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Thread Number: 21557
Agressive Agitation may be hurting your carpet. |
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| Post# 241234 , Reply# 1 7/21/2013 at 14:54 (3,924 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 241239 , Reply# 3 7/21/2013 at 15:09 (3,924 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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When I owned My carpet cleaning company we used to loads of damaged wool carpets. The fibers fluffed badly. It became a standard Joke between my staff and me when I woud just look at the carpet and say to the lady of the house, You have a Kirby and she was always surprised I knew. They would be like are my carpets in good condition and I would always so No your carpets have been ripped to shreds because you set it to low.
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| Post# 241331 , Reply# 5 7/22/2013 at 01:29 (3,923 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
Bobby is right ... | ||
| Post# 241343 , Reply# 6 7/22/2013 at 02:44 (3,923 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 241346 , Reply# 7 7/22/2013 at 03:00 (3,923 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
"I think the dirt and sand left behind by the lack of agitation would be more destructive than agitation itself... I've done experiments where I've only used straight suction machines for a period of time and I'm always shocked at what comes up when I finally use something with a brushroll... and I have thin flat carpet, so I can't even imagine how much more magnified that would be with something more plush." My sentiments exactly! The damage caused by grit far outweighs any damage caused by agitation.
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| Post# 241360 , Reply# 9 7/22/2013 at 03:59 (3,923 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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"carpets cost a good deal less than they ever did, so there is little requirement to make them last as long as my parents -indeed people my own age- did."
That depends on your carpets or rugs. You can go cheap and get the synthetic fiber carpets that will for years offgas toxic and carcinogenic fumes. Or if you prefer a rug that not only doesn't poison your environment but actually cleans the air, go with all-natural wool. But they are still are as expensive as they ever were ($5,000 or so for a high-quality room-sized rug), so YES, there is very much of a requirement to make those rugs last as long as possible. **** "Lower water consumption and less aggressive washing action were two useful additional benefits of a front-loader." Not all of us agree that lower water consumption is a benefit. Common sense (and my own experience) shows that the less water you use, the dirtier your clothes will come out. | ||
| Post# 241362 , Reply# 10 7/22/2013 at 04:06 (3,923 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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I shall bow to your common sense and experience then. At 75 years of age, I suppose I have little of either. | ||
| Post# 241369 , Reply# 11 7/22/2013 at 04:47 (3,923 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England) | ||
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Hi I agree, A brush roll generally does clean a carpet better than "suction only" cleaners on most styles of carpet. However some machines do a better job than others. I've found a certain bagless machines to be quite aggressive on some carpets. At least Kirby doesn't damage your carpets which was shown in the demo but also backed up by the independent CRI (Carpet and rug institute) with it awarding Kirby a Gold level:o) www.carpet-rug.org/index.cfm...
James:o) | ||
| Post# 241381 , Reply# 12 7/22/2013 at 06:00 (3,923 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Finally, more people realise, Dyson is the best for carpet. well it has the tremendous suction, and decent necessary brush bars :) | ||
| Post# 241383 , Reply# 13 7/22/2013 at 06:03 (3,923 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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"Dyson is the best for carpet" I'm sorry, but it is not.
To find out why - watch this video by our very own Chris: CLICK HERE TO GO TO jmurray01's LINK | ||
| Post# 241388 , Reply# 14 7/22/2013 at 06:13 (3,923 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Chris is a good guy, I know BUT although DC14 has good suction, the vac that goes last always wins | ||
| Post# 241390 , Reply# 15 7/22/2013 at 06:15 (3,923 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 241395 , Reply# 17 7/22/2013 at 06:35 (3,923 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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You don't understand. If a vacuum cleaner picks up all the dirt it can then you go over the same piece of carpet with another vacuum - the other one must be more effective than the first - as it manages to pick up dirt the previous one left behind, otherwise there would be no dirt left for it to pick up!!
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| Post# 241397 , Reply# 18 7/22/2013 at 06:38 (3,923 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Well, if you vacuum with one vac, then go over with the other, then go over with the same vac again, there will still be excess dust left behind! | ||
| Post# 241399 , Reply# 19 7/22/2013 at 06:42 (3,923 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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Yes there will be, but after vacuuming the carpet with the first vacuum you have picked up all you can with the said cleaner.
It is like comparing two lawn mowers - one is set to a higher cut setting and the other a lower setting. No matter how many times you go over the grass with one mower, the one set to the lower height setting will always cut it shorter!! | ||
| Post# 241411 , Reply# 20 7/22/2013 at 07:12 (3,923 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 241423 , Reply# 21 7/22/2013 at 08:09 (3,923 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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lol but I give up :( Dyson is best for my carpets, you know how thin my carpet are? VERY! they are approx 8mm thin | ||
| Post# 241433 , Reply# 23 7/22/2013 at 09:25 (3,923 days old) by ncovert (Grove City, PA) | ||
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I agree with madabouthoovers... ...I like each and every brand because of their strong points and advantages.
I like Kirby because they are great cleaners and convert to many different units. I like Sebo because they are quiet and dependable. And so on... | ||
| Post# 241436 , Reply# 24 7/22/2013 at 09:27 (3,923 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Steve, Thanks for telling me that, your so right, I guess I should take your advice :) | ||
| Post# 241440 , Reply# 25 7/22/2013 at 09:56 (3,923 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
Carpets in the US and carpets in the rest of the world are very different. When Tacony private labeled our Riccar upright for Hoover to sell with a 240 volt motor in Australia, we used the soft, white bristles on the agitator. Wool is predominate fabric of choice for non US homes. In the US, not only are our carpets much thicker and far thicker pads underneath - there are acres of them. If you have 3000 square feet of plush carpet to vacuum, you need very aggressive agitation due to the speed at which you are going to clean.
In the Vacuum Cleaner Museum's 1910 - 1930 rooms, we have wool, oriental type carpets to match the decor of the era. I don't normally use a modern vacuum on those rugs. To be honest, a Hoover 541 does the best job, in the least time, due to its soft brushes. About once a month, I do go over those rugs with a Simplicity Freedom outfitted with the Horsehair brush roller. Even with thousands of visitors each year, coming off a gravel parking lot, the rugs look brand new. The Engineering Department did a treadmill test with a Simplicity Freedom outfitted with a soft, horsehair bristle brush - on a thin, wool carpet. After 100 hours of vacuuming, there was very little nap removed, about the equal of a tablespoon. That's why Tacony makes different brush strips for their vacuums - so they can be customized to each home. For Berber, Wool, or other carpets that need gentle agitation, the horsehair brushes are ideal. The nylon brushes come in three different 'stiffness' designs. The most aggressive are used on models going into homes where there are shedding pets. | ||
| Post# 241442 , Reply# 26 7/22/2013 at 10:09 (3,923 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Yes Tayyab, Dyson's are good vacuum's, but so are Kirby's, Sebo's, Hoover's, Numatic's, Panasonic's, Miele's, Electrolux's, etc.
Like Steve and Tom have said, being a collector, it's much more enjoyable liking more than one brand :) Good luck on your collection, I'm sure it'll grow! Although your collection is great now anyway :) Joe | ||
| Post# 241443 , Reply# 27 7/22/2013 at 10:10 (3,923 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Post# 241452 , Reply# 28 7/22/2013 at 10:48 (3,923 days old) by GOTTAHAVEAHOOVE  (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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I'm NOT bashing ANYONE...Do I bash?
But, you look at a HOOVER convertible.That beater bar NEVER damages any carpet. Remember that 'triple action"/ " It Beats as it Sweeps as it Cleans" . It is 'positive agitation'.I've had new Wintunnels accumulate massive amounts of 'stuff' in the cup. Later, we discovered it was carpet nap!! Those VERY strong bristles were chewing a wool rug.....there was no dirt anywhere. I believe it is true, that the grit is was cuts a carpet.Open a used bag, (or a cup) and go through it.
I'll only say this: "All the dirt, all the grit, HOOVER gets it every bit, for it beats as it sweeps as it cleans". Couldn't y'all kill me right about now? Well, one could, I'm sure. | ||
| Post# 241458 , Reply# 29 7/22/2013 at 10:57 (3,923 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 241480 , Reply# 30 7/22/2013 at 12:15 (3,923 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
Dyson is the best for carpet
RUBBISH!!!
You see more Dyson bins full of carpet fibres than you do any other vacuum. That horrible helix brushroll shreds carpet fibres. The whole point of the brushroll is not just to sweep away the surface litter, but also to agitate the carpet fibres and loosen the deeper down dirt so that it can be swept up and sucked away. As you can see from the video here, the Dyson brushroll BARE agitates the carpet, leaving behind grit and dirt deep down in the carpet. I'm no Oreck fan, but they seemed to have it pretty spot on with the brushroll. The bristles were not stiff enough to do any damage, but they were dense enough to agitate the carpet fibres and clean deep down. If only they had better suction power. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Turbo500's LINK | ||
| Post# 241481 , Reply# 31 7/22/2013 at 12:16 (3,923 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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This is what is meant to happen.
Note, this cleaner does not have beater bars. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Turbo500's LINK | ||
| Post# 241537 , Reply# 32 7/22/2013 at 15:47 (3,923 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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Post# 241539 , Reply# 34 7/22/2013 at 15:55 (3,923 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Jamie, | ||
| Post# 241592 , Reply# 35 7/22/2013 at 22:09 (3,922 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
Knowing that Eureka was not allowed to offer beater bars up until a Hoover patent expired, I often wondered whether beater bars actually helped an upright remove more dirt from a rug. Eureka's all bristle Disturbulators seemed to do as effective a job in the 1960's as Hoover's "Triple Action" uprights. I wonder if any scientific tests have ever been done to prove the need for solid beater bars on a brush roll.
Just from my knowledge of basic physics, it seems to me that a row of bristles hitting a carpet would have the same "dirt dislodging" effect as a solid metal bar or plastic bar. In fact it might do better as the bristles may grab threads and dirt more effectively than a smooth surface. | ||
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Post# 241596 , Reply# 36 7/22/2013 at 22:52 (3,922 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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But, that raises the question.... | ||
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Post# 241600 , Reply# 37 7/22/2013 at 23:07 (3,922 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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That's why you should buy a FilterQueen
The new FilterQueen Majestic uses a horsehair equipped agitator on the power nozzle. The horse hair is delicate for your carpets, and upholstery yet aggressive on dirt. The Majestic does a Fabulous job on mattresses and upholstery, without destroying the delicate fabrics.
A typical cigarette is made up of rice paper. The FilterQueen Majestic power nozzle will not tear the rice paper but will suck the tobacco and nicotine out of the cigarette. | ||
| Post# 241610 , Reply# 38 7/23/2013 at 00:30 (3,922 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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But Rob ... | ||
| Post# 241783 , Reply# 41 7/23/2013 at 19:12 (3,921 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Hey John...in response to your question: I guess Eureka knew it had to compete with Hoover in the market place, and needed to show customers that it too offered beater bars in their uprights. Still can't fathom why solid bars beating a carpet would be any more effective than a row of stiff bristles. The brush roll is spinning so fast anyhow, it probably makes no difference in the grand scheme of things - they both create the agitation necessary to open up the carpet pile and bring up the dirt deep inside. Who really knows? :-)
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| Post# 241807 , Reply# 42 7/23/2013 at 22:17 (3,921 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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Actually.. The old Disturbulator brush is much more agressive than the Hoover set up, the old 250 and 260 Eurekas will really pull up the nap on a matted down carpet. | ||
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Post# 241809 , Reply# 43 7/23/2013 at 22:27 (3,921 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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You are absolutely right about the HOOVER150 | ||
| Post# 241816 , Reply# 44 7/23/2013 at 22:59 (3,921 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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I have.. Terrys, it just amazes me that in 1936 they could make a machine with automatic height adjustment that actually worked, and will work on todays carpet! | ||
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Post# 241826 , Reply# 45 7/24/2013 at 01:01 (3,921 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Matt, I empty FilterQueen tubs a few times a day, 6 days a w
Take out sheet of newspaper, or trashbag and lay on floor or outside.
Remove FilterQueen motor, set aside. Remove wheel base, set aside. Place FilterQueen pollution tub upside down on newspaper. Tap all around. Wait a few seconds and lift up tub in light circular swirling motion to get any dust off from inner gasket. Very little if any dust cloud. Then just fold up newspaper. This is definitely not a fatal flaw. If this is a fatal flaw then where do Sanitaire shake out bags, Hoover and Sanitaire dirt cup commercial vacs, Dyson dirt cups, Rainbow separators, and I can keep going on and on and on, all fit in. A perfect cleaning system for the home doesn't really exist. But the FilterQueen does an excellent job cleaning all surfaces and is a certified Class II Medical Device due its performance and filtration down to .1 Micron. By the way as far as a perfect cleaning system I consider all of the following: Cleaning Performance, sustained airflow, filtration, durability, noise, user-friendliness, convenience, and energy efficiency. A robot Roomba has excellent convenience and user friendliness, but lack of tools, and cleaning performance are questionable. Hoover Dimension 1000 and Convertibles have great durability and cleaning performance but filtration is an issue. Dysons have great sustained airflow but tool usage, energy efficiency and durability are issues. Kirbys have excellent durability but user friendliness and convenience are issues. Riccar canisters have great power and filtration but weight and inability to roll over cord is an issue. Aerus has great canisters but carpet grooming depending on agitator, small bags, high tendency to roll over on side and skid on floors are issues. The list goes on and on. Everyone can think of something I'm sure for just about every machine. The perfect system doesn't really exist and everyone has their own likes and dislikes. Exact reason why ice cream variety packs offer Vanilla, Chocolate and Strawberry. 3 flavors, surely and hopefully there is one to please everyones tastes. | ||
| Post# 241845 , Reply# 47 7/24/2013 at 05:57 (3,921 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Chris, your video on agitation with the SEBO X is impressive too - another machine that doesn't have beater bars.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 241878 , Reply# 48 7/24/2013 at 11:28 (3,921 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Rob ...
... for those of us in apartments, there is no "outside" to take the vacuum to empty.
And I will NOT put inky newspaper on my expensive rugs. And even if I did, what's the point of a machine that touts it can remove up to xxx microns of dust from the air, only to force me to empty it all onto the floor on a newspaper in the middle of my living room??? | ||
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Post# 241884 , Reply# 49 7/24/2013 at 12:28 (3,921 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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ROB..."Zippy".
You sound like a salesman!! Of course, you ARE , but............
The other day, I was in the presence of a friend who was vacuuming with a bagless cleaner. She stopped the machine, unlocked the "sealed cup", and dumped it into the trash. I chuckled as a cloud of dust billowed up into the air. She stared at me and asked, "WHAT?" It's so convenient. I replied, "UHUH". She said, "Just because it's NOT a HOOVER". I kept silent. | ||
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Post# 241945 , Reply# 51 7/24/2013 at 22:53 (3,920 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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so don't use newspaper- use a trashbag.
Don't go to a trash can because then you end up having dirt fall several inches or feet into trash can and that open space at the bottom to just fall that distance causes a storm. Take out a trash bag, open it up and place on floor. Then place FilterQueen tub upside down in bottom of trash bag size of your choice or a store shopping bag or whatever you want to use- cardboard box lid, whatever. Tap on bottom of Filterqueen container, wait a few seconds and gently in swirling motion lift tub out of bag, then just pull up sides of trash bag and you're done.
I just got done doing it tonight--- Bin was completely full, no dust storm what so ever. Dust storms occur from violently disturbing dust by shaking dirt cups and banging dirt cups on sides of trash cans to pull out dirt. By having FilterQueen tub upside down in a trash bag that is placed on a surface then the dirt falls to the surface, on the cone and not several inches or feet. This is a very simple, neat process. Far far far cleaner than any upright dirt cup bin, shake out reusable bag or whatever you want. Many people like this system. If not, I apologize as FilterQueen does not use a bagged system because bags are porous and clog. The FilterQueen relies on cyclonic technology to keep filter cone as clean as possible and maintain air flow, that would normally be lost in typical dirt cup or vacuum bag system. There are plenty of machines on the market. I'm not going to negate facts that the FilterQueen has earned several certifications including being recognized by FDA as a Class II Medical Device for its filtration. If emptying the container once a month, was found to be harmful, then FilterQueen would not have received that certification and proven to aid in relief of Asthma, Allergies, Sleep Apnea and other medical conditions. Emptying the collection tank is only necessary once a month as well as it holds 2.5 gallons of dirt and the antimicrobial coating on the cone is effective for one month in eliminating continued growth of viruses, mold, bacteria and dust mites that the system removes from your home. | ||
| Post# 241954 , Reply# 52 7/24/2013 at 23:28 (3,920 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Sorry Rob ...
... but I really, really doubt the FDA considered the emptying process of the Filter Queen as part of its evaluation as a Class II Medical Device for its filtration.
This is the same agency that over the years has approved countless drugs as "safe" that have ended up killing hundreds of thousands of Americans. Just last year, more than 100,000 Americans have been killed by FDA-approved prescription drugs. Just to name a few: -- Avandia: 83,000 heart attacks, 304 deaths and thousands of reports to the FDA, and 10 separate studies say it increases the risk of heart attack by up to 80 percent… and it’s still being prescribed to thousands of diabetes patients. -- Baycol: This statin drug caused a rare but sometimes fatal muscle ailment. There were 31 reported deaths directly linked to it before Baycol was pulled from the market. -- Vioxx: Prescribed 105 million times … it killed 57,000 people before its maker finally stopped selling it. So you'll understand why a stamp of approval from the FDA means absolutely nothing to me. This is an agency that is staffed primarily by a revolving door of pharmaceutical execs doing favors for each other. Do not fall into the trap of thinking that the FDA is actually looking out for the welfare of American citizens. This post was last edited 07/25/2013 at 00:15 | ||
| Post# 241960 , Reply# 53 7/25/2013 at 00:50 (3,920 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
 Sorry, but the Filter Queen vacuum is neither cleared nor recognized by the FDA as a Class II Medical Device. You're confusing that with the Defender.
Furthermore, no matter how careful you are emptying the bin on the Filter Queen, air currents created by lifting the bin will stir up hundreds of thousands of microscopic particles. The cleanest way to empty a Filter Queen is to simply do it outside, preferably by someone who does not suffer from dust allergies... | ||
| Post# 241990 , Reply# 55 7/25/2013 at 04:04 (3,920 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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"And even if I did, what's the point of a machine that touts it can remove up to xxx microns of dust from the air, only to force me to empty it all onto the floor on a newspaper in the middle of my living room???" Good point!!
All those bagless vacuums boast "HEPA filtration" and "British Alergy Seal of Approval", but where is your HEPA filtration when you empty it and the dust goes flying into your face and up your nostrils? Answer that one James Dyson! | ||
| Post# 242009 , Reply# 58 7/25/2013 at 08:09 (3,920 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Oh just use my words, why don't you Jamie?
To be fair, at the end of the day it comes down to convenience. Whilst bagless vacuums provide the easy solution of not buying dust bags, the actual reality isn't just the fact that on board filters have to be cleaned all the time to maximise suction and if I was going to be really pedantic, I'd like to ask Dyson that if this vacuums are supposed to offer 100% suction all of the time, why put another filter on board to hide behind the fact?? I've had bagless and bagged vacuums and I've said this before and will continually stand behind my experience and opinion - bagless machines, whether they are dust busters, cordless sweepers and so forth are great if you require a machine that needs to be used DAILY. The saving made when having to clean up after loved family pets is ideal for the bagless design as is the point of having a cordless dust buster just to pick up crumbs in a hurry. There's no further cleaning to be done UNTIL the suction starts to loosen. That's when you have to face the fur and not just if it gets stuck up by the top of the filter shroud. With a bagged vacuum, there's a bag to collect it all - end of. Okay one tiny filter may have to be cleaned but not as involving as the pre-motor filters that have to be attended to - and not as continuously to maintain your machine's power of suction. | ||
| Post# 242056 , Reply# 59 7/25/2013 at 15:07 (3,920 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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I'm sorry to belabor the point, BUT ...
... "For bagless and FQ type dump bin vacuums-why is it some folks want to dump them INSIDE their homes?After you and the vacuum have worked so hard to pick up the dirt-would you truely want to get rid of the dirt OUTSIDE?That is why when I have used such vacuums I dumpted them outside the house.Even when I used my Rainbow--dump its water bin full of dirt the water filtered outside the house.That is what any vacuum cleaner was designed to do."
*** For apartment-dwellers, there IS no "going outside" to dump the contents of your vacuum. And I've also had both bagged and bagless vacuums, and my experience with bagless -- despite the alleged HEPA filtration -- is that the vacuum itself gets dusty after every use! Never before have I had to WIPE DOWN my vacuum after each use! | ||
| Post# 242057 , Reply# 60 7/25/2013 at 15:11 (3,920 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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And also ...
"All those bagless vacuums boast "HEPA filtration" and "British Alergy Seal of Approval", but where is your HEPA filtration when you empty it and the dust goes flying into your face and up your nostrils?"
EXACTLY! It would be just like a car seat belt that only disengages when the car is still in motion; yes, you're safely buckled in for 98% of your trip, but don't tray to unbuckle after you've parked and shut off the car -- it will only release during that final mile while you're still driving. | ||
| Post# 242066 , Reply# 61 7/25/2013 at 16:01 (3,920 days old) by mieles7 (TX) | ||
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| Post# 242067 , Reply# 62 7/25/2013 at 16:16 (3,920 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 242180 , Reply# 68 7/26/2013 at 10:38 (3,919 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Scrape and dump ...
"People used to complain about the dust on the older Scrape and dump Kirby bags. If you empty after every use, place a newspaper under the machine and use the sani-pocket, the process can be accomplished with very little dust escaping."
When I was a child, my grandma had one of these older model Kirbys. My mother and other grandma both had identical Hoover Convertible 1060s. I used to think how dreadfully primitive the Kirby was, forcing the user to reach up into all that muck to empty the bag, rather than the more modern and sanitary Hoover design. Frankly, I still do. | ||
| Post# 242752 , Reply# 70 7/29/2013 at 08:09 (3,916 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Hey Harley
After reading your post in another thread I went looking for your post. Yes you are right most houses here in SA do have delicate carpeting( well houses were the owners could afford a Kirby) Wool is huge here in upmarket homes. synthetic is not. Talking to a friend who is in the carpet business he said that years ago, pre 90's They would recommend a Kirby as it worked very well on most carpets But from the time of redesign they found it fluffed the carpets to much if incorrectly set and this happens far to often. I personally found the brushes on the Sentria very stiff but these may differ country to country. | ||
| Post# 243058 , Reply# 71 7/30/2013 at 19:37 (3,914 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Slightly off topic..
This brings me onto thinking about suction only floor heads - because even if they lack brushes, the latest ones from SEBO and Miele pivot only the floor head part onto the carpet when pushed with the rear wheels remaining off the floor. I've never seen abuse done by a suction only floor head on carpets but on hard floors if the owner forgets to the put the pedal down, exposed nails/bolts on a metal sole plate can be murderous.
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| Post# 243199 , Reply# 72 7/31/2013 at 23:49 (3,913 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA) | ||
Suction only floor heads
While reading reviews on Amazon I realized that many people here in America, a country where people tend to be used to uprights, people will buy a suction only canister and they will use it with the brushes down on carpet and up on hard floors. This is because many manufacturers have a small picture of the nozzle with the brushes down on the hard floor setting, and many consumers confuse that with the nozzle being on carpet (there are lines under the picture of the nozzle to show the brushes). I have read a couple reviews where people damaged their floors due to that. I've used it with the brushes up on a tile floor (by accident) and of course it didn't scratch the tile (may have been a different story if I had used it on the hardwood) but it was quite hard to push, due to the suction sealing the nozzle to the floor. Of course I quickly realized that it was on the wrong setting.
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| Post# 243245 , Reply# 75 8/1/2013 at 09:37 (3,913 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA) | ||
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I saw your video where you mentioned that the other day (love your videos, btw). I have one floor nozzle that has a picture of the nozzle on a carpet for the carpet setting and a picture of the nozzle on a flat surface for the hard floor setting. I have two other combination floor tools that have the confusing (to some) picture of the nozzle with the brush down for the hard floor setting.
I don't dislike the combination floor nozzles nearly as much as I dislike those combination crevice tool/dusting brush and combination dusting brush/upholstery tools (although the dusting brush/upholstery tools on Aerus/Proteam/pre-2003 Electrolux and those Eureka Victory combination tools are much better than many). 
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| Post# 243275 , Reply# 76 8/1/2013 at 15:24 (3,913 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Park position design
Only a few brands I own seem to allow an additional floor head stored at the back of the vacuum when changing over floor heads and thus when pulled along, the parked floor head doesn't touch the floor. However, compared to other brands that have a similar park position at the rear, the parked floor tool drags along the floor. Brands should allow a higher position so that no damage occurs if additional floor heads are supplied and where the option to change "on the go" can occur.
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| Post# 243376 , Reply# 77 8/2/2013 at 20:33 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Wrong floor setting & durable tests.
Regarding wrong usage of floor head setting - this K1 German Magazin/You Tube video shows a longish test of a Bosch bagless cylinder vac against AEG/Electrolux and a Miele S5. If you can get past the German, the test reveals a short test of the following models and mostly all of them have been used on the wrong carpet setting. At the end of the video they showed the number 1 vac being the AEG which wouldn't have been my first choice given the "stair" test of chucking each vacuum down a small flight of steps. Apart from dust falling out, the one to remain the most intact was the bagless Bosch...
3.09 AEG 5.57 Bosch bagless 7.41 Miele S5 CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
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