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Post# 223489   3/14/2013 at 08:12 (4,032 days old) by sarasvacshack ()        

Lots of negative comments regarding Miele vacuums from a few collectors/dealers here in vacuumland, but it is interesting to see how consumers view the line.



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Post# 223490 , Reply# 1   3/14/2013 at 08:50 (4,031 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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You're certainly not the only one who likes Miele vacuums. I think they're fantastic and probably the best cylinder on the market, certainly in Europe anyway.

Post# 223510 , Reply# 2   3/14/2013 at 12:03 (4,031 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Reports are misleading though against actual use.

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I don't think there's a perfect brand in my experience but they are near perfect models depending on what takes your fancy. I don't dislike Miele - I wouldn't have bought five of their machines and over the years some of my reviews have been good for the brand. However, when it comes to ownership nothing is perfect and like an expensive to buy car or an expensive piece of jewellery you buy, even the best care can sometimes go against the design or the promise.

Which UK which is probably more Miele-biased orientated than any other brand still maintain that Miele is number 1 for their canister reliability against SEBO being number 1 for their uprights. The data may well be collected from various sources but it all points to Miele in the UK for many years not producing a comparatively similar upright vacuum that could have beaten SEBO - certainly as a brand, Miele are well known compared to SEBO who only produce vacuums and though I've never heard it personally, a lot of people claim that Miele apparently thought the SEBO X machines were so good, they wouldn't be able to produce a model as good.

They could well have launched the same Panasonic U.S based uprights in the UK though but they chose not to - I think that was a bad decision as the Panasonic uprights we got had none of the features that the U.S were lucky to have like auto cord rewind, suction control and a dirt searcher light (okay, maybe 10 years prior buying the older models) - Panasonic's own machines were (and still are) more basic with the older design of 2 drive belts requiring to be replaced as well as some less well thought out design points. I'm happier that my new Panasonic doesn't have 2 belts to replace though but I'm more disappointed to find that the U.S equivalent comes with a brush roll on/off function whereas the UK version doesn't.

The Miele S7 is very good in so many respects - it's just a pity that its too damn big and bulky - in my opinion and experience. The Alternative Stick vac isn't a proper upright in my eyes and it was very short lived in the UK. Had the UK version come originally with a power nozzle and my mind about that machine would have possibly been very different!

The report link you've shown illustrates a lot of unusual findings taking into consideration of brands that are under different companies and for the most part, how the summaries of info were collected when the report was done. Dyson in the UK for example, are rated average for reliability by Which UK. Which? sometimes gets it wrong - they rated Numatic Henry as average and the intro to the SEBO D series as having no bag indicator, clearly located behind the hose mount on top of the machine!

One has to bear in mind a few things regarding this report - the U.S were only introduced to Dyson's products at a time when Dyson design was far better than the DC01, DC02 series that the UK got; therefore no wonder their reliability is better.

Secondly, the other brands that are lower down in the table that suggest poor reliability such as Dirt Devil is a bit misleading for most owners who now have TTI Hoover appliances (and now Vax UK) who are all made under the same umbrella companies. What models for example were found to be unreliable from Dirt Devil - or let alone any other company and their selective models and was the data from Dirt Devil BEFORE TTI took over, thus outlining the separate older designs that Hoover did not share at that point?






Post# 223518 , Reply# 3   3/14/2013 at 13:24 (4,031 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        

I think Mieles are best appreciated by Americans who are willing to look at vacuums differently. We're accustomed to using Kenmores with their 7 foot hoses, Electroluxes with their full size dusting brushes and I won't even say anything about cord length. Mieles are different, no doubt about it. Every piece and attachment of my Capricorn looks and feels as if they were designed with intent and not assembled with aftermarket components. (Alas, I do miss the full sized dusting brush.)

Post# 223527 , Reply# 4   3/14/2013 at 14:09 (4,031 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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End of the day, its probably just a question of choice. Certainly if the UK had the luck of Aerus on our shelves I'd probably say Miele would have a direct rival. Sadly we don't have that option. The closest to Aerus are the Chinese made Electrolux models we get and they are far and aware from the world of performance that Miele give as well as perceived quality.

Post# 223531 , Reply# 5   3/14/2013 at 14:21 (4,031 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, Connecticut)        
Yet another survey I wasn't included in

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Ohhhhh come on, JD Power & Associates must be off their rocker.

I always thought they were shady.

They didn't even include high end vacuums like Aerus Electrolux, Filter Queen, Rainbow, TriStar etc.

And Riccar made the upright segment but not the canister segment...how come?

I don't buy this for a second.

FLAWED...I tell ya, that survey is flawed.


Post# 223532 , Reply# 6   3/14/2013 at 14:27 (4,031 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I still think Miele are one of the better brands of vacuum cleaners, but the quality is nothing at all like it used to be. It seems to me they have kept their quality above that of most others, but it's still only a percentage of what it was, proving if you will what I have often said, which is that a high-quality product only has to be the best in the field; it does not have to be the best it can be.

Of course, the relative retail price has dropped as time has progressed, and this does at least go some way to make up for the decline in quality, but it is not the answer for the type of consumer who is happy to pay the price for a product of supreme quality. As I understand it, Meile whitegoods continue to be of the quality of which they are famous for.


Post# 223607 , Reply# 7   3/14/2013 at 19:51 (4,031 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        
Definitely not alone...

They are desirable machines. Thier filtration alone should make them worthy of consideration and make competitors take note. My flaws with them are quibbles and you can quibble any machine.

Post# 223629 , Reply# 8   3/14/2013 at 22:10 (4,031 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Miele's changing prices and re-releasing old models.

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Case in point - for years the old S380 and S381 was the basic starter cylinder vac before the S2 came along. The S4 sat above it in terms of price because if was smaller and lighter. I had both, firstly the pastel blue S380 and eventually the S381 - both cost £99 at Comet and Currys. The S4 was next model upwards, costing £149 and upwards before the S5 range. Now that effectively the S6 has taken over the S4 (and prices range from the obligatory £149,) Miele have re-released the S380/S381 at a cost of £199!

Currys are selling old bodies in the form of the S700 series but priced it at a jaw dropping £199! Now several months later the price has dropped to £149

Based on the fact that the S6 is closer to £200 and they're still selling the excellent S4212 at £149 makes no difference - both use the same FJM bag that the much heavier S700 uses and about the only difference is the choice of floor heads, the comfort auto rewind on the S6 and the much lighter weight and plastics that both the S4 and S6 offer. Still, for some at least one could argue that the old box S700 is still around - but I'd never spend so much on the older models when the newer ones offer better features and far lighter to cart around.



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Post# 223644 , Reply# 9   3/15/2013 at 05:13 (4,031 days old) by thermokid (Casper, Wyoming)        
I Love my Miele Capricorn

BUT, I will probably never use it again after I got my new Aerus Lux Gaurdian Platinum...... Dan

Post# 223872 , Reply# 10   3/16/2013 at 16:10 (4,029 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Dan, is the Aerus lighter, heavier or similar by the body weight of the main machine before the hose?

Post# 223875 , Reply# 11   3/16/2013 at 17:01 (4,029 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Sorry Ryan, but I have to bring up your Panasonic point made earlier.

From the launch of the 50 series in 1992, the higher end Panasonic's all had variable power, electronic controls with LED displays, headlights, cord rewind and beater bar on/off switches. From the launch of the 400 and 500 series in 1995, ALL Panasonic uprights had beater bar on/off with the mid and high end 400 series having variable power and the mid and high end 500 series all having variable power, cord rewind and (in the case of the TOL model) a headlight.

 

The TOL of the re-designed 500 series that appeared in 1998 and the TOL Icon from 1999 both had the dirt sensor. 

 

None of these cleaners had the 2 belt system. 

 

The only cleaners not to feature these were the post-2007 models when production was moved to China.  That was when the 1700 - 1900w cleaners that we have now first appeared and although these have acceptable performance, they're not a patch on the earlier machines. 

 

I suspect Miele never used the Panasonic upright rebrands in the UK/Europe because Panasonic were still selling thousands of them anyway. In the early 90's and again in the 2000's with the MC-E468 machine, Panasonic were the best selling upright in the UK. Why would Panasonic make these cleaners for Miele when they were doing a pretty good job of selling them anyway? It was a different story in the US, where the European style Panasonic's were never sold (apart from under the Miele name)


Post# 223911 , Reply# 12   3/16/2013 at 19:49 (4,029 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Okay Chris, time to learn.

 

 

I referred to the same Panasonic uprights that Miele produced - the Powerhouse range, S171 up to S184 and they are based on the Panasonic MCE 464, MCE 468 and MCE 469 ( released and sold in the UK 2002/ 2003)

 

If you read my post you'll see that I said "10 years prior or so," and in the right context going back to 2003, yours truly had the MCE 3001 white bagged upright in 2005, two years after AND that one had those horrid double belts as well as being basic and sparse. My point is that Miele had the upper hand when Panasonic had changed over to the larger motor capacity AND 2 drive belt uprights much later in life, because Miele were still selling their single belt driven high spec Powerhouse uprights right up until 2011! 

 

FYI the following vacs from Panasonic have double belts with launch years:

 

Panasonic MCE 3001 2005

Panasonic MCE 4001 2005

Panasonic MCE 4003 2003

Panasonic MCE 4011 2005

Panasonic MCE 4013 2004

Panasonic MCE 3002 2007

Panasonic MCE 3011 2006

 

The point I'm making is that right up until 2011, Panasonic were continually churning out the basic versions in the UK when Miele had the upper hand for more premium features; one can't deny that if there is any brand that springs to mind for fitting the earliest example in the UK of a modern hard box upright brush roll on/off function, it would be Panasonic - but the brand ignored this and stopped the production of that feature, allowing it to pop up years later as a "new" advancement for the bagless upright brands to brag about. Panasonic weren't losing money either - they were still busy churning out motors for Dyson or Bosch as well as developing small canister vacuums with Bosch to cut production costs.

 

Therefore I don't think it would have harmed Panasonic at all if Miele had brought their U.S vacuums here. But I know why Miele didn't bring the Powerhouse range here as I had written to Miele UK about them- it wasn't a question of money, it was a question of the lack of perceived quality against Miele's other products at the time AND secondly public perception of the brand. Lets not forget Miele and so many other brands have only been online in the last couple of years - past Miele recognition was either stemmed from word of mouth or Which?UK testing where Miele could present the awards they had won in the past and bring them to light to a much bigger audience for product saturation, recognition and approval. Miele in Germany didn't feel that the Miele Powerhouse uprights were as well made as the rest of the Miele family.

 

The best selling tag however doesn't wash with me - not when Hoover use the same tag to describe their Purepower uprights as well as other brands.

 


Post# 223967 , Reply# 13   3/17/2013 at 11:54 (4,028 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Ryan, that white Miele is a re-badge of the TOL Panasonic MC-E452, from 1995. This cleaner was part of the original 400 series launched in the UK in 95 and featured the same features as the Miele. Both cleaners were made in Spain. The 1700w Panasonic pictured above is from 2007 and was made in China. 

 

All the cleaners branded as Miele were on sale at some point or other in the UK. 

 

The Purepower is currently the best selling bagged upright in the UK - not surprising as people still think of the Hoover name as being quality and they're pretty cheap. 


Post# 223978 , Reply# 14   3/17/2013 at 12:44 (4,028 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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No but you are missing the point Chris - its not a question of whether these Panasonics were on sale "at any point in the UK"- its the fact that whilst Miele had the vacuums up until 2011, the UK market made do with the more basic versions and less practical given that the Miele models made do with a single drive belt as well. Miele would have had interested buyers for the fact that they had better/convenient features and a far more purposeful upright than the "stick vac" that Miele only offered to UK buyers.

 

Also there is very little data to actually support "the best selling" tag  - where did you find that personal statement? Its on Hoover's website of course but there is no actual sales percentage shown that supports that as well as other brands as well and it is a three pronged attack to the buyer's awareness. (Hoover actually do themselves a disservice on their site using www.reevoo.com... as a review site to support their model's use as some reports are desperately negative.)

 

Firstly, Unless you request sales reports every year from each brand and then tally up the amounts sold and produced, it is nigh impossible to believe the statement. Which UK do produce good results though - although I don't believe that they have always produced fair test results with their Miele vacuums, with some models citing poorer performance just because of the filter type on board or choice of floor head. One can see that when you sign up to their company and read their reports.

 

Secondly "The best selling" tag is a pure and simple USP tag that brands use to promote their products - and Hoover doesn't have the best reliability around if you believe Which and read their statistics- or for the fact that the company itself has only offered ONE bagged upright range, concentrating on the cheaper bagless cyclonic design. The Purepower is far from a good quality vacuum  - the adjuster dial and the release handle pedal are two of the more common faults to break early on I've seen in countless reviews from owners. I've also had Purepower uprights and I found out the hard way! So my knowledge stems from experience and ownership. Where it does fight well is on price and for the fact that, being Hoover means spares, bags and filters are plentiful on a national scale.

 

Thirdly, the brand name "Hoover" in the UK has always been popular. Even Dyson, Miele and other brands that are posted on auction sites are wrongly tagged with the "hoover" name because the UK have always used the "Hoover" name to describe a vacuum cleaner. Thus, UK buyers are always loyal to the point of going with what their family had or going with a name that they feel stands up well to create the illusion of the perfect vacuum cleaner. As well all know, despite Hoover Europe's efforts - the company just isn't what it was when the American company owned it. That's the true sadness of the brand. 


Post# 223991 , Reply# 15   3/17/2013 at 13:43 (4,028 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
its the fact that whilst Miele had the vacuums up until 20

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Well, I'd imagine the more basic versions on sale in the UK now, being made in China and with less features, will be cheaper to manufacture and sell for the same price. I don't think Panasonic has any vacuum production left in Spain since the Miele deal ended. The cheaper manufacturing has meant that Panasonic can concentrate on producing more cleaners, so it's not entirely wasted


Post# 224027 , Reply# 16   3/17/2013 at 17:18 (4,028 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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No, its not entirely wasted but as with all major brands, its been left to brands like Sebo and Miele to bring in high end high price bagged uprights compared to Panasonic, Electrolux and Hoover who used to supply more than one model line up and who also used to fit more features than very little you will find now. Brush roll on/off, variable suction and even dirt searcher LAMPS have been fitted to the cyclonic uprights or Miele. Bagged uprights have thus whittled down to just a few now but Miele could have had a good market at the time and had a proper full size upright to offer before the S7 came in. 

 

By the way the new Panasonic MC UG522 I bought recently is made in Mexico. 

 


Post# 224213 , Reply# 17   3/18/2013 at 22:30 (4,027 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Bye Bye Sebo, Hello Miele.

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So yesterday, there I was yaking away to a friend of mine who has moved into a new house near mine and talking about vacuums and general appliances. She has a Miele S5 Red Pearl vacuum that she feels is too heavy for the smaller home and along with the turbo brush head, it had the old style Miele S571 suction floor head - the type where the central part pivots up and down - the one of few Miele suction heads I adore. I allowed her to test drive my Sebo K1 Komfort and a swap was duly done and dusted!

Bye bye K1 Komfort - hello S5 Red Pearl. I've always liked the S5 but the red pearl one reminds me of my slightly lighter red S381 I had for many wonderful years before selling it on (and regretting). No more putting up with the lousy external tool storers anymore! She bought it brand new in 2008 and its been well cared for. Apart from a stinky hose (I replaced it with a spare S4212 one I have with the 3 part tool storer nibs on them.) everything else has been well looked after.

Tsk to any one who thinks I hate Miele vacuums!



Post# 224216 , Reply# 18   3/18/2013 at 23:08 (4,027 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Pr...

My brother has just bought one of these from argos as a replacement for a morphy richards.


Post# 224236 , Reply# 19   3/19/2013 at 04:43 (4,027 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Nice one Ryan!

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Great swap! I do like the Sebo cylinders (especially the D series), but Miele seem to have the edge of them. It's like the old Hoover/Electrolux rule - Sebo for uprights, Miele for cylinders.

Post# 224241 , Reply# 20   3/19/2013 at 07:58 (4,027 days old) by cue003 (S. FL, USA. )        

@sebo_fab, nice trade. Can you take a picture of the head you like that you are talking about. I am curious to see it?. Is it similar in design to the new airteq combo tool?

Post# 224254 , Reply# 21   3/19/2013 at 11:11 (4,026 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oh no Cue - its the old floor head that came with older Miele canisters. Havent got one of my vintage brochures to hand for the actual model numbers sadly. As you'll soon learn, its the same carpet throughout my house!

But the old problem still surfaces in my home for the use of the Miele S5 - not enough cord stretch - but as with the K1 Komfort, its the cylinder vacs of choice to use in other places not determined, or required by the long lead. The S5 has a 2000 watt motor of course, but its so much quieter than my S6 Ecoline on the low settings plus indefinitely better built and even if it lacks the "Comfort" rewind feature on the power cord, at least my ankles don't get hit with the plug due to the lower way the plug recess has been designed. Also, its a good return to the tools under the flap as opposed to the external flimsy tool storer.


Post# 314888 , Reply# 22   2/8/2015 at 05:40 (3,336 days old) by edgar (Belgium)        
love it

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Best canister on the market ;-))

Post# 314889 , Reply# 23   2/8/2015 at 05:55 (3,336 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Miele make fantastic cylinders but when it comes to Power Nozzles I'd go for Sebo. 5 year warranty as standard easy to remove brushroll, half the price of Mieles PN model in UK. You can't replace the brushroll on the Miele PN, the brushroll doesn't clean close to the edge and only a 2 year standard warranty.
So as far as PN cylinders go Sebo would be my choice.


Post# 314891 , Reply# 24   2/8/2015 at 07:06 (3,336 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I think if you own a SEBO or Miele PN model, you won't actually know. Yes, you can agree with several members in what they own, but actual ownership counts for a lot.

Having had a K3P and though I love the electronic control on the handle, I'm still not all that convinced that a PN cylinder vac offers more lightness than a conventional upright.


Post# 314893 , Reply# 25   2/8/2015 at 07:28 (3,335 days old) by marcusprit ()        

I do have a Miele Accu Nova which is the equivalent of the Miele 217 power nozzle. It is definitely lighter than using my Felix.
But I still say the Sebo is better value for the reasons I mentioned above.
If you are going to use a straight suction nozzle or turbo brush (with ear plugs) then Miele is an excellent choice.


Post# 314894 , Reply# 26   2/8/2015 at 07:31 (3,335 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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I just bought a Miele S8 FreshAir suction only canister in pure white. I am a convert to Miele now! This is what a Eureka Williams vac would have been in the 21st century had it not been gobbled up by multinational Electrolux.

I am a strong believer in a 2-vac team for cleaning house: an upright for carpets (no tools) and a suction only canister for everything else. My Miele S8 is similar to the Alize which is now the top-rated suction only canister vacuum in current Consumer Reports ratings. It rates an "excellent" in bare floor cleaning, air flow through the hose for above the floor cleaning, emissions control and noise suppression. It even has a nifty spotlight on the ergonomic hose handle!

Very pleased with this investment and it was only CAD$550 from McHardy Vacuum here in Canada.


Post# 314895 , Reply# 27   2/8/2015 at 07:35 (3,335 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Oh yes definitely an upright for carpet and cylinder for hard floors and above floor cleaning. I use either my Dyson DC41 mk2 or Sebo Felix for carpet and Miele S8 for everything else.

Post# 314896 , Reply# 28   2/8/2015 at 07:40 (3,335 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Nar I don't copy what others say I form my own opinions. Like I say I have experience of Miele and Sebo PN. The Accu Nova (217 equivalent) And the Sebo ET1
If I copied what others say I wouldn't have got a Dyson :-)


Post# 314905 , Reply# 29   2/8/2015 at 09:41 (3,335 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Have you had a K3 or D4 though?

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Yes Marcus but it is different - the ET1 with the Felix is a far lighter and easier all in one vacuum compared to the K3 or D4.

Infact the Felix is lighter to push in my experience on carpet than fitting the Kombi suction floor tool, which the Felix 4 used to offer as a single model.



Post# 314906 , Reply# 30   2/8/2015 at 09:50 (3,335 days old) by marcusprit ()        

My point was comparing the miele and sebo power head. I have experience of both.
Miele PN C3 £600
Sebo D4 £350
Sebo K3 Premium £250
Sebo 5 year guarantee
Miele 2 Year Guarantee
Sebo easy to remove brushroll
Miele can't replace brushroll
Sebo edge cleaning on one side
Miele brusroll doesn't clean close to edge.
Add to that cheaper bags and filters then I'd go for Sebo. I don't need to copy other members views. They are the facts.


Post# 314909 , Reply# 31   2/8/2015 at 10:37 (3,335 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Im playing devil's advocate but also my experience.

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Yes but you are missing the point. It doesn't matter whether the power nozzle is better than the other, you're forgetting the cylinder vacuum behind it PLUS the weight of the hose, plus the weight of the tubes regardless of whether SEBO fit the plastic sheath and metal ones for the PN head K3 or D4. Don't forget there's also the added weight the permanent rod that runs down the back.

You can compare each floor head all you like, but it doesn't hold much standing if you don't consider the vacuum that comes WITH IT.

Also, in my purchasing experience, Miele used to honour the 10 year guarantee with a few of their models back in the 1990s. The PN you speak of with the C3 from Miele could well come with a 10 year warranty "free" without extra payment. And even if you get the £35/£50 option to pay for that option alone, I'd still consider that if I was buying that model alone.

The "cheaper" dust bags and filters can only truly be considered if comparing only the D4 to the larger Miele GN bagged models. Otherwise the K series with its 3 litres only in a box of 7 to 10 could well balance out "in time" when comparing the larger known 4.5 litre/5 litre dust capacity of the bigger bags that Miele supply.

And then there's the problem I and quite a few other members online have had with the SEBO - the pig tail connectors. They are NOT honoured under the 5 year warranty. I gave up after going through 3 of the connectors from handle to the tubes.


Post# 314913 , Reply# 32   2/8/2015 at 10:48 (3,335 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Oh didn't realise the pig tail connectors weren't covered under the warranty. They are very exposed!

Anyway I prefer an upright on carpet I only use a cylinder for hard floors and above floors so I don't need a PN model.Mieles are excellent for my needs but I'm still going to get a Sebo E series :-)


Post# 314916 , Reply# 33   2/8/2015 at 11:01 (3,335 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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By the looks of it the Electro head with the C3 isn't the ACCU Nova type either, since the C3 is fitted with an electro-tube, which suggests permanent mains power run. Even if the sole plate might be the same - infact from Miele's video it looks like the brush roll doesn't have any grids on it, thus easier to clean off the brush roll without taking anything off.

I wonder then with the lack of grids, does that mean rug edges are in danger of being sucked up into the brush roll? I already discovered that with the Vax Mach Air-E uprights recently as well as the Vax Cordless Air


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Post# 314918 , Reply# 34   2/8/2015 at 11:05 (3,335 days old) by marcusprit ()        

The C3 comes with the 236 TOL PN.

If it's right Sebo won't honour the warranty on those exposed pigtails then that would put me off buying one! That is not good!


Post# 314924 , Reply# 35   2/8/2015 at 12:45 (3,335 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        

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Post# 314925 , Reply# 36   2/8/2015 at 13:37 (3,335 days old) by Mike81 ()        

I had the white Miele S380 canister about 2 years ago. It was well made and all connections snapped together firmly. Nothing fancy and not the quietest, but solid vacuum.
Now I have Miele powerhead (SEB 216-3). Plastic in it feels very durable and it performs better than I expected for it's size. One thing I don't like about it is the weight (again for its size). They could have make it a bit lighter and smaller. Some manufacturers do their powerheads with the same size brush roll more user friendly.


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Post# 314927 , Reply# 37   2/8/2015 at 13:54 (3,335 days old) by marcusprit ()        

The brushroll doesn't get close to the edge though and you can't change it when it wears, that's why I prefer the sebo powerhead. See how close it gets to the edge on left hand side?

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Post# 314930 , Reply# 38   2/8/2015 at 14:42 (3,335 days old) by Mike81 ()        

Unfortunately we don't have Sebo products in the Finland. That looks like full-size powerhead. It's not comparable to the SEB 216-217?

Yes the edge cleaning isn't good, but fortunately I don't need it. I don't have wall to wall carpeted floor, only rugs.
About brush roll wearing. it has adjustable height. It's done by flipping bearing brackets. It's meant to compensate brush roll wear. But eventually it needs to be changed according to the manual.


Post# 314931 , Reply# 39   2/8/2015 at 14:49 (3,335 days old) by marcusprit ()        

I think the sebo et1 is 12 inches. I have the Accu nova which is the same as the one in your photo but battery powered. The battery is not great that's why they discontinued it. But if you only have rugs it's ideal :-) I do love my S8 :-)

Post# 314932 , Reply# 40   2/8/2015 at 15:15 (3,335 days old) by Mike81 ()        

Accu nova would be great with the modern battery. I agree the Miele S8 is excellent!
We have quite reasonably priced Miele lineup. For example Miele Classic C1 Powerline 149€ and Miele Complete C3 Powerline 199€ :)


Post# 314933 , Reply# 41   2/8/2015 at 15:18 (3,335 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Yes that's excellent value and I agree an Accu Nova with a lithium battery would be good. I hope they introduce them again.:-)

Post# 314990 , Reply# 42   2/9/2015 at 11:09 (3,334 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Interesting reading through this thread. I think Miele vacuums are good vacuums. They are well made and very high suction with great filtration and probably the best quality bags. However, they are up against SEBO, who build in my opinion better vacuums, especially in term of value for money, undercutting some models by hundreds of pounds. I think they have better carpet performance, are more versatile, and in my experience, simpler made, more durable with less expensive parts. Some of the plastics on my S7 I had were quite soft and the S5 canister didn't have the solidity of my D4 premium.

Post# 314992 , Reply# 43   2/9/2015 at 11:20 (3,334 days old) by marcusprit ()        

They are both excellent. Straight suction or turbo brush models it's a close call. Power Nozzle models I'd go for Sebo although if it's correct what Nar says the pigtail connectors aren't covered by the warranty that would put me off as they are very exposed.

Post# 315071 , Reply# 44   2/10/2015 at 01:29 (3,334 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

In the UK, Miele are pretty much the best you can get, along with sebo.

I have an S5111 as a daily driver and I keep looking for something more fun or vintage to replace it and I've not found anything yet!


Post# 315080 , Reply# 45   2/10/2015 at 06:46 (3,334 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Nar you are correct about the pigtail connectors and the exposed cable on the handle of the Sebo D4 and K3 Premium it is NOT covered by the warranty so you need to be very careful not to damage it. I'd consider covering it with tape. I'd imagine it is pretty easy to repair though?

Post# 315082 , Reply# 46   2/10/2015 at 07:36 (3,333 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The thing is Marcus, its all very well covering it with tape but at the same time it limits the vac's use if you can't use the handle and hose for dusting with.

I dont know why SEBO can't just fit the connector flush into the handle of the vacuum. When you consider that Panasonic and other brands do it, its a total PITA.


Post# 315083 , Reply# 47   2/10/2015 at 07:49 (3,333 days old) by marcusprit ()        

I agree with you the cable should be flush into the handle i don't really understand why it isn't. Anyway i'm now considering a G1 i can get one for £189 which i think is fantastic value. I've always fancied one :)

Post# 315086 , Reply# 48   2/10/2015 at 08:50 (3,333 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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But the G1 doesn't have the all important squeegee you moaned about having, earlier.

Post# 315088 , Reply# 49   2/10/2015 at 08:54 (3,333 days old) by marcusprit ()        

It doesn't but i will only use it on my carpets. I wasn't moaning i was just pointing out it's advantages and disadvantages.

Post# 315093 , Reply# 50   2/10/2015 at 09:08 (3,333 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Where can you get them for the price you quote?

Post# 315096 , Reply# 51   2/10/2015 at 09:16 (3,333 days old) by marcusprit ()        

It's a German company called reinigungsberater

Post# 315097 , Reply# 52   2/10/2015 at 09:18 (3,333 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Handy to know thanks

Post# 315098 , Reply# 53   2/10/2015 at 09:19 (3,333 days old) by marcusprit ()        

My pleasure :)

Post# 315110 , Reply# 54   2/10/2015 at 15:08 (3,333 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Check item number on EBay UK: 201282567379

Post# 315112 , Reply# 55   2/10/2015 at 15:13 (3,333 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Oh yeah Ensign :-)

Post# 315669 , Reply# 56   2/16/2015 at 14:28 (3,327 days old) by mieles5380leo (Virginia)        
I LOVE my Miele

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My Miele is the best vacuum I've ever owned. I think they have the simplest design there is.

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Post# 316146 , Reply# 57   2/20/2015 at 03:11 (3,324 days old) by thermokid (Casper, Wyoming)        
Miele-- Good Vacuums

if it only wasn't for the short cord and short hose and expensive bags and filters.

Post# 316149 , Reply# 58   2/20/2015 at 05:54 (3,324 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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"...if it only wasn't for the short cord and short hose and expensive bags and filters. "

Well it depends on how you look at things.

Currently in Europe most cylinder vacs are now being released with hoses as short of 1.5 metres to compensate for the lack of suction worries that the EU law have brought in for reducing vacuum cleaner power.

Miele still appear to be making longer hoses at 1.8 metres, SEBO offer 2.1 metres on selected models from 1.8 metres and the Numatic Henry offers 2.5 metres. Too much hose can be difficult to manage in my experience.

Whilst I agree the filters and bags are expensive by Miele, the filters in my experience do last longer than a year, but it very much depends on the kind of your home you have and the number of family members. Miele vacs do last a long time though, longer than most other European non-German brands in my experience, and their fittings are good.

As for short cords, Miele are improving. The S8 model I have has an 8 metre cord length which was unheard of many years ago; Miele could easily fit longer cords but they don't want their uprights to suffer if people are buying more of the cylinders/cans.


Post# 316150 , Reply# 59   2/20/2015 at 06:30 (3,324 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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I love my Miele S8 canister...it has a 24-foot cord and 7-foot hose.

My only complaint can be applied to most other vacuum-makers: why can't they make a dusting brush with really soft bristles for dusting delicate surfaces like computer screens? Even Miele's larger Universal Dusting Brush is not soft enough.

Those readers who have used really soft horse-hair dusting brushes and floor brushes will know what I mean: they are almost as soft as human hair. I bought a soft Kenmore/Panasonic dusting brush years ago and have held onto it just for dusting my delicate surfaces (including scratchable plastics like clock radio display covers). I use this tool with my Miele using an $8 metal attachment convertor.


Post# 316151 , Reply# 60   2/20/2015 at 06:36 (3,324 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Can't say I've had a problem with the length of hose or cord on my Miele S8. It's perfectly adequate for my needs.

The bags are quite expensive around £2.50 each but the new 3D bags do seem to last a bit longer and if you don't need a HEPA filter or charcoal filter you can just use the standard air filter that comes in the box of bags.


Post# 316153 , Reply# 61   2/20/2015 at 06:42 (3,324 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I've always been mystified as to what the American and Canadian market get in terms of "really soft dusting" brushes, because in my mind here in the UK, the softest I have ever tried are the horsehair natural bristles that Miele used to make with their hard floor tools. But they seldom actually direct the dirt to the dust channels and instead just clog up.

On occasion I use the Miele dusting tool that I got with my S8 (the one with the silver band) on my computer screen. I haven't noticed any scratches and the dust gets picked up easily. However I'd sooner use a dry microfibre cloth to clean my computer. I like the Miele dust brush and the similar ones SEBO equip with their machines - but it seems that the U.S & Canada are used to very different attachments.

When I sold an additional SEBO D2 Total last year to one of my American friends here in Scotland, she remarked that she didn't think the dust brush on board was up to the job; I gave her a spare larger X series dusting brush which she finds a lot better - but even in use, when Im at her home the dusting brushes on all of her other three vacuums (they live in a huge home) are all clogged up with dust!

It begs me to question that if a bushier dust brush can't pick up dust actually without clogging the bristles and directing them to the dust channel, as to what the point of them is?


Post# 316161 , Reply# 62   2/20/2015 at 08:36 (3,323 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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The softer, bushier dusting brushes are meant to attract and remove all dust from delicate surfaces. Ever since I was old enough to read English instruction manuals, I learnt that all vac-makers recommend running the end of the hose across the bristles of any attachment to clean the brushes. So since I was a young cleaner-phile, I have made it a habit of turning the brush around and giving it a quick clean with the hose end. I do this between each dusting task. I even clean the bristles on the floor tool this way before storing the vacuum away.

In truth, I agree with you that only a Swiffer duster with electrostatic pads can remove all the fine dust on a delicate surface. But when it comes to sculpted furniture and the deep recesses of computer keyboards, there is nothing like a very soft vacuum brush with long horse-hair bristles to move dust and dirt off the surfaces on which they are clinging.


Post# 316162 , Reply# 63   2/20/2015 at 08:43 (3,323 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Dyson have a Carbon Fibre dusting brush. I wonder if that's any good.

Post# 316163 , Reply# 64   2/20/2015 at 08:46 (3,323 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I think most people do that Brian - taking the hose end and cleaning off the bristles and floor heads, but whilst i would do that periodically with floor heads, I find I have to do that all the time, not just with the German brands but also so many others. If a dusting brush can't pick up dust properly where you have to clean it off, then I think its doing the job wrongly.

It is possibly why SEBO and Bosch don't always fit dusting brushes to their ranges of vacuums; both brands don't see the need for them. They only fit dusting brushes if there is a demand for them.

There may be nothing like a dust brush that is dead soft to go over precious things, but frankly I think its a waste of time. Not to mention that in the usage of cleaning said precious pieces, not to trip over the vacuum cleaner in question at the time of use or get stuck with the hose tangling up etc.


Post# 316261 , Reply# 65   2/21/2015 at 04:13 (3,323 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Not only to remove debris stuck in the bristles of the dust brush-the hose will remove those abrasive particles that cause scratching!Do the hose tip thing, too with dusting tools and bare floor tools.My Mom and Stepmom showed me this.

Post# 316313 , Reply# 66   2/21/2015 at 12:33 (3,322 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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I personally love Miele's vacuums, they are well made and clean very well. I have 6 of them in my collection. My only issue with Miele is their parts pricing, it is genuinely insane.

Post# 316325 , Reply# 67   2/21/2015 at 14:04 (3,322 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        

I think anytime you buy something relatively expensive you have to expect the parts to expensive as well

Post# 316352 , Reply# 68   2/21/2015 at 17:24 (3,322 days old) by Reflector ()        
Get multiple dusting brushes

This probably sounds like insanity, but I'd advise against looking at a dusting brush as a dusting brush and instead as one dusting brush out of a set. I have the Sebo X/C nylon brush, horsehair brush and Dyson Soft Dusting Brush as my top three in use. The Sebo nylon brush I use on any "durable" surfaces that has particularly "stuck on" dust that needs some more agitation than most of brushes I have. The horsehair brush I use on relatively "delicate" surfaces (Painted plastics, furniture clearcoats). The Dyson brush I use with an adapter since I find it speedier to wipe down large, open surfaces with it. That's just the three and not the few others I have. I still find that it isn't enough to clean off objects and surfaces that way since I end up running into situations with different surface contaminants and different surfaces that just would go so much quicker and clean better if I had an application specific brush.

As for computer screens? I treat them the way I'd treat a fine automobile's clearcoat: Mist with detailer that provides lubrication and wipe with clean microfiber. The hardcoat they put on them doesn't like brushes as much as a automobile clearcoat doesn't like having road grit scrubbed over it and sucked off. Anything that scratches easily, has high instrinsic value for the surface coating and overall appearance gets that treatment.


Post# 316372 , Reply# 69   2/21/2015 at 23:27 (3,322 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Indeed, my Miele S8 FreshAir can now be used with one of three dusting brushes: the small on-board Miele brush is good for durable surfaces in tight spaces like dresser drawers and baseboards and the seams of car upholstery, the larger Universal Brush is great for wide sweeps of carpeting under the bed and the shelves of linen closets and kitchen cabinets, and my soft horse-hair Kenmore brush attaches with an adapter for picture frames and delicate sculpted wood furniture and computer vents and keyboards.

Post# 316391 , Reply# 70   2/22/2015 at 07:45 (3,321 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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See, I just prefer to use one dusting tool. I can't abide using three of the same even if there is a slightly different texture of brushes. I don't do it with my teeth and I don't have two or three different kinds of brooms if I go back to sweeping a floor. I dont see why I need to use two very different dusting brushes.

Could it be a way of brainwashing owners then, having all these choices of dusting brush?



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