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| Post# 242630 7/28/2013 at 16:11 (3,923 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Today I picked up a Sebo X4 for £3 off a carboot. They said it worked but it dosen't. I've changed the fuse & still nothing. Any suggestions on how to fix it before it goes on eBay? | ||
| Post# 242633 , Reply# 1 7/28/2013 at 16:17 (3,923 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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I saw one go locally for a few quid, does a red light come on? If so, it appears to be sensor related, a quick stripdown and clean may help, if not there maybe a thermal fuse to be re-soldered! | ||
| Post# 242634 , Reply# 2 7/28/2013 at 16:19 (3,923 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 242636 , Reply# 3 7/28/2013 at 16:20 (3,923 days old) by vegassucks () | ||
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Start here Here is a video on the Windsor, same vacuum. target="_blank">m.youtube.com/watchQUESTIONMARKRE... | ||
| Post# 242640 , Reply# 4 7/28/2013 at 16:34 (3,923 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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beko1987 No red light came on - it just refused to switch on. Turbo500 I took the handle off & looked fine but providing they're cheap enough perhaps I could try a new handle which has the cord connected. Everything else looked fine. | ||
| Post# 242643 , Reply# 7 7/28/2013 at 16:38 (3,923 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England) | ||
Yep... | ||
| Post# 242647 , Reply# 8 7/28/2013 at 16:46 (3,923 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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So how much would it cost to get the cord / handle? It's my first Sebo & I want to get it working, I thought that for £3 there must be something wrong, but hopefully it is only the cord as everything else seems OK. | ||
| Post# 242705 , Reply# 11 7/29/2013 at 02:54 (3,923 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK) | ||
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Lol James yours was free and working you can't get a better deal than that! | ||
| Post# 242766 , Reply# 13 7/29/2013 at 09:46 (3,923 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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My Dad bought a multimeter so he's going to be doing the work on the handle, it will probably be the case of re-attaching a wire or something like that. | ||
| Post# 243479 , Reply# 15 8/3/2013 at 06:54 (3,918 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Sorry for the late reply but espares all do excellent videos for the SEBO X series. I found them really helpful!
CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 243504 , Reply# 16 8/3/2013 at 10:01 (3,918 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 243512 , Reply# 17 8/3/2013 at 10:18 (3,918 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Hi sebofan all I need is the 3 smaller cleaning tools & possibly the stair stretch hose. I'm buying bags & filters for it soon but thankfully it does work so yay! | ||
| Post# 243516 , Reply# 18 8/3/2013 at 10:31 (3,918 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Also does anyone know what it means when the Brush Check & Bag Full light come on & flash once when the machine switches on? | ||
| Post# 243518 , Reply# 19 8/3/2013 at 10:50 (3,918 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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They all do that flashing thing, a lot of appliances do. | ||
| Post# 243524 , Reply# 20 8/3/2013 at 11:21 (3,917 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 243535 , Reply# 21 8/3/2013 at 13:02 (3,917 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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OK VR that's a relief, thought there was something wrong with it! Sebofan - I have seen them on eBay but will buy bags first. | ||
| Post# 243578 , Reply# 22 8/3/2013 at 18:22 (3,917 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 243586 , Reply# 23 8/3/2013 at 19:39 (3,917 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Yes it does aswell as that small filter on the floor head. | ||
| Post# 243636 , Reply# 24 8/4/2013 at 05:46 (3,917 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 243645 , Reply# 25 8/4/2013 at 09:38 (3,917 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Yes I have | ||
| Post# 243709 , Reply# 26 8/4/2013 at 18:52 (3,916 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 243758 , Reply# 28 8/5/2013 at 05:26 (3,916 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 243760 , Reply# 29 8/5/2013 at 05:41 (3,916 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Ok I will | ||
| Post# 243848 , Reply# 30 8/5/2013 at 16:05 (3,915 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
SEBO all the way!
Glad to hear hi-loswitch98 your £3 SEBO X4 car boot find is now working well, hope you enjoy using it once you have some new bags. I would like to get an X4 at some point! I've got a Felix which I choose over the X4 at the time I got it (6 years ago) but I do love the flexibility of the Felix. The X4 and Felix is what got me interested in the Brand and change my opinion of bagless vacuums!!
Sebo_fan quick question is the SEBO turbo tool any good? As I have a Miele S7 wasn't sure if to get the SEBO one or Miele one! I want it for the stairs mainly and to remove pet hair. | ||
| Post# 243851 , Reply# 31 8/5/2013 at 16:14 (3,915 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Both standard turbo brushes are equally good since they're both made by German company Wessel Werk. The shape on the Miele is slightly curvier but I find the SEBO one far more accessible to clean out.
I do however also have ANOTHER Miele small turbo brush that is a smaller one and perfect for stairs as it has a far more squat shape. Pity there isn't any where on the Miele to store it though - unlike the Felix which has that handy 2 part tool storer at the front where you can swap around tools as much as you like. The smaller Miele turbo brush goes under the code of STB20 but remains to be a online purchase only - SEBO's standard "mini" turbo brush can be bought at John Lewis. Not sure if Euronics stores sell them too, though - they may well do. Link to Miele's tool: CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK 
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| Post# 243852 , Reply# 32 8/5/2013 at 16:14 (3,915 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Thanks madaboutsebo - I am thinking of selling it though once I have some filters / bags & tools. So keep an eye out. I'll keep you posted | ||
| Post# 243853 , Reply# 33 8/5/2013 at 16:18 (3,915 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I think you should keep it - it would be good to have a premium model/semi commercial vacuum amongst your domestic ones. Not many bagged uprights on the market these days and ones that have bags as big as the SEBO that are easy to buy and last long before the next one requires replacing. Its a reason to why I keep my X4. I love my Felix but I also love my X4 & X1.
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| Post# 243867 , Reply# 34 8/5/2013 at 16:36 (3,915 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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I don't know yet I'll see but I do admit it is a good vacuum cleaner which grooms the pile really well due to it's 'Scrubbing Brush Bristles' feel or brushes. | ||
| Post# 243870 , Reply# 35 8/5/2013 at 16:42 (3,915 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Thanks Sebo_fan for the info on both turbo brushes much appreciated! Like that Miele mini turbo tool! Thanks for the link. Might have to save up and by the Sebo one and the mini one by Miele! Although may just get the SEBO one as I use the Felix to vacuum the car out. I'm building up my accessories since I no longer own a Dyson and had loads of accessories for them!!
By the way I've got some of the new synthetic bags for the Felix can't wait to try them! On the last paper one! They look very similar to the Miele ones but not as thick! | ||
| Post# 243875 , Reply# 36 8/5/2013 at 16:50 (3,915 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Your welcome hi-loswitch98, ok will do! I think you should keep it like Sebo_fan says! Mind you if you do sell it you will make a bit of money on it I bet!
Glad to hear it grooms the carpet well! SEBO do have a good brush bar on their vacuums! I take it the bag on its a bit full? Still got good suction from what you said if it is nearly full! I like how the bag as it fills compacts the dust and dirt! | ||
| Post# 243876 , Reply# 37 8/5/2013 at 16:51 (3,915 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 244021 , Reply# 39 8/6/2013 at 05:43 (3,915 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 244139 , Reply# 40 8/6/2013 at 16:22 (3,914 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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That's good then hi-loswitch98, you should find the suction stays like that as the bag fills up! Yeah you probably will make that much. They certainly where that's the problem these days people to quick to throw out and buy new! Least you got lucky hey! They can be as much as £279.99 and £299.99 for the pet version so you have got a very good bargain!
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| Post# 244140 , Reply# 41 8/6/2013 at 16:23 (3,914 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 244157 , Reply# 42 8/6/2013 at 19:55 (3,914 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Generally, the X series is probably one of the better value vacuums out there - I never realised until I started buying the vacuums themselves and the dust bags how much cheaper it was compared to Miele's standard 4 in a box routine. Also, Miele claim that the dust bags of 4.5 litres and 5 litres are big - well, not in my home - I find that I replace more Miele dust bags than necessary in a year compared to the Sebo X which has 5.5 litres by statistic.
Having repaired a few X models, the common filter that requires replacing is the motor filter. The kitchen roll "microfilter" only needs a quick brush down unless it is completely worn through. Low cost is a great SEBO factor where their filters and bags are concerned - in MY experience. | ||
| Post# 244321 , Reply# 43 8/7/2013 at 17:23 (3,913 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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That's very true I've notice the price difference between the Sebo and Miele in terms of bag prices! I do like the Miele S7 but I wished I'd had goneore for the Sebo X4. I got a reasonable deal when I got the Miele S7 which is why I got one! My Felix is yet to have any new filters after 10 Paper bags although the pre motor filter is looking a bit dirty now but not too bad. Post motor filter just has carbon dust on it from the motor probably replace that soon!
I've noticed SEBO is making more of a presence on the domestic seen with new displays in places like Currys electrical stores; I've noticed they are recruiting for in store demonstrators too for places like John Lewis and Currys. This is a very positive step to them Promoting the brand more! | ||
| Post# 244339 , Reply# 45 8/7/2013 at 18:38 (3,913 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Our local BJ'S Electrical store uses an X1.1 to vacuum around the shop with but do have lots on the shelf too. | ||
| Post# 244351 , Reply# 46 8/7/2013 at 19:36 (3,913 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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John Lewis were the first to sell SEBO
Jon/madaboutsebo- John Lewis stocked SEBO almost from the very beginning in the UK in the 1990s- it is where you can buy "on the high street" not just the X uprights but also a few Felix models and later on the cylinder vacs, though the uprights are more popular - also John Lewis stock some consumables that CURRYS don't sell - like the extension hose, turbo brushes, replacement hoses - over and above the full filter kits, separate bags and motor filter for the X. Due to John Lewis' previous "never undersold" policy, SEBO buyers were finding cheaper X uprights online elsewhere and presenting the findings to John Lewis who were losing money by having to offer the X series at those lower costs - hence the reason for the X4 EXCEL which is a John Lewis exclusive and therefore at a fixed price.
After John Lewis were pretty much the sole seller for SEBO, Euronics followed suit and then Miller Bros (now bust) were the third stockist to sell SEBO, followed by Co-Op Electrical, Comet, Argos and now Tesco. CURRYS on the other hand were pretty much the LAST seller offline to offer the SEBO brand. Argos no longer sells SEBO and well of course you know Comet is bust as well. As for in-store demonstrators, I don't feel that it has much to do with the actual brand - and I'll tell you why - the company don't really need to have them in the first place nowadays. I believe there were more demonstrators from SEBO UK direct in the 1990s when the company arrived at John Lewis but now SEBO concentrate more on their UK website for visitors rather than put in place personnel into every branch. It really comes down to the sales on EACH branch of John Lewis in terms of SEBO sales. Additionally, a couple of years ago when visiting a Glasgow branch of John Lewis, MY review had been printed up and pasted to the wall where the SEBO uprights were being sold. Did I get any money from it? No? Was I approached from John Lewis or SEBO to use my review? No. So I called up SEBO and eventually wrote to their managing director who clearly explained that SEBO demonstrators aren't sent from the company themselves, but rather are put into certain stores where the appliances are not selling very well, rather for the point of JOHN LEWIS to maintain that contract with the brand, rather than lose SEBO. SEBO aren't a big company like Miele, but JL have been good for the brand and vice versa. The only other demo people I've met at JL stores are those for Polti irons, steamers and sometimes demonstrators from Bosch for their wash appliances. | ||
| Post# 244352 , Reply# 47 8/7/2013 at 19:44 (3,913 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Demonstrating - it doesn't really pay.
On a separate note Benny, demonstrators put into stores like John Lewis aren't always professionally based, sometimes just being owners who have applied to the brand and have been considered to be placed in stores, where again sales may be flagging. I have spoken to a few demo personnel in the past who admit that the salary isn't that good, though travel is paid for, a base hourly rate ISNT considered, but rather just a small figure of payment to stand all day in a store and repeatedly go over a script of features. Demo personnel don't always have the machines in store (or are given new machines) to demo and often just bring their own to "showcase."
I think with the advent of the internet, it minimises the personnel usage of demo'ing in general. I think stores like Currys and John Lewis that allow customers to try individual models however is a great advantage to keep in place. I don't however think that SEBO are poaching Dyson buyers any LESS than Miele and other premium brands. How can SEBO do that when the ranges that they have are smaller in variation to what Miele sell? Dyson's displays though are pretty impressive. I've often spent time trying out the hand helds and being amazed by the quality of the displays and their "toy" like features that allow you to push and prod things. Does it make me want to buy the product from the said feature? No, but it is impressive enough. Lastly, if there is THREE other brands who continually do have demo personnel, it is to the likes of MAGIMIX food processors, KENWOOD for their Chef and cooking Chef models and Nespresso, especially at John Lewis where there are constant demonstrators around to allow consumers to have a sample of the coffee on offer. | ||
| Post# 244407 , Reply# 49 8/8/2013 at 06:21 (3,913 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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That's interesting about Dyson's paying good money for demo personnel. Miele, SEBO and Bosch don't really pay that much!
Or perhaps SEBO is playing the same card as Dyson - they were after all rated at the top for reliability unlike Dyson - but at the same time I don't see anything wrong with Dyson doing static displays and demos - after all, lets face it, Dyson are doing niche products such as their hand dryer etc - the company are first and foremost about design, so it would make sense in this day and age to have that current brand remain current and at the top of its game - given that John Lewis and Currys all stock bagless vacs from other brands. Dyson are playing a double game here. | ||
| Post# 244409 , Reply# 51 8/8/2013 at 06:51 (3,913 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 244412 , Reply# 53 8/8/2013 at 07:46 (3,913 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Um I hate to let you know - the 101 does have a pump - otherwise it wouldn't be a carpet washer...
I had my parents Powa model (the blue and orange 1200 watt) for many years and felt that whilst the carpet looked clean and felt springier, it wasn't the machine that did that but rather the shampoo and the fact that it had been treated with being washed. It was certainly very back breaking for me - the moment I eventually bought a Bissell upright, life was easier. Our old Powa had the original 101 plastic/acrylic double channel heads, one large and one small one. The newer machines have a naff plastic 2 in1 combo head, though they look cooler but not as effective. I bought one many years ago for our old Powa before I sold it on but I wasn't very impressed with it. I note that Vax have brought out a new "spin scrub" brush head for the Vax tubs but whether it is more effective or not, I don't know. | ||
| Post# 244422 , Reply# 55 8/8/2013 at 09:35 (3,913 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Im 6ft as well but I can't stand the back bending exercise with suction only heads to draw water out. The only successful comfortable machine I've ever tried when washing carpets has been the Numatic George.
To be honest I much prefer having a damper carpet than manually going over wet carpet again to draw out excess moisture - too much suction and agitation again removes carpet top pile that then destroys the look and natural direction flow of carpet pile. I find that my old Bissell powerdrive upright is very effective and takes a far shorter time to wash a carpet if I require to do so. Far prefer either the heating switched on to room dry the carpet or just leave the window open. | ||
| Post# 244513 , Reply# 57 8/8/2013 at 15:45 (3,912 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here - I sincerely hope that grit doesn't go into the clean water tank - otherwise your Vax has a major problem!
My Bissell may lack a back hose but it is superb for getting grit, stones and all matter of pet stains out. Another good one that Bissell make is the little green Machine. | ||
| Post# 244522 , Reply# 58 8/8/2013 at 16:34 (3,912 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Sorry if it was difficult to understand but nothing goes into the clean tank, only clean water and solution mix is in there. Everything else goes into the dirty tank. | ||
| Post# 244530 , Reply# 59 8/8/2013 at 16:44 (3,912 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 244537 , Reply# 60 8/8/2013 at 16:57 (3,912 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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What do you mean? | ||
| Post# 244538 , Reply# 61 8/8/2013 at 16:59 (3,912 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 244539 , Reply# 62 8/8/2013 at 17:01 (3,912 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Oh that setup, that's what put me off the AromaPro in the first place, except quite a lot of dirty water being extracted went in to the clean water tank, not good. | ||
| Post# 244540 , Reply# 63 8/8/2013 at 17:04 (3,912 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 244542 , Reply# 64 8/8/2013 at 17:09 (3,912 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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It happened in mine, sadly but I have moved on with the classic Vax now. Prefer cylinder carpet cleaners but sold the 6131, realised how much I missed it & got another one, albeit an older version. | ||
| Post# 244543 , Reply# 65 8/8/2013 at 17:17 (3,912 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Sadly I've moved on too - I was originally going to get the Numatic George before I bought my Charles many years ago and even if the Numatic George is so much better built than Vax can dream of, I realised that my carpets really needed constant brush roll agitation as opposed to suction only tools. At that point I went from the Vax to a U.S Dirt Devil "Floorkeeper," based model in the UK under the Vax Rapide "Total Floors" V-029 model. Quite good for hard floors but ever so useless for carpet despite the brush roll. Still, it was a compact enough model and I quite liked the Dirt Devil design, able to suck up dry dirt "bagless" style with a round ring HEPA filter and able to change over to brush roll agitation with a snap on/off replacement cover for hard floors that stored at the side.
Vax of course no longer make or sell it, though I think it was one of the first models from Dirt Devil in the U.S 
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| Post# 244622 , Reply# 67 8/9/2013 at 06:42 (3,912 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 244638 , Reply# 69 8/9/2013 at 07:03 (3,912 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Oh god, I had the original Automop head - very heavy and despite the swivel not that effective when it was supposed to dry floors. Much prefer steaming hard floors if I'm honest, though the Vax S2S I bought early last year is anything but easy to use. Much prefer my old cheap Hometek light n easy.
I've noted that there are a lot of brands who are now offering cheap steam cleaner uprights that either break early or leave the floor far too wet. The Vax S2S is such a machine. Its very well designed in so far as being able to be used with either a detergent added to its tank or with water combined, but I usually just spray a little 151 Elbow Grease on the floor and get the Hometek working around that. Whereas it would take me roughly half an hour to an hour of setting up the Vax to mop the floor and then spend ages getting it dry with the squeegee, the Hometek is far faster. It is also faster than the Vax S2S - doesn't leave floors too wet and puts down dry steam as opposed to wet. Sometimes the surprise of going with a cheaper brand pays off. | ||
| Post# 244641 , Reply# 70 8/9/2013 at 07:09 (3,912 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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ASDA sell an 'Abode' model for £22. | ||
| Post# 244642 , Reply# 71 8/9/2013 at 07:20 (3,912 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I would actually be inclined to go for Hometek again - simply because I have all the original and secondary purchased Velcro rectangular Microfibre heads that, I suppose could be fitted to other brands, provided they offer a similar floor head but you would have to ensure that the Velcro pads actually stick onto whatever any other brand are offering. I must admit, I've always appreciated Hometek though as they are cheap to buy, easy to maintain, easy and quick to use, and though not the best made, are a heck of a lot lighter than the mass brand offerings.
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| Post# 244651 , Reply# 72 8/9/2013 at 07:43 (3,912 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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I do remember the Home Tek being on the shopping channels when I was younger. | ||
| Post# 244656 , Reply# 73 8/9/2013 at 07:56 (3,912 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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The Sebo Bags / Filters / Tools have arrived & when I go home in a few hours I will test them to see how well it works & I'll let you know after. | ||
| Post# 244696 , Reply# 74 8/9/2013 at 11:21 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Wow that was quick delivery - mind you whenever I've bought from Miele or SEBO, the delivery is pretty quick. Amazon UK are pretty quick too. EBAY UK is another matter...
Let us know how you get on! And dont forget the orange slider at the bottom release pedal - it gives you the option to have the handle unlocked all the way, or a stepped position if you want to get over the cord or any thresholds. There are only a few downsides to the SEBO X series in general and I do wish SEBO would update it. In time perhaps! | ||
| Post# 244854 , Reply# 76 8/9/2013 at 15:54 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The top hose works better if you keep one hand on the model and one hand on the hoister wand - as indicated in the manual. It really makes no difference as a lot of brands suggest that - I also find it easier at times just to use the hose without the hoister added - but if you get the extension hose, that adds a lot more to the standard 3 metre hose - and with it added by threading it into the hoister wand tube, it makes a superb reach and clean device that is also lightweight and so easy to use.
I never realised how good the actual handle onto the that main extension tube is until I started to clean with it. | ||
| Post# 244872 , Reply# 77 8/9/2013 at 16:36 (3,911 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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I do that now. | ||
| Post# 244881 , Reply# 78 8/9/2013 at 17:44 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 244889 , Reply# 80 8/9/2013 at 18:25 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The X series was designed as a semi-commercial domestic model and at that time on the market SEBO wanted to keep things simple and didn't have a brush roll on/off function. They've since updated their 370 commercial upright to have a brush roll on/off function, so I guess its only a matter of time before that may happen on the X series.
As for the other things; 2) An extension straight tube is available, but its a cost optional part and fixes onto the bottom of the hoister wand or can be used with the hose alone. Again SEBO wanted to keep it simple and so only added a single extension wand to the design with the hoister handle added. If you want to clean ceilings, you can if you add the long crevice tool to the end of the hoister wand - but I know what you mean. 3) The hose shouldn't pop out of the extension hose - it may be an old hose or an old hoister wand as there is a press release button to unlock the hose from the hoister wand. 4) The sensor compensates for brush roll wear as well as sensing carpet nap, hence the reason for it go up and down all the time. It used to annoy the hell out of me but then its a really lightweight machine to push and pull after the heavy action of other brands like Hoover's TP2 and 3 uprights. 5) Again the age of the machine doesn't have a brush roll on/off, though like all SEBO uprights, the brush roll will stop if there's a jam and can be switched off (remove the clog) and switch back on again without any cool down time needed. 6) The 35MM tools fit ALL other SEBO ranges - and they can be cheap to source dependent on what you are willing to put up with; new or second hand - really depends on the time of sourcing and online auction sites. The X4 also has optional tools other than the straight tube extension and the extension hose - they used to sell a kit that included that and the large dusting brush with a clamp. The larger dust brush is far better than the smaller one that JL usually sell alongside as the bristles don't get sucked in as much and do the job. | ||
| Post# 244892 , Reply# 81 8/9/2013 at 18:31 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The things Id like to see are:
1) Same hoister wand but with the lightweight telescopic height adjustable plastic & metal suction tube that the same K series has, that way the telescopic height bottom tube can be adjusted for extra height and reach. 2) Brush roll on/off function like the Felix. 3) A Variable suction slider like the Felix. 4) More spaces available for optional tools to store onto. | ||
| Post# 244915 , Reply# 82 8/9/2013 at 20:48 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Also, this is a fab video for the Windsor series in the U.S, though the music is a bit like porno music of the 1980s : )
CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 244977 , Reply# 83 8/10/2013 at 04:42 (3,911 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Thanks, Sebo_fan, are you sure your OK? :) | ||
| Post# 244984 , Reply# 84 8/10/2013 at 07:32 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 245000 , Reply# 85 8/10/2013 at 11:48 (3,910 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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You've gone a bit loose recently. For example, putting smiles on the end of comments. Unless you always used to do that. Plus what would you know porno music sounds like LOL :). Just kidding. | ||
| Post# 245013 , Reply# 86 8/10/2013 at 15:19 (3,910 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Thanks sebo_fan for the insight into Sebo background of entering the UK domestic market and in store demonstrator. Starting to obtain more info on Sebo history thanks to your knowledge. I see what you mean about Currys beginning the last to stock Sebo like you say they don't stock the accessories like John Lewis.
Interesting to see yours and hi-loswitch98 views on what you like to improve on the X Series more or less what I would like to see too. I wish I had got an X Series over my Miele S7, I do like it but found myself using my Felix more than the S7! | ||
| Post# 245014 , Reply# 87 8/10/2013 at 15:22 (3,910 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 245021 , Reply# 88 8/10/2013 at 15:57 (3,910 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Thank you but Actually mad - you should check out the profile of another member on here who has plenty more SEBO uprights than I do and other info - ryry_87 - he has a few vintage SEBO commercial uprights. See www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...
You will also see a clear SEBO X4 - this is made in the U.S with the components shipped over Germany - SEBO won't do a European version as they feel the acrylic isn't well made and only use that model for promo purposes. Generally, as a classic Hoover fan I was a bit dismayed when I began to research the SEBO company in the mid 1990s as there was very little info about the company until they started to put their websites online and Canada was one of the first countries outside Europe to feature a SEBO website compared to the U.S company site that took a few years to catch up. Certainly, the SEBO brand is known more worldwide with its commercial uprights than the domestic market, but the brand are steadily becoming more recognised, not just by collectors, reviewers and such like, but also by other sites online. Generally the company appear conservative to me, but that's only because they are a small company compared to all the big brands. Thus, waiting for new models to appear is a bit like waiting for lost time. What appeals to me greatly about SEBO is the same with Dyson - both are clearly engineer and design based as opposed to just trying to make a fast buck. I also had a Miele S7 for a while, they're nicely designed but far too big and bulky and the Felix is a smaller and far more controllable. The only things they have in common are the variable suction control, brush roll on/off and the swivel action. SEBO would do well to offer the suction control and brush roll on/off on their next X series, if there is to be a new X series. Hi-Lo - well sometimes I like putting smiles at the end of sentences - as for porno music - well as a music student in the 1990s I already HAD to play cheesy keyboard with a 4 piece band for adult nature videos - but the less said about that, the better! | ||
| Post# 245032 , Reply# 89 8/10/2013 at 17:04 (3,910 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Oh right I see. | ||
| Post# 245038 , Reply# 90 8/10/2013 at 17:21 (3,910 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Great thanks sebo_fan - Ryan for the link to ryry_87 will check that out. I've seen a picture and YouTube video of the clear X4 looks cool! Vintage Sebo vacuums look forward to seeing them! Before I found SEBO I was a fanatical Dyson fan although I still like to follow what James Dyson and his engineers are up to just don't own any dyson vacs anymore. I remember the UK SEBO website before the current one we have now. I use to watch the video on the X Series and the K Series quite a lot!
Yes I see where your coming from suppose they do come across conservative, that's how I perceive SEBO like Dyson an Engineering and Design base company but not on the scale as the others! I would love to see an update X Series with variable power and brush bar on/off longer hose. I like SEBO hoses as they are flexible but not over stretchy. Although my Classic Felix hose is not as not as stretchy as other Felix's I've seen in the shops or the extension hose I have! I don't think I would want them To change the top hose design on the X Series I know lots don't like it when I read reviews on line but the X and Felix have one of the most straight and simple dirt flow paths to the bag compare with others! Be interesting what SEBO will do if these news EU laws come in with regards to restricting motor wattage! I do think SEBO are cheap to maintain part wise and easy to maintain easy user maintenance too! | ||
| Post# 245044 , Reply# 91 8/10/2013 at 17:48 (3,910 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Ty. Well Its always good to share opinions and info. I don't think Sebo would find it difficult if that law comes in - when you consider the X1 Automatic was low enough with 850 watts, there's nothing stopping SEBO from doing the same again, though I think they should adopt digital motors or consider something in between if it is possible. In their eyes they already have two low-power X series with different motor powers that satisfy most eco-led buyers with the X1.1 (1150watts) and of course the X4. The X5 is an interesting one - bigger foot/L shape like the Felix but too big for me but still has 1300 watts of power, as with the Felix upright.
SEBO did have a K1 Eco on the UK market under the "Cappuccino" name but it didn't sell in big numbers with 1500 watts maximum. Apparently some owners didn't find it powerful enough. I also have an old C2 cylinder vacuum with the 1500 watt motor and uses the same dust bag as the X series, thus yet again cutting costs when it comes to bags. I find the power is enough from the C2, so can't really understand why the K1 Eco isn't that popular. I've yet to try the Eco version but the K series is a really good compact cylinder vacuum - the only downside for me is the rather daft pull-pull cord rewind as it lacks a pedal and the slightest pull on the cord weakens the plug and the cord reeler over a period of time. SEBO's new bigger cylinder vac, the D series is a good one but only suitable for homes that require the 12 metre cord length. SEBO are intentionally just sticking to their guns where their smaller variety of cylinder vacs are concerned - for the moment. In Germany and other countries, there appear to be a few more models that we don't get here. | ||
| Post# 245049 , Reply# 93 8/10/2013 at 18:08 (3,910 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Where did you hear that info from regarding the 1600 watts?
The lower wattage doesn't necessarily cover "filter design" though - brands will continue to churn out the paper cones as long as it is profitable - and on the basis that Vax are the number one brand who continually churn out those filters, the business makes sense to keep making money from that score. Eventually consumers or owners may well begin to see the downsides of these filters, but for these hard times where buyers continually want a new product rather than second hand, the advent of having a single cyclonic paper pleated cone filter is a small disadvantage if the uprights or cylinders continually get lighter to hold or push as well as more tools. | ||
| Post# 245053 , Reply# 94 8/10/2013 at 18:37 (3,910 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Certainly is good to share views opinions and info its great to speak to other SEBO owners/fans too!
True SEBO shouldn't have any issues with using lower watt motors as you say as there uprights don't use overly big motors anyway! Imagine a X series with a digital motor! I didn't realise SEBO had an Eco K Series out in the UK once. I do like both the K and D cylinders/canisters even though I'm more of an upright person! I just like the simplicity and ease of use but effective cleaning of the SEBO vacuums! I read on the web that uprights without tools to have 500 or 600 watts and uprights with tools onboard and cylinders/canisters will have 700 watts think by 2017 if I remember right! I know some people don't think this is a good move especially for people that have dust allergies. I think it makes the manufacturers think more about design and technology to push the bounderies to get great performance from using lower consumption! | ||
| Post# 245055 , Reply# 95 8/10/2013 at 18:56 (3,910 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well it worked for Hoover and Electrolux through the 1970s even if they kept selling on "more power". These days the dust bags no longer leak as much dust as the thin ply paper types and things have moved on where sealed suction is concerned. If brands continue to actually make better advancements with sealed suction, better seals all round and a far effective system from the body through to the floor head.
I don't see why cylinder vacuums shouldn't be rated at the same level. Some would argue that cylinders require far more power since they are suction only but I don't think that should be the case. That's one difference with Miele and SEBO cylinders - the Miele hose handle has an air valve located on it whereas the SEBO does not - they reckon that their electronic variable suction control is so low anyway, there's no need to have an air outlet valve that effectively loses suction and the very presence of it can wear over time. For me it is all about the lightweightness of some of SEBO's models and their general design - the K1 Komfort, Pet and "non power nozzle" fitted models as well as the bigger D series all have longer hoses where I find I'm effectively just using the lighter hose to travel along with plus the lighter handle PLUS SEBO's much lighter 500g tubes that weigh far less than Miele. And to those who don't like the plastic tube meets metal idea, there's always SEBO's D series tubes that you can buy to replace the set up on the K series, still lighter than Miele's tubes. Or even the older C series tubes that can also be used. That's the thing about SEBO - almost all of their tools and tubes are compatible with the rest of the equivalent range. But then I also love Miele's design - they offer far more simply because they are a bigger corp. | ||
| Post# 245135 , Reply# 96 8/11/2013 at 08:05 (3,910 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 245191 , Reply# 97 8/11/2013 at 14:00 (3,909 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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New SEBO X Tool Kit going on EBAY UK. Might order one myself! £60
CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK on eBay 
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| Post# 245384 , Reply# 98 8/12/2013 at 13:28 (3,908 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Hi Ryan
I first discovered SEBO about 8 years ago after my Aunty told me about her SEBO X4 and how she wanted a commercial graded vacuum that could stand up to pet hair and touch use. Having had so many bagless vacuums (dyson) where hoses split wheels falling off and not coping well with pet hair and only lasting a few years! She is very pleased with it. So I started to look into and research SEBO myself which is where I found my interest in them, and became a big fan! I gathered my own opinions of them from my research. I have had my SEBO Felix for 6 years now. It told me a while to take the plunge to buy one having been a Dyson fan since the beginning. Also couldn't decide at first if to go for the Felix or X4, a local shop gave me a full demo on both! Even showing me the packed full bag that they had from an X4 to show how well it fills up! I've never looked back! I still tell myself I can't believe I've gone back to using bags! | ||
| Post# 245389 , Reply# 99 8/12/2013 at 13:58 (3,908 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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That's a nice set of tools Ryan for the X series. Not a bad price for what is included in the box. Did you buy one then!?
I've noticed that they have been changing the accessory packaging to navy blue and white. Mind you I like both to be honest. Nice change though. They have updated the online brochures for the X and D series with a new slogan on the front page replacing the other one to 'Performance you can rely on'. The X brochure has a blown up picture of the X4 Pet on the front cover. Looks good. | ||
| Post# 245442 , Reply# 100 8/12/2013 at 21:39 (3,908 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Nice to hear someone else's thoughts on SEBO and the choice to go with them. Similar with me - parents had a Hoover Junior for many years, then bought the Vax Powa washer tub but then felt a couple of years later that it was getting too heavy for them - hence my collecting starting point with the Junior U1104 and Vax Powa! Then they got an Oreck XL which was ok but my mum couldn't stand the noise and my dad was fed up changing belts on it. My uncle then landed a job in Canada as well as meeting his future wife and they emigrated, leaving behind their SEBO X1 Automatic. That's how it came to us and for 13/14 years it still remains in the family - it has only ever required one drive belt replacement. We eventually bought an X4 and the old X1.
I bought the tool kit way back in 2000 at some point - it used to be on sale at John Lewis for about £40 which was far cheaper than the silly prices online. JL no longer stock the tool kit which is a major pain although I think they can get it in by special order. To be honest, my parents never used the tool kit much except for the dust brush and the extension hose and eventually when I got the complete set, the straight tube was immediately used with the Felix.
Last year when I saw the differences of colour I tried to order a dark dusting brush from John Lewis but was told that this is an "old part" that is no longer on sale and they were only using the photo for sale purposes. Upon contacting SEBO, they have never heard of the dark grey brush, so it was a bit disappointing there. I guess if you have a Felix, that should be sufficient for colour coding the machine up - I'm not that fussy when it comes to coordinating colours etc with the SEBO X uprights. I hope SEBO are still selling the X1.1 as that's a good starter model - and its really no different to the X4 save for a slightly higher motor. Both X1.1, X4 and X5 can use the stair turbo brush whereas some of the X1 Autos can't use them, as they sense a block in the hose and turn off. 'Away to look at the brochure - thanks for that info!
Check by Euronics - they have an exclusive SEBO X4 Pro (for several months now) similar colour to the silver and black Pet though I think it may be dark grey and silver. They also have a K1 Pro which is based on the K1 Pets but in grey. Not to be outdone, John Lewis also have their exclusive model, the X4 Excel.
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| Post# 245443 , Reply# 101 8/12/2013 at 21:50 (3,908 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 245487 , Reply# 102 8/13/2013 at 08:15 (3,908 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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If eBay is free listing this weekend I'm going to put it on, madaboutsebo maybe you might want to buy it? | ||
| Post# 245512 , Reply# 103 8/13/2013 at 13:06 (3,907 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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So youre not keeping the X4? Lordy. Why ever not? Let your parents use it, they'll appreciate its worth!
TBH there are already quite a few SEBO X4s on EBAY at the moment, it wouldn't be worth listing it - I mean, if you want a good time to grab as many interested buyers, list it when there aren't that many SEBO uprights on at a second hand price/use. | ||
| Post# 245526 , Reply# 104 8/13/2013 at 13:59 (3,907 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Mum/Dad only like cylinders though. | ||
| Post# 245540 , Reply# 105 8/13/2013 at 15:09 (3,907 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Thanks Ryan, nice to share thoughts and opinions on SEBO and to hear from others who use/like SEBO. So thats how you started collecting and also came to know of SEBO then, great to hear thanks. Similar to my parent they had a Hoover Junior upgraded it to a Hoover Turbopower (Green colour), then later brought a VAX 121 mainly for carpet washing. Mainly me persuading them to get both!! Then I got them onto Dyson DC01, DC03, DC04 and they currently use a DC18 Slim. They still have the Vax but is never used, it got side kicked for a Bissell Carpet Washer we still use!
Trying to get them to replace the DC18 with a SEBO as the DC18 trips the electric when switching the brush bar off or switching it on first then releasing the handle! Dyson Engineer has been out several times to no avail, no issue found! Can't believe John Lewis don't stock the tool kit anymore! They JL are quite good like that! Don't blame you extra reach for the Felix. True tools/accessories are just that regardless of colour longs they work! Yes from what I can see on the SEBO website and brochure the entry SEBO x1.1 is still there! Yes it is as I've always wondered if there is much performance difference between the X1.1 and X4 but as you say not really. Do like the independent X1.1 in Red! I take it the X1 had a lower watt motor for that to happen? That tool kit was cheaper then on SEBO website compared to ebay! Your welcome did you take a look at the brochure? I've sen the John Lewis X4 Excel, I saw at the time selling off the X4 Blue and Yellow model as I nearly got one as they reduced the price as they had started to sell the X4 Excel. We have an independent Electrical shop and I think on they website is a SEBO X4 Pro looks like you say dark grey and silver! Bet the K1 looks smart in grey! | ||
| Post# 245541 , Reply# 106 8/13/2013 at 15:11 (3,907 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 245544 , Reply# 107 8/13/2013 at 15:42 (3,907 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Oh yes - trying to reduce my Collection so I can purchase a Hotpoint Vac & possibly a Hoover Telios Plus! | ||
| Post# 245558 , Reply# 108 8/13/2013 at 17:15 (3,907 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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TBH I've never been keen on the K1 series as being good looking. It isn't stylish but then it is a great compact cylinder vac for a small flat. I wasn't that taken with the SEBO K1 until I got to use it - it is evident that it was designed for performance and functionality rather than style.
I had a look at the brochure. Its good to see the X1.1 is still there although SEBO should really include the red one regardless of whether it is on sale elsewhere. I have an X1.1 in blue and black - where the yellow accents are, were replaced by black. It may have been a Euronics special - not even SEBO recognise it. I bought it a few years ago from someone who "thought" it was an X1.1 by the badge on the floor head - but the motor underneath is an X4!! Thus I either consider getting the yellow bin door and yellow & blue motor cover and change it back - but I rather like its anonymity. Couldn't really ask for a more unique vacuum lol The X1.1 effectively replaced the X1 Automatic, with it having uprated power through the years from baseline 850 watts to 1000 watts. The 1150 watt motor on the X1.1 and X4 with 1300 watts as you know are the only differences. I don't think many owners notice much of a difference to be honest - both are still quite capable and better than anything on the UK market IMHO that takes a bag of the upright design. | ||
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