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Post# 246360   8/18/2013 at 04:12 (1,649 days old) by glenste (England)        

Can anyone recommend an effective turbo brush (floor tool)for pet hair?

Most seem to pretty much stop turning when they touch the floor on all but very thin carpet.

Post# 246365 , Reply# 1   8/18/2013 at 06:30 (1,649 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Dyson turbo brushes are designed to not slow down and have effective airflow when in use, or even better you can get the tangle free turbine brush! Its basically the turbo brush that doesnt need cleaning ever, but personally I would choose the Dyson ones any day, it was impossible for me to vacuum the car with my proline once, I had 100% better success using the Dyson one on my DC25 Animal, It will pick up the hair

Post# 246381 , Reply# 2   8/18/2013 at 10:21 (1,649 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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In my opinion and experience, I think it depends on the brand and the type. I've had a few Turbo brushes from different brands over the years where even the largest air turbine fitted struggles on thick carpeting. The Wessel Werk types (supplied to Miele, SEBO, Bosch, Numatic and early Dysons like the DC02) are one of the better types on the market - those wheels on the underside to provide good movement but more so for the fact that the brush rolls do pick up rather well and mostly all WW types feature a slider control/air outlet bleed valve. Of course it starts to go to pot if the bag on your vacuum is getting rather filled up, or if the brush roll is requiring to be cleaned off. Brands such as Miele & SEBO have counteracted this problem by fitting better sealage or uprated the power somewhat.

Generally though I find air driven turbo brushes a compromise.

However if pets rule the roost in your home and you have tons of carpets, effectively before long you'll require a proper roller and any upright on the market can satisfy that. No doubt due to Dyson and Vax, there are plenty "mini" upright vacuums on the market that now effectively outweigh the usage of cylinder vacuums only when it comes to dealing with pet hair.

What machine(s) do you have? What have you used before?

Post# 246384 , Reply# 3   8/18/2013 at 10:46 (1,649 days old) by myles_v (Stafford, Virginia, USA)        

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I normally use my Wessel Werk turbo head on my central vacuum. It works pretty well, I got a great deal on it on Ebay.

Post# 246385 , Reply# 4   8/18/2013 at 11:16 (1,649 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Since we in the UK don't have central vacuums, I naturally assumed all CV's come with power nozzles/PNs?

Post# 246388 , Reply# 5   8/18/2013 at 11:29 (1,649 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI)        

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Not entirely sure, but I think central vacuums have the option for a power nozzle, but as far as I know they have to be purchased seperately, along with the electrified hose to run it. Of course, your CV system has to be wired for an electric hose for it to work. I am sure some do come without wiring for an electric hose, as it would be pointless to spend the extra $ (or £) if you have no carpeting.

Post# 246391 , Reply# 6   8/18/2013 at 11:38 (1,649 days old) by jade_angel (Newport News, VA)        

I've yet to see a full-size turbo nozzle that works especially well, although apparently some of the Miele and Dyson ones (and third-party ones from Wessel Werk) don't bog down too badly. For pet hair, though, a proper electric power nozzle is likely to give much more satisfactory results.

Post# 246392 , Reply# 7   8/18/2013 at 11:56 (1,649 days old) by myles_v (Stafford, Virginia, USA)        

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There are many different attachment sets for them. Some have special tools that vacuum and mop hard floors (much like the Dyson Hard) which would normally come with a low voltage hose so you can turn the vacuum on/off without having to unplug the hose. You could also buy a low voltage hose with a turbo nozzle (Turbo Cat by Vacuflo is a popular one) or you could buy an electric hose and electric power nozzle. You don't have to have the system wired for that though. You can have inlets wired for direct connect hoses, or you could buy a pigtail hose which means there is a 6-8 foot/2-2.5 ish meter long electrical cord on the inlet end of the hose which you would plug into a nearby electrical outlet (central vac inlets are supposed to be installed near electrical outlets).

All central vacuums have low voltage wiring to the inlets that signals the unit to turn off when you insert the hose or turn it on at the hose handle. I have a standard hose (have to unplug to turn off and plug in to turn on) and a turbo nozzle. I prefer turbo nozzles because if the hose gets kinked in another room then it would stop the turbo nozzle, alerting me of the kink in the hose. With an electric nozzle it would just keep going, not cleaning because of the lack of suction. I personally really like the central vacuum system; it's much quieter inside, it exhausts all the air outside, it's easy to use for dusting because the hose follows you around and reaches all over (no need to deal with holding a portable vacuum and a hose) and it rarely has to have the bag replaced. It is pretty loud and high pitched in the backyard though, since the exhaust is back there.

I've thought about buying a power nozzle/electric hose but I think the turbo nozzle is fine. Plus I can always vacuum with an upright vacuum or power nozzled canister once in a while to get up any left over dirt and grit the central vac doesn't get out.


Post# 246393 , Reply# 8   8/18/2013 at 11:58 (1,649 days old) by myles_v (Stafford, Virginia, USA)        

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My Wessel Werk nozzle doesn't have a bleeder valve, but it does have a vent in the corner. It works pretty well with my central vacuum system but central vacs do provide a lot more suction and airflow than standard portable vacuums do. It does work relatively well with a few of my portables though.

This picture is from ThinkVacuums. I'm on my phone and the ThinkVacuums website doesn't work right on my phone, otherwise I would post a link to where I got this image from.

Post# 246394 , Reply# 9   8/18/2013 at 12:02 (1,649 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Central vacs and power nozzles

As far as i know there are three types of Central vac hoses:

Non electric: a non current carrying hose which has a metal ring at the wall inlet end to complete the low voltage circuit.

Low Voltage: Has internal wiring for the low voltage system so the central vac can be turned off and on from the handle of the hose.
Dual Voltage (high voltage) Carries current for both the low voltage system and a power nozzle they typically have a 3 position switch (off, central on, and central+ nozzle)

Getting back on topic i have a turbo cat and feel it's a pretty good nozzle you will want to use a fairly powerful vacuum with it. I haven't seen it completely stop. A power nozzle will still outclean the turbocat though.

Post# 246399 , Reply# 10   8/18/2013 at 12:22 (1,649 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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How fascinating! Good to know info!

Post# 246440 , Reply# 11   8/18/2013 at 17:03 (1,648 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

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Don't forget the electric mini PN like a Lux SideKickô & Wessel Werk HEB160!

They can clean "hard-to-reach" places like stairs, upholstery & car interiors better than turbine powered brushes; & the electric versions don't slow down like turbo ones do as the bag (or dirt bin) fills.

The SideKickô & HEB160 fits most canister & central vac electrified hoses, or U can use non-electrified hose & external extension cord.

The Wessel Werk HEB160 is more universal fit.

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Post# 246444 , Reply# 12   8/18/2013 at 17:29 (1,648 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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I actually liked the sleek turbo nozzle that came with the retro Hoover Constellation / Maytag Satellite. It seemed to work very well with the powerful airflow of that model.

You can get the exact same turbo nozzle in red instead of black on one of your UK Numatic Henrys....

Post# 246450 , Reply# 13   8/18/2013 at 18:46 (1,648 days old) by jade_angel (Newport News, VA)        

I will say this, though - airflow absolutely matters with turbo nozzles. I've had two turbo hand tools over the years - one came with a Handy-Way Sani-Clean that my folks had, and it worked well with that vacuum, but when we tried to use it on a Dirt Devil upright, it was completely inadequate. The other came with a Kenmore Progressive, and was never good for much with that one, except with brand-new bags and filters, but it works alright (not great, but alright) with a Filter Queen 95X.

If you have something really powerful - anything central, or for portables Riccar, Tri-Star, Miele, Filter Queen or Silver King, they'll work alright.

Post# 246466 , Reply# 14   8/18/2013 at 20:47 (1,648 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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First of all, may I ask what vacuum you wish to use the turbo brush with? As others have mentioned, airflow is important so it would be useful to know if your particular cleaner is powerful enough to drive a turbo brush satisfactorily. Also, while the majority of cleaners use a standard 32mm fitting, there are others that use different diameter tubes or even their own proprietary fittings, which would limit your choices somewhat.

If your machine has standard 32mm tubes, the Numatic Airo Brush is a good option in my experience. Works very well, is as durable as anything else out there, and it has a removable flap underneath so you can clean out any objects that may accidentally get caught in the turbine.

The Wessel Werk TK280 (see link below) is another good one. Most vacuum shops or online spares dealers will have these available, usually in a choice of diameters to suit your specific vacuum. Exactly the same as the head provided with my Sebo cylinder, and so far I haven't had any cause for complaint. No cleanout flap however; accessing the turbine means using a screwdriver to disassemble the head, although that's easy enough to do.

Other than that, Vax make a turbo head with a clear hood that hinges open for cleaning. Perhaps not quite as durable as the other two, but performs about the same and is probably the best of the three when it comes to edge cleaning. Again, very easy to find because virtually anyone that sells Vax spares will either have it in stock or be able to get you one.


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