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Post# 201132   9/18/2012 at 18:41 (800 days old) by Ipreferkirby (Wisconsin)        

After TTI took over Hoover (DD, Royal, Vax) do think quality stayed the same got better or worse compared to late maytag Hoovers. I had a hellish experience with a late model maytag Hoover, so my parents are getting a ... Hoover Windtunnel air, I am distrustful of anything made by TTI. So your verdict is...?




Post# 201136 , Reply# 1   9/18/2012 at 18:51 (800 days old) by vacman117 (Valparaiso, IN)        

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Most people are going to say that everything went downhill, but in my opinion, I think TTI went the same direction that Hoover would have gone in the first place. Times change and nobody can seem to accept that. A lot of the TTI Hoovers are fantastic cleaners. I own a lot of them. You will not be disappointed by the Windtunnel Air by any means. I have one and it's a very sturdy, reliable machine.

Post# 201137 , Reply# 2   9/18/2012 at 19:15 (800 days old) by sarasvacshack (Cloquet, Mn)        
We buy

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truck loads of used vac trades. TTI Hoovers are garbage and rarely in good condition. Those that are in good condition usually have the attachment holders broken off. Ours join the Bissells, Eurekas and bagless units in the great big blue storage bin (that gets picked up once a week), after having their power cords removed of course...lol.

Post# 201138 , Reply# 3   9/18/2012 at 19:26 (800 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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No one knows what Maytag/Whirlpool would have done, but I would agree that it would not have much different from what TTI is doing. But still, TTI has done some pretty bad things to the new Hoover name. For example, they have re-branded cheap DirtDevils into low-end Hoovers and shut down all manufacturing plants in North Canton, but I doubt much could have been about that anyway.

I think TTI machines are decent vacuums. Most are better than the Bissell and Eureka competitors, and the prices reflect the quality. Late Maytag Hoovers got pretty bad, like the bagless Tempo, so you will get better results with your Windtunnel Air. However, you can get much better vacuums at lower prices than the Windtunnel. The Eureka 1934 retails for $99, the Hoover Tempo(very, very nice Hoover)is $75, or a Hoover Elite is only around $100 brand new. So look at all the options for sure.



Post# 201142 , Reply# 4   9/18/2012 at 20:02 (800 days old) by Ipreferkirby (Wisconsin)        
Hoover Elite

How do you get a Hoover Elite Brand new, I thought Hoover discontunied the elite if I remember right.

Post# 201144 , Reply# 5   9/18/2012 at 20:52 (800 days old) by mieles7 (McKinney, TX)        

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Hoover makes a commercial elite. I've heard great things about it.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO mieles7's LINK


Post# 201155 , Reply# 6   9/18/2012 at 22:51 (799 days old) by Durango159 (Altoona, PA)        

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I think the products are worse. The Hoover Maytag stuff wasn't great, but for example the canister vacuum tool set stayed the same for the duration of Maytag from the Hoover Dimension 1000. Now its rare to get a Hoover canister with a bare floor brush. Most of the tools don't stay on board and some are microscopic. They have made changes to the attachment set on the Tempo too, which used to come with Hoovers original upholstery nozzle, now its a Dirt Devil Featherlite dusting brush.

It used to be Dirt Devil was a budgeted consumer line. Reasonable cleaning, great warranty but cheap lightweight design, and very loud. Hoover was on middle ground. Excellent cleaning, and reasonable durability at low cost. Royal was top notch. Mostly metal units. Now everything is merged. A Hoover Windtunnel Supreme is now a Royal home based series--same exact machine different label and color. Also the former Wal-Mart exclusive Dirt Devil Rewind with brush roll on/off is now a rebadged Royal upright- same design. None of the brands have their own unique signature anymore they're all pretty much merged. The TOL Royal SR20 canister for $600 is the suction unit on a Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary canister with higher featured power nozzle from the bagless cyclonic Hoovers. The hose looks like it is the same style as the bagless cyclonic Hoovers as well.

Hoover's "exciting" 6 year warranty Platinum line has been plagued by failures of the bagless cyclonic canister and carpet shampooer. The canister having hose problems and I think some of the wiring for the new power heads has been problematic. Otherwise the new Windtunnel power nozzle actually looks nice. The carpet shampooer has lots of technology and is a fantastic cleaning machine so I've heard but it has lots of issues.

With TTI, Hoover no longer makes their own hoses. Its a generic manufacturer. Their current carrying hoses can be seen on cheap Bissell and Dirt Devil canisters. The agitators are now CWP instead of Hoover. So the replacement brush roll for the Elite and my PowerMax canister is awful. The original Hoover green colored bags are gone. The standard bag is now a white material and is awful. Its filtration effects are a disgrace and have caused problems with my Hoovers. I now use generic bags. The Hoover museum and North Canton factories are gone, the last factory is in the process of being shut down. I'll never get to see the Hoover museum which was a dream of mine someday!!!


Post# 201161 , Reply# 7   9/18/2012 at 23:32 (799 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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Are you serious?! TTI is shutting down the Hoover Historical Museum? I just spoke to someone who worked there over email a few months ago. It just gets worse and worse........

Post# 201168 , Reply# 8   9/19/2012 at 01:24 (799 days old) by floor-a-matic (USA)        

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I hope the Hoover Historical Museum stays open!

Generally, I think Hoover products went downhill back in early 1985.

I dislike the new, "cheap" turbo brush. The ORIGINAL "WindTunnel" turbo brush was the best ever.

When did the Tempo change their tools? Why can't they go back to the button lock tools like the pre-Elite days?


Post# 201171 , Reply# 9   9/19/2012 at 03:50 (799 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

TTI---Buffoons of the vacuum cleaner world!!!when they take over a company---The Kiss of Death.

Post# 201172 , Reply# 10   9/19/2012 at 03:57 (799 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK)        

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Oh I don't know - I think TTI have been good for Vax UK. Certainly in the days before TTI were official and Vax were being given Dirt Devil U.S products to re-badge, I don't think Vax would have survived on their canister tubs alone. Yes, there was the 2 in 1 upright vacuum cleaner, the Vax Wave where you could use a tank instead of the paper dust bag, but Vax sales alone concentrated highly on their tub 3 in 1 canister vacs before dabbling with Bosch to produce the VX/AVC upright.  TTI have been good for Vax UK as far as I can see - almost all of their cylinder and uprights are Dirt Devil U.S products and now U.S Hoover products (like the Windtunnel Air).

 

The Vax Mach Air may well have been designed in the UK but I believe TTI had this design on their books giving each country their own take and enterprise to design something to each taste.


Post# 201181 , Reply# 11   9/19/2012 at 07:33 (799 days old) by myvacsrock (Adrian, MI)        
From what i've heard..

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The museum isn't even owned by TTI any more...I believe Walsh College of N. Canton bought it and plans on the museum remaining open..
Better to check before a rumor gets started about it shutting down.


Post# 201182 , Reply# 12   9/19/2012 at 07:35 (799 days old) by myvacsrock (Adrian, MI)        
Source.

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Post# 201186 , Reply# 13   9/19/2012 at 09:47 (799 days old) by Durango159 (Altoona, PA)        

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Oh wow, I am sooo terribly sorry. I thought I heard that it was shut down. Wonderful to hear that is owned by Walsh College. Ok, who wants to go on a road trip!! LOL. I can still go there someday then.

Do they still tons of vacuums to show progression over the years of styles, or did they sell a lot off?

I would love to know more info about.


Post# 201235 , Reply# 14   9/19/2012 at 18:52 (799 days old) by guardsman69 ()        

being that it was i who has been insturmental in the reinvention and recreation of hoover i believe hoover is better off today in a sea of cut throat competition and technological wars as a 37 year veteran hoover warranty sales and service dealer and their first child service then sales prodigy and with the company since the hoover family owned it and the four others after .....i will weigh in....as for branding hoover product royal ....that is done out of respect and regard for royal dealers to give them access to hoover product with in their dealerships.....i created the cr50005 and that blue branded u5491900 rebranded rOYAL UH30085 FOR THAT REASON.......we have powerful more energy efficient motors generating higher suction and as for the brush rollers made to our specs and not cwp standard replacement they make our agitation quieter and more aggressive with out warping out of balance like the original agitator....i also had a lot to do with the creation of the aniversary collection which with seven of hoovers top engineers right here with me in my showroom in may 2007.....released in 2008 for our 100th anniversary still holds its own in the ratings.....i took tons of burnt up maytag hoovers to the scrap dump when half of you were still in grade school and as for t series it is a solid vacuum if it is maintained properly .....when a consumer is shown how to from the begining they have great success with it and after i repair them under warranty .....i teach the retail consumer how to as well and it is always a success.....as for hoovers future great things are on their way and you will see hoover and its future out of this dark period and transition in a whole new light.

Post# 201319 , Reply# 15   9/20/2012 at 19:19 (798 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK)        

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What a pity it's not the same with Hoover UK.

Post# 201330 , Reply# 16   9/20/2012 at 20:06 (798 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)        

I don't mind the TTI Hoovers that still use Hoover's designs, such as the Elites, Convertible-based machines, Windtunnels, and possibly some others that they make. However, I don't like how they have blended Dirty Devil parts with Hoover as mentioned above. Honestly I agree that something would have happened even if it wasn't TTI, as manufacturing had to go to China sooner or later.

I agree as well there are better machines for the price. I much prefer a Panasonic or Kenmore to most TTI made vacuums. I think some Bissells are okay as well, I don't care much for new Eurekas other than the 1934 model mentioned above and a few others.


Post# 201368 , Reply# 17   9/21/2012 at 01:18 (797 days old) by floor-a-matic (USA)        

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Some Hoover vacs were made in China even before the TTI takeover.

Is Vax USA part of TTI or not?


Post# 201413 , Reply# 18   9/21/2012 at 20:09 (797 days old) by Ipreferkirby (Wisconsin)        

What is Vax USA (yes I do have a lot to learn)

Post# 201445 , Reply# 19   9/22/2012 at 05:11 (796 days old) by floor-a-matic (USA)        
Vax USA

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Post# 201448 , Reply# 20   9/22/2012 at 09:23 (796 days old) by Ipreferkirby (Wisconsin)        
Redirect

Redirects me to vax.com, does vax usa exist anymore?

Post# 201473 , Reply# 21   9/22/2012 at 15:07 (796 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK)        

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I dont think it exists - all of the Vax sites carry the Techtronic Industries name - so it must mean then that Vax is owned by TTI.

Post# 239076 , Reply# 22   7/5/2013 at 21:28 (510 days old) by director12 (Metuchen, NJ)        

In terms of TTi, can anyone think what were Hoover's last products before their TTi takeover?

Post# 239078 , Reply# 23   7/5/2013 at 21:36 (510 days old) by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
But Really...

NOTHING is the quality it used to be, the last real vacuum was AirWay and its gone,Kirby is still a quality mackine, but still way too big and heavy,:Bring back the D-80", Electrolux,or Aerus still has those clunky plastic wands as does Tri Star, as well as big old pistol grips, in short, nothing is user friendly,or metal anymore, its a real shame but thats the way it is.

Post# 239144 , Reply# 24   7/6/2013 at 13:02 (509 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK)        

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I agree Kencart but it seems to be the way with a lot of things. My Sony portable CD stereo that I bought last year has finally broke. It was a cheap one at cost but being a Sony model I chose it for the name and reputation despite the cheap price. I was actually willing for it to die so I could replace it with something better built, With better sound quality.

Sadly in the audio world, no one makes CD players with a speakers with a tape player and radio anymore - it seems to fallen by the way side, or rather what the brands have coerced the buyers into paying out more for - cue micro hifi systems that can't be moved around. Cue vintage stereo on an auction site then!


Post# 239273 , Reply# 25   7/7/2013 at 13:45 (508 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Even the new "old favorites) made by TTI

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are made of a different, CHEAPER plastic! You can still buy a Portapower, and the Decade 80 type Commercials. But, the black swirly plastic is different. Even the end of the Elites were cheaper plastic.

Post# 259614 , Reply# 26   12/15/2013 at 15:44 (347 days old) by director12 (Metuchen, NJ)        

Even though newer vacuums aren't built like they used to, proper care can prolong the life.

Post# 259683 , Reply# 27   12/16/2013 at 03:35 (346 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK)        

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Yes, but what defines "proper care" if you are NOT a collector?

As I've said (and others have said) the care that a collector will put into his/her collection is substantially different to how the average vacuum cleaner owner will be. Subjective use from an owner point of view will show that certain plastic vacs are better built than others, let alone the daily abusive uses from carpet cleaning to brush roll destruction that the average owner couldn't care less about.

In my experience, there is very little difference of a classic metal based upright vacuum compared to a modern vac IN THE HANDS of average Joe Public. The amount of old classic and mostly well loved vacs have been heavily abused in the hands of those who choose to use them. Average Joe Public doesn't give a fig about a bruised bumper or lighter plastics, and if it is bagless, then the likelihood that the filters haven't been well maintained merely adds to the case.

That's why there are so many threads on here from members who have "rescued kerb side" vacuums that have been thrown out. Either the owner is fed up with the vacuum, hasn't de-clogged it because they can't be bothered, or if something that is fixable to a collector, has broken off that deters the use of the vacuum in the home.




Post# 259958 , Reply# 28   12/18/2013 at 00:03 (344 days old) by gmerkt (Edmonds, WA)        

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In my own observation, this subject has something to do with there the machines are made. I don't claim to be an expert, nor do I have any inside knowledge of how TTI does their business. My experience comes from having worked on many machines made before and after TTi.

Hoover machines made in Mexico, in my opinion, are generally of a basic higher quality than those made in China. I believe Hoover still manufactures some of their legacy models there, such as the bagged self propelled Windtunnel. I've worked on these with dates as late as 2012, well after the TTI takeover. Same comment re. bagged Tempos and dual chamber bagless Windtunnels. The materials used appear to be superior, however the motors are Chinese so obviously not made in North America.

The machines sourced in China, again as a matter of my own opinion, seem to be lighter weight and plastic materials that are not as robust as those coming from Mexico. There are differences from one Chinese-made model to another. For example, the UH70000 series (Cyclonic) seems to be different enough in execution from the T Series (as another example) that they likely are made in two different plants.

And does TTI even own a factory or factories in China? Or do they just contract out to various Chinese electrical firms to make X hundred thousand machines, then move on? If they are contracting out to bidders then it makes sense that different types of plastic used, different hardware, etc. would exist from one model line to another.

Sears relied for years on Panasonic USA to supply many of their machines and the common manufacturing techniques and materials used are constant across production. However, when they sourced some machines from Phone Mate in China for a few years, you could readily see the differences in how they were made.


Post# 260001 , Reply# 29   12/18/2013 at 09:49 (344 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK)        

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I can't speak for TTI, but Panasonic UK bound vacuums are made in Mexico and they seem to be well made.




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