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Post# 253777   10/24/2013 at 14:37 (3,808 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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A number of people have asked me for pictures of the new Sirena. I consider it a viable alternative to the very expensive Rainbow. The Sirena is $895 at retail and is available at vac shops or online. I have used it extensively since I got it and find it to be at least the equal of a Rainbow E Series.


First pic is of the power nozzle with three height adjustments.


Post# 253778 , Reply# 1   10/24/2013 at 14:38 (3,808 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The horse hair bristle brush roller. Very gentle on carpets, but is aggressive enough to clean VERY well.

Post# 253779 , Reply# 2   10/24/2013 at 14:39 (3,808 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The Hose Handle is just like the Rainbow, but the switch actuator is easier to press.

Post# 253781 , Reply# 3   10/24/2013 at 14:40 (3,808 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The non-electric hose and telescopic non-electric wand. LOVE the quality attachments.

Post# 253782 , Reply# 4   10/24/2013 at 14:45 (3,808 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The Brochure

Post# 253783 , Reply# 5   10/24/2013 at 14:47 (3,808 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The Deodorizer/air freshener and the four pack of fragrances

Post# 253784 , Reply# 6   10/24/2013 at 14:48 (3,808 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The sound reducer - inserted into the intake - reduces the sound of the airflow when using the machine on LO speed for air cleaning

Post# 253785 , Reply# 7   10/24/2013 at 14:49 (3,808 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Front of machine with sound reducer in place.

Post# 253787 , Reply# 8   10/24/2013 at 14:49 (3,808 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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High Quality Attachments

Post# 253791 , Reply# 9   10/24/2013 at 16:00 (3,808 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Back of machine with cord wrapped up. The Hepa cover is removable to insert the hose for blower use.

Post# 253792 , Reply# 10   10/24/2013 at 16:01 (3,808 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Dolly - top Locks in place like the Rainbow E series dolly

Post# 253793 , Reply# 11   10/24/2013 at 16:02 (3,808 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Dolly - bottom. Double swivel wheels help it move as if the machine is weightless.

Post# 253794 , Reply# 12   10/24/2013 at 16:03 (3,807 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Underside of motor unit showing separator

Post# 253795 , Reply# 13   10/24/2013 at 16:04 (3,807 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Separator removed - showing Spider Wheel

Post# 253796 , Reply# 14   10/24/2013 at 16:05 (3,807 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Showing double sized separator - VERY effective at its job.

Post# 253797 , Reply# 15   10/24/2013 at 16:06 (3,807 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Machine locks into dolly for storage without the water pan.

Post# 253803 , Reply# 16   10/24/2013 at 16:25 (3,807 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
The NEW Sirena

Thanks Tom!
Thanks for posting the pictures.
It really does look like a copy of an older model Rainbow.
I would not like the flat belt, no light on power nozzle, messing with the 2 hose and wand set up and no direct connect BUT at half the price it will give the vac shops something NEW to offer their customers. Always fun to see a brand new vacuum.
I really like blue color.

One more addition for the vac museum!


Post# 253804 , Reply# 17   10/24/2013 at 16:32 (3,807 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Extra large capacity water basin.

Post# 253805 , Reply# 18   10/24/2013 at 16:36 (3,807 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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High Quality bare floor tool - just like the Rainbow

Post# 253808 , Reply# 19   10/24/2013 at 16:39 (3,807 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Thanks so much for these pics

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I just LOVE water vacuums......

This does look like a good alternative to Rainbow......and the attachments look high quality.....the separator looks a lot different to me though...

I'm looking at the water pan, it looks much different but trying to decide by looking it it if it's as easy to clean.

I think if I didn't have my current rainbow I would definitely buy one of these.



Post# 253812 , Reply# 20   10/24/2013 at 16:45 (3,807 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The water pan is VERY easy to clean, you can get a dish rag down the neck (like the New rainbow water pan introduced with the E series). The tall separator works like a charm, and with a washable HEPA filter, the Sirena fulfills all my expectations of what a water vacuum should be. As far as suction, on our electronic water lift gauge (used on the Assembly Lines at Tacony), it pulls 90 inches of lift on HI speed.

Post# 253834 , Reply# 21   10/24/2013 at 19:45 (3,807 days old) by vacyume ()        

This machine has two sets of hoses like the older model rainbows? Electrified for the power nozzle, and non-electric for the accessories?

Post# 253840 , Reply# 22   10/24/2013 at 21:02 (3,807 days old) by man114 (Buffalo NY)        

I was told 1500hrs in terms of motor, just wondering how it translates to low speed if they told you (I'll ask when I get everything situated and call next). Plenty for a vac but if you're using it on low as an air purifier it seems like too little as you're talking something that runs 24 7.

From what I gathered from talking to TK it's a great machine, what I see is the newest Rainbow power nozzle which is aweomse and the dual purpose hose. They were at all levels accomodating, and if they provide parts as such I'd be very willing to deal with them.

You're looking at less than half the price of a new Rainbow. I'll give them this, I talked to them personally and they were professional and helpful. I was skeptical, they called me back, I talked to them, they convinced me enough that I'd consider selling them. They were more than the level of accomodation I'd typicallty expect.

Is as it as good as a Rainbow? Once things get all settled I'll get one here I'll compare it with a single speed E Sesires as well as a fresh E2b (just unboxed on Saturday).

Will it be as good as a Rainbow? I dunno, I think it'll be a good alternative to them at a cost of a cheap refurb. I'll be proved right or wrong in the coming weeks. If TK is right and it is as good as he says, I'm not going to hesitate and tell you otherwise.I think at the very least it will be an awesome alternative to a refurb and have a full warranty.

I'm not easily convinced but just fromj their responsiveness to my request I'm considering sellting/distributing them. They seem genuine and helpful in terms of the product. Will they be the next Fantom and push a mass of units into the market in the shrot term? Who's to say! There could be a lot of would be Rainbow owners who couldn't afford them.


Post# 253842 , Reply# 23   10/24/2013 at 21:07 (3,807 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I love that blue speckled color too.

Post# 253843 , Reply# 24   10/24/2013 at 21:36 (3,807 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

Will the AquaMate III PowerBrush work on the Sirena?  Did Rexair manufacture the tools & electrified hose for Sirena?


Post# 253846 , Reply# 25   10/24/2013 at 22:18 (3,807 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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I don't mind the two hoses. Not a big fan of picking up liquid with any electrified hose. But then again, I started selling Rainbow vacuums in 1979 so they've always had two hoses until just very, very recently. I wouldn't say the Sirena is the equal of the new Anniversary Edition Rainbow (the current model) - but it is certainly a great value for people who wouldn't otherwise be able to afford a brand new Water Filtration vacuum. I think the Sirena will evolve as vac shops begin selling them. You could never sell them in regular retail stores, someone really needs to show the customer how to care for the machine. Current older model Rainbow owners are the perfect customer for a new Sirena and that makes it a win-win situation for vac shops that carry the machine.

Post# 253862 , Reply# 26   10/25/2013 at 02:08 (3,807 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Two things I don't like about only having

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one hose on the new Black Rainbow.......

When you're using the dusting brush, the actual HANDLE itself kind of would get in the way, as opposed to the regular wand only. plus I like having the 30 foot non electric hose so I can get high and low. It's cool to have only one hose for everything, but with my current Epic 6500 and my Kenmore canister that I had in the past, both have only one hose, and when it's time to dust, I couldn't do nearly as well dusting because of that big handle as I can with just the non electric wand hose on the Rainbow...

So if I ever do get the black Rainbow, I would keep this 30 foot non electric hose to use anyway. So for me, two hoses are better than just the one.


Post# 253863 , Reply# 27   10/25/2013 at 02:23 (3,807 days old) by vacyume ()        

Ah, the two hoses are for wet and dry pick-up. Not what I had assumed, that you'd have to change hoses between using the power head and the detail tools.

I'll tell you, IMO, being able to buy the Sirena online is a huge bonus. Even Avon and the Pampered Chef have websites where they sell their products.

It seems Sirena just made it to the states, has this company been in business for anytime elsewhere?


Post# 253873 , Reply# 28   10/25/2013 at 05:19 (3,807 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
The New Sirena

Vacyume,

Everyone likes different things and features BUT after using my Rainbow SE for 17 years BEFORE I got the new designed Black Rainbbow the following would be DEAL BREAKERS for me:
(1) having to mess with the 2 different hoses every time and messing with the storage was for me a big pain.
(2) also hated messing with the electrical connections EVERY time you want to change from carpet cleaning to dusting or bare floor cleaning
(3) note too the that power nozzle does NOT have a quick release wand. You are forced to either pick it up and release the wand or bend down to the floor each time.
(4)Tom can fill us in on this feature-but it looks like the Sirena does NOT have the LOCK ON/LOCK OFF feature for the power nozzle handle control.
This was something I found maddening with my old SE Rainbow.
(5) You can get the 30 ft electric hose if that is your choice with the new Rainbow

This is NOT to take away ANYTHING with the Sirena BUT as a new owner of a water based system, these were things I really did NOT like about my older Rainbow and you need to understand when buying a unit.

These were DEAL BREAKERS for me as I have a cocker spaniel and multiple floors and hard surface and carpets to clean and they were annoying features with my older Rainbow. I hated to be cleaning the carpet and then have to turn off the machine, go get the second hose and then disconnect the electric connections of the power nozzle and change over to the wands and floor brush.

It could be that you only need to use your machine once a week and have all carpeting, so the lack of these new design features would not be a problem.

Also you are NOT spending $100.00, we are talking about a $900.00 investment, so that would have to be a judgment call for what you feel comfortable with but no way would I spend that much money for a start up product.
I would feel a lot more comfortable with a product made in USA that has been in business for over 75 years.
Tom knows his vacuums so it seems it may prove to be a good product if they can get it going and have service available.


Post# 253874 , Reply# 29   10/25/2013 at 05:30 (3,807 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
The New Sirena

Just noticed another feature that I did not like and a LOT of machines use it today. This is the one piece heavy stainless steel wand.
ONE piece makes the wand heavy to handle when used in the shortened mode for dusting. I much prefer the 2 piece wand system. I have had 2 high end canisters with this set up and did not like the added weight when using the wand for dusting or furniture cleaning.
Many of these features or "lack of features" are just an individual choice but nice to be aware of before you buy a machine that you will be using for many years.


Post# 253886 , Reply# 30   10/25/2013 at 08:26 (3,807 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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I haven't used the non-electric hose yet. I use the electric hose for everything. The dusting brush fits on the end of the electric hose and the bare floor brush fits the electric wand. Yes, you do have to unplug the cord from the hose handle to use the attachments on it, but that's not a deal breaker for me. The telescopic wand is about the same weight as the two Rainbow wands, so it's not really any added weight. I love the fact that the bare floor brush stores on the machine, so using it isn't like going back to the closet to get it (like on the old Rainbows).

Post# 253888 , Reply# 31   10/25/2013 at 08:50 (3,807 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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I noticed on the brochure that it says 'Ottawa, Ontario'....is the Sirena made in Canada?

Gary


Post# 253897 , Reply# 32   10/25/2013 at 11:39 (3,807 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The Sirena was designed and engineered in Canada, and the Company operates from there. The motor was made in Italy.

Post# 253936 , Reply# 33   10/25/2013 at 19:39 (3,806 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Yes - I can imagine

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the floor brush being stored on the unit would be a definite plus.

Post# 253939 , Reply# 34   10/25/2013 at 20:40 (3,806 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Sirena

I ask the Sirena company on facebook where they are being made they told me in china:/ under strict supervision

Post# 254271 , Reply# 35   10/28/2013 at 06:02 (3,804 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
this is made in

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CHINA????

Hmmmmm


Post# 254278 , Reply# 36   10/28/2013 at 07:27 (3,804 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
China--Strict supervision?

Does this mean they make sure the little slave children get to pick two of the best carrots out of a pile a the end of the 18 hour work day?

Post# 256278 , Reply# 37   11/14/2013 at 10:44 (3,787 days old) by canuck ()        
Slave Children

China--Strict supervision?

"Does this mean they make sure the little slave children get to pick two of the best carrots out of a pile a the end of the 18 hour work day?"

Seriously? Sirena may be assembled in China, but the slave children are reserved for making your Nike and Apple knockoffs!


Post# 308767 , Reply# 38   12/14/2014 at 00:34 (3,392 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
I re-visited

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this thread because I'm REALLY thinking of buying one of these. I also notice that a vacuum shop here in Lexington called A-1 Vacuums (I think) if I remember correctly, is a dealer and they sell them, so I can just go there and buy one if I decide to. I'm not giving up my Rainbow Gold 2 speed because I love it....but this looks so cool and water vac's are my favorite type of vacuums (can't explain the clean feeling after using one so I won't rant on about that) and this is not horribly expensive in comparison to the rest of them. No, I don't need it but I still want it. :)

Brand new Hyla's, OceanBlue's, ProAqua's, Rainbow's are all MUCH more expensive yet this looks very close to all of them.....at 895 dollars.

I never really thought of myself as a vacuum collector (LOL).. but now I have 3 vaccums.. Shark Naviagor pro lift away, Rainbow, and Epic 6500.


Post# 308772 , Reply# 39   12/14/2014 at 04:14 (3,392 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I always have a Good laugh when I hear people worried about quality from China. Did you know Mercedes Benz has a manufacturing plant in Beijing ? Would you call a Mercedes Low quality ? No . Now why is it that its not a low quality product if Mercedes makes their cars their but if a vacuum company makes or assembles their vacuum in a Their own factory but it is in China its Poor quality ? I just got my hands on my first Hoover air, Made in China , very nice quality much better quality than my Hoover windtunnel's and my Hoover elite and those were made were??? Oh mmm in USA. MMMMMM I think you guys need to get over your made in China Phobia. a Good quality product can be made anywhere in the world

Post# 308781 , Reply# 40   12/14/2014 at 07:28 (3,392 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Exactly Gareth

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Most of the phobia comes from many who collect vacuums yet don't even know how to repair their vacuums I've heard of one person who can barely change a belt yet touts they are an expert . China makes many quality products , all a company has to do is pay China for quality .

You and I know a quality product because we take things apart to explore vacuums thats how I learned how to fix vacuums at 5 years old . I have never had to ask anyone how do I fix this . You have been in research and development and own a successful vacuum cleaner business so you my friend are the authority when it comes to quality vacuums .

I have come to the conclusion that China bashing will continue but this will not stop companies from using China to manufacture their products . It's just like when Japanese cars came to the U.S. everyone swore they were garbage now all you see are many Japanese cars on the road . Look out Chinese cars are on their way to the good ole USA ...


Dan


Post# 308784 , Reply# 41   12/14/2014 at 07:59 (3,392 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        
About Made in China...

Americans have a made in China phobia?? Is that why we have a 6 to 1 trade DEFICIT with China??? It's true that not everything from china is junk, but China produces it's fair share of junk too. Even Germany and the US make their share of junk. China's car companies might come to the US someday IF they can survive. China's car companies are in decline IN CHINA. Their market-share is shrinking rapidly. Foreign companies dominate China's car market. China's car companies cannot pass the stringent crash test standards of the Western countries. But I will say this. It's not a two-way street. These other countries use tricks and roadblocks to keep out Western products so they can protect their own while the West has allowed them much better access. Japan was found MANY times throughout the 1960's-1990's to be in violation of free trade agreements. They tried to destroy the American computer chip industry in the 1980's and were found THREE TIMES to be selling chips at a loss to steal market share. They were found guilty of doing the same with televisions and cars. The US has opened it's doors to products from around the world, they should do the same too. Allowing our economy to be destroyed is not a ridiculous thing to worry about. We can't do that and we won't do that. So yes, I agree China should be approached with caution because too many times they are copying and selling too cheap for us to compete.

Post# 308785 , Reply# 42   12/14/2014 at 08:46 (3,392 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
It all comes down

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To the American consumer a huge percentage want vacuums that cost $30.00 they can't see that if you buy high end quality vacuum they last a lifetime .

Most of This generation does not care about quality they just throw it out and buy a new one and you have these consumers expecting to pay $30.00 for a vacuum how can a company in the US make products to meet their price range ?

This is where China has stepped in to fill the consumers desire of inexpensive products .

Planned obsolescence is how companies survive so until consumers change their minds China made products are here to stay .

Dan


Post# 308795 , Reply# 43   12/14/2014 at 12:31 (3,392 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Chinese Cars are already here in South Africa. The first ones were pickup trucks but cars came too. The other day I testdrove one of there latest cars that would easily rival any of its competitors from Europe or Japan.

Post# 308809 , Reply# 44   12/14/2014 at 15:47 (3,391 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Question about the PN on Sirena -

A lot of folks did not like the PN that Rainbow's had on the E series E2. I remember reading several people on this forum say it wasn't a very good PN because it's designed choked off airflow, and that the prior Rainbow Square PN was better, and now the newest black PN is best.......So the least favorite PN seemed to be the Brown e series pictures here out of all the Rainbow PN's, which is the PN I have, but I've never disliked it myself.

Now, what about the PN on the Sirena? I only ask because it looks very similar to the brown E series PN. I wonder if it has better airflow at the head of the PN than the e series PN pictured?


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Post# 308824 , Reply# 45   12/14/2014 at 18:39 (3,391 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        

I would say it does based on the open design

Post# 308832 , Reply# 46   12/14/2014 at 19:33 (3,391 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        

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The design of the Sirena powerhead looks good, like they avoided a design that compromised airflow like Rainbow did. But I highly doubt it would groom carpets well if the brushroll bristles are horsehair....I tried a Fuller Brush canister a couple of years ago that had horsehair brushroll bristles, & you could BARELY feel the brushroll touching the carpet.

Also, to me, the design of the Sirena looks cheap to me in some respects, like how the separator & spyder are designed. I also don't like how the tools are placed in the dolly, annoying design to me, they should have made a tool caddy that attaches to canister like Rainbow did for the E Series & D4.

Rob


Post# 308833 , Reply# 47   12/14/2014 at 19:49 (3,391 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Yea

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thanks for letting me know about the PN. I didn't realize the brush roll was made of horse hair...I also am not sure I'm loving the look of the separator. I would like to touch it and examine it in person. The rainbow separator is so small and nice and so easy to clean. But this doesn't look that bad. I dunno........still pondering it.

Post# 309122 , Reply# 48   12/18/2014 at 01:10 (3,388 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Bought one.....

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Went to the local vac shop A1 Vacuums in Lexington. They were out of stock and had to order one. Said it would be here Fri or Monday. There are 3 dealers local to me that sell this. One in my city and 2 in the suburbs. Both mom/pop local vac shops. I also notice Goodvac.com sells it and all the parts on their website...I'm certainly not getting rid of my Rainbow but this will be neat to own :)

www.goodvac.com/Sirena_Vacuum_Par...


Post# 309658 , Reply# 49   12/22/2014 at 20:49 (3,383 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Sooo

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I get this today. Brand new unit. I unpacked it and everything was there except for the 32 oz bottle of deodorizer and the 4 pack of scents. This machine is NOT the quality of a Rainbow! The hoses are good quality, and the stainless wands are easy to use and not too heavy, but the stainless steel seems a little less quality than the Rainbow stainless wands. The dolly feels cheap to me. I LOVE the PN! That's my favorite part of this vacuum. It has great airflow at the head (better than my brown E series PN)

I'm really confused about a few things though!

A) there is no airflow control on the curved wand. Why?
B) The hepa exhaust cover has ZERO vents. No air can get out of the exhaust with the hepa exhaust cover on. Is this a sealed unit? I only ask because, when running on high power, and the hepa exhaust in place, there are two vents on the top side of the machine that I can feel a little air coming out of, but only if the hepa exhaust cover is on.
C) When I added scent to the basin, during cleaning, all I could smell was the new motor smell. I couldn't smell anything I put in the basin. I thought that was weird.
D) The bottom of this unit during cleaning has more area exposed to water, so cleanup isn't as easy as Rainbow.


It seems to glide on my carpet easily and weights just a wee bit less than the Rainbow...The separator was visibly dirty after me cleaning for 2 hours, but the water wasn't that dirty because I clean a lot. Basin was easy enough to clean. I can't get the separator off without using that tool.

Overall it's ok for those who don't want to pay for a rainbow, I hope that new motor smell goes away...


Post# 309703 , Reply# 50   12/23/2014 at 10:09 (3,383 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The new motor smell will go away. I use my Sirena (which was one of the first sold) two or three times to week to dust in the Vacuum Museum. I use the mulberry fragrance from Rainbow in it. The exhaust air escapes through the vents on the sides of the machine, like it did on the first E series Rainbows. I too love the power head. VERY quiet. It's much easier to clean the open top pan. The attachments are virtual copies of the Rainbow attachments. For 1/3 the price of a Rainbow, I can deal with slightly less quality. The separator is easy to clean, it's the same separator the Ocean Blue uses.

Post# 309944 , Reply# 51   12/26/2014 at 08:25 (3,380 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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You're right. I have used it several times now and the new smell is pretty much gone. I could smell the D/A I put in. I guess since it's new at first it was a little awkward to me, the differences, but once I've gotten a little used to it i'm not disliking it as much as I did at first. It does do a REALLY good job just like the rainbow....I'm a little concerned about the dolly the way it attaches to it feels a little fragile to me (maybe it's durable), I don't know. The way you have to put it in front first, then back, then it clips. And that little rubber area that surrounds the separator is harder to clean than the rainbow, but all in all, this is a good vacuum as long as nothing breaks like the clips or dolly. I took the hepa filter off just to see what the other side looked like, look really clean so I guess the separator is doing its job. I say this because I vacuumed out my bagless canister bin using the Sirena and cleaned 3 other times doing different things and I could see no dust on the hepa at all. I like how you can see the water action in this better than my 2 speed gold rainbow.

That said, I still like Rainbow better.......but this would be perfect for someone who really wants a rainbow but can't afford it.

I wonder why it doesn't have the certifications that Rainbow has since it has the hepa and is water filtration? I know it says it's allergy friendly certified.



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