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Post# 250253   9/15/2013 at 07:49 (1,617 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        

I was looking at the information and videos on the new machine. Here is just a few thoughts I got on the new machine. Interesting to see what others impressions are on the machine.

(1) I liked the colors
(2) cheaper

But What I did not like so much:

(1)no lights on the power nozzle
(2) no enclosed wiring and connections for the power nozzle
(3) bumper does not go all the way around on the power nozzle
(4) It is cheaper BUT no Aquamate, no hand held Rainbowmate, No Rainbowjet
(5) no door storage rack for the hose and tools
(6) tools are stored on the dolly. I do not like this arrangement on my Hyla because it makes the dolly a more bulky square shape and the user is forced to bend down to the floor to retrieve the tools each time.
(7) no brushless motor
(8) I prefer the 2 piece wand system just because when the user wants to use only one length of the wand, the one piece make it heavier to hold as on my Hyla and Miele machines.
(9) just the fact that is a copy of the Rainbow and what about service and parts on a brand new make machine?
(10) a warranty is only good if you can find service.
This is not to say it won't be a great machine, but these are some observations that I noticed on the machine.
I think I would rather invest in a known and proven product from a almost 80 year old company with parts available everywhere.
The fact that even old Rainbows hold their value says a lot to me.

What do you think?
If it sells for $895.00-what is their mark up?
It is about 1/2 what I paid for my new Rainbow but you are getting about 1/2 the machine and tools. I really like and use the Rainbowjet for hard surface floor cleaning.
It also bothers me when any company copies another product even down to type of advertising slogans and wording. You saw a LOT of this back in the 1930's with other makers comparing their machines to the Hoover Company.

Just some first thoughts on the first look at a new machine.





Post# 250270 , Reply# 1   9/15/2013 at 11:27 (1,617 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
The Sirena

Just watched the videos again. I do like the color of the machine and it sounds like one of the older Rainbows. I did notice it has a shorter electric hose,
and the beater brush uses the old style flat belt.
I did not see any information on the air flow or suction level.

I love seeing a new machine on the market.


Post# 250289 , Reply# 2   9/15/2013 at 14:38 (1,617 days old) by joshdonnell (Denton ,Texas.)        
Sirena

Yes i agree with your points. But i would like to have have one to replace my Rainbow . And i wish the sold Rainbow alot cheaper. I can afford a Sirena . But my only worrie is if needs repair where theres no where for me to take the Sirena.

Post# 250295 , Reply# 3   9/15/2013 at 16:12 (1,617 days old) by dysonman1 (Rolla, Missouri)        

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I can't wait for the Sirena to come. I'm getting serial number 2 for the museum. The Sirena is going to be sold in Vac Shops (so service will be available). I consider this to be the 'next big thing' and I'll tell you why:

Most Rainbows are repaired by vac shops, not by the distributor. When a D3, D4, or E series is brought in for repairs, the new Sirena will be shown. With a price of $895, it's less expensive than a D3C cost 30 years ago.

The current retail price in St. Louis for a new Rainbow is $2495. At wholesale, the Sirena costs $100 less than the Rainbow. The Sirena will go from the factory, to the vac shop, to the customer. No distributor, sub distributor, training manager, phone girl, finance company, nor salesman's commissions. There are so many 'hands in the pot' that the Rainbow HAS to sell for over two grand for everyone to get their 'cut'.

As soon as I get mine, I'll make a video for the you tubes.


Post# 250301 , Reply# 4   9/15/2013 at 16:50 (1,616 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
The "Sirena"

Josh,
If they can sell these at regular vac shops, maybe they will get enough dealers to provide local service. The price seems right for a high end vacuum to compete with Miele and Dyson.
I was wondering if it has the lighted basin like the Rainbow?
Our local Hyla dealer has closed up so I am forced to order from Florida if I need any parts or supplies. So far no problems but I do not use it that often.



Post# 250303 , Reply# 5   9/15/2013 at 16:58 (1,616 days old) by joshdonnell (Denton ,Texas.)        
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So do you feel like Sirena will come close to be as good as a Rainbow? I mean the Rainbow has more to offer in my opinion. I'm just wondering if the Sirena will do pretty good in the market Like Rainbow .

Post# 250306 , Reply# 6   9/15/2013 at 17:03 (1,616 days old) by dysonman1 (Rolla, Missouri)        

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Most people use their Rainbow as just a vacuum cleaner, with the occasional wet pick up of a spill. Most people do not have or do not use, the AquaMate. The Sirena does everything a Rainbow does (as a vacuum cleaner) and most people will be thrilled with it. A vac shop will sell it to someone who is either looking for a 'used' or 'rebuilt' Rainbow or to someone who has a Rainbow that needs major repairs (motor, etc.). A D2 had 65 inches of water lift, and did just fine. If the suction and airflow are constant, it doesn't really need more than 65 inches of lift. I don't know what the Sirena will have, but it's an Italian made motor (probably by Rotafil). Once vac shops get them, I believe they'll sell tons of them. To the average person, it will be just like buying a New Rainbow without the high pressure door to door salesman.

Post# 250312 , Reply# 7   9/15/2013 at 19:39 (1,616 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
It doesn't sound bad

It even has a "quiet mode" for air cleaning and has a 10 year warranty

It's also using a smaller separator like the E series.


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Post# 250319 , Reply# 8   9/15/2013 at 20:18 (1,616 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
I won't be surprised if......

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Rexair brings a lawsuit against this company. Couplings, Separator, Floor Brush, Air Cleaning etc.

Just my opinion.

PR-21

Bud Mattingly


Post# 250328 , Reply# 9   9/15/2013 at 21:09 (1,616 days old) by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
The picture

Of it looks good, the tools look like Rainbow clones, which is a good thing because they are really good.Tom has another water filtration machine that I was really impressed with several years ago, but i cant remember the name of it.

Post# 250330 , Reply# 10   9/15/2013 at 21:18 (1,616 days old) by joshdonnell (Denton ,Texas.)        
Sirena

Well the Sirena isn't the only Water Filtration vacuum to copy another. And Rainbow didn't file a lawsuit against the other brands. Then again im not 100 percent sure tho

Post# 250337 , Reply# 11   9/15/2013 at 22:29 (1,616 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

so will we see Rainbows at cut rate prices on QVC if the Sirena is successful? In other words, will Rainbow feel compelled to change their sales model?

Post# 250357 , Reply# 12   9/16/2013 at 05:22 (1,616 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
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Are you saying what sets this apart from all the other water filtration vacuums like OceanBlue, Hyla, Pro Aqua, is that these won't be sold door to door, but only online and in vacuum shops across the country?

Post# 250430 , Reply# 13   9/16/2013 at 22:29 (1,615 days old) by man114 (Buffalo NY)        

In my opinion, I don't see Rainbow changing their sales model. I don't think this company will be around in 10 years. The way I see it in 10 years this thing will be an afterthought, Rexair will still be around. However I would by one as a collectors item.

$895 is a steep price for a new startup. Shelling out that kind of dough is an investment. It will be up against a lot of long established names at that price. If I'm left with what is available at $900 I can't see this being that easy of a sell. You could get a used D4 with a proven track record for a long established company and has parts available for less.

Unproven track record and steep price. It doesn't help that it looks like a copy of a Rainbow (why hasn't anyone made a water filtering upright?). I wouldn't be surprised if they get sued on some aspects.

Unlike some other water vacuums it is almost if this one is trying too hard to be a Rainbow.

Lets be honest here, if you've got $900 to plunk down on this, you're probably one that can afford a Rainbow and the $2000 price tag if you buy it new. So you trust a a company that has used this design for decades or a brand new one.

I watched the video on Youtube of this thing, my worry is the guy lifts the motor unit with way too much ease. It looks like it weighs half what even the original E Series weighs. The newest ones are quite a heft.

If these turned up at Wal-Mart for $399 I wouldn't think tiwce. $895 seems like a stretch, even for a vac shop.

Unlike when Fantom first brought the Dyson technolgy to the US, there is no new technology here. Most people have heard of Rainbow. This is the large hurdle, convincing someone that buying this is somehow better than buying a refurb Rainbow (even an actual certified one is only $100 more than this without incentives). I just can't see people running out to buy these without any sort of track record.

First things that crossed my mind watching the video for this is "lawsuit", "cheap knockoff". They should do something to diffferentiate.


Post# 250438 , Reply# 14   9/17/2013 at 02:54 (1,615 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I feel Rexair-Rainbow is going to file a suit against Sirena-They are using phrases and parts like the Rainbow cleaner.Remember Kirby vs Bison?Or Filter Queen vs Lewyt?-or Air-Way vs Hoover.

Post# 250448 , Reply# 15   9/17/2013 at 08:23 (1,615 days old) by dysonman1 (Rolla, Missouri)        

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The Sirena isn't infringing any of Rexair's patents. There's nothing to sue over. A U.S. patent only lasts 18 years. Vac shops are going to be very successful selling the Sirena to existing Rainbow customers when their Rainbow repair is over $400 (a common amount for a new motor). If vac shops have no problem asking a thousand dollars for a Miele, they'll have no problem getting $800 for a new "Rainbow".

Post# 250450 , Reply# 16   9/17/2013 at 10:03 (1,615 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        

It's truly impossible to predict what will succeed or fail in a market until it does. Many companies have bet wrong in the past. Remember New Coke in 1985? They THOUGHT the public would love it. They were way, way wrong. Americans decided they HATED New Coke in some cases before they ever tasted it, LOL. People don't always love "new and improved" products. I have to say I probably wouldn't buy it. Just for the fact that it is completely unknown and Rainbow is MUCH more firmly established and well known in the U.S. I would buy a Rainbow and perhaps one of the other models but I doubt I'd spend that much on a machine that as of yet has no major network of parts and service. I doubt they will be able to dislodge Rainbow but they probably don't need to. Rainbow is selling to a relatively small market to high-end customers using a door-to-door sales model. Once customers have been shown the machine and are reminded how long Rexair has been in business they will probably be able to keep selling just like always even if this machine becomes popular. No one knows how long one of these new machines are going to last as of yet.

Post# 250452 , Reply# 17   9/17/2013 at 13:06 (1,615 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

Rainbow may be more established, but at 2.5+ times the price they are a dubious value. And then there's the insufferable sales pitch that can go on for hours. If you don't buy a water vacuum you'll be wallowing in mud. The air in your home will be so filthy that your glass of water will be dirty, blah, blah, blah. On top of the awful salespitch, you get hit up for names. My friends probably wouldn't be my friends anymore if I set them up for Rainbow demonstrations. A Rainbow costs more than many built in vacuums.



Post# 250465 , Reply# 18   9/17/2013 at 14:46 (1,615 days old) by dysonman1 (Rolla, Missouri)        

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Most Rainbow customers are NOT 'high end' customers. They are people who were talked into taking out a loan to buy a vacuum cleaner. The real problem is when that vacuum breaks down, they go to a vac shop for service or to Wal-Mart to buy a new vacuum. Most people don't throw away broken Rainbows, they take them in for service. That's where the Sirena will come in very handy for the Repair Shop. When someone decides they want a Rainbow (for whatever reason), they go to a vac shop for a rebuilt (or used) one. The Sirena will cost less, new, than a reconditioned E2 Rainbow. Vac shops who are Sirena dealers will carry the parts, just like they do now with Tacony products.

Post# 250475 , Reply# 19   9/17/2013 at 17:22 (1,614 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        
just curious

Has Rainbow trademarked the slogan "Wet dirt doesn't fly"? If so, I could see Sirena getting nailed.

Post# 250490 , Reply# 20   9/17/2013 at 20:53 (1,614 days old) by man114 (Buffalo NY)        

Pretty sure "wet dirt doesn't fly" is trademarked.

Rainbow patents I know of are the lighted water container, sideways spinning brushes on the power head. An ambiguous patent about how the power head connects to the canister (this is vauge enough that the Sirena probably infringes upon it). The oldest of these expires in 8 or so years. I'll write them all down when I get my hands on a current model on Friday.

Even if Rexair didn't sue, it is what a multi cyclonic Bissell is to a Dyson a cheap knockoff.

In the video the guy lifts the motor portion like it is a feather. If you haven't lifted a current Rainbow motor portion that thing is heavy.

None of the other water vacuums seem to be as much of direct copies.

There is a musical artist Sirena who has recorded songs about Rainbows.

This thing leaves a bad taste im my mouth. Rather have a refurbed D4.

It also was designed in Canada using an Italian motor... Probably assembled in China.

If it was from China I might spend $300-400 tops....

Even that I'd search craigslist for a used Rainbow.


Post# 250510 , Reply# 21   9/18/2013 at 12:02 (1,614 days old) by joshdonnell (Denton ,Texas.)        
Sirena

Man114 your right. i asked the Sirena company on facebook where the vacuum was assembled . they said in china. Under the supervision of the canadian engineers.

Post# 250516 , Reply# 22   9/18/2013 at 14:06 (1,614 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I own a Vacuum shop and can tell you one thing. Unlike big box stores most of your customers are either return customers or referred by other customers. Selling a unknown brand can be fairly easy as the customer is not buying a vacuum from an unknown company but from you, the vacshop they have been going to for the past 5 years, the vacuum shop their whole family and neighborhood uses.

The best thing a company that is launching a new brand can do is launch it through existing vacuum shops.

Gareth


Post# 250537 , Reply# 23   9/18/2013 at 16:14 (1,614 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
I think it's "Wet Dust Can't Fly"

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I don't think it's "dirt"

But if you watch the video, it's funny how it's almost as if they invented the first water filtration vacuum.

Still, I think it looks kind of cool, but I doubt that quality is not the same as Rainbow.


Post# 250551 , Reply# 24   9/18/2013 at 16:49 (1,613 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        

Well ralph123, Rainbows command high prices because they normally last for decades while the lesser models do not. The Rainbow is a higher level of equipment. The Sirena may pan out to be durable or it may not. It's not known as of yet. I don't find Rainbows "dubious" values at all and a great many of their users don't either. Most of their machines are sold new in the home and I've known several people personally who invited them to come and demonstrate the machine because they wanted one. I hate their demonstration model also as they are by far the pushiest but it wouldn't stop me from buying it for the reason that I like the wet pick-up ability and the shampooer in addition to the durability of the machine.

Dysonman1 you misunderstood what I wrote. I didn't state that Rainbow's customers were all "rich." I stated that they are selling to customers who are willing to purchase a higher-end machine. How they purchase is up to them regardless of the sales pitch. You cannot make people buy something if they don't REALLY want it. I've had many door-to-door reps come to my door and leave with no sale.

Anyway, I don't really care whether Sirena makes it in the U.S. market or not as I have no investment in it and am not currently in the market for a water vacuum. It may or may not be a success but it probably won't ruin Rexair. There's room enough for all.


Post# 250577 , Reply# 25   9/18/2013 at 19:49 (1,613 days old) by man114 (Buffalo NY)        

Our local office does it strictly by a no pressure sales instead focusing on the merits of the machine. They also do all in house service cheaper than the the vac shops. I'm sure there are others like that, and others that aren't, a fault of the distribution system.

Unlike the Kirby guys you practicallly have to call the police on to get them out of your house.

I digress though. The Sirena is made in China, which I pretty much suspected. If it was maybe $300-400 at Sears or Wal-Mart I'd probably buy one. At $895 it seems really steep for an unproven Chinese version of a Rainbow. You could buy a used D4, possibly an E Series for that price & know parts are available, and will be in the future.

I know Rexiar sticks to that model for a good reason, because it allows them total price control.

My concern buying this would be is that it seems like an overpriced but cheaply made knockoff, they can prove me wrong by delivering a quality product. I'd still prefer it it was USA or Canadian made. This isn't like plucking down $399 for a Fantom when they first came out, this is double the cost and not even made in North America.

There are plenty of used Rainbows around. I just can't see it, maybe its me.

Maybe if they sold it on late night infomercial for $399.


Post# 250580 , Reply# 26   9/18/2013 at 20:38 (1,613 days old) by joshdonnell (Denton ,Texas.)        
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Its like most products designed somewhere then made or assembled in another country. But you never know it could be a really great product.

Post# 252572 , Reply# 27   10/11/2013 at 08:47 (1,591 days old) by man114 (Buffalo NY)        

Since we're back on the Sirena subject I contacted them directly last night to get some more information about more technical aspects of the product. I'll see how they respond. A quick and professional reponse would leave me with a better feel for how things are going to be. Particularly if you try and buy parts or get warranty service. All the closest authorized "dealers" appear to be nothing other than internet websites.

This means that service is going to have to come from a vac shop or Sirena directly at least until a dealer network gets established that includes vac shops to repair them. Consequently I'd even set up to service them if they became a big hit, someone has to do it. If you buy from some internet site you'll be shipping it off to Canada or to a vac shop, but if the vac shop isn't a dealer they're still going to have to go to Sirena for parts.

Here we're close to the company (much like Fantom), Fantom set up to import them through Buffalo for US distribution, they eventually got into major retailers but had to establish their name through infomercials (something Sirena could do). If Sirena were to use infomercials they'd simply have to be careful as to their wording as to not infringe on any Rainbow trademarks (some of the stuff is pretty close).

So as of now they've got mostly internet dealers, not many and aside from the Canadian ones not many close to me. Price seems pretty much fixed at about $895. The markup has to be pretty hefty as they're assembled in China. I remember back when the Fantom Fury was coming from Canada (if I recall the last of them were from China) the markup was still pretty decent for a north american built product. That means it can't be totally cost prohibitive to build over hear, especially at that price.

But it can be done, Fantom did and it was only their doing that also undid them. Time will tell, I'll let everyone know if they get back to me.


Post# 256281 , Reply# 28   11/14/2013 at 10:57 (1,557 days old) by canuck ()        
Sirena Dealers

Sirena has only been shipping product since October 10th, 2013. There are currently 30+ North American dealers, and only 2 are solely internet based (Allbrands & Unbeatablesales). With 5 representatives currently on the road (2 in Canada and 3 in the USA) the number of dealers is expected to rise quickly.
BTW a special congratulations to our Puerto Rico and Edmonton AB dealers who sold out of product in their first 2 weeks!
There is no question the Sirena is best retailed in traditional storefront locations where customers can handle the product, ask questions and be assured they will get ongoing customer service. Of course we could offer the Sirena to the big box stores (we have other products in Costco and TheBay), however in the end the consumer would suffer and our reputation would be tarnished.
Rest assured that once we have sufficient volume (approximately 2000 units a month) production will be moved to North America, and the volume should keep the price static.
Follow this link to see the current retailers:
sirenasystem.ca/dealer-locator/...


Post# 256290 , Reply# 29   11/14/2013 at 12:11 (1,557 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        
production in North America

Canuck,

I hear there's a pretty good vacuum manufacturer in St James, Missouri that could likely build your product in North America...


Post# 337385 , Reply# 30   11/12/2015 at 15:00 (829 days old) by Dragonsyt57 (Terlingua,Tx)        
Sirena

I'm still using the Rainbow I sold my mom in 1978,so I'm curious as to how well the Sirena will hold up,also is Sirena associated with Rexair?

Post# 337491 , Reply# 31   11/14/2015 at 10:23 (827 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
I've gotten tired of using

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my Sirena. I end up using my Rainbow because it doesn't take as long to set up or clean up at the end. I don't like the dolly on the Sirena. I mean, the machine does what it's supposed to but I do not think the separator is nearly as good as the one on the Rainbow....the fans on my Sirena have more visible dirt on them after a few uses than my 8 year old rainbow does. Additionally, I took the hepa off and I saw visible dirt on that too. So I'm not sure what to think about that because it works exactly like rainbow. I can see someone who does not have a rainbow using this a lot....but since I have both, if I had to do it over again, I would not buy the Sirena (unless I did not have a rainbow). It was a totally unnecessary purchase for me (not typical of me).

This all said, it does do a good job. The hepa is very easy to wash, suction is good, tools are nice and high quality (not as high quality as rainbow) but still high quality.


Post# 384171 , Reply# 32   1/13/2018 at 01:38 by markhenry (USA)        

Sorry to bring up an old thread...


Having decided on a Miele ($1200) with electric brush as recomended by members on this forum... compare to the $4000 price tag of the Rainbow...

The $1200 on the Miele Electrobrush model canister (top end with LED lights on brush etc) comes up to the price of buying a Sirena for $1500 brand new.

The Miele has a 2 year manufacturer warranty but people claim their Miele has lasted in excess of 15 years. The Sirena on other hand has 10 year warranty on motor and 3 years on parts...

So from that perspective i say much better but it may not last 20 years, so though it is warrantied for 10 and miele only 2 the Miele may last longer in the end... However buying bags and HEPA filters over the next 10 years, I could have bought another Sirena for that money Soooo.......

So my simple question is... between a Miele C3 Electro model and Serina... which one will clean the floor better? (Carpet, duat, cat hair, sand, deep cleaning etc)


Post# 384180 , Reply# 33   1/13/2018 at 08:58 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
they will both clean well

Both machines will clean well, the difference of course is the filtration. When it comes to raw cleaning power, that is suction and airflow, the Miele will beat the Sirena hands down. The raw cleaning power of a water filtration machine, even a rainbow is about 30 years behind current bagged models. But, remember that as long as the machine has enough power to remove the dirt from what you are cleaning, it is doing its job and the water filtration machines have no problem with that. Your Miele will work just fine for your needs, but if you chose to get a Sirena, it would also work. I have a sirena and I really like it, probably going to use it this weekend actually. One thing a Sirena has that the Miele and many other vacuums do not is the ability to be used as a blower. This may or may not matter to you but it may come in handy. The Sirena can also be used to clean up wet spills, although it will not hold near as much as most wet dry vacs. I also have a Miele C1 Olympus and again it's a good machine. So it really comes down to whether you prefer a water filtration machine or a machine that uses bags.
Mike


Post# 384190 , Reply# 34   1/13/2018 at 14:23 by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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The Rainbows with the "Hurricane" motor are much more powerful than the Sirena. I believe the Sirena is using the same motor as the prototype separator type Big Power I have, its labeled Ametek Italia and it looks identical to a Lindhaus (Rotafil) made motor, but single fan and with a separator attached. I think the Ocean Blue used this motor too, if not it was one of the other machines like that.

Post# 384200 , Reply# 35   1/13/2018 at 17:20 by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        

Sirens will move 90 CFM
Rainbow does about 60 CFM.


Post# 384219 , Reply# 36   1/14/2018 at 08:58 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
sirena is actually slightly more powerful

First, let me say that both a Rainbow and a Sirena have enough power to clean well. Having said that, the Sirena is slightly more powerful, especially when using the nonelectric hose. One way you can measure the raw power of a vacuum is to attach a turbo brush to it and see how fast it will spin. Granted, this doesn't mean that a vacuum that spins it a bit slower will not be able to clean, but it is an interesting test. The Sirena is able to spin my rug rat turbo brush a bit faster than my Rainbow E2 black. So, the Sirena's raw power is slightly higher. It does use a motor made by the Italian division of Ametek. Both the Rainbow and Sirena spin a turbo brush about as fast as vacuums such as the Electrolux 1205, Compact C6, etc. That's why I said that the cleaning power of these water filtration machines was about 30 or 40 years behind the power of a current model bagged canister. While these tests are interesting, we still need to keep the basic question in mind, does the machine have enough power to remove dirt from the surface being cleaned, and the answer is yes.
Mike


Post# 384233 , Reply# 37   1/14/2018 at 14:35 by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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Once you actually use a sirena. You'll go right back to a rainbow or other vacuum of preference.

The quality is pretty horrific. The hose and powerhead are pretty bad the hose is a little too short for the machine and the power head is real cheep feeling.


Post# 384238 , Reply# 38   1/14/2018 at 15:02 by markhenry (USA)        

So what they really need to do, is get with the times and produce a Rainbow that has the airflow of over 120 CFM like a kirby, then the price tag which is the same as a kirby will be justified + you get water filtration.

Might just wait until they wake up and produce a Rainbow model that has a real motor in it then.


Post# 384282 , Reply# 39   1/15/2018 at 02:58 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

There is a new Serena at the vac shop I go to-been there now for a few years-nobody wants it-not even me.I have a few Rainbows-interesting to use on occasion-but heavy,awkward,inconvenient to use-emptying and cleaning the bin.Dump the bin for mine outside-remember what the Rainbow salesman sales----"Gets the dirt from out of your house!"Empty the water bin outside and does just that.Waters the plants out there,too!Prefer other machines.also have a Hyla-got that from the Rainbow dealer here-not even close to the Rainbow in quality.The Rainbow is a higher quality unit.

Post# 384284 , Reply# 40   1/15/2018 at 03:35 by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        

I don't think anyone will argue that the Sirena is not as refined as the Rainbow. Its also 1/3rd the price, and still has a 10 year Warranty.

In the two years I've owned my Sirena I may have had some criticism, but no complaints.


Post# 384305 , Reply# 41   1/15/2018 at 14:22 by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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@tolivac you're absolutely correct! My companie have the same Serena sitting at one of the stores for 2 years. Nobody shows interest in it and of course it would be sold at a very reasonable price if somebody did. And personally I'd rather have a used your E-Series rainbow then a new Serena


Post# 384330 , Reply# 42   1/16/2018 at 02:04 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Yes,have the E series Rainbows.They do work well,but not so convenient to use.Do like the new Rainbow powernozzle with the "whisker brushes" that turn-dusts baseboards well without having to use the hose.

Post# 384350 , Reply# 43   1/16/2018 at 14:36 by Rainbowguy2016 (Denton ,Tx)        

@vacuumdevil i didnt think the quality was that bad . Id would trade in my Miele and out of date Rainbow e series in for one . I cant afford a new Rainbow and i dont like used unless it came from a collector . Idk why people think Sirena is so horrible but i can see why you dont like most Vacuumís like the Sirena because their not a precious Miele or Sebo which neither of them groom very well.

Post# 384376 , Reply# 44   1/17/2018 at 03:38 by S31463221 (Frenchburg, KY)        
Markhenry

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While I donít own a Sirena, I wouldnít mind having one. Once upon a time, I even considered being a dealer for them. As Iím sure youíve figured out based on the comments from others here, they are NOT associated with Rexair (the company that makes Rainbow). My big question is who in the world priced you a Sirena for $1500??? They sell for $889 all day long straight from Sirenaís website! Might want to look into ordering directly from the manufacturer before paying someone nearly double what theyíre selling for elsewhere!

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Post# 384378 , Reply# 45   1/17/2018 at 04:04 by markhenry (USA)        

Pretty sure once you convert the US dollar to my dollar and transport... it ends up $1500

Post# 384533 , Reply# 46   1/19/2018 at 22:06 by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

The Water trap vacuums are maxed out on air flow. If they increased the air flow to what other vacuums have. You would be sucking the water in the water pan into the motor.

I have used Sears Powermate canister vacuums from the 80's that move more cubic feet of air and have more inches of water lift than todays Rainbows.

@markhenry. You still seem to be conflicted on what to purchase for your home. No matter what you buy it will come at a cost and there will be associated costs for it's upkeep. Every machine you have asked about in the end you find a plausible sounding reason not to go forward with brand X.

Are you interested in purchasing a machine or just want to see how much drama you can create?


Post# 384534 , Reply# 47   1/19/2018 at 22:21 by markhenry (USA)        

Drama and a machine - Please :)

Post# 384536 , Reply# 48   1/19/2018 at 23:03 by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        
As they say on Shark Tank

"I'M Out."

Post# 384552 , Reply# 49   1/20/2018 at 08:45 by S31463221 (Frenchburg, KY)        
Iím confused

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Markhenry, according to your profile, youíre in the US.......where does the money conversion and transportation costs come into play? The $889 is in USD, and Sirena ships them for free if ordered from them......

Post# 384554 , Reply# 50   1/20/2018 at 09:07 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
quality of Sirena

Personally I have no problem with the quality of the Sirena, actually going to use it today. We had a bit of snow earlier this week and I want to clean the salt off of my apartment stairs, also using my ultrasonic humidifiers has left the furniture dusty, going to use the dusting brush on everything. I think the Sirena cleans as well as the rainbow, and the nonelectric hose will swivel, something the rainbow's hose will not do. The Sirena's basin is also easier to wash because it doesn't have a roof on it like the Rainbow's basin does.
Mike


Post# 384558 , Reply# 51   1/20/2018 at 09:35 by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
It's not easier to clean

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(for me) the rainbow basin has that roof, but you can get your hands in it easily anyway. U have a huge area under the sirena that gets exposed to water spashing up, and that rubber area is a total pain to clean. Whatever material it is dirt sticks to it...whatever that rubber material is around the separator of the rainbow hardly anything sticks to that....It takes me about 5 extra minutes to put my Sirena away than it does my Rainbow.. I can't put either of them away without cleaning everything and wiping it down. If anyone wants to buy my Sirena, let me know. It's clean/shiny and stored away.

Post# 384566 , Reply# 52   1/20/2018 at 18:24 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
gave my Sirena a good work out today

Actually took out the Sirena today and used it to clean up the salt that remained on my floor and on my apartment stairs, we had a bit of snow this week. I used the sidewinder hard floor brush, that tool is awesome, not only can you clean much faster with it, but it works great on stairs and along edges. There was quite a bit on the stairs. Definitely got my exercise for the day. I was able to clean out the basin in much less time, since there is no roof on it, the left over dirt was at the bottom of the basin, much easier to wash out. I did check the area where the separator was, a bit of dirt there but a quick clean with a paper towel removed it. Definitely an awesome machine.
Mike


Post# 384567 , Reply# 53   1/20/2018 at 21:05 by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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@n0oxy when you refer to "sidewinder" is that a tool that it came with? The one I have at my store as a really basic copy of a rainbow bare floor tool. Did they update it with a double swivel made by Wessel?

Post# 384595 , Reply# 54   1/21/2018 at 09:02 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
sidewinder

No, this is not a tool that came with it, it's a tool I bought separately and it's awesome, you can clean a room so much faster than with the regular types of floor brushes, and they're great on stairs. I don't mind pairing up a vacuum with other attachments than what is included if it will work better. Here is a video that shows how the sidewinder works.
Mike


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Post# 384597 , Reply# 55   1/21/2018 at 09:21 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
purchasing the sidewinder hard floor tool

Here is a link where this can be purchased, as I said, this is now my favorite hard floor tool other than the Centec CT10 which is a power nozzle designed for hard floors. Apparently this sidewinder tool is commonly used in commercial environments but it's great for houses or apartments as well. This will fit all vacuums with a standard hose end.
Mike


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Post# 384603 , Reply# 56   1/21/2018 at 13:12 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
other sidewinder tools

Here are the links for the other sidewinder tools that will fit the Sirena and other vacuums with a standard hose end. They will fit Miele and Sebo machines by using an adapter, I already included the hard floor brush in the last post so I will skip that one.
First is the 15 inch carpet tool, I'm actually not sure how well this would work, when cleaning carpet, you need a power nozzle with a spinning brush.
www.centecsystems.com/sidewinder-...
Then there is the 8 inch dusting brush, I use this to dust my ceiling fan blades and my cabinets, with most dusting brushes, you have to hold the hose at an awkward angle for it to work, with this one, the hose can remain flat, I would have to vote for this as the best dusting brush I have used.
www.centecsystems.com/sidewinder-...
And finally there is the 8 inch upholstery tool.
www.centecsystems.com/sidewinder-...
Mike





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