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Post# 239675   7/10/2013 at 15:43 (3,913 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        

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one isJohn Moores from 1972 the other Trafford from 74 this is the vac section from both thought you may like to see them

Post# 239676 , Reply# 1   7/10/2013 at 15:45 (3,913 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
another

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another page i like the Kenwood

Post# 239677 , Reply# 2   7/10/2013 at 15:46 (3,913 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
and of course

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the Hoovers of the day

Post# 239678 , Reply# 3   7/10/2013 at 15:48 (3,913 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
next one

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oh those prices

Post# 239680 , Reply# 4   7/10/2013 at 15:50 (3,913 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
more

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70s vacs

Post# 239681 , Reply# 5   7/10/2013 at 15:52 (3,913 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
a bunny girl

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a sunbeam and a Hoover

Post# 239682 , Reply# 6   7/10/2013 at 15:54 (3,913 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
more Hoovers

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in nice colours

Post# 239683 , Reply# 7   7/10/2013 at 15:55 (3,913 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
more

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theres that Goblin again

Post# 239684 , Reply# 8   7/10/2013 at 15:57 (3,913 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
more Electrolux

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and a goblin

Post# 239685 , Reply# 9   7/10/2013 at 15:58 (3,913 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
there she is again

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matching bunny and connie

Post# 239686 , Reply# 10   7/10/2013 at 16:01 (3,913 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
thats all guys

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unless i come across any more theres some great old wasingmachines and some vintage stereos all clad in teak off course

Post# 239707 , Reply# 11   7/10/2013 at 18:16 (3,913 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        

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Anthony....Thanks for these. They are great fun. That model is rather cheesey, eh?


Post# 239720 , Reply# 12   7/10/2013 at 18:35 (3,913 days old) by kenkart ()        
I Wish!

Some of these would show up over here, I might have to install a 240 volt outlet!

Post# 239725 , Reply# 13   7/10/2013 at 19:23 (3,913 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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In North America, can we create a 240 volt outlet from the circuit on which we plug in our electric dryers? I am not that "electrically" knowledgeable... :-(

Post# 239726 , Reply# 14   7/10/2013 at 19:44 (3,913 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
That "bunny"

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has got to go!!!!!!

Post# 239730 , Reply# 15   7/10/2013 at 20:20 (3,913 days old) by kenkart ()        
240 volt, yes

You can, the easiest way is to have a seperate line ran to a good location and have a European outlet installed, in a 120 volt circuit you have one hot wire and a neutral,then your ground, for 240 you have 2 hot,1 neutral and your ground, in other words, 2 120 volt lines and a neutral makes 240.

Post# 239733 , Reply# 16   7/10/2013 at 20:33 (3,913 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Thanks Hans!!! Good to know we can also play with all those cool Eurovacs over here in the colonies!!! :-)

Post# 239753 , Reply# 17   7/11/2013 at 02:16 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Well, that's a good selection - 1972 was my birth year, and here is one of the models from that catalogue, the Electrolux 500 - this was very ahead of its time at its launch back then.

Post# 239754 , Reply# 18   7/11/2013 at 02:18 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

rear view of the 500, showing the yellow pedal and suction selector:

Post# 239758 , Reply# 19   7/11/2013 at 03:58 (3,913 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Thank you very much for posting those catalogue pictures Anthony!

That 500 has stood up very well to 41 years of use!

You are right that they were very ahead of their time, but lets not forget that had the Hoover Convertible (Dial-A-Matic in America) not been the failure it was in terms of sales, we'd be sitting here saying the same thing about that model and the Electrolux would just be seen as a copy of it. Since the Convertible didn't sell well at all and Electrolux were shrewd enough to see a good opportunity and jump on it (without all the gimmicks of the Convertible), they made it successful and most people assume they created the concept of a clean fan upright vacuum cleaner with the above floor cleaning power of a cylinder.

Behind the Hoover Seniors and Juniors - the Lux 500 (and the other model variants that would follow) has to be the most popular and long running vacuum cleaner in the UK. It sold from 1970 to the mid 1990s (as the Twin Turbo) and is still in use today in Britains homes with enough spares available to keep them going for at least another decade.

In close - A damn good vacuum cleaner!





Post# 239760 , Reply# 20   7/11/2013 at 05:54 (3,912 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
Great...

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Hi, Great pics, Thanks for posting them. Always nice to see old catalogue scans:o)
I don't think I've seen one with a Electrolux 310 automatic in.

James:o)


Post# 239763 , Reply# 21   7/11/2013 at 07:18 (3,912 days old) by watsonw (Newport, Shropshire, UK)        
Memories

..........Memories, I remember all of these cleaners when on the market.

My Granny traded in a luxz65 (early version) in part ex for a 500.....it went on for years!!

We still use twin-turbo's which I bought in 1994 & 5; one upstairs, one down.

So long as you carry out the basic maintenance as per the instructions the cleaner will serve you well.....so many people did not!!

My first new cleaner was the dustette featured above and then in addition I saved up and bought a lux 87 (late version with the 550 watt sealed motor with the large fans) a lovely cleaner; fantastic with the genuine replacement lux carpet/floor nozzle (white colour, grey furniture guard as seen on the 100).

The white all- plastic flip over nozzle supplied did not make the best use of the suction and made the motor race when used for carpets.

thank-you Anthony.

Regards, Walter.


Post# 239775 , Reply# 22   7/11/2013 at 10:09 (3,912 days old) by Collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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@Hans and Brian:

Do NOT install a Euro outlet permanently in your home. Its not CSA or UL approved and, if by some chance it causes a fire, they can refuse to honor your insurance. The best way to do it is to take a dryer cord, connect it to a small electric panel (2-15A breakers in the panel is all that's needed) mounted on a board and run the appropriate outlets from that. Far less likely to have any problems as its only connected to the dryer outlet when you are using it.

Doug


Post# 239785 , Reply# 23   7/11/2013 at 13:42 (3,912 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
the catalouges

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were in the airing cupboard of a house i am doing up theres another one from 1962 i will put more pics on when i get time just think the bunny girl will be an old woman now well at least 60 says he who has just had his 56th birthday

Post# 239786 , Reply# 24   7/11/2013 at 13:45 (3,912 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
has anyone noticed how the Selex cylinder

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and the Spinney are almost identical

Post# 239789 , Reply# 25   7/11/2013 at 14:09 (3,912 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
1961

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this is from the 1961 john Mills cat dont they look nice when there brand new? note the Hoover cylinder has the new improved tools that came with the Connie

Post# 239790 , Reply# 26   7/11/2013 at 14:23 (3,912 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
1990

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1990

Post# 239792 , Reply# 27   7/11/2013 at 14:27 (3,912 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
another

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front cover missing off this one so not sure of its age

Post# 239794 , Reply# 28   7/11/2013 at 14:40 (3,912 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
1988

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1988

Post# 239795 , Reply# 29   7/11/2013 at 14:57 (3,912 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
196667

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66␳

Post# 239796 , Reply# 30   7/11/2013 at 14:59 (3,912 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
196768

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67␴

Post# 239798 , Reply# 31   7/11/2013 at 15:06 (3,912 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
1963

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1963

Post# 239800 , Reply# 32   7/11/2013 at 15:07 (3,912 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
i know

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there not vacs but couldnt resist

Post# 239810 , Reply# 33   7/11/2013 at 16:27 (3,912 days old) by Collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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The delux Spinney on the 1966/67 page (4 above) was made by Goblin and the low model (blue) was made by Siroma Eng. I'm not sure who made the mid range one though. Both the Golden Spinny and the Spinny hand vac from the 1963 catalogue are also made by Goblin.

Post# 239818 , Reply# 34   7/11/2013 at 17:28 (3,912 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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It is very interesting to see the Convertible in a catalogue!

Post# 239827 , Reply# 35   7/11/2013 at 18:08 (3,912 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Catalogues

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Anthony

Thanks for taking the trouble to scan these - its great information. Note to readers though, the prices shown are NOT typical prices, catalogues (exception Argos) always have higher prices - its how they funded the "interest free" credit.

In reply 27, I would date that from around 1985 or perhaps 1986 - that freedom model continued until that year, even in the "regular" Hoover range.

I knew Doug would love to see those old Goblins badged as Spinney :) It was an arrangement they kept up into the Housemaid upright series :) As regards the 1966/67 Mid range (middle B) I would venture that to be by Siroma too as it has a designation only one up from the Siroma model. What looks to be the same model (at around the right price too) was tested by Which in 1968 but it was branded as Regina, as in the US company Regina, but manufactured in the UK.

As for 1961, better get those glasses tested mate, as the only thing it has in common with the Connie is the hose! The style of tools shown were first seen on the 402 in 1948. When the 417 was introduced it has the "Aerodyne" style floor nozzle that the later Connie had as well as the familiar hard floor nozzle that carried on from the 638 onwards. From memory it had the same dusting nozzle too, although it did have an upholstery nozzle rather then the general purpose brush that was on the Connie 822 and 822a.

When the Connie was introduced the 417 was "de-featured" becoming a much more budget model and it reverted back to the earlier style of tools although actually there was not much of a price difference between the two models. It was only the next series (the one shown is the 417E, the next one being 417G) that the tools were standardised with the rest of the range although its had a Hooverette style combo floor nozzle until the mid 1960s or so. At some point along the way the colour scheme was updated so the "G" was the same colour - the most obvious difference, apart from the tools, was the use of a red rocker switch in place of the step on switch.

Speaking of Hooverette, for US readers this was our version of the later series Lark, only ours always had a handle and used a Dustette/Pixie sliding switch.

Of course the thing that leaps out is that the Hoover range is virtually identicial, apart from styling differences between 1961 and 1972. The orange 427 is just an update of the earlier model 417. Although it looks superficially similar to the 427 Harlequin (the tartan one) they are completely different, the 427 being physically shorter than the 429.

I could (and probably will!) rant on some more, but that's it for now. Thanks again Anthony

Al


Post# 239828 , Reply# 36   7/11/2013 at 18:10 (3,912 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
before I forget ...

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Although the Spinney hand cleaner in 1963 was manufactured by Goblin, I believe this design and tooling was actually bought out of the liquidation of Vactric in 1960 - this design goes back almost as far as the Dustette

Al


Post# 239847 , Reply# 37   7/11/2013 at 23:31 (3,912 days old) by Collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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LOL Al - The picture of the Hoover tank is with the old parts but in the write up it says "The accessories with this cleaner are now the improved type shown and described with item C and not as illustrated with item B" I am assuming that they are referring to either the machine below (no its not mine - just from the web) or the blue version of it. One of them must have replaced the one pictured about that time but they didn't get the picture of it in time to go in the catalogue.

And you're right - I do like the Golden Spinney. Nice colour combination.

Doug


Post# 239850 , Reply# 38   7/12/2013 at 01:28 (3,912 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
hi Vacbear

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it was the description i was going on about i read it to say if you bought the Hoover cylinder you would get the tools displayed with the Connie and not the ones in the photo.On the page with the washingmachines did anyone notice the clothes horse with the heater in the bottom my mum had one in the winter she would remove the clothes horse and slide the heater under the beds to warm them bear in mind the beds were quite high up off the floor with steel bars and springs still quite a fire hazard i would have thought.Theres another cat from 1959 i has no photos just very nice drawings if anyone is interested

Post# 239852 , Reply# 39   7/12/2013 at 01:35 (3,912 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
hi Vacbear

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it was the description i was going on about i read it to say if you bought the Hoover cylinder you would get the tools displayed with the Connie and not the ones in the photo.On the page with the washingmachines did anyone notice the clothes horse with the heater in the bottom my mum had one in the winter she would remove the clothes horse and slide the heater under the beds to warm them bear in mind the beds were quite high up off the floor with steel bars and springs still quite a fire hazard i would have thought.Theres another cat from 1959 i has no photos just very nice drawings if anyone is interested

Post# 239861 , Reply# 40   7/12/2013 at 03:20 (3,912 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Cylinder

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Anthony,

My apologies, I was so blown away by the pictures I did not read the small print, but I have now :) Well that is partially true except that it had a shorter hose than the connie, no suction valve on the handle and as I say, the smaller Hooverette style combo nozzle, it was not until about 1968 or so that it got the "standard" size combo nozzle as shown in Doug's picture in the Smoked Pine/Swedish Green colour combo.

The little wash boiler was by Burco of course, and I am not sure about the spinner, needs someone like ChesterMike to answer that one.

Just following on from your excellent restoration of the Lux 64, I note there are plastic wands and hose handle on the 64 in 1963.

AL


Post# 239862 , Reply# 41   7/12/2013 at 03:21 (3,912 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
1959

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If you could scan that one too that would be brilliant

Thanks

Al


Post# 239868 , Reply# 42   7/12/2013 at 07:30 (3,911 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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It seems like so many of the UK vacs did not have wheels, just runner/sled type mechanisms. Since carpeting was not all that popular in UK homes, wouldn't these vacs scratch the floors and be difficult to pull around?

Gary


Post# 239882 , Reply# 43   7/12/2013 at 13:03 (3,911 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
some more

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from Littlewoods autumn 1967␴ those Spinneys again

Post# 239883 , Reply# 44   7/12/2013 at 13:09 (3,911 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
6768

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more electrolux with a pic of the elusive Z80 i had one of these but gave it to a friend about 2 years ago who was just setting up home i didnt know how rare it was then [wonder if he still has it must find out]whats that thing sticking up at the front of the Z90 just after the front cover

Post# 239885 , Reply# 45   7/12/2013 at 13:16 (3,911 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
the 67

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Hoovers all greeeeeen i remember those hotpoints being a kind of turquoise green or maybe its just the way it was printed.I love the fact that most young people have no idea about old money and keep asking me to convert for them

Post# 239887 , Reply# 46   7/12/2013 at 13:26 (3,911 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
incidentaly

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country guy some of those cleaners have wheels fitted into the runners i would imagine the idea being they could slide straight off a carpet onto bare floors . will try to scan the 59 cat for Vacbear but its not in very good condition and its not glossy like later ones but will give it a go

Post# 239912 , Reply# 47   7/12/2013 at 17:47 (3,911 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
More cracking pictures

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Anthony
These are just brilliant, thank you very much.

The thing on the front of the 90 was a place to attach the butterfly upholstery/dusting brush. Set for upholstery you just pushed it on


Post# 241789 , Reply# 48   7/23/2013 at 20:32 (3,900 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Thanks so much for all these, Anthony...You are generous to a fault! Thanks again!


Post# 241821 , Reply# 49   7/23/2013 at 23:24 (3,900 days old) by chan55 (Green Bay, WI)        
Hotpoint

Was the Hotpoint related to our GE uprights? Sure look a lot alike.

Post# 241870 , Reply# 50   7/24/2013 at 10:01 (3,899 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
front cover missing off this one

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My guess is that page is from about 1983. Looks like the first of the Sensotronic's and last of the Freedom's.

Post# 241873 , Reply# 51   7/24/2013 at 10:37 (3,899 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Freedom

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Chris

The Freedoms (this model) actually go on until into 1986. Anybody know when the Sensortronic range changed from 1,2,3 etc. to 10, 20, 30 .... ? I would have thought the Goblin might have been a bit later than 1983, but this is where my knowledge of dates gets very patchy

Al


Post# 241893 , Reply# 52   7/24/2013 at 13:42 (3,899 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        
Front cover missing

By the process of elimination, I thought the Sensortronic began in 1982 and of course early models had honey-beige tools. The photographs here clearly show dark brown and as catalogues always showed out of date photographs, the brown tools must have been available for some time prior in order to be shown here. The reason for out of date photos was, I might add, because they were requested from manufactures a good deal of time ahead, meaning by the time a new product was sold, many changes could have taken place since the original photo was taken. To this end, I would suggest the catalogue is from late 1983.

I have a notion that the Sensortronic changed from 1,2,3 etc. to 10,20,30 and so on around late 1984. I seem to recall owning documentation from this year which mentioned the changes. One thing Hoover didn't do until relativly late in day was to use a static hose on the base models, rather systems 10,20, and others still had stretch hoses on very early examples. These beefy cleaners were very hard to pull round by a stretch hose and the static hose was a welcome change, yet the oddity of these models (and forgive me if I sound surprised that Hoover had yet another quirk, because I'm not) is that cleaners made for the overseas market can be found with the large, singular operating pedal which was present on the first Sensortronics, and yet had static hoses. I am not sure if the static hose was included on overseas models from the outset, or if production of single-pedal models carried on after the UK cleaners changed to two small pedals.

The Freedom Electronic did indeed carry right on into the 1980's, finishing off with a black set of tools during the last production run. It was a very dated cleaner by then and I never understood why Hoover kept it going.

The Goblin cleaner mentioned must have been the last of it's type; earlier and more popular models were cream or green (electronic). This one is of a lower wattage and with no outstanding features, which is why I think it was one of the last. Also, this would have been around the time that Shop-Vac bought Goblin and a lot of streamlining took place prior to new models being built.


Post# 241932 , Reply# 53   7/24/2013 at 19:03 (3,899 days old) by KirbysNphones ()        
on non US 230...

Do not wire two hot "legs" up to make 240 as is the practice over here! European plugs are wired with a hot, supplying 230, a neutral, and usually a ground. You need to get a step up transformer used for travel that's capable of handling the current/watts the vacuum will pull.

If you put two 120 volt hot conductors to the hot and neutral of a foreign device, you could likely blow it up or start a fire! As someone else said, it's probably best to not permanently wire something like this in. The travel transformers are usually portable and plugged in where needed. Also, since US, Canada and Mexico use 60 Hertz (Cycles) and most of the rest of the world runs 50, the motor will spin faster on the 60 Hz system than it was designed to. Usually not a big deal, but worth mentioning.


Post# 241934 , Reply# 54   7/24/2013 at 19:40 (3,899 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Brilliant scans Anthony - the quality is second to none too.

See Jamie? Even "back in the day," brands sold on the "extra power."


Post# 242030 , Reply# 55   7/25/2013 at 10:44 (3,898 days old) by Collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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@Will.

Using the standard 240 in North America will NOT harm a European appliance at all. You do not need a step up transformer. The only difference between Europe and here is that the pole transformer here has the winding grounded in the center to create two 120 V legs where as the transformer there has one leg grounded. Either way 240 Volts is still 240 Volts. The only difference is that most of Europe is on 50 cycles while we are on 60 cycles and that only makes a difference for some electronics or asyncronus motors (like clocks) Vacuum cleaner motors are not affected at all by a difference in cycles as they can be run on AC or DC. The only thing that prevents modern machines from running on DC is the type of switches used.



Post# 242087 , Reply# 56   7/25/2013 at 19:49 (3,898 days old) by KirbysNphones ()        

@Collector2

Ok, my bad, I was under the assumption that any motor would go faster on a higher frequency, as there are devices to control motor speed by varying the frequency.

I understand how the two systems differ as well, but if something is designed to be supplied by 230-240 volts from a hot and a neutral, supplying it with two hot conductors won't mess it up?

Sorry for any confusion.


Post# 242092 , Reply# 57   7/25/2013 at 20:43 (3,898 days old) by Collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hey Will:

The only difference between using our two hot wire 240 Volt system and the European 240 V hot-neutral system lies in the fact that a switch on the machine is designed to break only one leg of the circuit normally. In the case of our stuff this really makes no difference as it still breaks the circuit and we aren't leaving the machine connected. If it were a permanently connected machine though it would require a double pole switch that disconnected both leads to make the item (in this case the motor) electrically dead.

Asynchronous or induction motors, like in a clock, use the fluctuating AC field in the stator winding to turn the rotor so it basically follows the cycles of the AC to make it turn.

A vacuum motor is what you call a Universal AC/DC motor. In this type brushes contact a commutator on the rotor supplying power to the windings on the rotor which set up a magnetic field which is opposite that of the stator. This pushes the rotor ahead, which in turn, brings the next segment of the commutator into contact with the brushes again with the same result, turning the rotor.

Hope that explains a bit
Doug



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