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Circa 2001 Hoover Purepower U3330
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Post# 217539   2/4/2013 at 14:41 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Here is my Hoover Purepower U3330 that I got off eBay not the Sunday just gone but the Sunday before. It was in excellent condition with just a few scuffs and a missing height knob.
I have replaced the Height Knob which I also found on eBay, since it was missing. The only other things that needed replacing were the filters, which have been replaced with genuine Hoover and the genuine bags which I am still waiting on their arrival!
The belt on it is new as the seller said it had been replaced recently, so that was one thing off the list!

The motor runs really good as I expected, not a notch out of tune! :) It is no louder nor quieter than a Turbopower 2 in high (if an autosense model).

I completely disassembled the whole thing (as I do with any new find) and wash all the major plastic components in the bath!

That is about it to say on it so without any further a due, here it is...


Post# 217541 , Reply# 1   2/4/2013 at 14:43 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Cleaner head...

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Edge to edge power cleaning hahahahah that made me laugh, this thing can't edge clean to save it's life. :P

Post# 217542 , Reply# 2   2/4/2013 at 14:44 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
HOOVER

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There is a grill at the bottom there which does not provide a purpose, it is simply just design detail.


Post# 217543 , Reply# 3   2/4/2013 at 14:45 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
The Hoover Cleaner...

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Post# 217544 , Reply# 4   2/4/2013 at 14:48 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
1300 watts wich is more than adequate, not like todays Purep

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Post# 217545 , Reply# 5   2/4/2013 at 14:50 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Royal appointment and bag full indicator

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Post# 217546 , Reply# 6   2/4/2013 at 14:50 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Hoover badge on the handle there

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Post# 217547 , Reply# 7   2/4/2013 at 14:52 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
A view from the right side

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Post# 217550 , Reply# 8   2/4/2013 at 14:54 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
A view from the back

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There is also an 8.5 meter cable on this unlike todays 6 meter cables on the latest purepowers, shows how much quality drops over the years. Oh and yes I measured it! Haha.

Post# 217551 , Reply# 9   2/4/2013 at 14:54 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
And a view from the left side

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Post# 217553 , Reply# 10   2/4/2013 at 14:56 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Here is what it loos like now after a nice bath! Looks brand

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Post# 217554 , Reply# 11   2/4/2013 at 15:00 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
When I first started cleaning it, I found this under the bag

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No wonder it took a bit of Perseverance to get the hose out the back of the cleaner.

Post# 217555 , Reply# 12   2/4/2013 at 15:00 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
That is what it is ment to look like!

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Post# 217556 , Reply# 13   2/4/2013 at 15:01 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
The tools

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Post# 217557 , Reply# 14   2/4/2013 at 15:02 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
The activator, standard on these early purepowers.

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Post# 217560 , Reply# 15   2/4/2013 at 15:03 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Hoover help line, forgot about this pic should of posted it

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Not sure if it is still valid?


Post# 217561 , Reply# 16   2/4/2013 at 15:04 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
These were the scuffs I was talking about.

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Post# 217562 , Reply# 17   2/4/2013 at 15:06 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
After I worked my magic.

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Picture is a bit duller than the rest for some reason.

Post# 217564 , Reply# 18   2/4/2013 at 15:14 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
dater sticker...

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Now that is a candy type sticker there, so doesn't use the usual Hoover dating system, my guess is that it is made in May 2001 as it says "0105" on there, but I could be wrong.
When I was cleaning the parts in the bath I noticed little time clock things on each plastic piece, the oldest piece was the bag door, dated 1996 the newest piece that was made was the "hose rack" dated 2001 so I could be right there, with that way I tried dating it.


Post# 217565 , Reply# 19   2/4/2013 at 15:17 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Ok, final picture now.

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Even though it is over 10 years old, here is what the motor housing looked like when I had taken off the cover prior to cleaning, not to bad is it, expected more dust than that! Not that I was complaining.


Post# 217567 , Reply# 20   2/4/2013 at 15:22 (4,070 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

It is unlikely that the hose rack would have been replaced, so if it says 2001 then I would suggest it is no older. 1996 would have been when the first batch of bag doors went into production, and one of the very first models was green (maybe even this shade of green). Yours does have the newer letting which is different from the original where PurePower was written in lower case. Regarding the mains lead, although the standard length was 8.5m for Purepowers, there was a basic yellow model -I think perhaps U3125- in all the same font as the original, which had no bag-full lamp and 6m lead. So Hoover had been selling watered-down versions very early on.

Post# 217574 , Reply# 21   2/4/2013 at 15:34 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Benny

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There you see the same green colour but a different model, 100 watts less power and like you said different lettering, this is (Argos 97) Thanks to Chris for this photo.


Post# 217578 , Reply# 22   2/4/2013 at 15:42 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Also Benny.

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Is this the yellow purepower you were talking about?
This one looks as if it was from the original line up, because of the old purepower lettering.

Thankyou to who ever this picture belongs too.


Post# 217579 , Reply# 23   2/4/2013 at 15:44 (4,070 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        
Alex

There appears to be quite a lot of lettering missing there! Not surprising as this was an entirely new range for 1997 and Argos used to prepare their books a good deal of months ahead. This is why so many pictures used to differ from the products supplied, as manufactures used to have to submit photographs well in advance, but by the time the goods were ready for sale, it was not uncommon for changes to have been made.

The U3125 I told you about was in the same yellow colour as the Turbopower2 on the top left. From my poor memory the models for general sale were U3120 in green, U3130in blue, and U3140 in red. The latter model there has high-level filtration (though not HEPA) and I think also was autosense. I cannot recall what the blue one did, but something is telling me it had autosense or variable power, and a permabag.


Post# 217580 , Reply# 24   2/4/2013 at 15:45 (4,070 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Yes that is the cleaner. It was not on general sale with the 1997 range and I think it may have been an exclusive line.

Post# 217585 , Reply# 25   2/4/2013 at 16:17 (4,070 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Those paint marks should come out with some car polish. I use autoglym super resin polish, failing that menzerna, failing that fine sandpaper and polish!

I remember seeing those new, sadly mum could not afford it. I used a red one at a holiday cottage years ago and after unblocking it it was great! About the same as a tp2, which isn't bad anyway.


Post# 217586 , Reply# 26   2/4/2013 at 16:17 (4,070 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I have to say that Purepower looks to be made to the same high standard as the Turbopower 2!

Good job on cleaning it up - I hope to see a video of it soon.

I do like the green colour, it is similar to the colour of my 1999 Turbopower 2 U2106, maybe even identical.


Post# 217588 , Reply# 27   2/4/2013 at 16:21 (4,070 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

The main body of the Purepower was as good as the Turbopower 2 & 3, but the chassis and roller was considerably poorer.

Post# 217590 , Reply# 28   2/4/2013 at 16:31 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
The chassis

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The chassis seams fine to me, it the handle release that is quite week, it has a very short holding pin on the handle release that can were down easily if the handle release is not pushed down far enough, that click you sometimes here when releasing a purepower handle that is when it is not depressed far enough, so it catches on the 3 possision looking piece that is part of the body of the machine.

With all that said the pedal is very easy to push down on this purepower, less to be said about my 2010 one!


Post# 217591 , Reply# 29   2/4/2013 at 16:33 (4,070 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Here is the line of purepowers from the U3330's time.

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With the beautiful bannana one on the end there...


Post# 217673 , Reply# 30   2/5/2013 at 02:15 (4,069 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I ad that same one, but it was autosense :) and the dark green plastic had glitter inside it

Post# 217704 , Reply# 31   2/5/2013 at 11:56 (4,069 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I am not aware there was a green autosense, I think if it was it would be a lighter shade than my one.

Post# 217706 , Reply# 32   2/5/2013 at 12:14 (4,069 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

there was a green autosense, can be seen here on the left:
also i have this purepower!


Post# 217708 , Reply# 33   2/5/2013 at 12:21 (4,069 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Here's my pure power, the height adjuster has fallen off

Post# 217712 , Reply# 34   2/5/2013 at 12:50 (4,069 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Both of those purepowers are standard ones...

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The one in the fist picture doesn't have autosense either, it just has a bag light.
A purepower with autosense looks like this


Post# 217714 , Reply# 35   2/5/2013 at 13:03 (4,069 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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There wasn't a green autosense. The only autosense models were from the first run of Purepowers - the blue U3140 and the red U3141. 


Post# 217718 , Reply# 36   2/5/2013 at 13:25 (4,069 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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As Chris said those two from the original line up were the only autosense purepowers I knew of, the later ones were just standard (like mine) or they had variable power.


Post# 217719 , Reply# 37   2/5/2013 at 13:36 (4,069 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Oh sorry I've got the wrong pure power picture!!!!!! Sorry ! Could of sworn I had seen a green auto sense somewhere ....

Post# 217734 , Reply# 38   2/5/2013 at 15:30 (4,069 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

When My Auntie got married in 2008, she got a house and it was the filthiest house in the world to me, the 2 vacuums were a goblin aztec in yellow and a hoover purepower green with autosense, I swear it was darker green than Alex's one and it had glitter in the plstic, just like a Dyson, it was dead, both vacs were so disgusting! unbelieveably, our family did the house up, even our vax 6140 had a hatrd time there, it broke, then we got a Dyson DC04 brand new, that is the second best vacuum we have in our family home. The house turned out so nice! like it wasnt even dirty before! anyways, My Aunty bought a vax ultrixx bagless cylinder v096 and it lasted 4 years, till she got an argos value range VC04, she hated that one so much, more than the vax, she gave it to me when she moved house, she used it in a housee 3 bedroomed, carpeted terraced household, 3 kids and loads of mess, the argos value range broke after 2 months appprox, she had to use it broken :( (hose messed up on the end and bin falls off) now the floor tool is messed up. she moved house and got a Henry, she loves it, she says the only bad thing about Henry is that its heavy, she would have liked a hetty though :) Vax, hoover, Golin, Goodbye! and PS when she was moving, I took my least best dyson, DC14 there and it got a half bin! so imagine what the DC04 lime would do! :D the Hoover Dust manager electricuted me when I tried to repair it in 2008, and the Goblin was to disgusting for me to clean and was all crapped up, quiet tho, quieter than an Eco Henry, but bear in mind when I tried it, the suction was less than a Dyson DC03 and less than a dirt devil handy zip and had a JAMMED PACKED FULL BAG! and it was even wet, the builders used it too.I should've took the purepower home and kept it in the loft for me today that I have the skills to repair it and show u

Post# 217746 , Reply# 39   2/5/2013 at 17:10 (4,069 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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right, ok, I didn't really understand more of that and most of it seemed pretty irrelevant anyway, but I assure you there was never a green autosense purepower. The Autosense feature was ditched after the first series of Purepowers in favour of standard variable power. 


Post# 217845 , Reply# 40   2/6/2013 at 06:33 (4,068 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Alex, the grille that you state serves no function is actually for the motor filter. You'll find its where most of the hot air floods out from.

Have to say Im more of a TP2 and 3 fan. I find Purepowers to be shoddily made, not as comfortable to steer despite the long fluted handle and the plastics aside from the cleaning tools are not as well made as Hoover's heavier line. Ive never liked the side hose release either, again the one at the back of the older TP2 and 3 are far more flush fitting and easier to remove. Still, you've done a great job of cleaning up there, Alex!


Post# 217891 , Reply# 41   2/6/2013 at 11:52 (4,068 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Thanks for the comment sebo_fan

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I am not quite sure what you are getting at with the grill at the front, there is no conection from the motor housing to that grill where air would escape. The only air I have experienced escaping on a purepower, is the air blowing out at the sides of the back exaust filter cover.

As for the build quality, compared to the Turbopower 2 it is pretty much the same, on this early ones of course!! It is just not a sturdy feeling design.

I do agree the hose looks better positioned at the rear, as on the Turbopower 2 but I have to disagree on the fact that the hose is easier to remove on the Turbopower 2, I find the hose is much easier to remove on the purepower because you can wrap your whole hand around it.

Obviously, or should I say in my opinion, the Turbopower 2 is much higher performing compared to the purepower, however the purepower is still a good vacuum.


Post# 217892 , Reply# 42   2/6/2013 at 11:54 (4,068 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Also, anyone who is interested, here is a video on it, I mad

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Post# 217896 , Reply# 43   2/6/2013 at 12:10 (4,068 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Thing is though, the Purepower did nothing that the Turbopower 2 didn't, so the whole reason for Hoover making it was not to create a better cleaner but just to have a more modern design.

Call me old fashioned but I'd have rather they modernised the Turbopower 2 rather than starting another model line.

In all fairness however the early Purepowers weren't that bad, it was only when Hoover thought it would be a good idea to make a bagless version that I started to lose faith in the company.


Post# 217899 , Reply# 44   2/6/2013 at 12:37 (4,068 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Well,

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The Purepower had a long stair hose, unlike the turbo 2, needless to say the turbo 3 had a stair hose, but like you said, the purepower had no reason to be on sale because there was nothing the Purepower did that the turbo 3 did not already do, except not clean carpets quite as well.:P
Times were changeing and if you looked at vacuums on sale in 97, everything was going more curved and not boxy, I believe they also needed somthing new to keep the sales up, and from then on, it appeard most vacuums since 97 that Hoover turned out were based around the Purepower, e.g vortex, "freedom" new styled type hurricane, they all use the same chassis.


Post# 217964 , Reply# 45   2/7/2013 at 03:58 (4,067 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Did the Purepower ever have a motor filter above the floor head? No? That's my point entirely. Too much hot air floods out of the Purepower and yep I know about the filter at the back (infact one Purepower I had owned for a very short time a couple of years ago just kept blowing the filter door off because of poor plastic nibs). Also when it comes to getting a PP under low furniture, the hose to the side is vulnerable whilst its location all the way at the bottom is hardly easier for older people to what went on before.

It is true that whilst the market had seen curvier designs, Hoover were still selling classic lines when the first Turbopower appeared and that design was certainly far more modern than a soft bag upright. I agree with Jamie here - a more modernised TP2 and 3 series would have been justified. Back then I adored Hoover products and the TP2 was one of my favourites. Yes it was heavy but it was also fairly effective and very easy to use the controls with far more accessible features.

I never understood why Hoover eventually put a blanking plate over the LED bag indicator either on later Purepower uprights. Evidently it was a matter of cost but the original design allowed for an LED indicator and it would have made more sense to keep that added to the PP's original design.





Post# 217965 , Reply# 46   2/7/2013 at 06:14 (4,067 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"I agree with Jamie here" I had to double take there! Ha ha.

Another point to make is that whilst it it easy to assume Hoover replaced the Turbopower 2&3 with the Purepower to upgrade the design to give it more curves, manufacturers like Sebo (and Panasonic to an extent) were still making "square" vacuums and they were selling well.

Hell, even now in 2013 Sebo still sells their vacuums with the same shape as the TP2. That being, why couldn't Hoover have continued with the TP2? As Sebo showed, selling a product was not all about modern design - to go even more extreme, look at the Kirby, they haven't changed dramatically since the 60s but they still sell!!

To create a new more modern looking model was just a cop out for Hoover if you ask me - an easy way to make some money rather than persevering with the TP2&3, perhaps with some upgrades such as HEPA and even automatic electronic height adjustment to fill the gimmick market that the Autosense did in the early 90s.

Problem is, even whilst looking through my rose tinted spectacles it is impossible to think the TP2 could still be a good vacuum if it had continued until today, as the build quality would be so low now that it would be no better than the Purepower.

It is such a shame Hoover let themselves get drawn in by two things; modernisation and bagless technology. Two completely redundant things if you ask me.

Don't forget - Hoover INVENTED the bagged vacuum cleaner, so why give up on it just because of Dyson? Miele have never made a bagless machine and they still sell their vacuum cleaners for insanely high prices with happy customers.

Truth be told though, Hoover was already attempting to phase out the bag even before Dyson came along when they developed the horrid Permabag for the TP and TM Freedoms then later the Permabag 2 for the Turbopower 2 and 1000.

If I were on the design department at Hoover (that's a scary thought for some of you I'm sure) I would not have let their once good name (like when "HOOVER, WHO BETTER!?" was actually true) go down the proverbial pan.

The best we can hope for now is the Purepower to be discontinued and something else to take its place with a lesser wattage motor (no chance), a more classic design (no chance), a half decent brush roll (no chance) and good build quality (no chance)... So basically, there's no hope.

Hoover was indicating to turn down that one way road to disaster in the early 90s and made the turn into it when the Purepower was released in 1997 and they've been gradually driving further and further down it since.

It is a great shame that a brand who made such brilliant (and so ahead of their time) cleaners from the 20s through the 80s got sucked (pardon the pun) into the world of cheapness and gimmicks.

Right, I'm off to go and slit my wrists.

Good day.



Post# 217974 , Reply# 47   2/7/2013 at 06:40 (4,067 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Jamie, you have to remember that Candy took over Hoover in 1995 and from there onwards, the quality slowly started to decrease. The later T2's weren't a patch on the earlier models (especially the last range) and the purepower was no where near of the quality that a cleaner in that price range should be. It was all about cost cutting. The Purepower would've been cheaper to make and as it was new, could be sold at a higher price. KA-CHING. Same applied with Hoover washing machines after 95 - all went down hill. The machines made around the same time as the Purepower (Performa-era machines) were acceptable, the Six range were just ok and after that, it all went t!ts up, just like with the vacuums. Why? Because Candy like things to be made CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP and sold for LOTS LOTS LOTS.

Post# 217976 , Reply# 48   2/7/2013 at 06:43 (4,067 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"Why? Because Candy like things to be made CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP and sold for LOTS LOTS LOTS." I couldn't have said it better myself.

Post# 217979 , Reply# 49   2/7/2013 at 07:11 (4,067 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
I think Hoover/Candy were doing perfectly fine....

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Until they moved production to china in about 2002...since then, they were never the same!!


Post# 218001 , Reply# 50   2/7/2013 at 10:46 (4,067 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Personally, I always thought the TP2 design was boxy and very dated for 1992. Great, robust design, and a cleaner I liked as I like straight lines, but never the less it was dated when stood next to the curves of the Electrolux Glider and Airstream, and positively antique when compared to the new Dyson upright on sale at the same time.

The saving grace would have been in the form of Panasonic, Hitachi, and Philips, who were all making boxy-looking cleaners too. But Panasonic soon changed to curves as well. As for the Purepower, I thought it looked anorexic. It's a wonder too why Hoover didn't make a basic version of it to replace the Turbopower2 whilst they were at it. I can only assume there was a glut of Turbopower parts which Hoover initially needed to use up. That would at least explain why they changed the motors around 1999. Quite why the TP2 carried on so long after the Purepower, I just don't understand. I can't even tell you when it was finally discontinued as they seemed to be on sale for all eternity.


Post# 218002 , Reply# 51   2/7/2013 at 10:55 (4,067 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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My theory as to why the TP2 continued to be on sale for years after the Purepower's introduction was as a back-up for Hoover so if the sales of the PP started to fall, the TP2 would still be there as it always did sell well up to the end.

Once the PP became a popular machine with little chance of dropping sales the TP2 was axed.

Just my theory mind, it could be wrong.


Post# 218005 , Reply# 52   2/7/2013 at 11:06 (4,067 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well if you are right, they gave the PP 6 years to prove itself. Long time if you ask me.

Post# 218006 , Reply# 53   2/7/2013 at 11:18 (4,067 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Or perhaps they were just greedy and laboured the TP2's discontinuation as profits were increased from the joint sales of the TP2 and PP?

Post# 218017 , Reply# 54   2/7/2013 at 12:56 (4,067 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
My view is

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The Turbopower 2 just kept on selling...and selling...and selling just like the Turbopower ones did, if a consumer likes something and is going to keep buying it, the company will continue to make it.


Post# 218020 , Reply# 55   2/7/2013 at 13:38 (4,067 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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"If a consumer likes something and is going to keep buying it, the company will continue to make it.."

Um not quite. Buyers adored the Junior and Senior uprights but they were phased out. Even the carpet washer upright from the U.S found a lot of favour in the UK and Hoover went and stopped it. Hoover couldn't care less about products that the customers want anymore. Its all about sales, sales and more sales. If Hoover were that determined to make products FOR the buyer, they had stopped passing off the same machines they make under the Candy label in their large appliances and design and produce something themselves. Seriously, if you are owned by a company who have money, one would have thought that remaining true to core design would be retained.

As for the Purepower, well it wasn't the longest standing model all alone to constantly be re-churned - the Telios cylinder vacuum went on for about 20 odd years before Hoover finally released the Sensory range to replace it, NOT the Discovery range which was something entirely different. I adored the bagged Telios vacs and its general design. I was quite miffed with the Telios when it went bagless - it was the worst thing Hoover could have done IMHO. The original bagged Telios was like a cheap Miele cylinder copy - and it was very powerful, very light and very easy to use.

Hoover aren't alone in trying to make sales and stopping production of good enough machines - Kenwood are constantly updating the Chef mixer and then adding on inflated prices. They have also replaced the metal bodies with plastic mix and metal to all plastic and with some buyers moaning about build quality for the price they've paid. The older blockier style metal bodied machines on EBAY UK go like hot cakes at any time they are listed.




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Post# 218035 , Reply# 56   2/7/2013 at 15:40 (4,067 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Ryan, the Telios didn't go on for THAT long - 10 years, tops. It's not in any of the 97 or 98 brochures as the Alpina and Aria cleaners were still on sale - the Telios, I'm sure, came a bit later on. 


Post# 218042 , Reply# 57   2/7/2013 at 16:40 (4,067 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Ah but im not just referring to the UK - the Telios has been a big seller in Poland, Ukraine and even Germany. Check Hoover UA - the Telios cyclonics are still on the site. (If you open the link on Google chrome server, you can translate to English.)

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Post# 218410 , Reply# 58   2/10/2013 at 04:54 (4,064 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Hoover still make the Telios Bagged cleaner - its in Argos, link below.

The Purepower is still sold in Argos, but I note that they have reduced the power to 2000W for the latest blue model - hard to believe that they have been going with this design for 16 years now: 1997-2013, and it started out at 1200W, gradually creeping up to the 2000W mark - hence the problems with overheating. There is just no need for this much power in a bagged upright, and I think its really time the Purepower was retired and something new came out to replace it.


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Post# 218412 , Reply# 59   2/10/2013 at 05:09 (4,064 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
I agree

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Although they are doing well to keep the purepower looking modern. Like you said it should be discontinued because it is getting old, with that said, the Turbopower 1 went for 18 years, 1983-2001 but I guss that still looked relatively modern even in 2001 as boxy vacuums were still produced in 2001 by other brands.


Post# 218414 , Reply# 60   2/10/2013 at 05:24 (4,064 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        
wattage

There is a need for the high wattage though; it's what consumers of these types of budget cleaner are demanding, and as has been suggested before, it is cheaper to make a cheap, poor quality high-wattage motor than it is to make one which is lower in wattage and works much more efficiently.

As for retiring it, I agree it is an old design now, but we are in different times. As such, the cost of designing a whole new machine to sell at a budget price would probably not be worth it for Hoover. We've long past the point where designs needed to keep being added so as to encourage people to buy new, and I think this is where Dyson are taking the lead. Other manufacturers are now left to peddle whatever bits & pieces they can sell as cheaply as possible. I can't see masses of new designs for time to come.

I suppose this is where vacuum cleaners differ from other appliances. It's far easier to update a washing machine for instance as its just a case of designing a new panel and a door, unlike on a cleaner which generally calls for a total overhaul.


Post# 218418 , Reply# 61   2/10/2013 at 05:56 (4,064 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

But the TP2 was only 800W and its more than sufficient for what it needs, I have one and its good to use and efficient. I bought the new Turbopower 2012 model - the bagless multi-cyclonic, and its a good deal harder to push that around than the old TP2, due to the TP4 being 1600W. People should remember, that all that power is useless if the cleaner gets blocked or is used with a clogged bag, and there is a much higher risk of motor burnout with the higher wattages used now - due to them needing much better airflow for cooling purposes.
The Hoover "the one" was the worst culprit for being hyper sensitive to airflow reduction - due to its poor filtration design and overpowered motor.
I cant see how much better the 2000W Purepower would be over the 1200W one - after all, once the pores of the bag get clogged, power is irrelevant, and too much suction can make the vac very hard to push around.


Post# 218419 , Reply# 62   2/10/2013 at 06:12 (4,064 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

No, sorry, you are missing my point. The motors in the TP2 were such that they generated lots of suction from a relatively low wattage, because they were well designed. Motors in cleaners much later in life have not been well designed and so the higher wattage does in part make up for that.

Post# 218627 , Reply# 63   2/11/2013 at 06:03 (4,063 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Telios and Telios Plus are not the same

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Steve - the original Telios is not being sold at Argos. A pity I know. I'd have bought one if that was the case. I played about with the new ones at Currys recently and found them to be okay in their design but they're made of poorer quality plastic than even the older, heavier and slightly bigger bodied Telios. They are in no way the same even if they use the same kind of dust bag.

Sadly for me, the new TeliosPlus models also have too high power AND high noise. I already drew the line with my SEBO D2 for having 2100 watts (Miele have 2000 to 2200 watts with the exception of the Ecoline models) and now Hoover are producing the TeliosPlus with 2200 or 2300 watts which is far too much in my book. If Hoover bring out a Green Ray version of the TeliosPlus, I think that would be good.

I have to agree with VR- the market has now changed. However, it doesn't mean you have to follow the herd and Hoover's current Turbo Power range (which isn't their own design anyway) is hardly burning up electricity usage with only 1600 watts of power compared to the older Dustmanager range pumping out more power. As you know the Turbo Power also uses a different filter design compared to the DM uprights, so the airflow should be better, regardless of low power.

Sadly I doubt Hoover will replace the Purepower bagged uprights. They've already whittled down the range to two models or three models a year and clearly the company want to make a fast buck with bagless cyclonic uprights and cylinders - again apparently something the UK buyer is demanding for - and hence why supermarkets such as Tesco and others are churning out Chinese built offerings for a fraction of the price, regardless of filter design.





Post# 219809 , Reply# 64   2/19/2013 at 17:24 (4,055 days old) by hoovermad ()        
Purepower

That's the Purepower model i own,The old girl has served me well over the last 13 years,

But it's starting to sound a bit tired and it's not performing like it used to..So as of next week it's going into retirement,

I'm going to hang on to it for a while as a back up,i can always use it while i wash and dry the filters on the new machine,

Neil


Post# 219944 , Reply# 65   2/20/2013 at 13:54 (4,054 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
I am not insulting your intelligence, but...

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Have you changed the belt, replaced/washed filters and replaced bags? also check for blockages I know it seams quite obvious to collectors but thought I would ask.
If you have tried all of the above, maybe the motor is starting or has failed.


Post# 219988 , Reply# 66   2/20/2013 at 17:00 (4,054 days old) by hoovermad ()        

i have looked after it,i change the bags when the indicator comes on,the brush roller is working and i wash the filters every so often,i just think that the motor might be a bit tired,

the pedal broke on it a few years back,but i was told it could be a bit of a fiddly job to repair by a couple of the members on here,it's a tad annoying when it keeps falling over,the pedal always seemed quite flimsy for quite a heavy machine.

once my new cleaner arrives i might take a closer look and see if i can strip it and clean in out and put some new filters in,i've not really thought that far ahead as what to do with it,i'm just looking forward to using my new cleaner

Neil


Post# 219989 , Reply# 67   2/20/2013 at 17:09 (4,054 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
yh...

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The Purepower handle release was always weak the one on the Turbopower 1,2,3 were great just the purepowers was flimsy, I dread to think how a Purepower handle release would cope on a Turbopower 2 as they are much chunkier and considerably heavier.
I have never tried replacing one but if you do you will either need to replace the pedal it's self and/or the whole chassis.
what is your new cleaner to be arriving soon?


Post# 219999 , Reply# 68   2/20/2013 at 18:32 (4,054 days old) by hoovermad ()        

My new cleaner is a Dyson DC24,my friend is selling hers as she has hardly used it,it was too small for her as she lives in a large house,but it's the perfect size for my little apartment
I've always wanted a Dyson Ball and i know a few who own one and love them,My sister loves hers,

I've always loved Hoover,before the Purepower my Mum had a Turbomaster for 10 years, My Gran had a Junior and a Turbopower Junior,Electricity board model (one for upstairs one for downstairs) and My other Gran had a Turbopower,and finally my Uncle had the Turbopower 2,
My mum still stuck with the Hoover brand when she gave me the Purepower as it was too heavy for her,she's now got the smart model,she likes it as it's nice and light and bagless,i've used it when i've been to her house and i'm not too keen on the hose,it's not stretchy at all so i had to carry it with me while doing the stairs,they don't make them like they used to lol

Neil



Post# 220058 , Reply# 69   2/21/2013 at 03:30 (4,053 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

The dyson dc24 is a good choice, also I have a hoover hurricane that's the same as that hoover smart, and it has a stretch hose so you don't have to carry it everywhere.

Post# 220060 , Reply# 70   2/21/2013 at 05:56 (4,053 days old) by hoovermad ()        

i don't have any stairs in my apartment,so i only need to use the attachment when i'm on the prowl for cobwebs

my mum always uses a damp cloth the clean her stairs,she thinks it does a better job and less messing than taking the hoover up the steps with her

Ps,it might sound like a daft question but can you use the Zorb powder in a DC24? i'm giving my carpets a shampoo today and was planning on keeping on top of them by using Zorb,i would assume it's designed for all Dyson models but i'd rather ask incase any of you guys have had any issues using it,as i tried the Vanish Powder once and it clogged my filters on the purepower,it was a nightmare!! lol

Neil


Post# 220086 , Reply# 71   2/21/2013 at 10:07 (4,053 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Yes you can use zorb, but it doesn't do much, and you may have to go over the carpet a few times to get it all up.

Post# 220128 , Reply# 72   2/21/2013 at 12:35 (4,053 days old) by hoovermad ()        

thanks for the tip,i might just stick to cleaning the carpets with a spray applicator and a brush,it really brings them up nice,
My carpets are now nice and clean and ready for the new arrival :)


Post# 220152 , Reply# 73   2/21/2013 at 15:51 (4,053 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
You had to carry it up the stairs as you vacuumed them becau

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I believe the technical name for that is a "staircase balancing act" lol!


Post# 220350 , Reply# 74   2/22/2013 at 18:14 (4,052 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I use Sebo Duo P powder.

Post# 220357 , Reply# 75   2/22/2013 at 18:29 (4,052 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
i never fount it to work

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I found the dry foam system to be much better if extraction is not in the picture.
I love using the kirby shampooer and it really leaves the carpet looking fresh and groomed, and it apears to work.
I never found duop to work well at all.


Post# 220418 , Reply# 76   2/23/2013 at 07:57 (4,051 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Depends on how you use it - the brush applicator is good for on the spot jobs. SEBO now sell the U.S Rug Renovator brush in the UK under the name of SEBO Daisy. I battled for years with SEBO UK to get that manual broom in and it works with other dry carpet powders - Just requires an abrasive broom to work the powder in, or manually rub the stain with the back of your hand before vacuuming it up.

Post# 220641 , Reply# 77   2/24/2013 at 15:08 (4,050 days old) by hoovermad ()        

i had never heard of the sebo brand til until i joined this forum,most of the powders are probably good for keeping a carpet looking nice and bright,but i wouldn't expect miracles on a heavily stained carpet

Post# 220647 , Reply# 78   2/24/2013 at 17:00 (4,050 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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My Mum had all the carpets in her house professionally cleaned when she moved in. They're all cream and were covered in grubby scuff marks and stains. Once the cleaners had been in, the Duo-P is a fantastic way of keeping it looking it's best. If you use it every few months and make sure you clean any stains up as soon as possible, it works brilliantly. But to use it on a carpet that is already heavily stained isn't the best idea. 

 

Neil, you should try a Sebo if you ever get chance. I've got half my family on them now. They really are fantastic cleaners with lots of great features. They were also pioneers in the late 70's and early 80's for being the first upright vacuum cleaner ever to feature a clutch control and an integrated hose. Now, of course, the latter is standard on an upright these days, but Sebo were the first to do it


Post# 220650 , Reply# 79   2/24/2013 at 17:14 (4,050 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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@dysondestilj...where did you get this pic from??


Post# 220657 , Reply# 80   2/24/2013 at 18:23 (4,050 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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IME a heavily stained carpet needs a proper wash - rent a Rug Doctor and cut your time in half. Most of them now come with hoses on them too for upholstery and corners.

Post# 220731 , Reply# 81   2/25/2013 at 11:03 (4,049 days old) by hoovermad ()        

i've just got a new vacuum,well,should arrive this week,so i won't be purchasing anything else for a while

i think i may have used a similar machine when i worked in the hotel,but they had a Johnson Diversey label on them,One of you guys might know which vacs i mean,They didn't last very long,Some of the staff used to really batter them about,the amount i had to unclog because there was no bag full indicator on them,wouldn't you think common sense would tell you to check the bag at the end of a shift after vacuuming 15 bedrooms!!


Post# 220732 , Reply# 82   2/25/2013 at 11:09 (4,049 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

@turbo500, its my bedroom.
not really its an old pic of loads of vacs in a shop in scotland. they all got thrown away though:(
thanks to James for sending it me:)


Post# 220742 , Reply# 83   2/25/2013 at 12:21 (4,049 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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"all got thrown away though:("

 

 


Post# 220818 , Reply# 84   2/25/2013 at 21:19 (4,049 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Lordy I wouldn't wish that on anyone if it was someone's bedroom - it looks like a garage that desperately needs a good clean - look at the door at the back - and if there's rust there, who knows what those poor vacuums would be like, condition wise.

Post# 220879 , Reply# 85   2/26/2013 at 11:41 (4,048 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Yes well the shop was only used for storage as the guy had another shop next door that he actually used as a shop, but yeah the vacs were all piled up and god knows what vacuums would have been under it all! I would post more pics but I need to ask James first.

Post# 220883 , Reply# 86   2/26/2013 at 12:05 (4,048 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
Yep.

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The guy sold his big shop which he used for storage just before Christmas.
My friend isn't happy with the owner as he said he could have a few rear vacs before they went and he'd put them aside for him....but they ALL got binned:o(

I enjoyed going through some of those vacs a few years back when I was on my hols.
I could of spent all day there but my ex wasn't up for that:o(

James:o)


Post# 220894 , Reply# 87   2/26/2013 at 14:11 (4,048 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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They look like there was an upstairs where they were all kept neat and then the roof fell through, resulting in them looking like they have been chucked in there, I mean, why would you keep them like that? They could be damaged by piling them ontop of each other!


Post# 252007 , Reply# 88   10/4/2013 at 12:06 (3,828 days old) by RootCyclone (East Midlands,UK.)        

My reaction to the early Purepowers: I want one!!! :D

Post# 252012 , Reply# 89   10/4/2013 at 12:53 (3,828 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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My reaction to the early Purepowers: I've got one!!! :P

Post# 252018 , Reply# 90   10/4/2013 at 13:33 (3,828 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

WOW! Your collection is growing Joe :D Well done XD

Post# 252081 , Reply# 91   10/5/2013 at 03:06 (3,827 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Thanks Tayyab, I have 18 vacuums now lol.

Post# 252102 , Reply# 92   10/5/2013 at 09:38 (3,827 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

Yes joes PurePower is the one that I put a photo of on earlier in this thread. As you may have guessed, it used to be mine!

Post# 252110 , Reply# 93   10/5/2013 at 11:48 (3,827 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

WOW JOE!!!!!!!
George: Your generous :D bless



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