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| Post# 219415 2/16/2013 at 21:24 (4,085 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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Hey Guys . I was just wondering of what you guys think about the new line of Miele's. Does anyone own one or thinking about buying one? Cons ?? Pros. I just wanna see what you guys think. | ||
| Post# 219431 , Reply# 1 2/17/2013 at 01:20 (4,085 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, Connecticut) | ||
It's no better than the Capricorn | ||
| Post# 219438 , Reply# 2 2/17/2013 at 04:20 (4,085 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
Miele S8 Marin......
I have both. The S8 Marin has a slightly longer cord, maybe 4 ft, the quietest vacuum I own, the tool compartment is much improved (less flimsy), the cord rewind is improved (one touch)just hold onto the cord while it retracts, the bumper is much nicer on the S8 and is curved upward to be more ergonomic. (It does help when bending over to pick it up.) Switches much easier to push than the S5's and it guides better.
Tools have not changed, wish they were bigger. Hose needs to be longer and the wands are still heavy, however, I still have the dark wand that first came out that I still use, when I need to do above floor cleaning. Just my experience with the S8's. Bud Mattingly | ||
| Post# 219451 , Reply# 4 2/17/2013 at 09:16 (4,085 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
Nice to know that the S8 series has a slightly longer cord. Seems like a nice vac as a companion to a deep carpet cleaning upright. In which case you don't need the heavier electrified wands and bulky handle....you can get the suction only Calima version of the S8 in a nice canary yellow:
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| Post# 219456 , Reply# 5 2/17/2013 at 10:48 (4,084 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, Connecticut) | ||
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@ GM1982
I have to disagree with you George (GM1982).
Owning the Capricorn (not at all much different than the S8 UniQ top of the line). This thing is not big enough at all. The Capricorn and UniQ have the EXACT same "operating radius"...33 ft. (cord end to power nozzle end) (Miele wont even say what the cord length is). I don't like using extension cords with vacuums. Tools are tiny, exactly the same size as the Capricorns. Hose too short...same as Capricorns. They made a few cosmetic changes but nothing relevant that would be an improvement over the Capricorn. | ||
| Post# 219470 , Reply# 8 2/17/2013 at 11:33 (4,084 days old) by GM1982 () | ||
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cue003 which electronic hose is 7 feet? or model? It also amazing me how many people on here will bash a brand, just because it does not meet their cleaning requirements. If your home is so damn large and long cords or hoses are an issue, get a central vac! | ||
| Post# 219471 , Reply# 9 2/17/2013 at 11:42 (4,084 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
The hose on the S8 | ||
| Post# 219476 , Reply# 10 2/17/2013 at 12:00 (4,084 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, Connecticut) | ||
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@ GM1982
I don't own an extravagant house, just a Cape Cod style home.
Of course I'm going to bash what is supposed to be one of the best vacuums you can buy right now that can't do more or even the same as my Kenmore Progressive. It should offer MORE than a Kenmore Progressive canister but it falls short by a lot. In my finished attic, the Miele will not reach plugged in at one end of the room to the other side, while my Kenmore can. Hence a longer cord. I can't reach up and dust the bathroom vent while the canister is on the floor, with the Kenmore I can. Hence a longer hose. I brought all of these issue (and more) to Miele's attention but they obviously made the exact same canister with some more bells and whistles but with no real added features. I can see where some may have an issue with wight of the machine (if you need to carry it) but I don't have that issue. | ||
| Post# 219486 , Reply# 12 2/17/2013 at 13:03 (4,084 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Just to put everyone in the picture - 21.6 ft equates to 6.4metres. The UK models that Miele sell have the following cord length:
S2/S2111: 5.5 metres. S6/S6000: 6 metres. S5 & S8: 6.5 metres. Miele typically don't give cord lengths on their website. They have never had to, using the radius of a vacuum cleaner due to their bigger 1.8 metre length hoses AND their telescopic height adjustable tubing which is longer than a lot of rivals set at the highest height. However, SEBO usurp everything Miele produce in so far as able to supply the same cord length in their K series and 12 metres on their D series cylinder vacs. Hoses either measure 1.8 metres or 2.1 metres dependent on model. Bosch also fight their corner well with 9 or 12 metres of cable but its a pity most of their canister vacs aren't as well built as Miele or Sebo. Much as I would love a central vac in my home, I much prefer having a canister vacuum that has the option of using a longer cord built in or only half as much - handy for use for cleaning out the car as well as areas in the home where a hose and just the floor head or tools is more convenient than run the risk of an upright falling over. Id sooner have a Miele canister with a much longer cord than the alternative - the extender SFS10 flex hose attachment that adds 1.5 metres to the 1.8 default length. The extender is a good idea but it is too heavy and not much use when it constantly wants to revert back into its holding. | ||
| Post# 219498 , Reply# 13 2/17/2013 at 15:27 (4,084 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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I have The Capicorn but i dont use it much . The 236 power nozzel cleans, but well its kinda hard to push sometimes . I hate the short cord and hose. And the S7's are too hard to push. I went back to my Kirby G6. | ||
| Post# 220588 , Reply# 15 2/24/2013 at 07:12 (4,078 days old) by kirbyfan99 () | ||
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Forget the Miele, kenmore, and sebo d4, if you want long cord length, buy a commercial vacuum or get a kirby (if you don't want to pay $2000 for it, get a used kirby) and replace the 25 ft cord with a genuine kirby 50ft power cord. | ||
| Post# 220606 , Reply# 16 2/24/2013 at 10:05 (4,078 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
What is up ... | ||
| Post# 220608 , Reply# 17 2/24/2013 at 10:28 (4,077 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, Connecticut) | ||
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Yes NYCWriter...It's a deal breaker
Maybe I'm spoiled by all my past canisters having a cord that was ample enough to let me plug it in at one end of the room and have the length to reach the other side.
The way my finished attic is designed, the only easily accessible outlets are located at each end of the room. Furniture covers all the other outlets that run the length of the room. So it's just easier to use the exposed outlets at either end. I don't mean to sound like I'm whining but a longer cord makes my vacuuming a much better experience and make my life just a little easier and I don't think it's that much to ask of a vacuum manufacturer. | ||
| Post# 220609 , Reply# 18 2/24/2013 at 10:38 (4,077 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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We always had an extension cord hooked up to our old Eureka upright (Golden Cordaway Rugulator 2083). It gave Mom an extra 6 feet that actually allowed her to plug in only once to do our entire main floor of our small bungalow. Though it bugged me to have it destroy the aesthetics of Old Goldie when stored in the closet, it indeed helped Mom do her daily run through the house. She just hung the extra length of extension cord over the handle near the box top of the bag.
Would be interesting to know what were the lengths of the cord stored in 1960's cord reels. | ||
| Post# 220612 , Reply# 20 2/24/2013 at 11:08 (4,077 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, Connecticut) | ||
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Good Point...
George...you hit the nail on the head.
If Sebo can do it with a 40 ft cord (I don't know of any canisters that can match that length) and Riccar has a 28 ft cord (almost 30)... Then it's totally feasible that other manufactures can do the same. The short cord length is just a cost cuter to the manufacturer but it's a huge selling point to me and I would pay more for longer cord/hose length and larger tools. I'm sure there are lots of others that would pay more for those features also. It's not much to ask for. | ||
| Post# 220614 , Reply# 22 2/24/2013 at 11:11 (4,077 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
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Extension Cords Eureka used to make a 10 ft extension cord designed for the upright cleaners. I used it on all of my 2000 Series uprights. Not sure if they still make them or not. Now days it is important to get an extension cord that can carry the number of amps your vacuum has. I had one for my Miele that I bought off of Ebay.
PR-21 | ||
| Post# 220616 , Reply# 23 2/24/2013 at 11:17 (4,077 days old) by cue003 (S. FL, USA. ) | ||
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The cord length is also part of the design priority for some manufactors. Every design has a trade off for someone whether it be the designer, builder, or customer. Can't please everyone. If you could there would only be one vacuum company. No need for others. :) | ||
| Post# 220617 , Reply# 24 2/24/2013 at 11:19 (4,077 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, Connecticut) | ||
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Silly Extention Cords... | ||
| Post# 220619 , Reply# 25 2/24/2013 at 11:27 (4,077 days old) by cue003 (S. FL, USA. ) | ||
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@GeorgeCT, your point has some validity to it but not everyone needs a longer cord. Hence the reason the Riccar isn't as long as sebo etc. Anyways, which vacuum did you end up purchasing to augment or replace your Miele? | ||
| Post# 220621 , Reply# 27 2/24/2013 at 11:34 (4,077 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Some of our friends in Europe have mentioned a potential danger to running vacs with only part of the cord pulled out of the cord reel. Though I think this may be a quirk of 240volt vacuums with high wattages approaching 2000 watts, this may be the reason why European vac makers limit the length of cord stored on a cord reel. I am not an electrician, but I wonder if electrical safety and fire hazard factors put limits on the length of cord wound up on a cord reel. I know Sebo is German, and so I wonder if they have some sort of extravagant electrical protection system on the D4's cord reel.
On the other hand, there really is no excuse not to offer an 8 foot hose with all deluxe canisters. The standard height of a room in North America is 8 feet and so an 8 foot hose allows the user to dust the tops of wall units, and upper kitchen cabinets, and the tops of draperies, without having to carry the canister in one hand, or prop it on its backside. This should be the standard length for all suction-only canisters, at the very least. | ||
| Post# 220623 , Reply# 28 2/24/2013 at 11:45 (4,077 days old) by cue003 (S. FL, USA. ) | ||
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@eurikaprice, an 8 ft hose would be lovely on all the premium canisters. | ||
| Post# 220624 , Reply# 29 2/24/2013 at 11:45 (4,077 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, Connecticut) | ||
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@ cue003 | ||
| Post# 220630 , Reply# 30 2/24/2013 at 12:42 (4,077 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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And here is a recommendation from a Miele S5 User's Guide relating to pulling the entire length of cord out from the cord reel:
"Unwind the cord completely to aid the vacuum cleaner in dissipating heat." It seems to me that it is obviously possible to have a 30 foot cord wound on a canister's cord reel, but the vacuum needs to have some extra engineering done to allow the cord reel to perform properly, to allow the motor to dissipate heat properly and to prevent any dangerous electromagnetic "fall-out" from endangering the user if the vacuum is run with part of the cord still wound on the reel. | ||
| Post# 220660 , Reply# 32 2/24/2013 at 18:36 (4,077 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Long cords? Yes Please!
Well, its not as if SEBO are the master of vacuums with long cords - look at Kirby and Oreck -two uprights from two total different spectrums - Id hedge my bets and say both are convenient for long travel and reach, hence the reason to have long cords in the first place - and both are great for commercial cleaning, as are SEBO products originally.
In defence of SEBO canisters, the user manuals also carry the same suggestion of pulling out the entire cord. There is no auto fail safe or "extravagant componentry," but ALL of the canisters do have lesser heat coming off the motors as well as the simple fact that the exhaust diffuser isn't on top of the cord rewind wheel inside the vacuum unlike Miele and other brands who put the exhaust at the top. | ||
| Post# 220690 , Reply# 33 2/24/2013 at 21:59 (4,077 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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The issue here is not the length of cord on uprights that don't have a cord rewind. You can easily find a 39 foot cord on a Miele S7 upright, and a nice long 50 foot cord on a Sanitaire upright. Neither of these feature cord reels. :-)
The challenge seems to be to safely and smoothly wind up a long cord on a vacuum's cord reel, usually found in canisters. Personally, I feel it is imperative to have a top-side upward facing exhaust on a canister. Blowing the exhaust out of the sides or bottom of a canister kicks up dirt and dust on the floor before you have a chance to vacuum it up. The cord reel chamber should not serve double-duty as a heat diffuser or exhaust path. But there must be some reason why it is such a challenge to wind up 40 feet of electrical cord inside a canister. Maybe this is just a size issue - the cord reel would need to be wider and so it would make the canister bigger? :-) Somehow, Panasonic has been able to do this in their Kenmore canisters, even though the cord reel chamber also serves as an exhaust path. My mom's Kenmore Progressive has a generous 28 foot cord. | ||
| Post# 220704 , Reply# 34 2/25/2013 at 02:04 (4,077 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
If I may...
Firstly, Miele is one of only a handful of vacuum cleaner manufacturers that actually make their own cord rewinds.
Secondly, regardless of who makes the rewind, a longer cord will result in much greater force and stress to the cord, the rewind assembly and its mechanism. For Miele, a manufacturer that specifies a component lifespan of twenty years, they're not simply going to attach a 40' cord to a spool, increase the length of the spring and pray that it can withstand long-term use. As for the Sebo D4, it's easy to go to a third-party rewind manufacturer and tell them to make one of a 40' length. ...but how long into the future will it actually last? This post was last edited 02/25/2013 at 02:22 | ||
| Post# 220709 , Reply# 35 2/25/2013 at 06:16 (4,077 days old) by GM1982 () | ||
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piano god Very valid point, that's why I tend to prefer uprights, because of the longer cord. Short cords are common on canisters for the reason you mentioned. | ||
| Post# 220710 , Reply# 36 2/25/2013 at 06:52 (4,077 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Actually not very impressed with that post regarding Miele's so called claim of components lasting 20 years and the reason I'm not impressed is that Miele don't fit a 20 year guarantee on their components - oh yes they say that their machines are designed to last a long life time - but their floor heads haven't lasted that well in my hands/7 to 8 years at the most and the springs start to go on the pedals. Do Miele offer free replacement?
No, they suggest its a consumable/wear item that has to be replaced - yet the Video links and the hype suggests the floor heads are made to withstand longevity. Telescopic ratchets on metal tubes start to fail after five or so many years too. The only "wear" items that have lasted with me is the simple bent plastic handle and the cleaning tools! 20 year quality longevity components? Nah, sorry. As for stresses on cords, well a lot of brands like SEBO don't fit furiously fast rewinds to allow stress to happen. One reason alone to why the C series vacuums don't have as fast a pull system as the K series with its daft pull release mechanism. I can see SEBO'S theory in fitting a pull/pull system that eliminates a button that can break - I know from my own old Miele S571 that a new push button had to be replaced on the original machine and Miele charged me for that! When BOSCH can fit a 12 metre cable (39 to 40ft) onto the large canister (BSGL5000) vacuums, there's really nothing to stop Miele from doing the same. Miele do not make long cords because they don't want sales of other products in the range to suffer. Period. It has nothing to do with stresses or whatever else any one chooses to point out. Its a simple case of marketing. You only need to look at previous Miele canisters and weigh up the slight increments of metres that have increased over the years. | ||
| Post# 220713 , Reply# 37 2/25/2013 at 08:02 (4,077 days old) by GM1982 () | ||
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Sebo says it will last for years, yet it only offers a 5 year warranty. I think a lot has to do with how you maintain and care for the vacuum over time. | ||
| Post# 220715 , Reply# 38 2/25/2013 at 08:24 (4,077 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Thanks for that post, Scott.....very interesting conversation here with lots of valid points!
Wow...a 12 meter cable on a Bosch BSGL5000? Where can I get such a magical machine???!!!:-). Do they sell it in North America? Here's a thought: nix the cord rewind for a 40 foot cord! If people don't mind winding up a long 39 foot cord on a Miele S7 upright, then surely they could do it for a canister? Just need two sturdy metal rotatable hooks that fold down on the canister's body after unwrapping the cord. Or just provide a hidden compartment big enough to store the cord easily on hooks. No reel to break! Ever! :-) | ||
| Post# 220734 , Reply# 39 2/25/2013 at 11:11 (4,076 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 220815 , Reply# 40 2/25/2013 at 21:14 (4,076 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Yes - SEBO only offer 5 years on a warranty and that's standard - Miele offer a paltry 2 years in the UK as STANDARD; 1 year for the S2000 series. Unless of course you pay through the nose for a TOL machine and then have to spend an extra £30 for the 10 year guarantee - which doesn't cover the parts - just the basics.
How you treat a vacuum be it a canister or an upright is the same - yet for those moaning about long cords on a canister, I see total justification in having a long cord - it seems to have worked well for the commercial industry. I don't agree having a power nozzle on a canister - canisters are supposed to be lighter and more nimble than an upright as well as being able to get around - it only stands to reason to offer a long cord as standard. Keep the short cord for the mains hand held vacuums or stick vacuums. | ||
| Post# 222288 , Reply# 42 3/7/2013 at 06:18 (4,067 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Yes, tomamal - nice to see a relatively new member on here. I've just been to India. See my post - click the link.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 222724 , Reply# 44 3/9/2013 at 09:59 (4,065 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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I've said it before ... | ||
| Post# 222745 , Reply# 45 3/9/2013 at 11:37 (4,064 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I've said it before too
And I'll say it again, it's a matter of convenience and one of safety, not necessarily determined by the size of a property.
If cylinders/canisters are designed fit for purpose to be supposedly better at cleaning than uprights with short hoses, and less likely hood to cause injury since canisters rarely fall back, then it makes sense to EITHER offer a longer hose or longer cord. It makes sense, particularly for cleaning awkward and difficult to clean areas that you'd never dream of taking an upright vacuum cleaner to do. Case in point - my loft was recently re-insulated a day ago There are no power points up there since I live in a low roof property. The mess left afterwards though meant that a vacuum cleaner had to be used to suck up the left over fragments of fibreglass. In this respect the Sebo D2 was carried upstairs to the loft and it performed well - the longer 12 metre power cord stretched up from the hall way, up the ladder and literally the men could pull the machine all around the shape of the loft floor to get up the last of the excess mess. If I had given them my Miele canister, it would have had to sit precariously at the entrance of the lift against the ladder in the hope that it wouldn't fall over and it wouldn't be able to travel as much around the loft. I could use an extension cord on any of my vacuums with short cords - but I really don't see the point - a long cord is a good benefit to minimise tripping over extension cords as well as spending the time wrapping them up (surely to god if someone is out there reading this who is an inventor, it would make sense to offer an auto cord rewind extension cord?!) after use. Maybe the U.S have them - but the UK don't generally have long power cord reels with an auto cord rewind function. | ||
| Post# 223261 , Reply# 48 3/12/2013 at 08:24 (4,062 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Longer cords ...
"People that live in older houses appreciate the longer cords-older places had fewer outlets."
I've lived in older homes (some dating back to the 1700s). You only need ONE outlet per room for a vacuum. Unless the room is the size of the Waldorf Astoria ballroom with only ONE outlet on the far wall, there's no need for a super-long cord. | ||
Post# 223275 , Reply# 49 3/12/2013 at 11:03 (4,062 days old) by countryguy  (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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If all the outlets in a room are located/hidden behind furniture then a longer cord is much more convenient. In my living/dining room none of the outlets are easy to access consequently I use either the outlet in the hallway or the outlet on the stove when vacuuming. A longer cord is a necessity!
Gary | ||
| Post# 223301 , Reply# 50 3/12/2013 at 15:06 (4,061 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I think we'll just have to beg to differ on this one, Matt. I wish I could travel from one socket to get around my house but sadly that's never going to happen. However I can get up to two and half rooms with vacuums with long cords. The shorter ones need to be plugged in for each room. I don't live in a place the size of the Waldorf but the rooms are situated between a long L shaped corridor.
A long cord on a vacuum is handy to have rather than do without - in the same way that its handy to now have an upright vacuum with a brush roll on/off function; particularly if you are of the mind that you'd normally get a separate vacuum out to do hard floors. | ||
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