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Post# 208956   12/6/2012 at 07:04 (4,149 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Well, this was one of the lot of 11 I bought the other day, and on first plugging in, did not sound very happy - in fact pretty sad, the motor was noisy and appeared to slow down and speed up, accompanied by a squeeling sound.
She got pulled apart today and serviced. Took the motor apart and oiled the front and rear bearings with a good clean. The front bearing has worn a bit but it was so dusty and dry. I love the fact that the twin fan motor on this vac can be split in 2 by removing two clips on either side of the motor housing, and the armature pulls out of the rear bearing - makes getting to the front bearing for cleaning a lot easier.
So anyway with a little TLC and a clean up, she roared into life, with none of the motor problems she had before - so seemed it was just dry bearings.

She's really very nice for 29 years old - manufactured June 1983 according to the sticker on the motor, and I'm glad she could be saved.
Heres some pictures of her:


Post# 208957 , Reply# 1   12/6/2012 at 07:04 (4,149 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Front view:


Post# 208958 , Reply# 2   12/6/2012 at 07:05 (4,149 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

rear view:


Post# 208959 , Reply# 3   12/6/2012 at 07:06 (4,149 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Underside:

Post# 208960 , Reply# 4   12/6/2012 at 07:07 (4,149 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The Vario power control:


Post# 208961 , Reply# 5   12/6/2012 at 07:08 (4,149 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Neon Switch:

Post# 208962 , Reply# 6   12/6/2012 at 07:09 (4,149 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The Bag door open:

Post# 208966 , Reply# 7   12/6/2012 at 09:24 (4,149 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Nice - dont surpose you got the accessory kit with it?

Post# 208970 , Reply# 8   12/6/2012 at 11:15 (4,149 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Yeah, I got the hose and the pipe extension, but it didnt have any tools - uses standard 32mm I think though so any tools would fit

Post# 209042 , Reply# 9   12/7/2012 at 08:40 (4,148 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Steve, what noise was it making exactly?

A rubber squealing kind of noise?

I'm beginning to wonder if my old 1979 Electrolux 502 may just need lubricated bearings now...


Post# 209082 , Reply# 10   12/7/2012 at 17:32 (4,147 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Jamie - the motor bearings were very dry and caked with dust - the front bearing was the guilty culprit - a bit of play there but so dry with no lube - you need to remove the side clamps from the motor and seperate the two halves - but the carbon brushes should be removed first or they will spring out when the commutator and armature is pulled out of the rear bearing housing.
The belt does slightly rub in the plastic due to it riding on the end of the motor spindle, but this does not make the noise - the noise was purely bearing oriented.



Post# 209083 , Reply# 11   12/7/2012 at 17:57 (4,147 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Jamie- my 502S has a lot of work needing doing - its very sorry for itself, and has no internal filters, a knackered brushroll (worn brushes), brushroll base retainer screw missing, no belt, totally perished furniture guard rubber, cracked rear carry handle and its very dirty underneath. Will be done eventually, but not right now. I dont believe in throwing a cleaner out, or breaking it down unless it is TOTALLY unsalvageable. Non of the 11 cleaners I got the other day will be thrown out - they will ALL be saved as there are none that are beyond repair. Its just that some will require more work and money spending on them.
If you truly love vacuum cleaners - you will always try to rescue them, no matter what ills they have, or else, thats one less of a rare cleaner in the world once you junk it.
I have only junked a couple of cleaners - and they were Dyson DC07s where the spines were shot, but I used their good bits for transplant to other machines.

You want to ideally keep your 502S, as they are getting rare now, and a great example of a cleaner before its time when released. In the early 70's, what else was like the 502 series? Hoover's rival was the 652 - compare the 2 - which was more advanced? The 500 series was a very early example of a clean air upright plastivac - very ahead of its time! It survived for over 20 years in its relatively unchanged form. How many do you see now? Keep it Jamie and restore it.


Post# 209086 , Reply# 12   12/7/2012 at 18:17 (4,147 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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If you are talking about my 502S then it needs no restoration - it runs like brand new and looks it too.

If you're talking about my 502 then that probably needs a new motor or lubricated bearings as you said. I still have it but it needs a lot more work even if the motor could be fixed so I'm putting it on the back burner for now.

I do love my 502S and the best part was I got it for free from a very kind old lady who had bought a new vacuum and listed the Lux on Gumtree.

30 years old earlier this year, would you know it?


Post# 209088 , Reply# 13   12/7/2012 at 18:23 (4,147 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Made in Britain, don't see that these days...

Post# 209099 , Reply# 14   12/7/2012 at 19:22 (4,147 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I hadnt realised you had 2 of them Jamie - and very nice the 502S is as well - indeed, for that design is now 40 years old, introduced in the early 70's. I have the 500 model and the 502S now in addition to the 560, and like I said, they are worth preserving as although they were 2 a penny in the 80's and 90's, there aint that many of them left now. I'd say the same about the Dyson DC01 and DC04 - very common in their day, but rapidly dissapearing now, with the DC01 being 20 years old next year (the oldest models that is)
I can bet in 20 years time, the DC07 will be rare too!

As for made in britain, there is not much that is these days - but the Henry is!
Everything else is made in China or Germany, or US for Kirbys.


Post# 209238 , Reply# 15   12/9/2012 at 04:44 (4,146 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Says a lot doesn't it?

The Electrolux 500 series which are mostly over 30 years old are just becoming rare now and Dysons which aren't even 20 years old yet are getting rare.

Hmm... Just thought I'd point that out (yes, I hate Dysons).

The design really was before its time though being from the same era as my 1977... Yes, you know the one.

Back in the 70s you had two kinds of upright vacuum - the traditional dirty fan with poor above floor cleaning and the Electrolux 500.

If only Electrolux would bring that vacuum back with the good old 500 watt motor which was as quiet as a whisper and as powerful as a V8, if only...

Anyway, enough reminiscing!


Post# 209239 , Reply# 16   12/9/2012 at 04:49 (4,146 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Forgot to mention, the only flaw with them is the inner tube which takes the dirt from the cleaning head to the main suction channel - that often splits after about 30 years of use and they are very hard to acquire unfortunately.

Luckily for me I managed to get one from eBay for about £7 for my 502S and it is brilliant however that was the only one the seller had so for anybody else requiring a replacement - better go to the dentist for hens because that's the only place you'll find 'em.

I do believe that new hose will outlast the original however and I will know, because when that Lux is 60 years old (in which time it will still be working like brand new - I guarantee it) we'll see if I have the dreaded task of finding another hose or not.


Post# 209242 , Reply# 17   12/9/2012 at 05:49 (4,146 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Gentlemen, the alternative to the Electrolux 500 series was the Hoover Starlight or the Hoover Convertible. The Starlight was smaller and far less convenient when attaching tools, and the Convertible was very heavy and very expensive. Electrolux found a niche market to say the very least. Their cleaners were not cheap - one could pay a good deal less for many other cleaners - but clearly consumers noted the quality and additional value which an Electrolux offered.

The original duct hose for these cleaners is long obsolete, but one can still obtain non-genuine replacements which consists of both end fittings and the hose, all moulded into one. Alternatively, if anyone has a length of the narrow plastic hose from the tool kit of a Hotpoint Universal upright, this can be cut to size and used to replace the original duct hose, using the existing end fittings. The 500 hose was fatter and flattened out in places, but had to be changed for the 502 as this hose was easy to block up, due to the change in shape which allowed certain debris to enter the hose at the flattest point and then get stuck as the hose returned to circular.


Post# 209244 , Reply# 18   12/9/2012 at 05:52 (4,146 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Gentlemem if you would like to examine this webpage you will see both types of duct hose are still on sale.

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Post# 209245 , Reply# 19   12/9/2012 at 05:56 (4,146 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

My underside pipes for the 500's are all ok - but I find its the filters that are now getting harder to find - there are not very many of them left now - even on ebay there are only a couple of sellers for them - and prices are creeping up. The pads and the screw down filter are both getting in short supply.
I cannot find that much for them on Ebay now - despite Benny saying that parts were still 2 a penny - I think Benny may be surprised if he went on Ebay nowadays - as they are anything but 2 a penny now.
Not one sole plate could I find for any 500 series, and there is one seller selling second hand bits from a 502S - thats about it. (she's selling a bottom pipe too BTW and some filters) You may want to have a bid? so might I lol


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Post# 209246 , Reply# 20   12/9/2012 at 06:02 (4,146 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Hello there. Benny is on ebay these days. I look a lot. I was not referring to specific spares still being available on there, new or old, I was speaking of complete 2nd hand cleaners. I see so very many. On the quickest search just now I found a mass of new consumable parts, plus a job lot of 502S parts, and a complete 502.

The consumable spares for these cleaners are still very much around, being sold by numerous online retailers, but at a price of course.


Post# 209247 , Reply# 21   12/9/2012 at 06:03 (4,146 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Benny - just talking about you lol - there aint much one ebay now for the 500 series - go take a look - but I do note that site with the aftermarket base hoses - useful addition.
Will have to keep my eye out for an orginal 500 soleplate for my 500 to replace the 502 one it has on now


Post# 209248 , Reply# 22   12/9/2012 at 06:04 (4,146 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well this was my first search and it bought up 86 matches.

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Post# 209249 , Reply# 23   12/9/2012 at 06:08 (4,146 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Benny - hope you didnt get the hump - I didnt mean to sound rude lol. Its just that most complete 500's that appear on ebay are either too expensive or they wont post them - there are a couple of later models but £80? thats too much in my book.
I only paid £40 for all 11 of those house clearance vacs I bought the other day - including 3 500 series.


Post# 209250 , Reply# 24   12/9/2012 at 06:12 (4,146 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Benny - I note all that you say - but its the parts like the soleplate I'm after and these are the parts that are in short supply - Bags and belts will always be available, but its the actual parts like wheels, motors, etc that I mean.
I was looking for rear wheels for a 652A, but had no success for them either


Post# 209251 , Reply# 25   12/9/2012 at 06:14 (4,146 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Sir, I never get the hump. Life is too short to be cross, something I learnt years ago. And if I were to do so, it would not be amongst people I can't see.

You do seem to have answered your own dilemma here though. It's the price. I do of course realise that it soon adds up, and this is where I have so much admiration for those of you who really go to town on restoring your cleaners. From the photographs I have seen, it must have cost a small fortune. But my goodness, what a result.


Post# 209252 , Reply# 26   12/9/2012 at 06:21 (4,146 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Benny - I'm very shrewd - and wont pay high prices - not in this economic climate. I make do and mend and if filters are too dear - I cut up spare Miele filters I have or the likes and make them fit - thats what I did for the 500 that had no filter in the base, cut another premotor filter to size from a template 500 filter.

I wont support greedy dealers who try to cash in on a cleaner's rarity.
I find a good seller is LM Electrical in Bristol who are on Ebay, and they dont take the micky with prices - I use them a lot and they are reliable.
Have just ordered bags and belts for the 500 and bags and belts for the TP2, in addition, another belt for the Senior. All this came to about £13 inc postage.
I shop around - the best value gets the sale. The greedy get no business from me.


Post# 209253 , Reply# 27   12/9/2012 at 06:28 (4,146 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well you have heard my views on that in the past. A high price does not automatically mean a seller is greedy. No one can possibly say that without knowing the cost prices paid. If I am selling something for £10 which cost me £7.50, and someone else is selling the same item for £7.50 but they managed to get it for £2.50, that does not make me greedy. Arguably it doesn't make the other person greedy either of course, as the whole point of buying & selling is to make a profit. I did not run my shop for the love of the community. I must say that words like greedy are easy to use, but unless one knows all the circumstances it is also a hollow word too. And I am still not cross.

Then again, with so much still available online, few sellers will have the time to do detailed searches to see what prices are being charged. That's the job of the consumer. It always has been.


Post# 209256 , Reply# 28   12/9/2012 at 06:36 (4,146 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Yes Benny - but if LM Electrical can charge a price and make a profit, why cant, say, busybees charge the same - no they charge a lot more for everything. If you sell in bulk, prices can be lower, and that means happier customers. Wages are low now and utilities are expensive, that means people are more careful about finding bargains now - and some of these retailers need to get with the big picture - sell it at a reasonable price or go bust.


Post# 209257 , Reply# 29   12/9/2012 at 06:45 (4,146 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well, as I said, without knowing figures, I can't comment. If you have the cost prices available of the businesses you speak of then you are better placed to pass judgement than I am. I would be foolish to speak without the facts. Selling goods at high prices is not what makes companies go bust. They go bust when they don't make enough profit to make it worthwhile being in business. A lack of profit comes from more factors than is worth mentioning here. Far better I congratulate you on the goods you were able to source at a price you were happy with. It merely saddens me -having been in business myself for a long time- that your good fortune is off-set by having left a bad taste in your mouth about other retailers. I say leave them too it, don't worry about them (and don't insult them), just continue to build a great rapport with the bumpiness who you do enjoy trading with.

Post# 209258 , Reply# 30   12/9/2012 at 06:46 (4,146 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

bumpiness. That's computers and poor eyesight for you. I wrote Businesses.

Post# 209264 , Reply# 31   12/9/2012 at 07:51 (4,146 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well even if EBAY UK might not come up trumps, at least there's Amazon UK for Z500 filters.

Being shrewd is all very well; however being tight is another issue. As VR says quite rightly, the mark up that companies make have to make something to stay in business. Just because the price changes, the packaging/delivery costs may be higher. Also there are other factors like how big a business is such as LM Electrical compared to busybees, or any other seller. Some just sell small amounts of spares compared to larger warehouse based company that happen to have the bonus of a page/account on EBAY UK.


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Post# 209293 , Reply# 32   12/9/2012 at 12:23 (4,146 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK)        

i have the electrolux twinturbo electronic delux- the only thig i hate about it is that stupid little hose clogs soooo easy! i had to dissassemble it all the other day, as the clog had gone up the spine of it too.
i do love the variable power too!
just to say thanks to James(kirbymodel2c) who gave it me as he had 2 of them.


Post# 209485 , Reply# 33   12/11/2012 at 06:35 (4,144 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Steve, as Ryan said - there is being shrewd and there is being downright tight.

For example, I could buy a pack of generic bags for my Hoover Turbopower 2 for a couple of Pounds or I could spend around £5 on genuine Hoover bags.

No doubt you would go for the former however if you wish to keep the vacuum running at peak condition for the longest time, you would be wrong to do so.

I only purchase genuine parts (when available of course) and if it costs more - so be it.

Now there is the subject of your local electricals store (which you are obviously biased in favour of) and the eBay seller "busybees" who I happen to have purchased an Electrolux 502 filter from earlier this year and couldn't praise them highly enough in my feedback.

They dispatched the filter very rapidly however after a few days it still had not arrived so I contacted them to see if they could shed some light on it and they said if it had not arrived by Friday (this was Wednesday) to contact them and they would send out another filter.

It still had not arrived by then and they sent another one out, no bother at all.

What you have to take into account also is how much "busybees" has paid for their items opposed to your LM Electricals.

It is all well and good to say "well LM Electricals sells the same item cheaper so "busybees" must be ripping people off" but it is actually very inane to say such a thing because LM Electricals may be paying half what "busybees" is paying for their items.

What would you want them to do? Make a loss just to match a retailer who, of course, does not give the advantage of delivery via Royal Mail to your home?

I won't say "please think before you post in future" because we all know that would be hypocritical of me but you have to understand Benny's very legitimate points as well.

As for insinuating Benny had "the hump", I would be quite insulted if I were him, but that is just a side note.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm "having a go" at you but I just felt the need to express my feelings on this matter.





Post# 209501 , Reply# 34   12/11/2012 at 10:47 (4,144 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The thing is, what price constitutes as a reasonable price, and one that will still make a profit? Its all very well if you're a large company who can afford to buy in bulk and thus also be able to afford to mark up prices on other products like other appliances instead of consumables like vacuum cleaner bags and filters.

One has to bear in mind that even if a company choose to sell a product, they can choose to sell whatever price they like. No company is ever the same - witness the big name stores trying to challenge each other on pricing strategies - one reason alone to why John Lewis continually have special buying days when a rival company sell a product for far cheaper.

It does not make any business sense to offer the same price from all companies. Companies would eventually go bust if all they did was apply cheap prices to products and not make a profit margin.


Post# 209502 , Reply# 35   12/11/2012 at 10:51 (4,144 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Jamie - you are talking nonsense!
Who said that LM Electrical was my local retailer? I live in Stoke and not Bristol - LM Electrical is an ebay trader the same as busy bees, and LM Electrical have always been helpful and send most things first class and free P&P.

Its you who is trying to inflame the matter here - dont you remember why you got banned before?

If you want to pay through the nose for the same items from Busy bees, then you go right ahead - but if no-one paid inflated prices, they couldnt charge them.

I never said cheapest is best - but compare like for like, and the cheaper supplier gets my business. If Busybees cant do cheap prices, then maybe they need to look at making their business more efficient.

I cant believe your arrogant attitude on that last posting. I just dont understand you, and I stuck up for you previously as well - never again Jamie.


Post# 209503 , Reply# 36   12/11/2012 at 11:02 (4,144 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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My apologies, I did not realise LM Electrical was an eBay seller, however my point still stands - you cannot slander one seller because they charge more without understanding WHY the other seller may charge more.

I thought there was a thing called free speech? If that is called arrogant now then that's me told.

I really couldn't care less quite frankly as there is a lot more important things in life than an internet forum which I find myself frequenting less and less these days.

Good day.



Post# 209505 , Reply# 37   12/11/2012 at 11:10 (4,144 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

You didnt realise that LM Electrical was an Ebay seller? Whose fault was that then?

My point still stands as well - This is an age of Austerity Jamie - until you start having to pay for your own bills and rent, then realise that other people are not made of money and prepared to fork out more than necessary to expensive places like Busy Bees.

If you dont like Vacuumland, then dont visit here. If you do, please keep your sharp tongue in check.


Post# 209532 , Reply# 38   12/11/2012 at 15:02 (4,144 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Well look, recent politics and comments aside, gentlemen, it is interesting I find that the subject of financial cut-backs and savings have been brought into the same debate about what one pays for goods. One of the very reasons for the appalling state of this countries economy is due to the very fact that many governments who have been in power have always been so very keen for businesses to charge as little as they like and for the consumer to go to who they want to. This has led to much consumer-driven price cuts and stupidly low prices by retailers. There are of course so very many factors which have compounded our current economical situation, but a good deal of it has been bought on by ourselves. The UK consumer has an awful lot to answer for.

Post# 209534 , Reply# 39   12/11/2012 at 15:07 (4,144 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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That was what I was getting at Benny, people can't expect to spend very little on items and keep the economy afloat at the same time.

Post# 209555 , Reply# 40   12/11/2012 at 16:44 (4,144 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The fact is that wages are only going one way - and thats downwards, with more and more jobs paying little more than minimum wage, thats £6.19 an hour. I dont get much more than this myself. So, if companies only want to pay the least for their staff, then the staff aint gonna have much money to spend in the economy are they. I dont have many luxuries, my hoovers are my only hobby when I can afford them, and I just refuse to pay for companies to line the pockets of their fatcat bosses - who live the life of luxury whilst paying basic staff a pittance.
When my gas bills keep rising, electric keeps rising, petrol is ludicrously expensive, and food and groceries are ever more expensive, I have to make savings somewhere. As my hoovers are a hobby - I dont spend the earth on them - I spend just enough to make them functional and look nice, and if LM Electrical can help me do that, but BusyBees want to rip me off, then LM Electrical will get the business every time, and I've put a lot of business their way this year.


Post# 209558 , Reply# 41   12/11/2012 at 17:08 (4,144 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I must apologise if I have added a personal slant to this thread. It's like I said, I was in business myself. And I took have been accused of ripping people off because of the amount I was having to charge for certain products. It was of course the very last thing on my mind, to rip anyone off. Yet I recall a woman passing a rather questionable comment over the price of some budget steam irons I had on display. The fact I was making very little on them was neither here nor there. I only stocked them to prevent the shop looking empty. Anyway the point is I was accused of all sorts by her. I took it on the chin of course, I can't be held responsible for her ignorance and bad attitude. I did however stop stocking irons after that. I couldn't be bothered with competing with the likes of Tesco and Asda.

Still, if you don't shop with BusyBees, they aren't actually ripping you off. All they are doing is displaying what they think is a fair price and to which one says yes or no. Seeing how you mention gas & electricity, well, if you said that was a rip-off, I might agree with you. Now that it has been privatised it is run as a profit making exercise for the shareholders.


Post# 209600 , Reply# 42   12/11/2012 at 19:49 (4,143 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Post# 354890 , Reply# 43   6/29/2016 at 10:36 (2,848 days old) by Gillyco58 (Derby)        
Electrolux 502 Accessories

Hi, I'm not a collector but thought this would be the best place to start. I have a hose, extension tube and accessories for an Electrolux 502(?). The hose is the fabric type not the extending plastic kind. I have the original box but it's rather tatty and had to be repaired. I'd rather not put them in the bin so wonder if anyone would like them?

Post# 355093 , Reply# 44   7/1/2016 at 09:25 (2,846 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Hi Gilly, Welcome to Vacuumland - nice to see another UK person. I will forward your info to those who are interested and await their replies.

Post# 355130 , Reply# 45   7/1/2016 at 19:49 (2,845 days old) by Collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Just emailed you about it Gill


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