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Thread Number: 18625
Kirby 514 armature and field windings problems |
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| Post# 204750 , Reply# 1 10/25/2012 at 13:21 (4,198 days old) by vacu-finder () | ||
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Armature That armature is toast, not only is it worn out (grooved) but chunks are broken off. Look for another armature or a complete motor. | ||
| Post# 204759 , Reply# 2 10/25/2012 at 14:41 (4,198 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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Any idea of where to find one..... Could it also be the field windings?? ... I ask becouse wen it would be on, it would smell like burn plastic.... It would spin fast for ten min. Then it got slow.... That's how it's been now, here is a pic of windings 
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| Post# 204767 , Reply# 3 10/25/2012 at 16:21 (4,198 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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Does enybody know the manufactures part number for the armature on my 514 kirby? | ||
| Post# 204769 , Reply# 4 10/25/2012 at 16:37 (4,198 days old) by kirbykid63 (Wilmington Delaware) | ||
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I agree the copper bars are chewed up.The armature is no longer made however there are still many of those machines around with good armatures.You may want to replace the bearing plate it is still available to my knowledge as well as the motor brushes. Richard groski new2youvacuums 520-260-1364 | ||
| Post# 204772 , Reply# 5 10/25/2012 at 17:12 (4,198 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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Is there a possibility that the windings need replacement ? | ||
| Post# 204780 , Reply# 6 10/25/2012 at 17:50 (4,198 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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Yes there is. Depends on how it was treated | ||
| Post# 204782 , Reply# 7 10/25/2012 at 18:23 (4,198 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
 I'd just replace the whole motor. Kirby upgraded that motor and the replacement has a shorter motor field and therefore a completely different armature. However, I believe the armature even for the updated motor is no longer available (if bought new), so I'd just buy a donor machine and use that motor. Any motor up to the S7 (Sanitronic) will fit. But you might check with Bill Edstrom first to make sure. He will know for sure about what's available. | ||
| Post# 204783 , Reply# 8 10/25/2012 at 18:23 (4,198 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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Is there any way on testing it with like a multimeter or an ohm meter? Is there any way of ruling out the bad part... I'm hoping its just the armature. Would another vacuum's model armature fit the 514 that I can buy new??? | ||
| Post# 204784 , Reply# 9 10/25/2012 at 18:27 (4,198 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
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Ohm Meter | ||
| Post# 204789 , Reply# 10 10/25/2012 at 18:55 (4,198 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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I did test it with two meters... First was a fluke digital and it read 0 ohms all the way around, second I used a tempo analog meter and it went all the way to the right to 0 ohms.... So can something else be wrong?? | ||
| Post# 204790 , Reply# 11 10/25/2012 at 18:57 (4,198 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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Is there a way to test field windings??? | ||
| Post# 204793 , Reply# 12 10/25/2012 at 19:29 (4,198 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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Try using a battery, some wire and a light bulb. And it should be the same way with thefeild windings | ||
| Post# 204794 , Reply# 13 10/25/2012 at 19:30 (4,198 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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Try using a battery, some wire and a light bulb. And it should be the same way with thefeild windings | ||
| Post# 204798 , Reply# 15 10/25/2012 at 19:50 (4,198 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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you would feel it if it was shorting on the metal motor holding device. almost like touching the prongs in an outlet. it could also be the cord or switch. | ||
| Post# 204801 , Reply# 16 10/25/2012 at 20:12 (4,198 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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I'm going to override the safety switch and eniminate the switch and go directly to the motor to see if that will help... Process of elimination | ||
| Post# 204802 , Reply# 17 10/25/2012 at 20:50 (4,198 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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oh I didn't think of that. I thought it could be the regular on off switch | ||
| Post# 204804 , Reply# 19 10/25/2012 at 21:35 (4,197 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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According to vacsite, the armature from a D80 & D50 will fit the 514, is it possible that a two speed motor armature will fit a single speed motor? What do you guys think?? CLICK HERE TO GO TO castrojoel's LINK | ||
| Post# 204805 , Reply# 20 10/25/2012 at 21:41 (4,197 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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dont thinks so. i tried this once but the rear bearing didnt fit into the casing | ||
| Post# 204806 , Reply# 21 10/25/2012 at 21:41 (4,197 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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and i have a full motor that i can sell to you. it is in nice condition. doesnt have bearings though | ||
| Post# 204807 , Reply# 22 10/25/2012 at 21:48 (4,197 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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it is 75 just just armature and feilds. and if you want a original kirby bag it is 175 free shiping. the bag i think is original to the 514 and early 515. i might also have the carbons for it | ||
| Post# 204813 , Reply# 24 10/25/2012 at 23:24 (4,197 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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Ya you could definatly do that | ||
| Post# 204814 , Reply# 25 10/25/2012 at 23:36 (4,197 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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Hey kirbykid, my email is castrojoel_21@yahoo.com, lets get in contact because I'm going to throw in the towel on this motor, it's been nothing but trouble and a pain on my rear end | ||
| Post# 204871 , Reply# 26 10/26/2012 at 19:21 (4,197 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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everything 
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| Post# 204872 , Reply# 27 10/26/2012 at 19:22 (4,197 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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if you want the bag then i will sow the spring into the bottom of the bag. the last one rusted away | ||
| Post# 204873 , Reply# 28 10/26/2012 at 19:22 (4,197 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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| Post# 204874 , Reply# 29 10/26/2012 at 19:23 (4,197 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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does anyone know if the feild coils will fit? they are from a 518 i think | ||
| Post# 204875 , Reply# 30 10/26/2012 at 19:24 (4,197 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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this is from the 518 as well 
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| Post# 204876 , Reply# 31 10/26/2012 at 19:25 (4,197 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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and this is from a 512 
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| Post# 204877 , Reply# 32 10/26/2012 at 19:26 (4,197 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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and this is from a 512 also a bit dirty but i will clean it all 
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| Post# 204878 , Reply# 33 10/26/2012 at 19:27 (4,197 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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this is from a 518 dont know if it will fit... if anyone knows if it will 
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| Post# 204879 , Reply# 34 10/26/2012 at 19:29 (4,197 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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the bag has been washed and vacuumed. i tried to get the rust out but i didnt want to use heavy cleaners. i just used soapy water. i am going to try and use the spot bot hose to clean the rust | ||
| Post# 204882 , Reply# 35 10/26/2012 at 19:37 (4,197 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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i want $225 for it all except the 512 motor. now it will have free shiping. and if it doesnt fit then i will give you a full refund but you will have to pay return shiping | ||
| Post# 204886 , Reply# 36 10/26/2012 at 19:49 (4,197 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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with the 512 motor why does this happen? i touched 2 segments right next to each other and the ohm meter that i just bought says that the current is going through 
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| Post# 204896 , Reply# 37 10/26/2012 at 21:31 (4,196 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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My armature from my 514 does the same thing, the best way to check is with a growler, but I don't have one | ||
| Post# 204899 , Reply# 38 10/26/2012 at 22:10 (4,196 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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I've read that the only true way to check for faults is to run 110v down the armature because it needs extra power that a multimeter can't do, here is my armature 
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| Post# 204903 , Reply# 40 10/26/2012 at 22:18 (4,196 days old) by d-jones (Pittsburgh) | ||
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By the way What you're seeing on those ohm meters is perfectly normal. | ||
| Post# 204913 , Reply# 42 10/26/2012 at 23:52 (4,196 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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I guess I cant really comment because obviously I would recommend you go with my deal but because I'm human I would probably unknowingly try to make myself better | ||
| Post# 204917 , Reply# 43 10/27/2012 at 00:15 (4,196 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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I was thinking of getting whole new motor from kirby... | ||
| Post# 204919 , Reply# 44 10/27/2012 at 00:21 (4,196 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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How much do they sell for??? | ||
| Post# 204923 , Reply# 45 10/27/2012 at 00:56 (4,196 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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I can get them both for around $150 new, that is quite a bit of money, but they are new. That digs me more money in the hole for a vacuum I'm pretty much not going to use. | ||
| Post# 204960 , Reply# 46 10/27/2012 at 14:21 (4,196 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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Found replacement locally I found an armature here in town from a local repair shop, I could only go today because the shop closes the same time I leave work, good thing he had a replacement, saved me a ton of money 
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| Post# 204962 , Reply# 47 10/27/2012 at 14:25 (4,196 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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New replacement metal fan, replacement switch, and of coarse replacement armature, Got all of this for $40.00+ tax 
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| Post# 204963 , Reply# 48 10/27/2012 at 14:50 (4,196 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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$40?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! wow. what about the feild winding? and the bag? | ||
| Post# 204974 , Reply# 50 10/27/2012 at 16:03 (4,196 days old) by fairfax88 (Orlando, FL) | ||
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How much did it cost back in 1954 ~David | ||
| Post# 204981 , Reply# 51 10/27/2012 at 16:57 (4,196 days old) by castrojoel () | ||
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192.35+tax Here is a pic of sales slip 
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| Post# 204991 , Reply# 52 10/27/2012 at 19:14 (4,196 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
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Post# 255447 , Reply# 54 11/7/2013 at 01:31 (3,820 days old) by KirbyClassicIII  (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Evan (kirbykid),
Would you happen to know what the code number is that is stamped on the copper windings of the armatures from those pictures you submitted for Joel (castrojoel) regarding his armature? I know that the replacement armature, in one of Joel's own pics, is stamped "10530" on the copper winding, which would've meant that armature was for the first 4-amp motor used on the second-series 513 to 515. Elsewhere on them, you might be able to find the part number (check fan blade). Those armatures and fields (for the 3 amp motors that lasted between the 3C and the early 513) have been discontinued by Kirby in the '60s. Thank you, Ben (KirbyClassicIII) | ||
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