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Post# 199232   9/5/2012 at 05:58 (4,248 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Not many'd say she's pretty 'cause they don't realise,
Beauty is often hidden from another's eyes...

I could break into full song but won't.

Here is the picture I shall use on the wedding invitations!


Post# 199235 , Reply# 1   9/5/2012 at 06:50 (4,248 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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P.S. I was smiling on the inside!

I don't have a face that smiles very well.


Post# 199260 , Reply# 2   9/5/2012 at 10:34 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

How very cute lol - Housetrained to do the hoovering!
A trip to the barbers may be called for though Jamie?
I Notice your ranger has a brown bag, so thats another difference between the 4002 and the 4014.


Post# 199267 , Reply# 3   9/5/2012 at 10:59 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oi! It is insulation I'll have you know.

Yes I must say I do prefer the brown bag of the U4014. The bag on the U4002 looks tatty to me due to the light colour.

Still, it is what the bag is fitted to that matters, not what bag it has.

And the bag is fitted to a RANGER! The best Hoover ever made - FACT. Ha ha, can't wait to see Sebo_Fan's face when he reads that.


Post# 199274 , Reply# 4   9/5/2012 at 11:18 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

It all according to what was in fashion at the time the Hoover was made, and in the early to mid 70's - the golden colour of the bag on my 4002 was very vogue. The 70's was an era of very strange colours, and brown was very fashionable as well - I remember how many brown and mustard coloured cars were driving around back then - Austin Maxi's, Austin Allegros, Ford Cortinas etc
This is the type I mean that would have been on sale when your 77 Ranger was being made:



Post# 199277 , Reply# 5   9/5/2012 at 11:23 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

A mid 70's allegro to match the bag on my ranger lol

Post# 199279 , Reply# 6   9/5/2012 at 11:26 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oh my Lord did we ever LIKE that!?

There are a lot of good vintage items, but that Austin IS NOT ONE OF THEM!


Post# 199283 , Reply# 7   9/5/2012 at 11:30 (4,247 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Well that's the oddest colour brown that I ever saw

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Given that the bag is actually green.

 

And it is NOT a fact that the Ranger is the best Hoover ever made - far from it. There are those who will argue, and with justification, that the Turbopowers, Turbomasters, DAM/Convertable and Concept 1s (all sold here) were better. Or even the Powerplus come to that.

 

Although the fundimental design is broadly the same as all Senior models going back to the 160, the "streamlined" styling of the Ranger acts like a sound box, amplifying the noise. I am not saying that it is not a good cleaner, it is just not necessarily the best Hoover ever made.

 

Al  


Post# 199284 , Reply# 8   9/5/2012 at 11:33 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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What is it with VL and people not taking a bloody joke ?

Post# 199288 , Reply# 9   9/5/2012 at 11:48 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I think the Ranger sounds lovely compared to the likes of modern screamers like the Dyson DC07 - much softer on the ears - and that really definitive deep hum/growl of the beater bar on the carpet is what sets the old Hoovers apart from todays cheap plastic brushrolls.
Its my deepest apology for saying Jamies bag is brown - it looks that way from the pics - and in his opinion as a young guy its the best cleaner in the world. We all have opinions, and its just Jamie is very proud of his Ranger - considering its twice his age, its amazing that a 17 year old would enjoy a vintage Hoover, so he should be commended for his good taste - most kids of his age would poo-poo it and laugh at it saying it was an old relic from the museum.


Post# 199289 , Reply# 10   9/5/2012 at 11:53 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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In all fairness to Alistair I wasn't being 100% serious when I said it was the best Hoover ever made. It is a truly superb Vacuum Cleaner and the best Hoover I own, but there were better Hoovers if you look at every single model made.

Though, one thing you can't fault the Senior Ranger for is build quality. That hood is made of nice thick plastic and maybe the shape does increase the motor noise, but at least it is a GOOD motor noise! I could listen to that Hoover hum all day even if mine is accompanied with worn brush roll bearings sounding like a Cummins diesel.


Post# 199291 , Reply# 11   9/5/2012 at 12:01 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Mine needs new brushroll bearings too, they got cleaned when I got the cleaner yesterday, and there is a fair bit of play in them, but I re-greased them and they seem to sound not too bad. Might order some new ones from that site you told me about, its just I hate paying stupid postage charges for such small items, and I am sick of online sellers ripping me off with them, for instance, one retailer would sell me a pygmy bulb for 89p but then want £3.50 to post it to me, and I know it doesnt cost this much.
I will only criticise the headlamp lens which is brittle and easily damaged - I know the one on my Mothers Ranger was cracked too - maybe as a result of smacking it into furniture, but imagine the plastic on a 37 year old Dyson (when the DC07 gets to that age - in another 26 years lol) you would only have to touch it and it would snap off. I'll be 66 by the time my oldest DC07 is the same age as my Ranger - sounds crazy!


Post# 199293 , Reply# 12   9/5/2012 at 12:08 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Well the sad thing is if I want to replace the bearings in my Ranger's brush roll it looks like I'll have to buy a WHOLE NEW brush roll because one end cap comes off but the other does not, even using the pliers tip to hold the other end secure.

Oh well, whenever I have a spare £20 I'll invest in that complete brush roll I believe I gave you the link too.


Post# 199297 , Reply# 13   9/5/2012 at 12:12 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Mine came apart quite easily, the bearings both came out and the internal rod was able to be cleaned. Jamie you must persevere, and it will come apart, try putting the seized end in a jamjar containing white spirit, and this should soak in and release the threads on the end of the rod. Be careful using pliers on the rod ends as you could cross thread them!

Post# 199300 , Reply# 14   9/5/2012 at 12:19 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Once you get one of the round metal end plates off the brushroll, just pull hard on the other one, and the end plate and rod should pull out of the brushroll, you can then use a mole wrench on the seized end holding the shaft in a pair of pliers. Soaking both ends in white spirit will loosen the bearings to be able to pry them out.

Post# 199305 , Reply# 15   9/5/2012 at 12:28 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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That is why I haven't had much luck with the pliers, I don't want to bugger the threads.

I did try pulling the rod out but to no avail, perhaps I'll try again but by wedging a flat head screwdriver into the end cap and twisting.

What do you use to grease your bearings Steve ?

No, I'm not being crude...


Post# 199310 , Reply# 16   9/5/2012 at 12:37 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

If you have one end off - you need to pull the other end VERY hard, and it will come out, the rod is probably stuck to the inner bearing , and needs to be pulled hard to release it - that is why I say to soak each end in a pot of white spirit - its excellent de-greaser. Dont be defeatist - old vacs will often likely have seized parts so you have to try your best to free them - if you havent got any white spirit, use some WD40 liberally sprayed onto each end of the brusroll.

Post# 199311 , Reply# 17   9/5/2012 at 12:39 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

As for the grease - some multipurpose grease or some spray grease will do fine - dont use oil as it will come out of the bearings and stain your carpets. You can get both types of grease from the likes of Halfrauds.

Post# 199318 , Reply# 18   9/5/2012 at 12:47 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Well I use 3-In-1 for my bearings, made by the WD-40 company but it is a lubricant fair and square rather than "a bit of this, a bit of that..." which is what WD-40 is.

Talking of WD-40 though, it is in my good books today since after spraying some in the "broken" cord winder of my 2000 Electrolux Tango Z5001 cylinder the winder works again like brand new! It hasn't worked since I bought it, I figured the spring had gone but nothing a "toolkit in a can" can't solve.


Post# 199319 , Reply# 19   9/5/2012 at 12:47 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

When pulling the rod out of the brushroll, the bearing may come out with it, so pay attention and dont lose any of the washers that may also come out!. If the bearings are absolutely shot, then be prepared for one of them or both to seperate when removed and the ball bearings inside the race to drop out. At least you will then be able to order the bearings without the expense of having to replace the entire brushroll. Note which way they go into the brushroll recesses as well as they only fit in one way round.

Post# 199321 , Reply# 20   9/5/2012 at 12:51 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Yep, I'm aware of the "dangers".

The real irony of it all is that the seller said he had put new bearings in prior to the sale!

Yeah, really sounds like it mate.

I only paid £35 including postage though so I didn't mention it.


Post# 199326 , Reply# 21   9/5/2012 at 12:56 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        
Grease

I wouldnt use 3 in 1 - its too light for bearings, its OK for lubing hinges and locks, but grease for bearings as they rotate very fast and produce considerable heat if not lubed correctly. Here's what I use, the pot on the left is real grease, thick and ideal for packing the bearings, or spray some spray grease into the ball race.

Post# 199327 , Reply# 22   9/5/2012 at 12:58 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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How would you get the grease into the bearings ? They don't separate so it would be pretty damn hard!

The spray stuff - I may look into buying some of that.


Post# 199330 , Reply# 23   9/5/2012 at 13:02 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Actually, I've just remembered the Pound shop down the road sells some 151 spray grease, or at least my memory tells me that...

What my memory TELLS me and what is actually correct often differ though.


Post# 199334 , Reply# 24   9/5/2012 at 13:09 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The bearings on the Ranger's brushroll are not the sealed type that are found on the modern variety of brushrolls (like my Dyson DC07). when you remove the bearing, look at it and you will see the 2 halves have a small gap between them through which you can see the tiny balls inside the race. Depending on how worn the bearing is, there will be some play between the inner and outer race - and if really bad, then the 2 race will seperate and the inner ball bearings will drop out. You need to clean the bearings in some white spirit or turps, get all the crap out of them, then pack the grease through the gap into the ball race, or spray some spray grease through into the ball race, and let it dry. Mine were badly jammed up at one end with hairs, so needed a good clean up.

Post# 199336 , Reply# 25   9/5/2012 at 13:14 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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In my opinion if the bearings are filthy inside it would be better to replace them if you can buy them cheaply enough.

Post# 199338 , Reply# 26   9/5/2012 at 13:19 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

On the link you gave me - go to the bottom of the page and you will see a pair of bearings for £4.07 + postage. This is all you need, and lube them through the little slit you can see just under the tops.

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Post# 199339 , Reply# 27   9/5/2012 at 13:22 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I'd inspect them and clean them first though, its up to you, but if the brushroll is in otherwise good nick, then its madness to buy the complete brushroll just for the want of new bearings.

Post# 199340 , Reply# 28   9/5/2012 at 13:23 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"and lube them through the little slit" It's a good thing I have a clean mind :)

Post# 199341 , Reply# 29   9/5/2012 at 13:24 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Bearings are Here as well, cheaper price and the same thing:



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Post# 199342 , Reply# 30   9/5/2012 at 13:27 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

If you really do have to have a complete brushroll, then this aftermarket one by Qualtex looks OK for the price:



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Post# 199343 , Reply# 31   9/5/2012 at 13:30 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Yep that is the one I'd go for.

I know I always say to use only Genuine Hoover parts but there really aren't any Hoover brush rolls available anymore for the Seniors and the ones that are want silly money for them.


Post# 199345 , Reply# 32   9/5/2012 at 13:44 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Yes Jamie, thats very true, and the older your Ranger gets, the less genuine spares will be available, until the point when you cant even get genuine H1 bags or V5 belts. Aftermarket isnt always crap, and in some cases may even be better than the original. Say you had a pack of 2 belts for your Ranger that were genuine Hoover ones - they had been stored in some cold warehouse for years having been made a long time ago - the rubber will deteriorate with age, and so these belts may be of not much use as they will break quickly when put into service. Then say I buy a pair of Qualtex belts for the Ranger made only last year, they will be better due to not being stored for years, although they are non genuine. I have ordered aftermarket belts for this reason, but have ordered genuine bags. I just dont know what conditions the original Hoover belts were stored under before being sold, or how old they are. I will post back about the aftermarket belts in due course. It has an aftermarket belt fitted now anyway by the last owner.

Post# 199351 , Reply# 33   9/5/2012 at 13:57 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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No doubt Hoover will stop making H1 bags and V5 belts some day, but for the day that happens I'll buy bags and belts in bulk when I have an income.

I must admit, I have a generic belt on my Ranger just now because I got a free pack of generic belts from a brilliant eBayer and don't want to waste them. Once they are finished (which won't be too long if I know generics!) I will be buying Genuine Hoover belts and NOTHING BUT.


Post# 199357 , Reply# 34   9/5/2012 at 14:08 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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On the subject of those generic belts in question, you really can tell what Hoover means when they say only the Genuine parts are made to the rigorous specifications, because when I put one of the brand new generic belts on the Ranger, I didn't even have to pull hard at all - it just stretched over the pulley with no resistance.

Plus when I used it today although the belt wasn't slipping, I could hear it slapping against the metal belt guard due to the fact it has too much slack in it.

Lets look at the cost difference; £2 for one generic belt or £4 for two Genuine (current eBay approximate prices).

Think about it for a second and taking the fact that Genuine belts last longer out of the equation, you aren't spending any more money full stop!

The fact they last longer just goes to show how much you are saving by doing the right thing and trusting the manufacturer to keep your machine running smoothly.


Post# 199365 , Reply# 35   9/5/2012 at 14:24 (4,247 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

But do they last longer? at twice the price of aftermarket belts, do they last twice the time? what you pick up with the cleaner also affects the belt life, as anything hard (metal shards/coins/stones etc) will damage the belt due to its exposed design to the dirt passing over it and its pulley. Also, deep pile carpet will shorten the life as it puts more strain on the belt - the same goes for using the cleaner at too low a carpet pile setting, putting strain on the belt too. I think round belts that are exposed like on the old dirty fan cleaners just dont last very long compared to the flat belts that are seperated from the dirt as on a modern clean fan cleaner.
Of course, whether its a dirty fan or a clean fan, if there is no clutch then both belts will snap if the brushroll is jammed.
Whilst I may agree with you Jamie about the bags, genuine Hoover are probably better than cheapo aftermarket as they are more permeable - I cant prove this yet. My ranger has an aftermarket bag on it, and its empty at the moment. I will see how long it takes for airflow to be compromised badly on this bag, then on a genuine H1 bag that I have on order.


Post# 199368 , Reply# 36   9/5/2012 at 14:34 (4,247 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Twice the price BUT twice the belts Steve!

Post# 199566 , Reply# 37   9/6/2012 at 11:01 (4,246 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Just thought Jamie - you could use that picture of you with your long pipe and your Ranger to send to a prospective employer for a cleaning job - shows them how enthusiastic you are about hoovering - but you may have to use a Henry though, as many cleaning firms or employers will give you a commercial cleaner to use. Oh and you will have to learn how to clean toilets and empty bins lol

Post# 199575 , Reply# 38   9/6/2012 at 11:24 (4,246 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I doubt it would make any difference Steve.

I will make a similar picture with my Henry though, thanks for the idea.


Post# 199628 , Reply# 39   9/6/2012 at 13:52 (4,246 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
What is it with VL and people not taking a bloody joke ?

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Have you ever stopped and thought for a moment that maybe the problem is you and not everyone else? Maybe you're just not funny....


Post# 199647 , Reply# 40   9/6/2012 at 14:46 (4,246 days old) by papasvacs (Lauderdale Lakes, FL)        
A word from "across the pond"

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A good, informative thread going here. 

Hope Jamie gets lots of information.  So nice to see a young person with a constructive hobby. 

Let's try not to get nasty and spoil the thread.


Post# 199668 , Reply# 41   9/6/2012 at 16:37 (4,246 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I hope that was said with love Chris!

Post# 199677 , Reply# 42   9/6/2012 at 16:57 (4,246 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

To be fair, the problems are with a good deal of people who choose to view things through negative eyes, rather than take something at face value, or, failing that, say nothing at all. However, pack-mentality and tribalism is of course a natural instinct and in that sense it is easy to see why the internet is in the state it is.

As for the Ranger, I too thing there are other machines which compare more favourably to it, although seeing how the Powerplus range has been mentioned, I must suggest that for me, the Ranger was always superior for a number of reasons. Firstly, I always considered the metal chassis to be far more durable, though it is also fair to say I saw very few examples of later cleaners with plastic chassis that has encountered damage.

Secondly, I preferred the round, soft-grip handle. Time and again I sold replacement handles for these Seniors, as the hard plastic insert-style handles would often snap. I also felt the round handle was more comfortable.

Thirdly, Hoover did build the handle release pedal and on/off switch into one convenient foot pedal, which for upright use was jolly handy, but when using tools could be difficult and it was essential that the user gripped the handle when switching off and on, as the handle could well come crashing down, particularly when switching off, as the inflated dustbag would pull down on the freshly released handle. Indeed I do recall one woman informing me of such an incident happening in her home, the result of which was a broken ornament and broken handle, would you believe it, as both came down with a crash as the handle was released accidentally.

On the other side, I think we can all agree that the front-facing pan converter hose assembly was a much needed and much welcome change from the rear-facing hose connector. It provided more suction than older models, even when those older cleaners were running at high speed. I also much preferred the cable hooks as these were far stronger.


Post# 199721 , Reply# 43   9/6/2012 at 18:59 (4,246 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

Well Jamie, first of all I hope you are able to find a job. And since I have repaired my convertible 707 I have warmed up to them. They may not have been the overall best hoovers ever, but there is something simply magical about them.

Scott


Post# 199785 , Reply# 44   9/7/2012 at 08:51 (4,245 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)        
Removing agitator shaft

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Unscrew one end cap, then get a hammer and holding the agitator with the unscrewed end pointing upwards, drive the shaft down sharply until it comes out. Pulling on the end cap at the other side or using pliers at the far end is unlikely to get you anywhere.

Get a mole grip wrench and lock it onto the shaft fairly close to the end you wish to unscrew; it will then come off.

In severe cases, the bearing may have collapsed in the housing and it helps if you can leave the bearing housings soaking for a while to aid removal of the remains, especially if they are the alloy kind. You will probably find you can use the shaft to knock these out if necessary. The threads are unlikely to be damaged if you use the right technique with the hammer..though if they are can be cleaned up with a small file.

The hardest ones I've found to get out have been some 1930s Hoovers, which have a different design with the bearing housings riveted in. In one severe case I used an oxy-gas torch to free off the remains of the old bearing in the housing. However, usually the bearing shell, if it separates from the main part of the bearing and gets stuck in the housing, can be removed with a punch from the inside, with the housing resting across jaws of a vice, which are opened in the centre.

Hope this helps, should do because I've been getting hundreds out like that for 25 years and never had one that didn't come out!

Stephen


Post# 200115 , Reply# 45   9/9/2012 at 22:00 (4,243 days old) by Real1 ()        
First of all.....

very cute pic of  Jamie (or very handsome if you insist). WD-40 is nothing but a water displacement formulation, hence the initials 'WD'.  Great for spraying wet distributor caps and the like. It's a very poor lubricant, because...it's not a lubricant at all and despite rumors to the contrary, it's a piss-poor rust penetrant as well.. Dozens of other products eclipse it. And...you're making some US family dynasty richer and richer by buying it. Just because you can hunt around and find a gallon of it on sale for less than $10, doesn't make it a 'good' product.

 

The 3-IN-ONE company does make a bearing oil. It's called MOTOR OIL and is about SAE 20wt. It's perfect for motor bearings 1/4hp and larger. It comes in a blue & white can...different than their hinge-oiler formula.Wink

 

Kevin


Post# 200126 , Reply# 46   9/9/2012 at 23:47 (4,243 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        

I like the colors and style of that Hoover. I see a military olive green color. It seems brown/green mixed. Strange, but that's why I like it.

Post# 200326 , Reply# 47   9/11/2012 at 16:04 (4,241 days old) by luxman107 (USA )        

I absolutely love the expression you Brits use for vacuuming. "hoovering ". :)

Post# 200327 , Reply# 48   9/11/2012 at 16:16 (4,241 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Its an actual word, meaning to hoover, or to vacuum clean.
Try limiting a search on Ebay UK to those Hoover branded cleaners, as everyone calls vacuums hoovers here regardless of wether they are Hoover cleaners or not.
Hence the terms "Vacuum hoover", "Dyson hoover", "I hoovered up with the Sebo"

Its a trademark erosion - caused by the fact that most homes vacuumed with a Hoover in the olden days, and the name stuck, just used without the capital H.

See Wikipedia:


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Post# 420113 , Reply# 49   2/17/2020 at 14:46 (1,526 days old) by Rdwdcp (UK)        

nice hoover


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