/2013 at 16:18 (3,827 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Are you actually?

Post# 254005 , Reply# 27   10/26/2013 at 16:20 (3,827 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

NO I am not gay

Post# 254006 , Reply# 28   10/26/2013 at 16:20 (3,827 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Theres more gay people than I thought :O I am just so shocked at the moment, whoah

Post# 254007 , Reply# 29   10/26/2013 at 16:22 (3,827 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Yes, why?

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Is there an issue or something? Lol. Yes, Tayyab it is the same Alex...Yes, I am "actually" gay and "have been" for a while, infact, all my life. Sorry, if I dissapointed you!

Post# 254009 , Reply# 30   10/26/2013 at 16:22 (3,827 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Like I said i am just surprised, I didnt know you were and we known each other for a very long time

Post# 254012 , Reply# 31   10/26/2013 at 16:28 (3,827 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

No AlexHoovers94 you haven't dissapointed me, I'm not homophobic or anything. Infact I admire you both more now. No issue, no problem at all.

Post# 254015 , Reply# 32   10/26/2013 at 16:34 (3,827 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Oh, don't worry

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Perhaps I took it the wrong way, lol, nevet.

Post# 254016 , Reply# 33   10/26/2013 at 16:35 (3,827 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Many members of vacuumland are gay, I am myself, and speaking of Espares, Mat's my favourite, such a gruff voice:



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Post# 254024 , Reply# 34   10/26/2013 at 17:07 (3,827 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

To be honest, I realised ages ago many members of VL were gay...one was eyeing up my dads legs as one of his legs got caught in a picture. Talk about embarassment but it was funny when I showed my Dad the Profile Picture of the person who said his legs were hot. You should have seen his face (!)

If I can ask a question...how did people react when you told them that you were gay?


Post# 254028 , Reply# 35   10/26/2013 at 17:32 (3,827 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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"If I can ask a question...how did people react when you told them that you were gay?"

My friends didn't give a crap, mum and dad were a bit like, "oh...ok"at first, but they don't mind now, dad makes the occasional homophobic "joke", to which I give him looks that could kill.
Honestly "coming out" isn't such a big deal anymore.

I used to hate being gay, thinking I was weird, or different, but now I LOVE and am proud of being gay, it's great, I think it is wonderful to accept who you are.

Hope you liked my "agony aunt" responce.

Alex.


Post# 254030 , Reply# 36   10/26/2013 at 17:40 (3,827 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

I do have people say I'm gay at School. I'm in Year 10 now & having been called it since Year 7, it dosen't bother me anymore, but I do sometimes look at myself & think 'Am I Gay'?

I mean, I'm not like other boys of my age. I don't have a deep voice, or muscles that make my T-Shirt rip, or have a modern looking hairstyle. I don't like any Sport at all, etc. etc.

However, gay or not, I'm happy being who I am. I'm high spirited, I'm a laugh (apparently, according to others but I don't think so) but I just lack confience & am also apparently Chlaustrophobic (however you spell it).

I am glad that you are happy being who you are. Good for you :)


Post# 254032 , Reply# 37   10/26/2013 at 17:45 (3,827 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )        
HI-LOswitch98

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that second sentence sounded just like me Laughing


Post# 254034 , Reply# 38   10/26/2013 at 17:56 (3,827 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Lol, don't worry to much on the cliche steryotypes, everyone is different, for e.g, I am gay, yet I don't act too camp/flamboint and I hate clothes and shoe shopping and I hate pink. I do fit some of the steryotypes, but some straight guys do aswell.
I knew straight a way that you may of been a bit confused with your sexuality, by you asking that question "how did people react?" But there is no rush, don't worry about it to much, you will be what you are...Be it gay, straight or bisexual, follow your heart and don't let others pressure you into something you are not.

Alex.


Post# 254038 , Reply# 39   10/26/2013 at 18:03 (3,827 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Thanks Alex, that helped :)

Post# 254040 , Reply# 40   10/26/2013 at 18:08 (3,827 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Aye, no problem...God, I should be a bloody social worker! HA

Post# 254041 , Reply# 41   10/26/2013 at 18:08 (3,827 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Its amazing how the kids at school always seem to know. I was at school in the 80's and it was more frowned upon then than it is now, and I got called all kinds of horrible names and bullied as well. Its not nice and during PE, no-one wants you on their team.

On VL you have to think really, how many straight men are going to be obsessed with vacuuming and vacuums, or even any kind of housework? so is it any surprise that many members are in fact gay?

I knew Alexhoovers was gay the second I heard him speaking on his youtube vids. Gay people can often spot other gay people easily.

Although quite how Beerad brought the Gay issue onto a Sebo thread out of the blue I don't know?

Perhaps we ought to start a new thread on who is the cutest Espares/GoVacuums presenter?


Post# 254042 , Reply# 42   10/26/2013 at 18:19 (3,827 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Maybe you should Alex...I've heard it's quite a well paid job :)

Madabouthoovers - you're absolutely right about PE lessons, they are horrible. Most Straight Men are probably put off by the fact that doing Vacuuming kills Sperm apparently, but that's the Daily Mail for you, I wouldn't believe anything from them.

Well, I guess you did get a Pink Vax I suppose...not that there is anything wrong with that, we have a Yellow Henry :)


Post# 254049 , Reply# 43   10/26/2013 at 18:26 (3,827 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

So do I, and mine's got a red head as well :


Post# 254052 , Reply# 44   10/26/2013 at 18:29 (3,827 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Same!

Hows the Vax? (ZOOM)


Post# 254054 , Reply# 45   10/26/2013 at 18:30 (3,827 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Steve

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As much as I agree with you, why wouldn't straight guys like vacuums? I mean, they are like cars in a way, vacs are dirty, greasy, often loud, heavy and are a piece of machineary, what bloke wouldn't want that?

By the way, were you serious about that thred?.......(Thinking face)...LOL!


Post# 254056 , Reply# 46   10/26/2013 at 18:37 (3,827 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

You see men reviewing Hair Straighteners, Hairdryers, Vacuums etc. & they say that they are reviewing on behalf of the wife or girlfriend. Methinks they have a little secret but I use a Hairdryer & Indeed Straighteners too. Otherwise my thick hair would take ages to dry by itself.

Men who review on Ciao about Vacuum Cleaners (not Nar2 (Sebo_fan) because he's on here anyway) but other Men seem to go into loads of detail about the Vacuum their reviewing (e.g mentioning All Accessories & where they bought it from). I thought a Man writing an op on a Vacuum would just say this:

'This is a very good hoover, does the job in a few minutes so prevents the wife from nagging me to do the hoovering'. I have actually seen reviews that say that too!

But to be honest any guy who uses Hair Straighteners to me shows that they have an interest in how they present themselves.


Post# 254059 , Reply# 47   10/26/2013 at 18:58 (3,827 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Straight Men that use hair straighteners are Metrosexual, the hip and trendy man about town in touch with his feminine side I suppose. I used them myself when I had longer hair, but now I cant be bothered with it all the time and cut it short on top. Been there and done the hair stuff - at least I've still got it at 41 (My hair that is).

 

(Most) Straight men usually think that hoovering in poncey and a woman's job, and they wouldn't even know how to use a modern vac. My father hardly ever does the hovering and leaves it to my mother, but then moans at her when she uses the vac with a full bin, as she's not very hoover savvy.

 

Am I serious about you being gay Alexhoovers?

The first vid I saw of yours was of the differences between 2 henrys, and just in the way you were talking I knew straight away. The tone and sound of the voice gives you away.

 

Alexhoovers in action:



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Post# 254062 , Reply# 48   10/26/2013 at 19:08 (3,827 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Here's Alexhoovers talking about the Sebo X4 just for Parwaz786 - he gives a good demo of the X4:



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Post# 254095 , Reply# 49   10/27/2013 at 01:51 (3,827 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)        
Ok guys...

I think we could start a "Hottie fan club " for YouTube Vacuum Demonstraters.

How about we start with Chris from Go-vacuums?
What do you think?


Post# 254102 , Reply# 50   10/27/2013 at 04:15 (3,827 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

My Mum always leaves my Dad to do the Hoovering - she says he does a better job!

Post# 254103 , Reply# 51   10/27/2013 at 04:33 (3,827 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Oh god, steve....

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My early videos are beyond terrible anyway, especially THAT one, infact, that was the first video I made which I spoke in...I was nervous and..Just URGH!
I don't think I sound quite as camp in my newer ones, don't get me wrong I am camp but not full on camp like some gay guys, although, I am guilty of having my moments, but mainly around girls!


Post# 254104 , Reply# 52   10/27/2013 at 04:37 (3,827 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Parwaz786 I have had a SEBO Felix 6 years and had no issues. I brought it at the time I had quite a few Dyson vacuums as I was a Dyson Fan (still love seeing what they come up with next!). Since owning the Felix along side my DC07 and DC15 at the beginning I found the Felix groomed the carpet pile better. Since then I don't own a Dyson anymore and don't miss emptying the bin and washing filters.

The only negative I have about the Felix is the short hose like mentioned above but I since purchased the extension hose! Plus I've also got a Miele S7 now along side the felix thought I'd try that!! I don't see me anytime soon having another full size Dyson! Plus the Felix is easy to use and maintain!


Post# 254105 , Reply# 53   10/27/2013 at 04:39 (3,827 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Wooooaahhh this got very gay all of a sudden. All the homo's in the house say "hhheeeyyyyy girl!" LOL !!

Yes, I'm also gay. I told my folks when I was 17 and luckily never faced a negative reaction. Infact, I often find that people really don't care either ways as my sexuality makes no difference to them at all. It's also not a reflection on who I am as a person either - in my experience, an a$$hole is still an a$$hole regardless of if their gay, straight or somewhere in between.

Naturally, neither me or Alex are particularly camp, but we like camp humour (think Carry On-esque innuendo etc) so when we're together, we can REALLY camp it up. We'd make a right pair of drag queens.

Anyway, back on topic....




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Post# 254108 , Reply# 54   10/27/2013 at 06:41 (3,826 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

STEVE!!!!! I am now even more amazed at the fact you are aswell!!!! :O OMg I need a break!

Post# 254110 , Reply# 55   10/27/2013 at 07:36 (3,826 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Tayyab, no offense, but have you been living under a rock? 80% of us are gay :P.

Post# 254111 , Reply# 56   10/27/2013 at 07:53 (3,826 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Tayyab, you believing most of us collectors were not gay is like believing a Turbopower 1 has good filtration.

Post# 254114 , Reply# 57   10/27/2013 at 08:08 (3,826 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

omg I didnt know, I am shocked at this seriously, but I am straight, maybe thats why Im in shock that my mates arent, unless your bi?

Post# 254115 , Reply# 58   10/27/2013 at 08:09 (3,826 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Plus I know nothing about Hoover TurboPower 1's :P Hehe

Post# 254121 , Reply# 59   10/27/2013 at 09:24 (3,826 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
maybe thats why Im in shock, unless your bi

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I most certainly am not bisexual. Neither is Alex.

I don't understand the shock, to be honest, Tayyab. It doesn't make me any different to anyone else. I have friends from all walks of life - male, female, gay, lesbian, straight, bisexual, asian, black, short, tall, blonde's, red heads, fat, thin...it's really not that much of a big deal. Gay men and women are no different to anyone else - we still have jobs, houses, families and relationships that face the same problems as any straight couple would. We can now legally get married and have children (not biologically, of course - thank God!). Anybody you walk past in the street could be gay. It doesn't really matter anymore and it's not a reflection on any of us as people at all.


Post# 254123 , Reply# 60   10/27/2013 at 09:24 (3,826 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Plus I know nothing about Hoover TurboPower 1's

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Turbopower = dirty fan = poor filtration.

Post# 254128 , Reply# 61   10/27/2013 at 09:40 (3,826 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
hi/loswitch,,,

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I have to say, I really admire your honesty in this thread - nice one!!

I wouldn't worry about your appearance. People will call you gay because it's just an easy thing to call you and doesn't take much thought - not a very original insult, is it? Shows the intelligence of the people doing the name calling. And it's hardly an insult anyway.

Appearance means nothing. I know very manly men who are gay and very girly guys who are straight. My ex boyfriend, for example, was a 6ft6 rugby player - you'd never know he was gay. It all boils down to one thing - are you attracted to people of the same sex or the opposite sex? Or both? You're young and you've got plenty of time to figure this stuff out.

I would also like to point out that being gay is NOT a choice or a decision that one makes. I firmly believe, infact I KNOW, I was born gay and there is not scientific proof to back this up. It's all linked to testosterone levels in the womb during development. So whatever happens, it's not like you have a choice in the matter anyway - you're either gay, straight or bisexual and it's a fact.

My advice is to not worry about it or fight anything. Just go with what feels natural, embrace who you are (whoever you are), be honest with yourself and others around you. If people are going to judge you because of your sexuality, then they're incredibly narrow minded and probably not worth your time and attention. This is 2013, not 1913.

Out and proud,
Chris


Post# 254129 , Reply# 62   10/27/2013 at 09:47 (3,826 days old) by RootCyclone (East Midlands,UK.)        

'This 2013, not 1913.'

^Chris' words of wisdom there. Well said mate! :)


Post# 254130 , Reply# 63   10/27/2013 at 09:47 (3,826 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Am I really young? I'm 15 in 17 days :P (November 13th 1998)
OK, Your right, but like I said I never knew you guys were Gay, especially people I known for ages like Steve and Alex.


Post# 254132 , Reply# 64   10/27/2013 at 09:49 (3,826 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Thanks but what do you mean by 'honesty' ?

I'm in Year 10 now, & people still think that being called gay still affects me, not if I've been called it since Year 7, it dosen't bother me anymore. It just makes the boys feel more empowering but to be honest, I'm happy being who I am, even if I am a little fat, I have better dress sense aswell than most of the boys in my school.

But what was really funny was that the Teacher asked people to put their hands up if they were alright with gays in the community & EVERYONE put their hand, so I really don't see what the problem is. It's just school I suppose.





Post# 254133 , Reply# 65   10/27/2013 at 09:52 (3,826 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Well then, I guess the thread has transformed from "Sebo questions" to "Gay questions"

Post# 254136 , Reply# 66   10/27/2013 at 09:59 (3,826 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
It's just school I suppose

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EXACTLY!! School life is totally different to "real life". Once you leave school, your whole view of life will change. I'm pleased that you don't let what other people think or call you affect you in anyway.

My point was, as long as you're being true to who you are, whether your gay, straight or somewhere inbetween, then that's all that counts.

Tayyab, yes you're still young and you've got a lot to learn. I'm 23 and I'm still learning things about life and things about myself everyday. You never really stop learning things.

Also, just to put in perspective, LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) community is made up of 1 in every 7 people. So there's quite a lot of us.


Post# 254137 , Reply# 67   10/27/2013 at 10:06 (3,826 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Thanks Chris :)

I watched Piers Morgans Life Stories - Julian Clary the other week. For most of it I couldn't stop laughing because he was so funny but I liked what Piers said to him; he commented on how well Julian looked like a normal middle aged man & I thought well, you know, he was gay I think yet he still looks like any other man. Theirs probably loads of LGBT people most passin the street everyday.


Post# 254164 , Reply# 68   10/27/2013 at 12:18 (3,826 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)        
Ok guys

I'll start a new hottie thread,,

Post# 254283 , Reply# 69   10/28/2013 at 08:56 (3,825 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Looks like I was late to the post.

Good posts with regard to SEBO. As you know.. well you may not know I've known them for about 15 years.

The crucial aspect to the X1 Automatic is that it has a far lower power than the X1.1 and X4. You'll get better suction right to the end with the X1.1 and X4. Also, all models including the X1 Auto original can take the delicate floor roller which is really for wool carpets and delicate carpets.

However! I have noticed that there isn't as an easier to push movement with the green brush roller type fitted. It is slightly heavier than the smooth gliding aspect of the standard blue one fitted.

Also bear in mind that the brush roll never switches off. It rises automatically off the floor when the handle is locked up into the upright position - but unlike the Felix, it does not switch off EVER, until you hit the on/off button on the handle.

However, despite all that the X series is the only upright I know that will pick up stones, glass and heavier dust than most other conventional uprights. My advice is to go for an X4 as they appear to be slightly cheaper than the X1.1 Most buy the X1.1 from Euronics stores or online purchases only and you're only getting a different colour compared to the blue and yellow X4.


Post# 254289 , Reply# 70   10/28/2013 at 10:19 (3,825 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
as they appear to be slightly cheaper than the X1.1

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That all depends where you shop.

The cheapest price I've found for a new X4Extra is £217.97. The cheapest price I've found for an X1.1 is £194.95 - see below links:

X1.1:
www.e4electricals.com/product.asp...

X4 Extra:
www.tvandvideodirect.co.uk/sebo-9...

The differences between the 2 in terms of performance are virtually none existent. I have noticed no difference in suction or carpet pick up, despite the X4 being 1300w vs. the 1150w of the X1.1. However, the X4 Extra includes the extension hose and dusting brush as standard which are not included with the x1.1. That alone makes the X4 worth the extra £20 or so.


Post# 254293 , Reply# 71   10/28/2013 at 11:08 (3,825 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Ah but Im not talking brand new - Im talking generally and that includes second hand or new.

The X4 is more popular because it appeared in Comet, Currys, Argos, John Lewis etc. Thus going the EBAY route pulls up a few surprises - owners who are selling their X1.1's appear to be higher priced than the X4. You could argue that it depends on the usage and the condition, but I think that applies with everything these days.

The beauty of the SEBO X1.1 and X4 is that yes, there are very few differences.

However, the dusting brush is worth it, if you get the LARGE one. John Lewis who sell X4's sometimes include the Smaller K series based brush which is a waste of money in my opinion - the larger one made for the X series is easier and the bristles don't suck up into the dust channel and get clogged.

Generally, yes whilst the "Extra" may mean an extra extension hose, "Extra" was confusingly marketed poorly previously by a lot of department stores who didn't supply the 3 metre extension hose free of charge.

That is why you get a lot of ex-demo, ex-display SEBO X4 series popping up on EBAY. EBAY seller XS-ltd have good deals generally, sometimes even the newer black and silver PET model comes up because it may lack a tool such as the Extension hose or turbo brush tool.

Ebay uk SEBO X4/New: £210 plus £5-95 delivery: Item 331045799229.

Amazon UK also have £199 for the X1.1 and £219-99 for the X4, both with free delivery.

The X1.1 is a good model - I prefer it Chris (the white colour hides the scratches, red colour, not so but you get the rarity appeal), but due to the fact that it has always been an online seller despite Euronics stocking it and in recent years more private shops are stocking the X1.1 in, the X4 can appear to be cheaper due to its wider availability both online and off.

Also in my experience, buyers will go for the X4 in long term when sold off, they always go with the higher power, even if collectors or owners say otherwise!



Post# 254295 , Reply# 72   10/28/2013 at 11:16 (3,825 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
because it appeared in Comet, Currys, Argos, John Lewis etc

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Actually, the X4 never appeared in Argos. Argos sold the white x1.1 for a while but it was pulled as they were under-selling John Lewis, which are Sebo's biggest sellers in the UK.

I think the X4 tends to be more popular because, for not a great deal more, it comes with the extra tools. When John Lewis were selling the standard X4, I've also never seen the X1.1 in-store - it seems to only be available by request or through the website.

I'm quite curious to know how many Sebo units Currys actually sell. Being that most of their staff are pretty untrained in the area, I don't imagine they sell well without a member of staff who know's what they're talking about. I've also only ever seen the X4, Felix and K1 Pet models in store, not the standard x1.1 or x4.


Post# 254296 , Reply# 73   10/28/2013 at 11:22 (3,825 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Actually Argos did sell the X4 and they sold it for a time until John Lewis got peeved that most of its consumers were doing the "price rival/never undersold" policy. I remember it well as it appeared in one season and Argos stopped selling it.

JL threatened to close its account with SEBO unless SEBO gave them an exclusive model, hence the X4 Excel. JL were also at one point exclusively selling the X1.1 online "outwith smaller franchise Euronics," before Co Op copied and offered it, as well as the now defunct Miller Bros electrical outlets. Tesco also sold the X series for a while, too, as well as the K, Felix and D series.

JL appear to continue to sell the white X1.1 model as there aren't that many Euronics stores everywhere in the UK.

Depends on where you are with regards to the X4 - I've been to a few Curry stores down south, near London. Some have had the X4 in store.


Post# 254298 , Reply# 74   10/28/2013 at 11:29 (3,825 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Actually when I come to think of it, I think either Tesco or Comet also sold the BS series as well. There was no stopping them but I don't think they sell any of the commercial uprights any more (well, obviously Tesco since Comet, as we all know...).

Post# 254299 , Reply# 75   10/28/2013 at 11:33 (3,825 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Actually Argos did sell the X4

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Noooooo they didn't, I've got the Argos catalogues which feature the Sebo's. They have the white X1.1 and the basic blue K1 Komfort, but no other models. They appeared in 3 cataogues - Autumn/Winter 2006, Sping/Summer 2007 and Autumn/Winter 2007 - before, as you mentioned, JL got pissed off at being undersold as Argos were selling the x1.1 for £199 and the K1 for £129, vs JL selling them for £249 and £149 respectively.

I remember very well Argos not stocking the X4 as it was around the same time I bought mine (with my first Christmas bonus from my first full time job when I was 17) and I originally intended to buy the x1.1 from Argos, but found the X4 online for the same price and went with that instead as Argos didn't stock it.


Post# 254302 , Reply# 76   10/28/2013 at 12:09 (3,825 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oh I stand corrected. Sorry.




Post# 254305 , Reply# 77   10/28/2013 at 12:15 (3,825 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Oh I stand corrected. Sorry.

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Quite alright ^_^

I only know myself because I've still got the catalogues and remember thinkning it was quite odd. It may have been that Argos sold the X4 as an online exclusive, but it's certainly not printed in their catalogues.


Post# 254487 , Reply# 78   10/29/2013 at 10:40 (3,824 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
X1 vs X4

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Taken from a pdf online. Despite the original X1 Automatic being lower in pull, I still like it in tandem with my X4.

Post# 254493 , Reply# 79   10/29/2013 at 11:38 (3,824 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
The white X1...

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That white X1 was the first Sebo I ever got to use. The parents of Jamie, a friend I went to school with, had a working farm. They had 4 dogs that were constantly in and out of the house. The family were big on hygeine, especially in the kitchen, but the carpets were always covered (and I mean COVERED)in dog hairs. They had a Hoover Turbopower U2798 and a Vax Powa 4000. In 1999, they replaced the Hoover with the white X1 pictured above.

I remember it being delivered. I'd managed to pester Lesley, Jamie's mother, into letting me come and see it after school. When I got to the house, the box had been opened, but the cleaner was still inside. I got to watch Tim, Jamie's Dad, put it together. Lesley tried it out first and vacuumed the large living room rug with it (they had solid wood in the living room with a big oriental style rug in the middle). I got to use it on the hallway. And so began my love of Sebo's.

14 years on, it's still in daily use.


Post# 254545 , Reply# 80   10/29/2013 at 19:31 (3,824 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Oh, by the way - I will be another to recommend the Sebo X4, I sold mine to my old Primary School & they can't get enough of it, they absolutely love it! So here's another YES to the Sebo. I wasn't that keen on it myself though, even though it managed to get Ground Coffee out of a Deep Pile Cream rug, which nothing else could do.

For Steve & Alex, your responses have been really helpful. It's been nice talking to others about, you know... :)

Thanks again.


Post# 254568 , Reply# 81   10/30/2013 at 04:20 (3,824 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
For Steve & Alex, your responses have been really helpful

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"and thanks for your input, Chris"

"Oh, you're welcome Beckham, it was a pleasure..."

Hmmmph.


Post# 254570 , Reply# 82   10/30/2013 at 04:37 (3,824 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Chris, I'm sure Beckham is eternally grateful to you for your input, so I'll give you a medal on his behalf:

Post# 254577 , Reply# 83   10/30/2013 at 06:06 (3,824 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Oh Sorry Chris! And you too...thanks! (Sorry)

Post# 254578 , Reply# 84   10/30/2013 at 06:15 (3,824 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Oh Sorry Chris! And you too...thanks! (Sorry)

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LOL, it's ok, I'm just being a diva ;).

Steve, thank you for the medal (not the music!) - I actually had a good giggle at that.


Post# 254754 , Reply# 85   10/31/2013 at 13:32 (3,822 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

My first Sebo was a new X4 extra. Once the novelty wore off I sold it on eBay - this was when I got bored of a machine after a week or two and was changing them CONSTANTLY.

A little while later I bought a new X1.1. Performance wise there was no difference between that and the higher power X4 HOWEVER I did miss the extension hose and dusting brush.

Last year I bought a new Sebo Felix Pet. It was a great machine however I decided I preferred an X machine after a day or two. So, I returned it and exchanged it for an X4 Pet.

I've since settled down on the vacuum front.

I've had the X4 Pet from new - it will be a year old in about a weeks time!
I've got a Numatic Henry that I bought new about 8 months ago and also a DC41 Animal Complete that I bought new about 6 months ago.

The Henry is great, especially with the airo brush, however I only really use it for odd jobs as I prefer an upright. I've not even filled a bag with it yet.

The Dyson is good BUT the build quality is poor and it seems to be loosing performance - even though the filters are washed at the correct intervals. It has also started smelling VERY musty, leading me to believe there is a build up of cr#p inside the cyclones, hence the performance not being as good as when new.

And the Sebo...
Well like I say it is pretty much a year old now.
It's had lots of use and has seen me through various DIY jobs.
I've filled about 5 bags with it so far and it never smells musty due to it having the pet carbon filter inside.

We have various floor coverings in our house. There is walnut style wood flooring, plush wool carpets and Karndean slate style flooring in the kitchen and dining room.

The Sebo adjusts to and cleans every surface perfectly - even the hard floors.

I've not had an upright that grooms the carpets better either.

The exterior of the Sebo is also nice and simple meaning it is really easy to wipe over and keep looking like new.

Although mine has been used it hasn't been abused and it still looks and works like brand new.
If you can afford it go for a new Sebo rather than used, just so you can be sure you're not buying an abused machine that needs lots of new parts.
Over the years I've seen some horrifically abused Sebo X machines, sometimes rebadged under another name but the same machines either way and they just keep soldiering on.

One that comes to mind was being used in a college. It was an Ensign machine the same as an X1 and boy did it look sorry for itself.
Suction was MINIMAL as the bag was always crammed and the filters were CAKED in crud. I don't think the filter in the bag housing had ever been changed.

The auto height was broken and jammed on the lowest setting and I have a feeling this was due to the electronic controls being somehow over ridden as the bag full and brush warning lights didn't work either - probably to stop the machine turning itself off when the bag was getting full.
This machine went on working in this condition for at least two years after I first become aware of it, being used day in day out in a commercial environment.

They really are great machines and should give many years of trouble free service if maintained correctly.

Bags and filters are reasonably priced too.

A service box consisting of 10 bags and a complete set of filters is less than £20 - they're big bags and in a domestic environment a bag should easily last 2 - 3 months - unless you have 20,000 hairy dogs!


Post# 254791 , Reply# 86   10/31/2013 at 21:18 (3,822 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Good experience shared. I like the X4 colour scheme on the pet model but overall though the X1.1 is a good upright too, the white ones are better than all the other colours as they don't tend to show scrapes etc! My old blue and black X1.1 couldn't hide scrapes all the time from general use, especially at the sides. Its the same with my K3 Premium. Great for hiding scrapes because of its white colour. I had a light blue K1 Komfort for many years before the Premium model and though robust, the colour ones apart from white show up the scrapes from general use. This is where the X1 Automatic in white or grey is slightly better.

Interesting about the LED panel you refer to on the college upright. I know there is a simple pull out microchip lead when the hood is taken off that effectively cuts the panel off, but I have never tried it for fear of breaking the sensor wheel when switched on.



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