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Post# 242460   7/27/2013 at 18:21 (3,915 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Today was a particularly good day at the sales -- I couldn't even believe what I was standing in front of when I saw this Hoover Holiday model 415.  I'm still in a daze from finding it...

 

This is the only Hoover tank that I have been missing from my collection -- and I honestly never thought I would find one.  They're extremely rare; I only know of 3 others that are in people's collections.  What makes this particularly rare is that it was made in England and imported to the US.  I don't much other history on this, if these were sold through a particular channel -- department stores, door to door, or through Hoover stores.  There were only 185,000 or so made between 1953 and 1954.  The box has a manufacture date of 8/53.

 

It's definitely not a 10; but it came with its original hose, most of the tools, and an extremely tattered box.  The cord is original and it sounds just lovely when it runs.  The machine itself isn't in bad shape, not major dents or scratches -- so it will clean up rather nicely. The hose is original, but doesn't hold any air -- so I'll be on the lookout for a suitable replacement.

 

I'm off to tear it apart and give it a spa day -- but I wanted to post some before shots!  More to come...


Post# 242461 , Reply# 1   7/27/2013 at 18:21 (3,915 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

The tank..


Post# 242462 , Reply# 2   7/27/2013 at 18:22 (3,915 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Data plate...


Post# 242474 , Reply# 3   7/27/2013 at 19:55 (3,915 days old) by kenkart ()        
You are the!

Luckiest thing!!!I have never even seen but one or two of these!!!Beautiful!!

Post# 242481 , Reply# 4   7/27/2013 at 20:21 (3,915 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Very happy for you Fred! Enjoy

Post# 242497 , Reply# 5   7/27/2013 at 21:13 (3,915 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The Holiday was a machine NOT sold by the Hoover door to door salesmen. It was sold, along with Hoover Iron and the Hoover factory rebuilt models, through retail stores. R.J.Vanik has a collection of yearly Hoover Magazines that were sent to share holders. In the 1949 edition, they talked about the iron and the factory rebuilt models being 'tested' at retail locations. The success of these models in retail locations is one of the major reasons Hoover discontinued door to door sales in 1958.
There was a lot of dissent within the ranks when the Holiday was launched through retail stores.


Post# 242507 , Reply# 6   7/27/2013 at 21:59 (3,915 days old) by kenkart ()        
Good information!

Thanks Tom, Fred, how much suction does it have???good or wimpy? it sure is pretty, I may get interested in Hoovers yet, LOL!

Post# 242512 , Reply# 7   7/27/2013 at 23:05 (3,915 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
Awesome find Fred!!!

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Very cool looking Hoover. Hope you enjoy. The pictures look great, so I can only imagine how much better it will be after you work your "Magic" on it!! Enjoy and thanks for sharing!!

Happy Hoovering!


Post# 242827 , Reply# 8   7/29/2013 at 22:20 (3,913 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        

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Fred,

 

Hoover did something that they had never done before when they marketed the Holiday. They hired an outside firm (other than their own PR firm) to do marketing, IIRC. There were some distribution problems. I have the original "launch" article from Electrical Merchandising magazine somewhere, and I will dig it out.

 

The experiment was a flop, which is a crying shame, because the Holiday is the closest thing we have to the British Hoover canisters. Quite intriguing. Like finding Hens' Teeth. - JL


Post# 242831 , Reply# 9   7/29/2013 at 23:08 (3,913 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        
Wow!

Thanks for the great information Tom and John!  Really neat to know that!  I hope you can find that article, John -- sounds absolutely fascinating! 

 

I started taking the Holiday apart and gave everything a bath.  This motor is essentially the same thing as what's in models 42, 50, 53, 55, and Constellations.  While it's sort-of the same, being British made, it's built slightly different.  Differences are subtle, however this motor doesn't quite look like a Constellation when comparing them side by side.  I'll take a picture of this next to a Constellation motor when I get it back together.  I did turn it on before taking it apart and even seeing the motor... It sounded just like a US built motor.  Without seeing the motor removed, I would have wagered that it was the same thing.  And I would have lost.  Cool

 

Back end open...


Post# 242832 , Reply# 10   7/29/2013 at 23:09 (3,913 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Cool fiberglass filter that was at the very end of the cleaner.  Looks to have been pretty effective in catching the carbon dust.  I'll likely replace it with some HEPA bag material.


Post# 242833 , Reply# 11   7/29/2013 at 23:10 (3,913 days old) by kenkart ()        
LOOK!!!

At that terminal block!! You sure wont find that quality today!

Post# 242834 , Reply# 12   7/29/2013 at 23:10 (3,913 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Here's one shot of the motor completely removed.  The field coil and rear motor housing are completely different than American built motor.


Post# 242835 , Reply# 13   7/29/2013 at 23:11 (3,913 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Another shot of the motor turned on its side. On second thought, it looks taller than the American counterpart.  I'll be curious to compare the two.


Post# 242837 , Reply# 14   7/29/2013 at 23:13 (3,913 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

This is how the field coil is held in place.  Again, not at all what I'm used to when taking a Tank/Constellation motor apart.

 

That's all for tonight...


Post# 242838 , Reply# 15   7/29/2013 at 23:17 (3,913 days old) by kenkart ()        
That is

More like an upright motor isnt it???

Post# 242839 , Reply# 16   7/29/2013 at 23:19 (3,913 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Yes Hans -- the shape and the way the field coil sits in there, is similar to how a field coil looks on say a Convertible when the motor is taken apart. 


Post# 242840 , Reply# 17   7/29/2013 at 23:21 (3,913 days old) by kenkart ()        
It is

bound to sound different than most tanks!

Post# 243967 , Reply# 18   8/5/2013 at 21:14 (3,906 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

I got the Holiday all taken apart, gave everything a bath and polished it up a bit.  I'm pleased with the final product!


Post# 243968 , Reply# 19   8/5/2013 at 21:15 (3,906 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Before I put the back cover on, I took some HEPA bag material and cut out a new filter for behind the motor.


Post# 243969 , Reply# 20   8/5/2013 at 21:17 (3,906 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Back end of the machine; sorry for the crappy picture.  Looked better on the screen of my phone.

 

I was really able to get the bare floor tool shined up nicely.  I gave it a good scrub with some Brasso, then polished it up with Armor-All.


Post# 243970 , Reply# 21   8/5/2013 at 21:19 (3,906 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

I'm so giddy about the original cord.. It's nice and pliable -- I used a bunch of Armor-All on this as well. 


Post# 243971 , Reply# 22   8/5/2013 at 21:21 (3,906 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

The original hose is shot.  It's really pretty, so that saddens me... I may try giving it a scrub with some upholstery shampoo to get some of the dirt off.  If I find a nice replacement hose in shades of red and white, I may consider cutting it up and transferring the ends to a different hose.  But for now I'll use one of the brown vinyl Veriflex hoses from one of my other Hoover tank cleaners and keep it for show.


Post# 243972 , Reply# 23   8/5/2013 at 21:22 (3,906 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

This end had tape around it, presumably to keep the handle from swiveling.  It left a bunch of tape guck that may need some elbow grease to get off.


Post# 243973 , Reply# 24   8/5/2013 at 21:24 (3,906 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

It came with two identical dusting brushes, which I find odd... the rubber is still pretty pliable on both, but one was in considerably better shape than the other.  So it has had a few treatments of Armor-All and is looking much better.  I still need to take soap and water to it, but I am hopeful. 

 

I think the Crevice tool is what was used most.. it's obviously the most tattered...


Post# 243974 , Reply# 25   8/5/2013 at 21:25 (3,906 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Here's the brush insert.  I'm hoping that a modern replacement from a fit-all brush will work.  This original horsehair one sheds bristles as soon as you touch it. 


Post# 243977 , Reply# 26   8/5/2013 at 21:28 (3,906 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Better picture of the dusting brushes.  Again, it's odd that there are two and that they are identical.  That's just going to be one of those questions that won't ever get answered.

 

There was not upholstery tool with it, and am pretty sure that it came with a real plain red no-frills upholstery tool.


Post# 243979 , Reply# 27   8/5/2013 at 22:07 (3,906 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Aaaand of course, I forgot to take a picture of the Holiday motor next to a Constellation motor. Oh well.

 

The motors in all of the tank cleaners are measured in watts.  I did a comparison of motor wattage among all 7 models of Hoover tank cleaners.. I then converted the watts to amps for a bit more relevancy.  It's interesting.  Certainly very powerful by today's standards!

 

Model 50:  415 Watts = 3.5 amps

 

Model 41:  445 Watts = 3.7 amps

Model 51:  445 Watts = 3.7 amps

 

Model 42:  620 Watts = 5.166 amps

Model 53:  620 Watts = 5.166 amps

Model 55:  620 Watts = 5.166 amps

 

Model 415:  500 Watts = 4.16 amps

 

Also for comparison - all Constellations were 750 Watts which is  equal to 6.25 amps


Post# 243981 , Reply# 28   8/5/2013 at 22:49 (3,906 days old) by Electrolux137 (Los Angeles)        

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Robert, it would be too bad if you had to cut the ends off that hose to make a good one. You should at least try the liquid latex treatment and see if that works. Check the archives here for the details. The sticky goop on the end may come off with Goo-Gone.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO Electrolux137's LINK


Post# 244024 , Reply# 29   8/6/2013 at 05:54 (3,906 days old) by kenkart ()        
I just noticed...

The dusting brush is exactly like an Apex and the floor tool is basically the same as some Royals, and identical to the floor brush on my Cadillac canister.

Post# 244156 , Reply# 30   8/6/2013 at 19:52 (3,905 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        

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As usual, you did a beautiful clean-up job. I just noticed that the bare floor brush looks very much like the early ones on Eurekas.

 

I did one search for the Electrical Merchandising story about the marketing company that handled the Holiday roll-out. No luck, so now I have to dig into "The Place From Hell", a large, mixed-up mess of documents that I have yet to sort out. I will get to that over next weekend.


Post# 244241 , Reply# 31   8/7/2013 at 12:06 (3,904 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
The question is: WHY did HOOVER do that? They had a HUGE m

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They flopped with the marketing of the return of Constellation as well.
I was told they were going to 'color them', etc.... but, I KNEW they wouldn't. They SHOULD have!. That Holiday was also the only time they 'distorted' the logo, too, I believe.


Post# 244272 , Reply# 32   8/7/2013 at 14:25 (3,904 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
those

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coils look very much like the coils in the junior 1334 dont you think

Post# 244323 , Reply# 33   8/7/2013 at 17:27 (3,904 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

What a beautiful machine, with a familiar motor

Post# 244336 , Reply# 34   8/7/2013 at 18:33 (3,904 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Regarding the attachments -- I have a feeling that the dusting brush and floor tools are original based on the color.. there were also no signs of any other vacuum at the estate sale house -- only a Lux 30 missing all of its tools.  There was a Holiday on eBay in September of 2011, I grabbed some of the pictures from the listing, and one of those pictures was of the owner's manual.  The drawing of the floor tool in the manual looks to be the same or a similar shape as what I have with this cleaner. 


Post# 244337 , Reply# 35   8/7/2013 at 18:34 (3,904 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Here's the rest of the machine from that auction... of course the bare floor tool is missing, and I can't really see the dusting brush up close.  You can see what the upholstery tool looks like -- very plain Jane..


Post# 244338 , Reply# 36   8/7/2013 at 18:36 (3,904 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

One more...  What's also odd about the one from this auction is the rug nozzle has the Hoover emblem on it, mine does not.


Post# 244340 , Reply# 37   8/7/2013 at 18:39 (3,904 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Lastly -- this is another collector's machine; he brought it to the 2008 Convention in North Canton.  **drool**

 

Completely new in the box.  I could have died.  His does not have the Hoover emblem on the rug nozzle, and his bare floor tool is completely different... definitely Hoover made as it matches the other tank cleaner bare floor tools of this era.


Post# 244341 , Reply# 38   8/7/2013 at 18:45 (3,904 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

John (portable) ~ thanks for looking for that Electrical Merchandising article; I appreciate you taking the time to do so.  I am very interested in learning more about this odd little cleaner.  I completely understand the "place from hell" thing -- I have many boxes and Rubbermaid bins full of stuff that I haven't seen in years... but I know it's there, somewhere!  :-)  Hopefully you'll be able to put your hands on it one of these days. 

 

John (gottahaveahoover) ~ I think the only other time(s) they did something funny with the Hoover medallion was on the model 53 and 42 tanks, the round medallion is brown on the 51 and blue on the 42.  That would have just been about the time they were introducing that logo -- early 50s.  I imagine they were still playing with it and hadn't made the decision to keep it "Hoover red" at that point.


Post# 244354 , Reply# 39   8/7/2013 at 19:53 (3,904 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        

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F  & J,

 

I think a few of the Aero-Dynes had different logos (or none) on the rug tool. I have seen a few that did not match the rest. I think my 51 had only HOOVER in raised letters along the bottom of the rug tool.

 

I also have noticed that some of the bare floor tools had Hoover embossed into them, and some did not. 


Post# 244380 , Reply# 40   8/8/2013 at 00:58 (3,904 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Great find, Fred. ENJOY it.

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That's another on my list. Someday.
That brand new one there now sits on a shelf at Tom Anderson's home. It was a birthday gift. A real beauty, too.
It's true, that logo was only allowed to be brown, blue, before the HOOVER red became the norm. That's what we were told in Ohio.



Post# 244390 , Reply# 41   8/8/2013 at 01:40 (3,904 days old) by kenkart ()        
This may!

Get me interested in Hoovers yet! this thing is beautiful!

Post# 245430 , Reply# 42   8/12/2013 at 20:30 (3,899 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        

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Here's the (brief) Electrical Merchandising article (October, 1953). I hope the size is readable (and not too large for the server). There's an interesting article below this one about the new Lewyt model being marketed.


Post# 245488 , Reply# 43   8/13/2013 at 08:34 (3,899 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Hi John- Wow! Thank you so much for unearthing and scanning that article! Very, very cool indeed! I'll now have to be sure to listen to the radio when I use the Holiday.  Cool



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