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Thread Number: 22153
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| Post# 248497 , Reply# 1 8/31/2013 at 15:07 (3,888 days old) by vegassucks () | ||
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Hepa filters Take a close look, a $38 saving is huge and worth giving the generic a try. 
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| Post# 248499 , Reply# 2 8/31/2013 at 15:37 (3,888 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
IMHO, there's two machines you should never use an aftermarket bag or filter on: Miele and Filter Queen.
While the 3M (EHCPNA) bags tend to be the better aftermarket, they still leak fine dust into the bag chamber on a Miele. The genuine AirClean do not. The aftermarket HEPA's use inferior media that will not filter to genuine specifications. In addition, the aftermarket HEPA's are more restricting to the airflow, hence the machine runs hotter. Why would you spend good money on a high-end machine and be proud to save a few dollars on the expendables that will compromise its filtration and airflow? Your experiment with aftermarket will void the warranty, too... Personally, I have fifteen Miele's in my collection. Over the years, I've tried the majority of aftermarket bags and filters in my "beater" s314i, and NONE have come close to matching the genuine. This post was last edited 08/31/2013 at 15:56 | ||
| Post# 248504 , Reply# 4 8/31/2013 at 16:02 (3,888 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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Generic bags and Generic Filters Will Void your warranty. I only use Genuine Miele bags and filters. And that goes for all my bagged vacuums. My Rainbow i bought a Generic filter . I think thats ok tho. And plus its an older Rainbow . | ||
| Post# 248506 , Reply# 6 8/31/2013 at 16:16 (3,888 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas) | ||
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It's your warranty to void and your money to waste. | ||
| Post# 248509 , Reply# 9 8/31/2013 at 16:34 (3,888 days old) by vegassucks () | ||
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This is the OEM bag See the dust leaking. I have only used the OEM bag, they are no better than some of the generics. 
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| Post# 248510 , Reply# 10 8/31/2013 at 16:48 (3,888 days old) by Vacuumfreeeke () | ||
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That does look pretty bad... are those paper or the synthetic cloth like material? | ||
| Post# 248511 , Reply# 11 8/31/2013 at 16:49 (3,888 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas) | ||
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If your miele is leaking that much dust into the bag chamber then something is seriously wrong, did your miele come packaged with the hyclean or airclean bags? | ||
| Post# 248512 , Reply# 12 8/31/2013 at 16:54 (3,888 days old) by vegassucks () | ||
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OEM bag This is the bag, OEM has not been changed. 
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| Post# 248513 , Reply# 13 8/31/2013 at 16:57 (3,888 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas) | ||
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To be honest, I am stunned. I have never seen an S8 with that much dust leakage. In this case, if the copy bags don't leak as much than I would use them! | ||
| Post# 248516 , Reply# 15 8/31/2013 at 17:01 (3,888 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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Miele bags I use the oem bags and they dont leak . I might be something your picking up. | ||
| Post# 248518 , Reply# 16 8/31/2013 at 17:12 (3,888 days old) by vacman117 (Chicago, IL) | ||
 That is most definitely not normal for your machine to be doing that. I have never seen or used a Miele that leaked that much dust, and every one that I have owned and used has had a genuine Miele bag. I would replace the bag with another genuine one and see what happens. If the problem persists I'd take to your dealer and see what they think...
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| Post# 248519 , Reply# 17 8/31/2013 at 17:17 (3,888 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas) | ||
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I echo what chase said, wipe out the chamber, put a new genuine bag in, and if it does this again then take it to a service center and have it fixed under warranty. Scott | ||
| Post# 248524 , Reply# 18 8/31/2013 at 17:52 (3,888 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 248532 , Reply# 20 8/31/2013 at 19:21 (3,888 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
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The silicone gasket on the bag opening forms an airtight seal to the spout when the bag door is closed and the bag is inserted correctly. This means dust and debris will not leak between the bag collar and spout when inside the machine provided the bag is inserted correctly. If the bag is not inserted properly, it will cause dust to accumulate on the collar and other areas throughout the bag chamber, as your photos show...
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| Post# 248534 , Reply# 22 8/31/2013 at 20:41 (3,887 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
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I'm sorry, vegassucks, but I do not need to find it in writing. The silicone gasket on the Miele AirClean bag forms an airtight seal to the spout on the bag door provided the bag is installed correctly.
If the bag door is opened and closed repeatedly without the bag being pushed back into its slot completely, it will do exactly what occurred in your photograph. Judging by the stress marks on the pullout tab on your GN bag, it appears you've removed and inserted it multiple times.
Good luck with your aftermarkets, though... | ||
| Post# 248859 , Reply# 24 9/2/2013 at 21:10 (3,885 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Well if you have the bags from Go Vacuum, do report. If not, why try and assume that they are just as good? The Proof, as they say, is in the pudding.
I have used copy bags too in my Miele vacuums - and the story isn't good. Oh yes they're cheap at the time to buy but they tend to have a shorter life than Miele's genuine bags. My other problem with the bags is that they don't stay in after the lid has been opened. They seem to catch on the main dust channel shroud and prise themselves out of the plastic holder thus causing damage TO THE plastic holder cartridge when the lid won't pop open properly. I have bought copy bags in the past when stocks of the IntensiveClean bags have either dried up or they are no longer on sale. Bagged vacuums hardly expel as much dust anyway as bagless - but by using copy bags, I find that not only can they lead to damage due to their poor fixings but also they can damage/badly stain the felt filter at the motor vent (not the exhaust). | ||
| Post# 248886 , Reply# 26 9/2/2013 at 23:33 (3,885 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
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"...[the silicone gasket] is only a seal to prevent leakage when taking the bag out to change it."
Thank you for the laugh, vegassucks! I suggest you cut the collar from a genuine bag and observe it from the reverse. Report back with your findings...
"If you believe that the bag is airtight I cannot stop you."
I never said the vacuum bag is airtight. As someone who has spent years in the vacuum industry, I've never come across an airtight vacuum bag. It doesn't sound like it would work very well, though.
"When you change your bag next time just lift the inlet around the pipe and move it around, you will realize how lose the fit is."
I wonder why Miele installed a silicone gasket then? If you hold the bag against the spout and observe the gasket through the use of a small mirror, you'll notice the gasket maintains its seal when moved around due its flexible nature. When properly installed in the bag holder, the gasket will create an airtight seal to the spout when the bag door is closed.
"Do you have any idea how tight it would fit around the pipe if it were?"
Last I checked, friction isn't the only way to create a seal. Materials, such as silicone, can create a seal too.
"Those who believe Miele has some superior bag that can not be duplicated for half the price are good for vacuum shops and Miele."
I have tried the 3M (EHCPNA), EnviroCare Technologies and the DVC branded melt blown polypropylene bags in my Miele s314i. All of them leaked fine dust into the bag chamber and soiled the pre-motor filter. Bobby kindly took a photo of the bag door on his Miele S7280 using the "ZVac" bags sold through GoVacuum. Judging by his photo, they appear to leak dust too.
Miele's nine-ply melt blown polypropylene bag is superior and has yet to be equalled. When you have a precision piece of German engineering, it's a real shame that you seem to advocate the use of cheap Chinese expendables that greatly compromise the proper operation and long-life of the machine. | ||
| Post# 248889 , Reply# 28 9/2/2013 at 23:57 (3,885 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Actually what you should do is order another OEM HEPA filter and take it apart. I think Go-Vacuum do a superb video on You Tube showing how difficult it it to take apart the Miele HEPA filter, to prove that it is sealed up. Only then by comparing the actual destruction of the OEM part will you know whether it is the same as the one Miele also sell.
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| Post# 248894 , Reply# 29 9/3/2013 at 01:29 (3,885 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
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Vegassucks... I debated even responding to you as you seem to think you know everything. However, as an industry professional and life-long hobbyist, I'd like to point out the source of all your issues as it's blatantly obvious...
!!! Your bag is not installed properly !!!
Please clean off the collar using another vacuum, install the bag PROPERLY and you'll find that the issue will disappear.
...or don't do as I suggest, as I'm sure you'll just continue to direct your ignorant comments towards me.
(For your convenience, I took the time to attach a PDF of the owners manual for your Miele.) CLICK HERE TO GO TO piano_god's LINK | ||
| Post# 248897 , Reply# 31 9/3/2013 at 02:17 (3,885 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
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"Piano or Vacuum God or whatever you call yourself! YOUR WRONG! But I do appreciate your attempt to fix something that is not broken. The bag is in correctly, PERIOD."
For my sanity and the sanity of Vacuumland, I'm finished with you, Vegassucks.
Sadly, I cannot "fix" an ignorant owner whose vacuum is clearly over the head of its user. Hence, I suggest you return your Miele. | ||
| Post# 248902 , Reply# 33 9/3/2013 at 04:00 (3,885 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
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Vegassucks,
I am delighted my advise assisted you in installing your GN bag correctly. It's incredibly kind that you'd take the time out of your busy day learning how to use your Miele to think of me. A picture truly is worth a thousand words and I'll cherish it for many years to come. Knowing that I got through to you only once is truly a highlight for me.
I'd also like to apologise for the additional advise I provided you, which was also read by the many members and guests of Vacuumland. As I believed this forum was open to all members, regardless if they were hobbyists or those in the vacuum industry, I thought participation was encouraged. Obviously, I was mistaken and for that I'm truly sorry.
As you already know everything, rest assured that the entire membership of the forum shall worship you silently and only create discussion unless you give prior permission for that discussion to take place. I'll also be in contact with various vacuum manufacturers and parts distributors to inform them that there's someone who knows everything. They'll be delighted!
In addition, I see you've created a new "favourite vacuum" thread; a typical trend of yours. September's "flavour of the month" appears to be a Sebo 370 Comfort. Please know that I'm waiting eagerly for your next "favourite vacuum". Could I suggest contacting media for breaking news coverage on your next favourite machine? Oops, my apologies for causing further stress with that suggestion.
My deepest, sincerest, heartfelt apologies for the incredible inconvenience I've put you through while you underwent a three-day ordeal attempting to install a bag on your vacuum cleaner. It's a highlight that my advise was able to end your suffering.
Condolences,
Scott (AKA God, Vacuum God, Vaccuum God, Piano God and Piano or Vacuum God or whatever you call yourself) | ||
| Post# 248904 , Reply# 34 9/3/2013 at 04:27 (3,885 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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I have to say, I use genuine Miele bags too, and I get a fine amount of dust leakage. Not enough to keep me awake at niight, and certainly not as much as the generic tat bags I got with it, but there is some. Could be worse, the Panasonic I cleaned up and gave to mum has already browned it's bag door with an incredible amount of dust leakage from genuine panasonic bags! | ||
| Post# 249010 , Reply# 36 9/3/2013 at 21:36 (3,884 days old) by vegassucks () | ||
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The OEM seal Now see the seal n the OEM bag, it is not truly round, might be a bad bag I will purchase new ones and compare. 
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| Post# 249236 , Reply# 39 9/6/2013 at 05:15 (3,882 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England) | ||
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| Post# 249252 , Reply# 41 9/6/2013 at 11:06 (3,882 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 249259 , Reply# 43 9/6/2013 at 13:30 (3,882 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 249261 , Reply# 45 9/6/2013 at 13:53 (3,882 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 249272 , Reply# 46 9/6/2013 at 16:40 (3,882 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 249605 , Reply# 50 9/9/2013 at 15:58 (3,879 days old) by vegassucks () | ||
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| Post# 456002 , Reply# 51 8/19/2022 at 01:51 (613 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
For anyone reading this wanting to save money on Miele bags, there is a way to buy the Original Miele AirClean FJM and GN bags and save TONS of money!
Every dealer has access to the Miele ProPack packages of GN and FJM bags - this is their supply of bags they buy at discounted rates for repairs when a customer brings in a Miele vacuum for repair and the bag needs replacement. It is a box of 32 bags plus the pre motor and Super Air Clean filters per 4 bags. Go into your local authorized Miele dealer and tell them you will buy each bag loose for $2.00 a bag plus tax. Trust me, they WILL do it - McHardy Vacuum here in London, Ontario at the Dundas Street location in particular will do it if you go in store to purchase - so don't let any authorized Miele dealer tell you they can't do it! Threaten the dealer that YOU WILL go to their competition if they don't sell the bags at that price. And I would also use it as a bargaining chip if you're buying a new Miele vacuum from them - warn them if they don't agree to sell the bags at that price after the sale you will take your business to their competition. Considering a 4 pack of genuine Miele bags is $20 plus tax, this is considerable savings vs paying $5.00 a bag. Rob
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| Post# 456109 , Reply# 52 8/22/2022 at 15:03 (610 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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| Post# 456118 , Reply# 53 8/22/2022 at 19:46 (610 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
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Alex, the problem vegassucks had was he made the mistake most new Miele owners make - opening the bag door to check the bag. and not clicking the bag back in place in the bag holder before closing the bag door again. Then since the bag door tube didn't go into the hole in the bag collar, dirt leaked into the bag chamber instead of going into the bag. Vegassucks was dumb enough to think it was because the silicone seal surrounging the hole on the bag collar didn't make a good enough seal to the bag door tube and was "defective". Man that guy was such a dumbass! :P
As far as I am concerned, I don't care what anyone here or ANY Miele dealer tries to say - when installed and used properly, THE GENERIC BAGS DO NOT LEAK - PERIOD! I have owned several Miele canisters and used many generic bags over the years, and my experience has been they work perfectly fine. The only thing I suggest is to buy generic bags with the IntensiveClean or AirClean style collar for best results. I merely decided to mention about being able to get the genuine Miele bags for cheap when I found out about it through my local dealer - who just so happens to be Canada's largest Miele dealer, I might add - that way, anyone else who chooses to use the genuine bags for whatever reason knows how to get them at the best possible price. Rob | ||
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