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basic resto/parts question on Hoover Senior?
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Post# 241356   7/22/2013 at 03:37 (3,929 days old) by bugbear ()        

Obvious to all here I suspect.

1)

I've seen reference to "after market" drive belts being rubbish. What's a good (cheap!) source of Hoover (or other good) drive belts?

2)

I would like to replace the flex. Looks like a simple job. A 400/600 watt motor has a peak current of 2.5 amps. What rate cable should I get? 2 amp and 6 amp see standard sizes, so I'm guessing 6 amp (0.75mm area)

I note the external diameter of the original cable is 6.3mm and this has to go through a fixture on the handle, so the replacement cable must not be bigger than this.

Any advice welcomed.

BugBear


Post# 241364 , Reply# 1   7/22/2013 at 04:12 (3,929 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

0.75mm minimum is the flex to go for as it has to carry current over a long distance. Also, it's thicker consistency makes it more durable and easier to handle. If you want to go for the over-kill, you can use 1.00mm. The price difference used to be so slim that I only ever stocked 1.00 as so many cleaners needed 1.00mm anyway, due to their high-wattage motors.

Post# 241370 , Reply# 2   7/22/2013 at 04:53 (3,929 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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A good (cheap) sourse of drive belts is Genuine Hoover!! You can get them for about a fiver for a pack of two. Each belt lasts at least 6 months in my experience so it is only £5 a year in belts.

Post# 241371 , Reply# 3   7/22/2013 at 04:55 (3,929 days old) by bugbear ()        

>> A good (cheap) sourse of drive belts is Genuine Hoover!! You can get them for about a fiver for a pack of two. Each belt lasts at least 6 months in my experience so it is only £5 a year in belts.

My hoover was fully refurbed (nearly all replaceable parts replaced) by a local repair shop when I bought it, around 12 years ago.

The current belt is from that refurb!!!

BugBear


Post# 241375 , Reply# 4   7/22/2013 at 05:08 (3,929 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Really!? Has it been in daily use? If so that is incredible - though I'm not entirely surprised as there are exceptions to every rule, and Hoover did make belts of high enough quality to exceed expectations.

Post# 241377 , Reply# 5   7/22/2013 at 05:41 (3,929 days old) by bugbear ()        

>>Really!? Has it been in daily use?

You over-estimate the cleanliness of my house...

Carpet vacuuming is fortnightly at best.

BugBear


Post# 241378 , Reply# 6   7/22/2013 at 05:48 (3,929 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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All the same, that is still extraordinary, but then again - it is a Hoover...

Post# 241401 , Reply# 7   7/22/2013 at 06:47 (3,929 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The Belts are the major pain with my Seniors, I just cant get anything other than the original belts to last.
The Qualtex ones as below break within a couple of minutes of use. The photo shows the before and after:


Post# 241403 , Reply# 8   7/22/2013 at 06:51 (3,929 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Indeed, with the round belts the only brand you can really use is Genuine Hoover.

Due to the effort required to turn the brush roll, only the strongest (I.E. Hoover) belts will last any amount of time.

With flat belts it is a different story - since they don't have to work as hard - but round belts wear out quickly at the best of times, let alone with a generic belt made with poorer quality rubber.


Post# 241405 , Reply# 9   7/22/2013 at 06:56 (3,929 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Yes Jamie - but I would have expected a Qualtex or Electruepart belt to last more than a few minutes in my Juniors or Seniors. The spindles are fine and the brushrolls turn with no resistance so I just cant understand why these belts fail so quickly. I have a limited number of old stock Hoover 652 belts and these last OK, but when they are gone they are gone and the new stocks are very poorly made - I think its because they want people to get rid of old cleaners and buy new ones.

Post# 241407 , Reply# 10   7/22/2013 at 07:02 (3,929 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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You could be right - but then again why would parts-only manufacturers like ElecTruePart and Qualtex want us to scrap our old vacuums?

They really should make better quality belts, but I that's life I guess.

I'm sure Hoover still makes V5 belts though.


Post# 241408 , Reply# 11   7/22/2013 at 07:02 (3,929 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Yes they do! Here is a link:

CLICK HERE TO GO TO jmurray01's LINK on eBay


Post# 241416 , Reply# 12   7/22/2013 at 07:28 (3,929 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

These might say Hoover on them, but they are made in the Far East for Hoover-Candy, and don't bear much resemblance to the quality of those made by the proper Hoover company in the 70's and 80's before Candy became involved and the company was changed beyond all recognition. Hoover now is nothing like the Hoover of old sadly - its all cheapo PRC made stuff now, and certainly not built like it was in the good old days.

Post# 241420 , Reply# 13   7/22/2013 at 07:47 (3,929 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Indeed you are right, but it is still better than the generic brands.

Post# 241444 , Reply# 14   7/22/2013 at 10:21 (3,929 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I always try to 'hoover' up genuine belts for my machines when I see them on eBay. Got 8 packs of turbo power belts that way!

Post# 241620 , Reply# 15   7/23/2013 at 01:58 (3,928 days old) by bugbear ()        

I am about to replace the cable; during the work I discovered that the flex ends
are fitted in copper "surrounds" that I've never seen before.

I was expecting soldered ends, or crimped on terminals.

Are these "ends" compulsory, and if so, can I get them from anywhere in small quantities?

BugBear


Post# 241637 , Reply# 16   7/23/2013 at 04:10 (3,928 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I normally strip the cable back until it's long enough to loop around the screw in question, and keep the wire tucked in when doing the screw up.

If there was a crimping tool to replace the ringlets then I would be interested in it!


Post# 241639 , Reply# 17   7/23/2013 at 04:34 (3,928 days old) by bugbear ()        

This company appears to have a HUGE range of terminals:

www.molex.com/molex/products/grou...

But they don't have "ours"

BugBear


Post# 241646 , Reply# 18   7/23/2013 at 06:05 (3,928 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
you

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dont need them just twist the wires round the screws

Post# 241679 , Reply# 19   7/23/2013 at 10:06 (3,928 days old) by bugbear ()        

I asked this on another forum, and a guy said he'd found the same terminal
crimps on an old Kenwood Chef (only a week ago, by coincidence)

Looks like it's more of a period thing than a Hoover thing.

BugBear


Post# 241728 , Reply# 20   7/23/2013 at 14:45 (3,928 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

These ends were probably machine-installed on the flex to assist in manufacturing assembly of the machines.

Probably in the same way that the other end of the flex (the 'plug' end) had those little straight brass crimped sleeves. Apparently these were for factory testing purposes only; the user was supposed to cut 'em off before wiring on a plug. This was in the days of plugless appliances. Some audio appliances had soldered ends on the flex.


Post# 328633 , Reply# 21   7/5/2015 at 12:02 (3,216 days old) by nazard (Paris, France)        

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Sometime I had to put generic belt. it works last long time (6 months)
Once, I tryied to put a larger Hoover 612 belt on Hoover 652, it still works well.

In Europe, this is not too difficult to get Hoover belts, some stores have stock but the price is expensive... about 10€ for a pack of two.


Post# 328652 , Reply# 22   7/6/2015 at 02:32 (3,215 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I try to only use Genuine Hoover belts, but am running low now, down to the last few packs of unopened belts for various machines that I want to keep in the packet.

I know Quatex had a bad batch of belts a few years ago. I ordered a few, and 4 out of the 10 sets snapped fairly quickly. Apparently this was resolved, and the last few batches (in the new style packaging) have been fine.

I hope so, I bought 20 sets of Turbopower 1 belts to keep me stocked up for a while! And a few junior/senior belts. Need more 375 size, had to use my last one on a vax 121 bag holder!


Post# 328670 , Reply# 23   7/6/2015 at 13:16 (3,215 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I was at an outlet store last year.

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They had 2 packs of genuine Hoover belts. I bought them all. They were less than a dollar each. That was jus ta rare thing, but, i was lucky.
John


Post# 328692 , Reply# 24   7/6/2015 at 16:38 (3,215 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I always pick up packs of genuine belts for anything I own from ebay if I happen upon them at a cheap price.

Got a genuine pack of bags for my Sensotronic from the car boot the other weekend for £2, handy as I didnt have any, and the bag inside is manky. I did ask if they had any other bits for it and theyvsay theybdidnt even know where the bags came from" which was a shame!


Post# 328761 , Reply# 25   7/7/2015 at 14:43 (3,214 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Every Thursday, I go through my regular

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'haunts' in the Philadelphia burbs. Any time I see genuine Hoover belts or bags, or even tools, I usually grab them. I figure, if I don't have that machine, I know someone who does.
I've gotten genuine Hoover Dial-A-Matic belts, (2 still in the original package), for $1.00...bags (in sealed package..$1.00 or $.95. How could you pass them up? well, I guess some could.
You never know what you're going to find.
John



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