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Post# 245470   8/13/2013 at 03:35 (3,901 days old) by baglessball ()        

I wonder what will be made of this..

The impact test to the bins is pretty impressive.


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Post# 245472 , Reply# 1   8/13/2013 at 03:42 (3,901 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

As we all know, they can test all they like but the real testing takes place when a model goes live. That's when the real trouble start. Factory testing can only replicate assumed potential problems, and furthermore the tests are identical, for instance one ram into a skirting board after another.

If any manufacturer wants to test cleaners to be sure, 12 months use across 100 members of the public would be a start.


Post# 245474 , Reply# 2   8/13/2013 at 04:17 (3,901 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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The impact test is impressive to watch, but people don't replace the bin on their Dyson because a hefty lump of metal got dropped onto it from a height. They replace them because the bin flap hinges are thin and break easily.

As for the "designed to survive 10 years" claim, I'm not entirely convinced that Dyson even want people to keep their cleaners that long. This is why they frequently run a trade in promotion, offering 20% off a new cleaner. I work at the main distribution centre for a major retailer, and amongst other makes and models, the amount of late model Dysons that get traded in is unreal - some of which are new enough to still be under guarantee. They know full well that people get bored of what they already have, and the discount is just a little nudge to persuade them to upgrade early. Not only does this increase their sales volumes, it also thins the herd of discontinued models out in the field, thus lessening the demand for spare parts provision in future years. There's nothing particularly wrong with that per se, and some would say it makes good business sense. But it can hardly be described as "green" (if that's your thing), and is definitely isn't something they do out the kindness of their hearts as a favour to the consumer.


Post# 245518 , Reply# 3   8/13/2013 at 13:34 (3,901 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
I'd hate to rant but-

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It annoys me how Dyson thinks they are so much better than everyone else!

 

"Self-Adjusting cleaner Head"-Has been around nearly forever- Straight suction floor tools, The Hoover Elite 200, Etc.

"Twice the suction of any other vacuum"-Use the vacuum for a week- THEN tell me that again.

Notice in the test about the  dust in the crevice- the Dyson's burshroll is on, while the Shark's is not.Also notice how the vacuum cleaner itself (The Shark) is seen off before the vacuum sound stops- For all i know this was faked, The lights rigged, Or the hose removed.

What i do not understand- Is how this machine can still be certified by the British Asthma Foundation when it comes to Emptying that bin.

"Lots of Features" Nothing much too different from other cleaners- Just the basic tools like Turbine head, hose, Etc. So what if the hose "Lifts away", didn't Fantom do that first? (Note- I am unsure if they did or did not).

"Edge cleaning"- There's plenty of vacuums that have superb edge cleaning- Hoover & Eureka VIBRATE the grit and dirt towards the cleaning head. for example.

"Tested to survive 10 years"- 10 Years? Seriously? What happened to 30,40,50, Even 60 Years? Notice in their "bin smashy test" the bin cracks, you can see it at 6:28. 

 

Now, THIS Is Durability Testing!

 

(Notice- I know I'm likely to get backed over by a Dyson delivery ran for posting this thread- But I simply felt the need to stand against this over-hype vacuum cleaner).

 

-Alex.

 



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Post# 245521 , Reply# 4   8/13/2013 at 13:49 (3,901 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

This video.inspired me to buy a DC41 but.is the cleaner head performance better than a DC07 without clutch? And are dc40brisles better than tge dc41? Thanks

Post# 245523 , Reply# 5   8/13/2013 at 13:53 (3,901 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
i agree spiraclean

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people dont only buy dysons to clean they have become some weird kind of must have status symbol they certainly wont want it to last 10 years when theres the latest model to be had

Post# 245529 , Reply# 6   8/13/2013 at 14:34 (3,901 days old) by RootCyclone (East Midlands,UK.)        
Hold your horses!

The testing done at Dyson does not replicate real life. It only partly does, remember that the testing has been condensed in the facility itself.

Sorry people but Dyson are the best out there. The best performing, The best innovation. With Numatic following close behind!

Because British vacuums, are the best. End of.


Post# 245533 , Reply# 7   8/13/2013 at 14:40 (3,901 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        
End of?

Tell that to people who've had Dysons fall to bits on them. They've got a hell of a lot better in terms of build quality, of that I grant you, but they could do a lot more. They know exactly what they are doing.

Post# 245535 , Reply# 8   8/13/2013 at 14:43 (3,901 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

My two early dc04s are not great, the plastic was worse back then. The difference between the 04 and 07 is night and day plastic quality wise

Post# 245536 , Reply# 9   8/13/2013 at 14:45 (3,901 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
"Because British vacuums are the best"

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That's quite a huge statement there.

 

Are you saying those little cheap things you buy at Tesco are going to prevail over a Kirby Dual-Sanitronic 50?

Or perhaps the Numatic over the Canadian Model 88 Elux-O-Matic?

 

While i hate to be rude- Dysons are certainly not the "Best out there".

Would they be the best when your pipes burst in winter?

No, your best bet would be a Wet/Dry Unit.

Would they be the best at removing deep-down grit and other damaging bits from under your rugs?

No, For that you'll require a Cleaner with superb positive agitation.

Would they be the best at lasting until the end of time?

No, For that you'll require a Quality Machine, such as Kirby or an older Eureka/Hoover style cleaner.

 

The only thing I can see Dysons being of use for- Is firewood.

I performed a test a year or two ago for bagless vacuums, I'll be Re-Performing this shortly, but with a wider range of vacuum cleaners.

 

-Alex.


Post# 245537 , Reply# 10   8/13/2013 at 14:47 (3,901 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Because British vacuums, are the best. End of.

Now that we know this we can stop searching, thanks for posting.


Post# 245539 , Reply# 11   8/13/2013 at 14:59 (3,901 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        
Now that we know this we can stop searching, thanks for post

That made me smile.

Post# 245543 , Reply# 12   8/13/2013 at 15:41 (3,901 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada)        
"Because British vacuums, are the best. End of."

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Hmmmm, I could have sworn Dyson's were merely "designed" in Malmesbury, yet made in Senai, Malaysia...

 

Sorry, but that doesn't make a Dyson a British vacuum. Numatic, however, IS a British vacuum.

 

 

 

 


Post# 245556 , Reply# 13   8/13/2013 at 16:44 (3,901 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
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those of you in the Uk look around you house and tell me how many apps you have that were made in the UK while your at it take a look in your garage or on your drive once upon a time we could make anything now we would be lucky to knock up a half decent egg timer

Post# 245611 , Reply# 14   8/14/2013 at 05:55 (3,900 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        
Dyson tests

Looks impressive but it hasn't stopped the issues I have encountered with my DC24 over the 4 years I have had it.

The cleaner head burnt out after 3 years use after developing the most horrendous rattling sound - a bit like a bee. Dyson sent out another head, its now started that horrible noise again after only 6 months use. The wand handle has snapped in the same place twice, causing the handle not to stay in the machine - seems like a weakness, where the handle can't cope with the twisting of the machine from left to right. I thought it was designed to be twisted in use.

I see that the DC50 has been improved on the wand level and I the cleaner head brush roller is more substantial. I did read on Manchester Vacs that there seems to be a design fault with the DC40 and DC41 cleaner heads.

On a positive note, Dyson has excellent customer service and send out parts. I cannot fault them there.

Vid link for the noise and handle issue.


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Post# 245612 , Reply# 15   8/14/2013 at 05:56 (3,900 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        
Handle snapping out






Post# 245762 , Reply# 16   8/15/2013 at 05:45 (3,899 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

BTW Tesco vacs (uprights) are good vacs, well actually decent for a cheap vac, and look at the Argos Value range bagless upright your gonna be amazed at the power with the way the suction is sealed into the carpet

Post# 245763 , Reply# 17   8/15/2013 at 05:50 (3,899 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Numatic is the only british vacuum left in the UK now, and they are amazing, they are robust, powerful, quiet, have 5 litre bags, are good looking (not related) but they are so reliable that they are more popular than Dyson, if not then less, Dyson just had success and oelder people know that Dyson started off to be the original bagless vac, and then they put their trust in the brand, and even my Dad'd friend saw us at the carboot sale, he was like " You bought a Dyson too? so did I" he got a DC04 for £5 and he says they are good quality, Dysons are, and he would have bought another.

Post# 245781 , Reply# 18   8/15/2013 at 09:29 (3,899 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        
look around you house and tell me how many apps you have tha

Bit biased posting that on a vacuum forum! Off my head there are 8 or 9 british made and built machines in our flat! Granted they are all older Hoovers, but you didn't specify 'not vacs!'

Post# 245811 , Reply# 19   8/15/2013 at 11:16 (3,899 days old) by Sebox4 ()        

"Sorry people but Dyson are the best out there. The best performing, The best innovation. With Numatic following close behind!

Because British vacuums, are the best. End of."

That gave me a good laugh!

"Dyson started off to be the original bagless vac"

That gave me a good laugh too!

I've recently used a DC25, which was alright I guess, certainly nothing to justify the price, and the hose broke when it was only a few months old under the use of a very careful owner, guess the tests missed that bit!

Matt



Post# 245829 , Reply# 20   8/15/2013 at 13:32 (3,899 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
yes beko

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i should have said not counting us vac enthusiasts i myself have countless british made apps [not just vacs ]all made by companies sadly long gone

Post# 245876 , Reply# 21   8/15/2013 at 17:46 (3,899 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I never had a Dyson hose rip.on me in use apartvfrom a dc03 in 2006/07 when I was 8

Post# 245944 , Reply# 22   8/16/2013 at 07:58 (3,898 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Im impressed with the video to be honest - but what a shame the motors still make a racket. Once they get to the likes of supreme motor noise of Miele, then may have a buyer here.

Post# 245997 , Reply# 23   8/16/2013 at 14:59 (3,898 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        
Hoses

The hose on an upright Dyson is actually rather symbolic in my opinion, as the whole design of the hose does of course hark right back to the original Dyson cleaner and is something James Dyson thought of, designed, created, and seemingly fell in love with to the extent that no attempt has been made to better the problems which his design has created.

No other manufacturer would ever consider plugging away with such a poor design, which ultimately must have cost the company tens of thousands of pounds in hoses replaced under warranty, but where others would be forced to go back to the drawing board and rethink the whole design, Dyson has made so much money that it can take another approach and put money into a sinking fund for want of a better expression, and use this to fund the cost of sending out new hoses. Remember, it isn't just the cost of the hose, it's also the administration of the order, the cost of the call-handler or e-mail handler, not to mention the postage & packaging. It all adds up.

The interesting thing about the Dyson upright hose design is that so many Dyson owners I have spoken to have actually said the hose was the part they liked the least, as they generally found it to be awkward, unwieldy, and generally inconvenient. One woman I spoke to claimed that in her haste when removing the wand to use the hose, she once unwitting put the whole thing straight through a glass over-head light fitting as she pulled it out of the cleaner. Another said to me she actually considered that little thought at all had gone into the design of the hose, given how impractical she found it. I have no idea what cleaner she had before but what she did say was that all she had to do with that one was to pull the hose end out of the back of the cleaner to use it. It could of course been any number of upright cleaners with a description like that, as few others seems to have gone anywhere near replicating the Dyson design.


Post# 246013 , Reply# 24   8/16/2013 at 16:42 (3,898 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        
Sebox4

Rex air AKA Rainbow was the first bagless vaccum. originally designed by James kirby who scrapped the idea.

For my money Kirby pre generation models are still the best vacuums and most reliable. Anything that is bragged up on an 30 min. infomercial is far to good to be true.


Post# 246117 , Reply# 25   8/16/2013 at 23:49 (3,897 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA)        

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I actually like the hose design on my Dyson DC-14 quite a bit, it's 4 years old and the hose has yet to break although I have read about them having that problem. I did pull out the hose and wand once under the ceiling fan that I had forgotten was on, the sound scared me a bit but nothing was damaged. I've also picked up my Oreck and hit the handle into the fan, which left a brown scuff on the Oreck handle but didn't damage the fan.

Post# 246131 , Reply# 26   8/17/2013 at 01:04 (3,897 days old) by kenkart ()        
Re Best!

Plastic will never be better than metal!Go into any vac shop in the US and you will see tons of broken Dysons, they are very fragile machines made out of very thin plastic, Give me a D-50 or D-80 anyday!Better yet, my Hoover 150, darn near 80 years old and it has the best automatic height adjusting mechanism ever devised,and will outclean most anything made today!

Post# 246155 , Reply# 27   8/17/2013 at 01:49 (3,897 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

And look into any vac shops dumpster-what do you see---lots of broken,dirty,dusty "plastivacs" we all know who they are!They are waiting to be crushed into plastic schrapnel in the trash trucks packer!


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