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Post# 201762   9/25/2012 at 17:28 (4,224 days old) by KC_Kirby (Kansas City, MO)        

A month ago my father sent me a link to an estate auction in my area that had a bunch of vacuums. From the listing it appeared the person that lived there ran a vacuum repair business. The listing mentioned there were about 25 vacuums plus parts used to repair vacuums. It had one picture with a bunch of vacuums that looked like they were in an attic. I could only see a few pretty well but I saw enough to peak my interest. I went to a house inspection time prior to the auction hoping to see more of the vacuums to get an idea if there was really much there worth going to the auction for. I saw some interesting items that I really didn't want to miss out on. So I went to the auction this past Saturday morning. When I got there I was overwhelmed. There were many more vacuums there than I had seen in the preview or online. There must have been at least 100 vacuums. So I went up and down the rows of vacuums to pick out what I wanted to get. I figured they would probably offer choice of vacuums for the bid price. There were lots of Hoover Convertibles, a few Kirby's, Rainbows, a Compact, Kenmores, Eureka's and many more. It looked like most were fairly old so I am guessing the husband of the couple must have died off a long time ago. I didn't see any bagless vacuums there. There were also a lot of parts as well, and they were not all together with the vacuums. Some of the parts were downstairs and some were in the backyard. The auction ran two rings so I had keep going back and forth to make sure I didn't miss anything I wanted. I ended up taking home 10 vacuums. I would have loved to taken many more but I don't have the space to store them and my car would only hold so many. One guy bought all the vacuums that were left after I got mine and a few other people got theirs. He must have netted around 80 vacuuums for 1.00, yes, that's right, only a buck. And I left a lot of vintage Eureka's and some older Hoovers so there were some good vacuums left over.

Post# 201763 , Reply# 1   9/25/2012 at 17:29 (4,224 days old) by KC_Kirby (Kansas City, MO)        

Another view of the vacs

Post# 201764 , Reply# 2   9/25/2012 at 17:30 (4,224 days old) by KC_Kirby (Kansas City, MO)        

another

Post# 201765 , Reply# 3   9/25/2012 at 17:31 (4,224 days old) by KC_Kirby (Kansas City, MO)        

Another

Post# 201766 , Reply# 4   9/25/2012 at 17:33 (4,224 days old) by KC_Kirby (Kansas City, MO)        

Another

Post# 201767 , Reply# 5   9/25/2012 at 17:36 (4,224 days old) by KC_Kirby (Kansas City, MO)        

My auction winnings.... In addition to the vacs I bought some bins with parts like brushes for brushrolls, some belts, fans and various other vac parts.

Post# 201769 , Reply# 6   9/25/2012 at 17:38 (4,224 days old) by KC_Kirby (Kansas City, MO)        

More of what I bought

Post# 201770 , Reply# 7   9/25/2012 at 17:40 (4,224 days old) by KC_Kirby (Kansas City, MO)        

More

And can anyone tell me if the bag on the Franken Hoover Model 63 is the First Convertible 65 Bag? It does say "Citation" on it but it is narrow like the later Convertibles.


Post# 201771 , Reply# 8   9/25/2012 at 17:43 (4,224 days old) by KC_Kirby (Kansas City, MO)        

And for the most precious item I found.... the Hoover Rug. I have always wanted one of the these and it seems that about every other serious collector seems to have one. Well, now I do too. And I got it for the hugely sum of two dollars. John Long, I have vowed to only vacuum on it with a Hoover to keep its purity. Thought you should know that in case you were worried, LOL.

Post# 201772 , Reply# 9   9/25/2012 at 18:10 (4,224 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        
Franken Hoover model 63 bag

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No, that bag is from the super-rare model 64 Citation! It was the model right before the 65, made in 1956-57. Is it in good shape?

- Hershel


Post# 201773 , Reply# 10   9/25/2012 at 18:13 (4,224 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845)        

wow

Post# 201774 , Reply# 11   9/25/2012 at 18:27 (4,224 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        

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Holy crap, Chad! I think you practiced remarkable restraint, considering the selection. That Citation bag is definitely a rarity. It's looks like a hybrid of the Citation plus the Convertible. That box o' supplies will come in handy, too. I bet some of those brush strips are hard to find now.

 

Congratulations.


Post# 201776 , Reply# 12   9/25/2012 at 18:31 (4,224 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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Interesting observation. Weren't most of the Citation bags wider at the top? Could this be a later replacement?

Post# 201777 , Reply# 13   9/25/2012 at 18:37 (4,224 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        

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Yes, they were wider at the top. I wonder, also, if that bag is a Convertible-era replacement bag for the Citation, as you suggested. I think all the original Citation bags had the built-in metal hanger connection on the top, similar to the Model 63 hanger (except in tan). Maybe they started making those molded-top, narrowed bags in '57, etc.

 

Fascinating.


Post# 201779 , Reply# 14   9/25/2012 at 19:40 (4,224 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        

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Wow, that looks like fun!!

Post# 201782 , Reply# 15   9/25/2012 at 20:12 (4,224 days old) by bnsd60m9200 (Akron OH)        
holy crap 704!!!!!!!

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chad those photos almost made me faint. ive been after a 704 for several months. want one bad!

Will Hemb


Post# 201787 , Reply# 16   9/25/2012 at 22:14 (4,223 days old) by vacu-finder ()        
Holy Toledo Batman....!!!!!!!!

What a find....good day or what.!

Post# 201791 , Reply# 17   9/25/2012 at 23:47 (4,223 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Quite the puzzling scenario with the Citation bag... I agree -- the early convertibles all had wide bags.  The model 66 came out in 1958 and had a narrow bag -- with the "slim silhouette" look.  I believe that early model 65s had the word "Citation" printed on the bag.  I have a picture of an early model 65, I think the photo was used on the early version of the model 65 owners manual. This photo on the clearly has the word "Citation" on the bag... but it's also a wide bag, not the narrow bag.  So I'm not sure how that timeline of wide vs. narrow bags plays into the history of that bag on Chad's machine.  Perhaps it was issued as a replacement in the late 50s? -- maybe with some bag material that was previously unused?  The hole-pattern and bag material also looks to be that of similar to the model 32... also a somewhat soft vinyl.  It's hard to tell from the pictures that are posted.  It could be the early Citation bag material as well. Is it yellow with pink letters?  The actual Citation bag was sort of a creamy yellowish-white color with red letters -- most, like mine, I think have yellowed over the years.

 

Also, the reinforcements in the bag topper (two little indentations on either side of where the spring attaches) wasn't really apparent until the spring and narrow bag combination.  My earliest machine to exhibit this is the model 32. 

 

Chad, you're going to have to do some asking around about this... perhaps to Jeff and Tom.  It's truly puzzling!  Hang on to that bag!!!

 

I'll post a few pics of what I'm talking about.


Post# 201793 , Reply# 18   9/25/2012 at 23:48 (4,223 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Closer up...


Post# 201794 , Reply# 19   9/25/2012 at 23:48 (4,223 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Original Citation bag


Post# 201795 , Reply# 20   9/25/2012 at 23:50 (4,223 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Model 32 bag, soft vinyl.  Reinforcement "divets" on either side of the spring (only one visible in this picture).


Post# 201796 , Reply# 21   9/25/2012 at 23:57 (4,223 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Better picture of the "divits" next to the spring on my model 36 bag.  Also a different vinyl material and hole pattern than the earlier model 32 bag.


Post# 201797 , Reply# 22   9/26/2012 at 00:09 (4,223 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        

Chad, I have that same narrow bag on my Citation. Back when I first got the vacuum, I posted the inquiry on the forum and basically got the same response as Fred has provided. I think it was determined that it was a later replacement bag, but found it strange they would go to the trouble of printing the model name on the bag. Nonetheless, I love my Citation and it's narrow bag, and is in my vintage rotation to use on occasion.

Post# 201807 , Reply# 23   9/26/2012 at 06:45 (4,223 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        
Stranger and stranger...

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My Citation bag has the old-style holder top like the 63 did. I have never seen a Citation with the hanger built into it like Fred's.

It will be fun to see more pictures of your new vacuums when you have a chance to work on them, Chad.


Post# 201808 , Reply# 24   9/26/2012 at 06:46 (4,223 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        

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Another view



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