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Made in the USA, does it matter? What is truly built to last?
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Post# 216408   1/28/2013 at 08:45 (1,967 days old) by GM1982 (Garrett Park, MD )        

Being one of the most used and abused appliances in the household, Today one sees Dirt Devil, Hoover, Bissell, Shark, etc. Made in Chinas, line the shelves of stores and many people buy them, lasting a short time before they break and you see them curbside.

So what vacuum brand has been truly built to last for the end user? Does built in America, really hold up better? Share your thoughts.....

Post# 216409 , Reply# 1   1/28/2013 at 08:51 (1,967 days old) by utahprideBoy (Southern Utah)        
yes american dose mater

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I love Aerus but i still think a Kirby is one of the best and longest lasting Vacuums out there! i feel there still built to last 30 or more years with proper maintenance! there still made with metal parts and american quality
this is My Thoughts!

Post# 216411 , Reply# 2   1/28/2013 at 09:10 (1,967 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Post# 216414 , Reply# 3   1/28/2013 at 09:24 (1,967 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        

Frankly i think keeping the design simple really effects longevity. It seems like a lot of newer machines that have circuit boards develop issues in them, and when you look back vacuums rarely had circuit boards and without them to go wrong and a good solid motor they would run for years on end.
As for which vacuums hold up well i would say Kirby does Sebo does i could see silver king and patriot lasting a while as well.

Now does american made matter? It more matters that the company tries to make a long lasting vacuum, though typically the ones made in american are pretty high quality

Post# 216419 , Reply# 4   1/28/2013 at 10:36 (1,967 days old) by caligula (Benton, Pa)        
Made in America, Kirby!

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In the front talk of the Kirby demo, we used to stress that the Kirby was a division of the Scott & Fetzer company which had it's main factory in Cleveland, Ohio, and a die casting plant in Andrews Texas. Also on the packing box were the words 'Made in Cleveland, Ohio.' And in later years, 'Made in America!'

To learn more about the 'front talk' go to the thread 'Do you work or own a vacuum shop' in off toppic, where I've been telling about my years as a Kirby training manager.

Post# 216428 , Reply# 5   1/28/2013 at 11:31 (1,967 days old) by kirbyvacuum (Long Island New York)        
Kirby all the way

Hi All My fanily has a Kirby 1935 that still works Also a 1949 still working fine. With care Kirby will last at least 30 years. My best friends dad sold Kirbys for years he would always say during a demo If you take care of your Kirby it will take care of you so true Doug

Post# 216447 , Reply# 6   1/28/2013 at 14:39 (1,967 days old) by caligula (Benton, Pa)        
Hi kirbyvacuum.

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Take a look at thread 19312 in off topic. As the question is 'What's it like to own/work in a vacuum cleaner store?' I've been posting a lot of my memories as a training manager for Kirby.

The 1939 Kirby you speak of is the model 2-C, and was basically the design used up to the Kirby Classic when the rug nozzle was enlarged.

I've always liked Kirby's and aside from my love of Electrolux for style, design and a fantastic bag ejecting system, it's Kirby all the way!

Aside from Electrolux, Kirby is the only other brand I have the history of, though others are in various stages of completion. If you want to talk Kirby, send me an email. My history of Jim Kirby goes back to his childhood.

Alex Taber.

Post# 216449 , Reply# 7   1/28/2013 at 14:47 (1,967 days old) by luxman107 (USA )        

I go out of may way all the time to buy made in America or more specifically wont buy made in china products.

Post# 216450 , Reply# 8   1/28/2013 at 14:47 (1,967 days old) by caligula (Benton, Pa)        
The Kirby display

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at the Vacuum Cleaner Collector's Club museum, Naperville, Illinois.

Post# 216452 , Reply# 9   1/28/2013 at 15:02 (1,967 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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I have 14 different Kirby models and here are 12.


I'm in a 50/50 quandary over Kirbys. On the one hand they are extremely well made all polished metal vacuums with a myriad of options when i comes to accessories. In the other hand...they are heavy and cumbersome particularly in a small house, condo or apartment.


If I had a very large house with generous room proportions and acres of carpet, the Kirby would be ideal, power-drive or not.


The cumbersome aspect is the likely reason most of my Kirbys have been tossed-to-the-curb finds, with the others gifts from Petek, who finds them cheap at ReStores and such.


Once the contemporary  housewife inherits Gramma's Kirby they find out for themselves what a complicated boat anchor it is and out to the curb it goes.


I rarely use them; they are display sculpture of the first order. The models prior to the Blue are much more like other uprights of the day and are a relatively lightweight pleasure to pilot. From Blue (or whichever had the first wide nozzle) on they are Man-scaled Vacuums and good for forearm muscle development.


We must, we must, build up the bust!.





Post# 216453 , Reply# 10   1/28/2013 at 15:04 (1,967 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

Of the US built cleaners which have been sold in the UK, only the Kirby and the 1970's Hoover cleaners have been of a quality to match those on sale at that time in the UK.

The rest have always been of as poorer build and finish, overall, whether the cleaners on sale alongside it were built in the UK or elsewhere.

I did wonder if it was only the models sent here from the US which lacked a bit of quality, but having seen many pictures on this forum, the design of many is such that it looks a lot like the US cleaners on this side of the pond.

Post# 216455 , Reply# 11   1/28/2013 at 15:09 (1,967 days old) by GM1982 (Garrett Park, MD )        
Lot of Kirby thumbs up....

Interesting, so is a Kirby also good for hardwood floors? Is it able to get underneath beds (Attachments are separate I see)

Post# 216463 , Reply# 12   1/28/2013 at 15:22 (1,967 days old) by ctsooner ()        

That's why I went canister and Sebo. No Chinese made parts and a solid machine that can get anywhere in my house I need it to. I got my ex to get the Kirby last year though and she loves it. She had all carpet and I'm half wood, half carpet. Canister made MUCH more sense for me and the Kirby made sense for her. I will possibly borrow her's for carpet cleaning though, lol.

Post# 216496 , Reply# 13   1/28/2013 at 17:28 (1,967 days old) by caligula (Benton, Pa)        
Great display Dave!

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The six from the right are models I have (in storage). I also have a G-4 and several earlier models.

While I agree, for the smaller house, apartment, mobile home, etc. the Kirby IS huge, I also agree that it can be a monster! Heavy, hard to push, and a beast to lift (if not done right), but the earlier models work great. I live in a house with hardwood floors and large area rugs my daily driver is my Electrolux LX (duh!) and a Kirby 517 to deep clean the rugs.

I guess it comes down to what works best. I know a friend who's not into vacuum cleaners, and loves his Kirby Classic Omega, (got it from his mother) but uses it in tank/canister mode with the long handle and heavy rug nozzle still in the box.

Post# 216513 , Reply# 14   1/28/2013 at 20:17 (1,967 days old) by RainbowD4C (Saint Joseph, Michigan )        
In my own opinion...

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Any vacuum is going to last a while. It's all a matter of upkeep and how well you treat your vacuum. Yes some maybe built better than others but even a cheep Bissell will give you a few years of good service.

For myself I say Rainbow and will always say Rainbow. When I got mine it had only maybe been used once which was to see how well it worked. It happen to be stashed away in a corner in a basement and was found when the salesmen was heading into his retirement. He filled it up turned it on and it worked. I bought it and that was back in 1997. I've had it ever since. I have forgot how many moves that vacuum has gone on how many times I took it over to friends helping them clean and having two vacuums instead of one but all the same it just keeps going and going and going. And it's made in my home state of Michigan.

Post# 216566 , Reply# 15   1/29/2013 at 01:00 (1,967 days old) by caligula (Benton, Pa)        
Right RainbowD4C.

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I forgot about that, Rainbow is made in Troy, Michigan. Started out as Rexair. I have the first two models the B which I think was black, and the C, which I recall is Hammeertone Gray. Going on memory as they are in storage.

I've got a few friends in Fenton, Michigan, and spent a year there in the early 1970's.

Here a look at my last display room, and some of my classic canisters.

Post# 216567 , Reply# 16   1/29/2013 at 01:07 (1,967 days old) by caligula (Benton, Pa)        
Another picture of

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the display. I needed on an angle to get the wall of attachmnts in.

Post# 216578 , Reply# 17   1/29/2013 at 05:36 (1,967 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Made in USA. Does It matter?

I think you are corrrect about Rexair-Rainbow. My machine is about 2 years old and EVERY part is stamped "MADE IN USA" the machine itself is stamped "Made in Troy Michigan,USA". I checked out the instruction book and it says "printed in USA".

You would not think they would be a long lived product but mine have proved to be very durable and trouble free. We owned one in our store years ago and it took a LOT of abuse in the commercial setting and still was working when we sold the store. My old Se has had 18 years of use and still no repairs and now the new machine is proving to be trouble free too.

Post# 216581 , Reply# 18   1/29/2013 at 06:16 (1,967 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
@ Dave

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A bigger size will be the prize
for all that bl**dy exercise

*ducking and running from a flying Kirby* :)

Post# 216582 , Reply# 19   1/29/2013 at 06:21 (1,967 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
@ Alex

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Thanks for more great pictures. Thanks to VL I can recognise quite a few of those models, including the "drag around tradgey" GE. Could you kindly tell us a bit more about the Remington and the Filtex(?) on the bottom shelf?

Many thanks


Post# 216591 , Reply# 20   1/29/2013 at 08:50 (1,966 days old) by classicfan1 (Ohio, USA)        
Check this out...

In the off-topic area, I have a "crappy" Dirt Devil Swivel Glide that is 13 years old and still running! It was made in the USA before Royal outsourced. YES MAde in USA does matter!

Keep our fellow Americans employed, pay that extra dollar, BUY AMERICAN. Most people that say they want to buy American-made products are all talk and no walk. They won't put their money where their mouth is. I'm one of the few that does what they say they will do. If I see an American-made alternative to a product, I pay up for it!

The chinese may get our government's money, but they WON'T get MINE.

Post# 216595 , Reply# 21   1/29/2013 at 09:20 (1,966 days old) by GM1982 (Garrett Park, MD )        

Some of these "originally all American made companies" Dirt Devil, Hoover, etc. outsourced their production why? Maybe because the owners and higher ups, got greedy and figured they could mass produce more cheaply and score big profits. There should also be more incentives for producing locally (keeping our fellow americans employed).... If they preach and want you to buy American, they should advertise and promote it, sell it in more venues! Simplicity, Riccar, Rainbow and the Kirby are difficult to find, unless you call for an home demo. The average American doesn't know crap about what's Made in America and where to buy it....In suburbia all they know is Best Buy and Target! I would buy American made vacuums, but I would not rule out German made Sebo and Miele....which are all German made. Half the line of simplicity/riccar still says Made in China or Korea, not Made in USA

Post# 216615 , Reply# 22   1/29/2013 at 10:59 (1,966 days old) by caligula (Benton, Pa)        
Remington and Filtex.

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There's little I know about either machine other than the Remington was a tank made by Apex, and the Filtex dates back to about 1945. Both of these I got just for fun, at different vacuum cleaner shops on a few trips. Whenever I go to a new city or town I try to get a souvenir vacuum cleaner, these were two of them. Somewhere I have the instruction book for the Filtex, but that, like everything else in in storage in another state. In both cases, I got just the base machines not the hose, wands or attatchments.

If any of our members want to chime in, I'd welcome learning about these myself.

Post# 216656 , Reply# 23   1/29/2013 at 15:46 (1,966 days old) by Diabeticdoode (Tulsa, Ok)        

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Like others have iterated, I feel that any brand will last you years on end with proper maintenance. I'll argue with anyone on here who says that Bissell is the worst current brand you can buy, I know for a fact that if you take care of them and not abuse them, they will last. They are surprisingly serviceable should a problem arise, and if you go to their website, almost all their replacement parts for any of their machines are relatively affordable. I think it's just a question of people's perception. Even if everyday knew that they could get replacement parts for their vacuum (any brand really) in this day and age I don't think people would (obviously so, which is why so many vacuums end up in the garbage.) I think it's just hows today's society has advanced. Shame.

Post# 216669 , Reply# 24   1/29/2013 at 18:03 (1,966 days old) by caligula (Benton, Pa)        
Vacuum cleaner abuse.

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Having loved vacuum cleaners since I was 2 years old (60 years and counting) I have great respect for the vacuum cleaner, as do the members of this club. However, most people, do not. It really angers me to hear about the way a lot of people abuse their vacuum cleaner.

The first time I encountered this was back in 1968, at a demo for a new Electrolux 1205. I was up against a badly dented and scratched model E. "How did it get these dents?" I asked. "I don't know, must be from my tossing it down the stairs" she said. (Grrrr!) Other people have told me they lifted the vacuum by the hose, kicked it from room to room, yanked the cord from the wall socket, or let the kids ride it like a pony. When I was selling Kirby's there were brush rolls wound with string, fishing line, or dog/cat hair so thick at the ends, that it could hardly spin, (and they wonder why the belt wears out so fast?) I sold a Kirby to a woman because there was no suction from her tank machine. Back in the office, I found the problem, several of her husbands socks were in the hose. More times than I care to remember, I've heard this comment. "It's just a vacuum cleaner, why should I be gentle with it?"

Post# 216859 , Reply# 25   1/30/2013 at 14:56 (1,965 days old) by jfalberti (Visalia, CA)        
How about Filter Queen ond Oreck?

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Are they still made in the USA?

Post# 216870 , Reply# 26   1/30/2013 at 15:26 (1,965 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

IMHO, Kirby/Rainbow/Filter Queen/Thermax/Aerus Electrolux/TriStar/Riccar/Simplicity are equal in build quality and reliability. They are the best vacuums currently being made today.

Post# 216874 , Reply# 27   1/30/2013 at 16:14 (1,965 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Sadly, The build quality and reliability of Royal/Hoover/Eureka/Sanitaire is not like it used to be in the 1980s.

Post# 217150 , Reply# 28   2/1/2013 at 20:12 (1,963 days old) by KirbysNphones (Springfield Missouri)        

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My favorites that I've used are Kirby, the older Royals (90's & earlier), Filter Queen (love it!)and my Rainbow.
It definitely makes a difference where it's made.

Think of it this way: You have an employee in the USA who takes pride in his/her work and good work actually means something, gets paid well, and you've got a 10 year old Asian kid who's forced to work for a pittance, and work insane hours. Who's gonna do better quality work? (not to mention the quality control in place)

Now I'm not against stuff NOT made in USA, if some other country can do it as good as us or better, good for them, as long as the overall quality is good. I prefer US made, but there is some good foreign made stuff too. (someone mentioned German vacs)

Post# 217167 , Reply# 29   2/1/2013 at 22:44 (1,963 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        

Joe, the Oreck 9-10 lb. Orecks are still made here in Cookeville, Tn. The new Magnesium comes from China, as well as our air purifiers. Now, we have a bagless coming, I shudder to think what it's going to be like. I will only suggest it if they insist on bagless. Our back room currently has 4 abandoned Dysons, and a couple of other brands, from people who want to go back to a user friendly vacuum, with a bag. Four of our seven stores here in St. Louis, offer Miele as an aternative, especially if they want a canister. In some cases I have sold them a Miele S7 upright since they're already used to a heavy machine. Other than our lightweight Commercial being built here, the balance of the commercial line are imports from someone else, Perfect for instance, and badged with our color choice and name. Guess we're lucky having at least our series of uprights still being built in the states, at this point any way.

Post# 217205 , Reply# 30   2/2/2013 at 08:03 (1,963 days old) by thermokid (Casper, Wyoming)        
Kirby's Last

and last. The vacuum I use everyday is a 53 year old Kirby model 560 and it still works great. It is still all original except for the brushroll, lightbulbs ocasionally, and a new belt every 2 to 3 months. The reason it has lasted this long is because I have taken it in for service every year or two. So yeah if you take good care of a Made In USA machine it will last you a long long time.... Dan

Post# 217226 , Reply# 31   2/2/2013 at 10:22 (1,962 days old) by GM1982 (Garrett Park, MD )        

I have noticed that with Oreck, some of its machines are made in China now... Is this another company on the verge of going China? Now they released a bagless vacuum cleaner..... Wait "bagless" isn't that the type they said is not good on they're infomercials. Interesting... so now the Magnesium Upright, Quest Pro Canister vacuums and the air purifiers are all made in China. Sad, furthermore, I cannot believe Miele wanted to put its products in some of the Oreck stores.

This is a greedy corporate country, no matter how you want to dissect it...big companies produce overseas at low costs to sell high. I don't think its hard to manufacture here, I think there are parts of the U.S. that are very low cost to do business and it can be done.

Outside of Kirby, I don't think any other vacuum is all made in USA. But the Kirby is not a practical vacuum for many

Post# 217232 , Reply# 32   2/2/2013 at 11:06 (1,962 days old) by heritageiihd ()        

Is Kirby still US made? Just curious as I don't know.

Parts of the Simplicity line are US made and parts are quietly made "by our supplier in the Orient," although I had heard the canisters were supposed to be moving production to the US, which seems not to have happened yet?

Post# 217477 , Reply# 33   2/4/2013 at 02:02 (1,961 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Well, I dont know about made in the USA products, I believe they are good, yes, however made in the UK products, such as the early chunky VAX machines, Numatic Henrys, Early Dysons are all british made and they are all still being used all over the UK compared to a DC18 I saw in the dump and some other latest vacuums of all sorts! Hoovers are rarely in the dump, except for the new bagless purepowers, dustmanagers, springs etc all that rubbish

Post# 217538 , Reply# 34   2/4/2013 at 14:41 (1,960 days old) by jfalberti (Visalia, CA)        
I believe

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Kirby is still made in Cleveland OH and Andrews TX. I'm not sure if all parts are made by Kirby though. I have a sneaking suspicion some are outsourced. I could be wrong however ...


Post# 217666 , Reply# 35   2/4/2013 at 23:47 (1,960 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Tom Oreck stepped down as the CEO of Oreck back in 2010. Doug Cahill replaced Tom in 2010.

Post# 217677 , Reply# 36   2/5/2013 at 02:55 (1,960 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Kirby Filtrete bags are made in China-says so right on the front of the package.Strangely-the Filtrete matrial is made in the US and shipped to a Chinese factory that makes the bags-then shipped back to the US.TiStar bags are made in China,too.

Post# 375053 , Reply# 37   7/9/2017 at 03:09 (345 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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Aerus is still made in the USA or at least some models are assembled here. other models are completely made here, such as the Lux Legacy and Lux Classic tanks, as well as the Guardian and ProLux uprights. other units such as the Guardian, Guardian platinum, FreshEra and centralux are assembled in the USA from domestic and imported materials. All of them are still very reliable machines, I can back up the USA part because I have seen the info plate on all of them.

Post# 375076 , Reply# 38   7/9/2017 at 15:26 (344 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
vacuums that are made to last

For me, quality and being built to last is most important, if it's made in the United States, that's an extra bonus. Kirby vacuums are built well, I don't like uprights, I'm a canister only person but that's personal preference. If you are willing to deal with the fact that Kirbys are heavy and switching to attachment mode is a bit of work, they work well and should last a long time. Most of the Tacony vacuums, using the Riccar and Simplicity brands are made in the USA and are very good quality. The Aerus vacuums are also well made, I think the classic and legacy are made here. the Guardian Platinum is made in Europe I think. Sebo and Miele are two very good brands, I think all of their vacuums are made in Germany. For water filtration vacuums, the Sirena and Rainbow machines are made very well. The Numatic vacuums are made in the U.K. and are very good quality. Lindhaus is also a great brand, made in Italy. I would avoid anything that is currently made by Hoover, Eureka, Bissell, Shark Oreck or Dyson, not very good quality on any of those. The Electrolux ultra one series of vacuums is also made very well.

Post# 375085 , Reply# 39   7/9/2017 at 21:22 (344 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Dyson quality has gone down hill since they stopped manufacturing them in the UK!

The British ones were so sturdy!

Post# 375095 , Reply# 40   7/10/2017 at 00:39 (344 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The box my Aerus Guardian Platinum came in just says "assembled in the USA" but doesn't tell where in the US.Guess Bristol,VA?

Post# 375099 , Reply# 41   7/10/2017 at 03:17 (344 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        

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I would say definitely:

- Kirby
- Nilfisk
- Lux (not Electrolux)

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Post# 375104 , Reply# 42   7/10/2017 at 08:37 (344 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Don't forget Sebo, Meile and Numatic.

Post# 375105 , Reply# 43   7/10/2017 at 08:38 (344 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Post# 375106 , Reply# 44   7/10/2017 at 08:48 (344 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        

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Oh yes Sebo, Miele and Numatic are definitely still made well.

Post# 375108 , Reply# 45   7/10/2017 at 09:42 (343 days old) by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

I think on some level the country of manufacture does matter. I try (when I can) to remain loyal to my country and buy items that are made or at least assembled here in the USA.

The other day I was in a store looking for a laundry basket. There were about 5 different ones to choose from, but only 1 or 2 were labeled as Made in the USA and by a woman-owned business. I chose one of those that were made here in the USA over the others that were not.

For me, this carries over to other things like kitchen appliances. I definitely look for previously used items in thrift stores over things I can buy new in a retail store since a majority of what is sold in stores close to me is not made in the USA; it's generally made in china junk that is not worth the cardboard box it comes in.

50 or 60 years ago when the average consumer went into a retail store like Sears and Roebuck or Montgomery Wards, there were no other options but to buy USA made items because manufacturing was still in this country and that is all that the retailers sold.

Post# 375111 , Reply# 46   7/10/2017 at 10:43 (343 days old) by Tseg (World Traveller)        

My house is ~2400 SF, including the finished basement, which makes it 3 stories, with no rooms that are particularly large. It is mostly hard wood with area rugs except for 2 rooms with Berber. My Miele C3 Alize cannister is my vacuum of choice. While plastic, it seems quite sturdy and the easily changed attachments make it quite versatile. The filtration is amazing. It is not US or China produced, rather Made in Germany. While I love the shine and sturdiness of a Kirby it would be a nightmare in my house.

Post# 375112 , Reply# 47   7/10/2017 at 11:39 (343 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I have to echo the sentiment of Blackheart in reply #3. Circuit boards are the root of all evil in modern appliances. As I've said numerous times in various threads, they're little more than self-destruct mechanisms, an intentional weak link designed to force consumers to replace otherwise reasonably durable appliances on an unnecessarily frequent basis.

For most of the 20th century, there was little question or choice for most American consumers but to buy American because we had most of the world's manufacturing capacity and shipping costs made imported items more expensive, often prohibitively so. But domestic manufacturing peaked somewhere in the late '60s or early '70s as manufacturing costs crept up and shipping consts went down. By sometime in the '90s, the equation had reversed itself to the point that cheap overseas labor and falling shipping costs made it prohibitively expensive to manufacture products domestically and that downward pressure on price led to a corresponding downward pressure on quality.

When it comes to vacuum cleaners, one thing that boggles my mind is manufacturers' commitment to messy bagless models. By doing this, they're basically cutting out a steady revenue stream for consumables. I guess it's more profitable to sell a consumer another plasticrap vacuum cleaner every two or three years instead of another package of disposable bags every few weeks or months.

All that said, I do believe 'Made in USA' matters. I also opt for older, second hand items over newer, inferior products whenever its feasible. Why pay $50 for a plasticrap vac from Walmart when I can pay $10 for an Electrolux in great shape from Goodwill?

Post# 375131 , Reply# 48   7/10/2017 at 18:42 (343 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
bagless vacuums

Part of the reason so many junk bagless models exist is because that is what consumers want and that's all they are willing to pay for. Most consumers are not willing to pay for good quality anymore. Even brands that were once top of the line vacuums are now mostly junk, I'm thinking of hoover and eureka. Kind of makes me wonder when these brands really went down hill. I know in the 1970's and even in to the 1980's, they were still making very good vacuums, so I'm guessing the 1990's is when things started going down hill. The only kind of bagless vacuum I would ever suggest is one that uses water filtration like a Rainbow or Sirena. These are bagless, but you really don't have to come in contact with what you vacuum up. Dump the water down the toilet and then take the basin right over to the sink and wash it like a pot or a pan. Between dumping the water and washing the basin, everything that has been vacuumed goes down the drain, no cloud of dust to deal with. And if the separator is dirty, take it off and put it in the basin and wash them both at the same time. I definitely find that I am buying more dish washing soap since I got my Sirena but I don't mind.

Post# 375133 , Reply# 49   7/10/2017 at 19:26 (343 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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There was lots of plastic in the 90s but it was still very good quality and usually made at home.

Post# 375139 , Reply# 50   7/11/2017 at 02:25 (343 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Rainbow and other watertrap vacuum bins---NEVER dump them down your house plumbing!!!!Dump the bin outside!The debris you picked up will sometime clog your plumbing and harden in your lines.I know of someone this happened to-A costly Roto-Rooter bill and the Roto Rooter guy showed me the rooter blades that were worn down from having to cut thru and dislodge the hardened debris.I was using a Rainbow in my brothers house and after that dumped the water bin outside in the gutter or plant bed.If you can't dump the bin outside-pick out the large pieces of debris and put in the trash.Poor the contents of then bin thru a strainer and put the strained stuff in the trash as well.Since my place is on a septic tank-I don't want to fill it with vacuum sweepings!Keep in mind most of what you pick up won't decompose in a septic tank.

Post# 375151 , Reply# 51   7/11/2017 at 09:41 (342 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
dumping water filtration vacuums

Interesting, the folks at Sirena and Rainbow encourage dumping it down the household drain system. There are also central vacuums that work this way, while vacuuming, water flows in to the power unit and when it's full, it drains itself. So far I have not had a problem, but I don't have any large objects to dump out, and I live in an apartment, so if the drain clogs, it's the apartment company's responsibility to fix it, not mine. I live on the second floor so I'm not about to ccarry that downstairs to empty it, I can understand why you would not want all of that in a ceptic tank though. Really pondering getting a rainbow E2, I really like how the Sirena works and I know the rainbow will be similar. What do they usually sell for new? Aren't they around $3000?

Post# 375152 , Reply# 52   7/11/2017 at 09:51 (342 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
backpack vacuums made in the U.S.A.

If you're a fan of backpack vacuums as I am, you have a few options for U.S.A. made models. Powr-flite is owned by Tacony and makes their vacuums here. The Sandia backpacks are also made in the United States, and the Mosquito backpacks are made here as well.

Post# 375153 , Reply# 53   7/11/2017 at 10:00 (342 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        

Up until recently I have always dumped my Rainbow and Sirena down the toilet.  I am on public sewer, however, as I can understand not wanting to burden the septic system.


Now, during the winter months I dump it directly on the garden.  During the summer I dump in the compost bin.  Most of my contents are dog hair, some dirt accompanies. 



Post# 375203 , Reply# 54   7/12/2017 at 03:03 (342 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Its Drainvac central vacuums that can "auto dump" into your drain system-No thanks for me!even if I didn't have a septic tank.Your landlord can get after you if you clog the drain system-I used to live in an apartment some time ago.And clogs can occur in their systems far from your apartment-and could flood someone elses.Just be careful.

Post# 375262 , Reply# 55   7/12/2017 at 22:27 (341 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
drainvac and aqua-air

Both Drainvac and Aqua-air make central vacuums that can dump directly down the drain, of course, you do pay extra for this and they take more work to install, they need access to both a water line and a drain. I suppose vacuums like the Rainbow and Sirena do the exact same thing, you just need to empty them manually. Actually going to meet with the local Rainbow distributor tomorrow, who knows, I might get a new toy.

Post# 375264 , Reply# 56   7/12/2017 at 22:52 (341 days old) by HooverMan123 (Ohio)        
Kirby G6 Rebuild

This may be off topic but I found a Kirby G6 at goodwill for 2.00$! Should I send it off to get it refurbished or should I do it my self the unit itself works but it defiantly will need techdrive work. What should I do?

Post# 375289 , Reply# 57   7/13/2017 at 12:59 (340 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        

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You can't beat Kirby's Rebuild Dept. It will look brand new when you get it back.


Post# 375293 , Reply# 58   7/13/2017 at 15:08 (340 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Two bucks for a Kirby is an absolute steal! The route you take fixing it up really comes down to how much you're willing to spend vs. how much satisfaction you'd derive from doing it yourself. My understanding is Kirby's rebuild service runs $300-$400 if you aren't the original owner, but as Bud said, it'll come back essentially as the equivalent of a brand new machine. You may also be able to find a better deal on a rebuild from a third party and you will certainly save money doing it yourself as you shop for the best deals on parts and you pick and choose what does and does not need replacing. Despite their complexity, G-series Kirbys are easy to work on if you have some decent screwdriver skills and a little bit of patience. I bought a G5 a couple of years ago and gradually replaced the worn or damaged parts for about $80 and it's now functionally just as good as either of my Gsix Kirbys. I may have spent too much on it, compared to what I have in my two Gsixes combined, but that's okay. I had fun working on it and more importantly, I learned a lot by doing it.

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