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Thread Number: 22015
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Post# 246780 , Reply# 1 8/20/2013 at 21:14 (3,899 days old) by gottahaveahoove  (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Hans!!!!! | ||
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Post# 246781 , Reply# 2 8/20/2013 at 21:27 (3,899 days old) by Electrolux137 (Los Angeles) |
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 To me, "vintage" covers from the beginning of vacuum cleaner history up to machines I remember from my "middle childhood" up into the mid 1960s. (My 13th birthday, when I became a teenager, was in 1969.) That's really kind of an arbitrary measurement in terms of dates, but to me a vintage machine would have to be one that carries nostalgic resonances from my younger years. That's really the key for me, really. A lot of wonderful, beautiful, excellently made vacuum cleaners were made after that and, indeed, some are still being made today. But if I don't remember them from childhood, they just don't have that special, almost magical attraction for me. | ||
| Post# 246788 , Reply# 3 8/20/2013 at 21:50 (3,899 days old) by Collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk) | ||
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| Post# 246790 , Reply# 4 8/20/2013 at 21:54 (3,899 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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I will be 48 the 3rd of September...LOL! | ||
| Post# 246792 , Reply# 5 8/20/2013 at 21:57 (3,899 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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I think of vintage being anything older that 15 years. And anything older than 100 is antique. | ||
| Post# 246805 , Reply# 6 8/20/2013 at 22:45 (3,899 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS) | ||
I was born in 85, now I have to admit I have a hard time with anything from the 80's as vintage even though it is. To me things from late 70's and older catch my eye for the vintage factor. As for the vintage of the 80's and early 90's they catch my eye for the nostalgic of my childhood. I guess i'm not ready for things of my childhood to be "vintage".. OMG do you realize the Kirby Gen 3 is now vintage!!! Holy cow
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Post# 246814 , Reply# 7 8/20/2013 at 23:19 (3,899 days old) by Electrolux137 (Los Angeles) |
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| Post# 246858 , Reply# 9 8/21/2013 at 05:56 (3,899 days old) by ncovert (Grove City, PA) | ||
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To me... ...anything older than 20 years is vintage, and anything over 50 years is antique. | ||
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Post# 246877 , Reply# 10 8/21/2013 at 07:13 (3,899 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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| Post# 246890 , Reply# 11 8/21/2013 at 08:23 (3,899 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
The definition of an antique.
According to Webster's dictionary, an Antique is. "A relic, or object of ancient times, or earlier period than the present." (Also) "A work of art, piece of furniture, or decrative object made at a much earlier period." And finally. "100 years or older."
As for Vintage, everything I found had to do with wine, the only other note was. "A date when something was produced or existed." I see any non electric's as a true antique, an Electrolux model V (1924) as vintage. Personally, I don't consider anything made after 1970 vintage, that's a collectable. The vacuum cleaners I grew up with were all from the 1920's to late 50's. But as I said, that's just my take on things, just because a Kirby Omega is not an antique, or even vintage, doesn't mean it's not old, and that alone makes it priceless. At the first meeting of the V.C.C.C. in May of 1985, John Lucia, Mike Pupek, and several others, myself included set the standard. As I recall, the cut-off was 1960. We also set catagories. New, like new, new in the box, and so on. The exact wording I don't recall. (Please refresh my memory Mr. Lucia) fact is everything had a time frame. That was almost 30 years ago, and that list is hoplessly outdated. They say, 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder,' they also say 'one mans trash is anothers treasure!' Here at Vacuumland, both statements are true. Alex Taber. | ||
| Post# 246900 , Reply# 12 8/21/2013 at 09:15 (3,899 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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Maybe we should re-look at the rules then as to what the forum considers vintage and contemporary? I agree with you, 20 year old machines nowadays are not vintage, that's what, 1994? I don't consider Turbopower 2's old or vintage! | ||
| Post# 246952 , Reply# 13 8/21/2013 at 14:32 (3,899 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
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In the old days, it was 'one size fit's all.'
When John Lucia, and the rest of us began getting the club going, it was mostly trial and error. Establishing rules, and guidelines was not an issue, providing a sounding board was our only desire.
Back then, there were companies by the dozen who made vacuum cleaners, and the common names of today, didn't exist. Hoover, Eureka, General Electric, Regina, Shetland/Lewyt, and others were everywhere. Department stores, K-Mart, and thousands of fly by night vacuum cleaner shops blanketed the country. In addition to these, were the rather high end machines. Air-Way, Compact, Electrolux, Filter Queen, Kirby, Royal and a few others that were sold on an in-home demo basis. All of us had one goal, to learn as much as we could about these brands. We shared stories of each others interests, swapped instruction books, (and in some cases actual vacuum cleaners) and phone calls by the score. Please remenber that this was long before internet, cell phone, and E-bay. Each of us liked what was in grandma's closet, and had to have it. And what's most important, aside from Hoover, who accepted us, Electrolux, Kirby and so on were interested in sales. They couldn't care less about their history, that didn't make money! Then in 1985, we held our first meeting (not convention) there were 5 of us there to set the rules. Again the classic brands like Hoover, Eureka, Electrolux and so on were the issue. Nice as a 1205 was, it didn't fit in the mix. Too new! Cut to 2013, there's the V.C.C.C., Vacuumland, and The Vacuum cleaner assoc., (am I missing anybody?) Knowledge is everywhere, we have the forum, and place to buy, trade sell or swap. In the old days the only way to show what you had was the Neswletter, and it came out every two months, until John Lucia and I got tired doing it alone, and cut back to a quarterly. Trust me, that was a backbreaking job. Today, it's all a mouse click away. Antique, vintage, collectable is not important! what it has to be, or should be, is what's important it to you. So what differance does it make if it's a Hoover model O, or a Romba? Alex Taber. | ||
| Post# 246956 , Reply# 14 8/21/2013 at 15:12 (3,899 days old) by RootCyclone (East Midlands,UK.) | ||
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Vintage - In my view anything that is over 20-25 years old and not up to date standards. Such as: -Hoover Junior -Hoover Senior -Hoover Dustette -Very First Dyson DC01s -Hoover Constellation -1981 Numatic Henry The list goes on, but those are a few examples. - | ||
| Post# 246959 , Reply# 15 8/21/2013 at 15:25 (3,899 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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| Post# 246960 , Reply# 16 8/21/2013 at 15:31 (3,899 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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@Hans
Remember the first Convention when we all met (you drove a vintage car)? We all laughed and joked that when the day came that people would be collecting Hoover Elites (which we considered cheap junk in 1994), someone should shoot us because the world was surely going to come to an end. And now, today, people are actually collecting vacuums we threw in the dumpsters. I guess that's the trouble with 'getting old'. Stan Kann wouldn't even dream of using a vacuum made after World War II - as he thought anything made after the war was 'cheap junk'.
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| Post# 246980 , Reply# 18 8/21/2013 at 17:12 (3,899 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
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Hi Tom. Great list.
Contemporary, I like that!
Basically I agree with Stan Kann, with a few exceptions. I'd say the Electrolux LX as my personal cut off on post W.W.11. Let me add, that this does not include the LXI, once they changed the yellow/red nameplate and added hammertone blue, it looses some of it's luster. For me, it's what I find visually interesting that goes into the collection. Also, a lot of it goes back to early childhood. I asocciate vacuum cleaners with the people who had them, for example the lady with the LX. If she'd had an upright Air-way, then I'd have gotten hooked on that. You and John Lucia know better than anybody, my love of research, however, as a man who runs a museum, you have more knowledge than I do. Doors are open to you that were not for me. Electrolux wouldn't talk to me, and in the one letter I got from Charles Mc'Kee, stating that I knew more about Electrolux than he did, but he also made it clear, he had no interest in history. I see a vacuum cleaner as art. The design, and so on is a huge factor. We all know that the non-electric's didn't work, and cost a mint, but boy did they look great! Alex Taber. | ||
| Post# 246989 , Reply# 19 8/21/2013 at 18:34 (3,898 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Most of the people that I knew growing up were using vacuums made within a ten year period. Had a neighbor directly next door that was using a Kenkart when I was born, and bought a new Sears upright when I was about 3. I remember a lady with a Sunbeam Dual Deluxe who had it until I was like 5 or so, then bought a new Electrolux. So even in 'the good old days' it seems like people kept their vacuums about ten years. The first (and only) vacuum I ever dragged home from the trash was in 1968 and it was a GE Roll Easy. Replaced by our neighbor with a brand new Chrome Dome Rainbow. Don't know why they didn't trade in the GE - but I remember the stink when I turned it on. The disposable bags in those days were horrible, except for an Air-Way or Electrolux, all the other bags were so thin and leaked dust. And almost no one bought genuine bags. They bought their bags at the grocery store. Except the Air-Way and Electrolux cleaners I remember growing up with, none of the mothers used genuine bags. My best friend's mom had a Dial-A-Matic and she always bought the bags at the grocery store, Blue Luster brand I think, and I'll never forget the dust 'puff' right into her face every time she turned it on.
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| Post# 247003 , Reply# 21 8/21/2013 at 20:03 (3,898 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 247007 , Reply# 22 8/21/2013 at 20:14 (3,898 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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I think stereos and tvs Have to be tube type to my mind..LOL I think my age is showing, i remember the tV we had when I was a kid, a 21 inch console Sears Silvertone , black and white of course!! | ||
| Post# 247008 , Reply# 23 8/21/2013 at 20:22 (3,898 days old) by bnsd60m9200 (Akron OH) | ||
for me, 1985 is where i stop calling things "vintage". by definition, anything over 25 is vintage and 50 antique per antique collectors general rule of thumb for anything with a plug. 100 + for furniture. so thats where i judge too. however, i personally enjoy vacs and appliances from 1955-1980 best.
Will hemb | ||
| Post# 247046 , Reply# 24 8/21/2013 at 22:34 (3,898 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
I think you should at lest consider anything that's of unusually rare quality and craftsmanship...not the kind of everyday practicality which the old markets of the world were over abundantly inundated with to the point of drowning. Something being over a hundred years old is just fine, but being made of the most expensive materials and rendered with a superior skill is a horse all together of another color. The rarer it is the more costly it was to first produce, and therefore by this reason more scarce in finding any complete examples in today's world. I guess it's got to be at lest a 1000 to 1 ratio between the mass produced poppers trinkets and the gilded possessions of the wealthy. The poor had the copper and the rich had the silver, so my advice is to collect all the silver - as much as you can hold. Nowadays, it seems like silver can be just about anything and everything one can possible imagine, and I guess that's rightly so.
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| Post# 247068 , Reply# 25 8/22/2013 at 02:37 (3,898 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
LOL
I can't imagine being "nostalgic" for anything post-1990!
Born in 1969, I grew up with quality (long-lasting stuff from back in the '40s, '50s, and '60s -- even as far back as the '20s - as well as contemporary stuff in the '70s), and I saw a definite decline in quality starting in about the mid-'80s. And when I say "quality", I'm talking about across-the-board consumer products, not just for high-end consumers. Pre-1985, what set apart the "high end" from the "low end" was mostly style, trim, and features; if you got an entry-level product, it may have been stripped down, but it was the same basic quality as the high-end models (like how a Mercedes C250 is $32K, an S65 AMG is $212K, but they're still both Mercedes). | ||
| Post# 247077 , Reply# 26 8/22/2013 at 03:26 (3,898 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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I agree, but I'll go one step further and say that I'm not even enamored with the decade pre-1990, if I might be so bold. I think the analogy I was attempting was more in line with a $350.000 Lamborghini as compared with a $27.000 Ford Taurus. Personally, I'm more inclined in collecting curiosities from the 1700 century thru the 1900 century. I tend to gravitate more to the rarer objects, and I'm less inclined of course towards the more common everyday type of items you might find, but that's just me.
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Post# 247092 , Reply# 28 8/22/2013 at 06:26 (3,898 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Bakelite is plastic--Rubber technically is a plastic-just a naturally derived one.So is wood for that matter-All contain long natural polymer fibers.Bakelite is an early cellulose base plastic. | ||
| Post# 247093 , Reply# 29 8/22/2013 at 06:37 (3,898 days old) by midcenturyfan (Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England) | ||
I know that this is not really an answer to the original question, but rather an explanation as to how I decided where to draw the line with my collection.
My main interest is in Hoover upright machines. Even this one range consists of a vast number of different models and obviously new designs are being introduced all of the time. I therefore decided that I had to set some perameters or the subject would be infinite. I decided that I will collect the pre-turbo models. I have nothing against the later machines, but I would rather that they went to other collectors who would probably get more pleasure from them than I would. Robin. | ||
| Post# 247096 , Reply# 30 8/22/2013 at 07:03 (3,898 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Apart from my love for vacuums, I also love a lot of car brands and if there is one other brand I adore, its the swedish cars from Saab and Volvo. We also had a Volvo 240 back in the 1980s. Great car, built like a tank, no style whatsoever but it had a charm of reliability and just functioned the way a saloon/sedan should. I see the U.S generally call the Volvo 240, a "Classic" and "Vintage." Those cars were made right until 1990, so there's another reason to why or how I class things made before 1990 as vintage. I was heartbroken when the 240 eventually became too expensive to fix. My father eventually got rid of it in 1995 and bought a Honda made in the UK which was anything but reliable!
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| Post# 247107 , Reply# 31 8/22/2013 at 09:17 (3,898 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 247187 , Reply# 32 8/22/2013 at 16:09 (3,898 days old) by DaveTranter (Central England, U.K.) | ||
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Natural polymers Thanks for splitting those hairs, Tolivac...... Someone HAD to...... ;-) The general principle still stands, though??? All best Dave T | ||
| Post# 247206 , Reply# 34 8/22/2013 at 17:34 (3,897 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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| Post# 247211 , Reply# 35 8/22/2013 at 18:18 (3,897 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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Re Dyson/// Some guys love them....I DO NOT, no offense to those who do. | ||
| Post# 247221 , Reply# 36 8/22/2013 at 19:44 (3,897 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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A Dyson is not vintage. I think that anything made after 1979 isn't all that interesting from a build quality standpoint, as compared to vacuums made before 1979. I like Filter Queens that have METAL guts and dirt container, Chrome Dome Rainbows, metal bodied Electrolux BEFORE the Diamond Jubilee (and it's horrible motor), 5033 bag Kenmores, Compact C-8, Royal tanks with Air-Way built RugMasteR, and of course, Air-Way's.
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| Post# 247254 , Reply# 37 8/22/2013 at 22:10 (3,897 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Dysonman ...
... you're right.
Post-1980 is when we saw the rise of the conglomerate and the "globalization" of production. This is why today's mass-produced products are uninspired plain vanilla: everything is churned out of a central factory for the entire WORLD, so it has to be universally appealing. No fancy colors. No cutting-edge design. The whole world is turning beige. | ||
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Post# 247279 , Reply# 39 8/23/2013 at 03:54 (3,897 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Dave go along with you on the "polymers"We can say the natural ones and early plastics-come to think of it-cotton fibers could be considered natural polymers,too.And silk!Some plastics engineers "got" the idea of extruded polymer fibers from spiders and insects. | ||
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Post# 247292 , Reply# 40 8/23/2013 at 06:02 (3,897 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.) |
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I would say... | ||
| Post# 247343 , Reply# 41 8/23/2013 at 12:37 (3,897 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 247375 , Reply# 43 8/23/2013 at 15:14 (3,897 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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@ultimatevacman | ||
| Post# 247382 , Reply# 44 8/23/2013 at 15:44 (3,897 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 247413 , Reply# 45 8/23/2013 at 21:47 (3,896 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
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Looking good Tom! | ||
| Post# 247435 , Reply# 46 8/24/2013 at 06:39 (3,896 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
In my opinion... | ||
| Post# 247439 , Reply# 47 8/24/2013 at 07:30 (3,896 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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@Alex T.
That picture was taken last summer at my new home in St. James, Missouri. I'm two doors away from the Tacony Factory where the Vacuum Cleaner Museum is located. It's so cool that I get to walk to work every day. And it's a dream job that I never take for granted. When I 'get' to vacuum my house, I use the Rainbow. Dan uses the Miele upright, and since he's the one who vacuums most of the time (because he's home all day), I come home to a clean house. He actually enjoys using a "heavy" vacuum (his words) because he thinks it cleans better. It's ironic that at the Museum, I often vacuum with the Rainbow or an Electrolux. Boy I sure get some 'looks' from the executives of the Company. I've recently been cleaning with the new Tacony canister (it will be launched to the public in November), which I like, but I'll always go back to my Rainbow. "Wet Dust Cannot Fly".
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| Post# 247698 , Reply# 49 8/25/2013 at 18:15 (3,894 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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It all sounds quite subjective. People's opinions are fluid and ever changing. One day your hot and the next day your not, but one thing you can always count on is the relentless sledge hammer of time mercilessly marches on leaving nothing but death and destruction in it's wake. It's amazing we can find any vacuums to collect, but we shall try!
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