Thread Number: 19432
Help, Kenmore Direct Drive brush roll spinning backwards.. |
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Post# 215371   1/22/2013 at 20:47 (4,082 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)   |   | |
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My new (demo from ebay liquidator) Intuition (blue green model) upright is a bear to use, come to find out it's because the brush roll is turning the wrong way! It will creep backwards if left on & let go of... I think this is a common problem on this version of the model. I thought it was the front wheel size but i found another, the red version & it's a breeze to use & the brush roll spins in the right direction. Is this a reversal of polarity issue or something? i'm a bit handy & if someone could point me in the right direction on how to sort this out i would appreciate it greatly.
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Post# 215489 , Reply# 1   1/23/2013 at 17:08 (4,081 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)   |   | |
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According to Sears, that vacuum actually has not just one, but two motors in its brushroll. I'm guessing the problem could be in a circuit board somewhere? Not sure how both motors could be turning backwards.
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Post# 215502 , Reply# 2   1/23/2013 at 18:35 (4,081 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 215513 , Reply# 3   1/23/2013 at 20:27 (4,081 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845)   |   | |
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is the brush motor wired backwards? i had that happen with a train. dont know if it could happen to a vacuum |
Post# 215516 , Reply# 4   1/23/2013 at 20:46 (4,081 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)   |   | |
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At this link, if you click on Experience Center, then Intuition, then "Advanced Beltless Technology" they mention that it has a 3-motor system.
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Post# 215517 , Reply# 5   1/23/2013 at 20:51 (4,081 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 215519 , Reply# 6   1/23/2013 at 20:56 (4,081 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)   |   | |
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Post# 364137 , Reply# 7   12/24/2016 at 14:43 (2,651 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)   |   | |
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Well it's taken 3 years but i finally decided to try and get this sorted. After sitting along with 10 other half or fully disassembled vac projects i cleaned off the work bench and decided to first see if i could even get it back together...after the little amount of taking it apart i did way back when. Okay that was crazy difficult but now done. Did it fix itself? Nope. Okay get 'er apart snap some picks and see what the Vaclanders say. 7 wires come from the fan motor: 2 black, 2 red, 1 yellow, 1 blue, and 1 much thicker brown wire. 4 enter each side of the powered brush roll 2 white, 1 black and 1 red. There is an "overload reset" (2 wires 1 white and 1 blue) and a dirt sensor (3 wires red, yellow, black) of red and green lights also in the mix. So far i know this TOL aqua marine blue is one of the nicest looking plasti-vacs i' know of, and it is stupid hard to reassemble. Your thoughts on the matter are most welcome. |
Post# 364140 , Reply# 8   12/24/2016 at 15:48 (2,650 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)   |   | |
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I should mention, i was never sent a replacement "brush roll assembly", they sent a replacement vacuum. It is identical to the one on my work bench, and if need be i will use it as a guide...but the disassembly is so off-putting i would rather not.
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Post# 364158 , Reply# 9   12/25/2016 at 15:17 (2,650 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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I also liked the looks of that Kenmore, it was the last Kenmore upright by Panasonic that I liked because of the looks, I didn't care much about the looks of the Elite that replaced the blue intuition but I hear it still cleaned about just as well as the blue intuition. I never used the blue one before but I used the silver version of this at Sears one time but it only had one motor on the brushroll instead of two, I don't know the actual performance difference between the silver and the blue model but I would've been curious if the blue one actually did better on carpets than the silver one.
To be honest, I never liked the beltless system that Kenmore uses on their uprights. I liked the idea but I never find them to clean just as well as other uprights that uses a belt, plus the cost for repairing them is just ridiculous (More expensive than buying a whole new regular brushroll). I've used a Panasonic MC-V7407D that also had a beltless design on it. Panasonic used to use these brushrolls on some of their uprights but alot of dealers didn't like them and Panasonic later decided to not use them on their vacuums anymore, Sears really liked them so Panasonic kept making these brushrolls for Kenmore. I actually really liked this Panasonic because I thought the rotation on the brushroll spun just as well as a regular belted Panasonic upright and I really liked the design of the nozzle because it felt like it was hitting the carpet really good. My buddy and I wished Panasonic would've still made these models but it was definitely one of the most expensive Panasonics that my buddy has ever repaired. (These photos are not mine) |
Post# 364175 , Reply# 11   12/26/2016 at 09:37 (2,649 days old) by pinkge (Indianapolis,Indiana)   |   | |
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got it in reverse drive? |
Post# 364185 , Reply# 12   12/26/2016 at 15:22 (2,649 days old) by Stricklybojack (Southern California)   |   | |
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There is no switch for the direction of "drive". My hope is the machine was miss wired and a quick swaping around of a couple of wires will sort it out. I was originally thinking to simply flip the brush roll the opposite way around as it is a uniform design, but the wires are custom cut for each side and thus too short. I may just end up splicing in enough extension and try that. I really just need to speak with someone who knows exactly how these operate and let them talk me through it. |