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Thread Number: 18070
My new Hoover Constellation and 119 Junior |
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| Post# 197428 , Reply# 1 8/26/2012 at 03:22 (4,255 days old) by markus79 (Finland) | ||
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Hoover 867A Constellation I love these old style yellow dustbags=) 
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| Post# 197430 , Reply# 2 8/26/2012 at 03:25 (4,255 days old) by markus79 (Finland) | ||
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Hoover 867A constellation a double instulated model with the white cable. There are not any scraches in this paint. 
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| Post# 197432 , Reply# 3 8/26/2012 at 03:26 (4,255 days old) by markus79 (Finland) | ||
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Hoover 867A constellation Type plate. 600W motor 
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| Post# 197433 , Reply# 4 8/26/2012 at 03:27 (4,255 days old) by markus79 (Finland) | ||
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Hoover 867A constellation non floating model with the blowing function. 
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| Post# 197434 , Reply# 5 8/26/2012 at 03:30 (4,255 days old) by markus79 (Finland) | ||
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Hoover Constellation I found this catalog picture of walk on air-Hoover. This must be our only floating model in Finland!! Funny because I thought there are not any of them=) 
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| Post# 197435 , Reply# 6 8/26/2012 at 03:32 (4,255 days old) by markus79 (Finland) | ||
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Hoover 119 Junior There he is=) This must be from early 1950īs 
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| Post# 197436 , Reply# 7 8/26/2012 at 03:33 (4,255 days old) by markus79 (Finland) | ||
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Hoover 119 junior in quite a nice shape 
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| Post# 197437 , Reply# 8 8/26/2012 at 03:36 (4,255 days old) by markus79 (Finland) | ||
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Hoover 119 Junior A type plate 
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| Post# 197438 , Reply# 9 8/26/2012 at 03:37 (4,255 days old) by markus79 (Finland) | ||
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Hoover 119 Junior Front. I have somewhere the hose and nozzles which came with this vacuum but maybe I found them some day=) 
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| Post# 197444 , Reply# 10 8/26/2012 at 05:34 (4,255 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 197451 , Reply# 11 8/26/2012 at 06:33 (4,255 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR) | ||
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| Post# 197524 , Reply# 13 8/26/2012 at 15:51 (4,254 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 197570 , Reply# 15 8/27/2012 at 04:49 (4,254 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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I did think it went on at least until the 1960s but wasn't 100% sure (I'm not all that knowledgeable on Constellations) hence my asking.
I hope it didn't sound like I was being cheeky, I really wasn't. If it did, I am sorry. Thank you for the extra information though, I never knew the UK had a non-floating Constellation, I thought the Celebrity was the non-floating Hoover cylinder of the time, but I shouldn't be surprised I was wrong about that since those two models are the ones I know least about. | ||
| Post# 197572 , Reply# 16 8/27/2012 at 04:54 (4,254 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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There were two celebrity cleaners in the UK, one had wheels and automatic cordwinder, the other lay very flat on the floor and would float too. Although the Constellation was a popular cleaner, I didn't think a choice of floating vacuum was ever necessary. | ||
| Post# 197577 , Reply# 17 8/27/2012 at 05:14 (4,254 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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That is interesting - so there was a Celebrity which was more basic than the Constellation and a Celebrity which was more advanced. The Constellation was a half way house so to speak.
I personally don't see a real need for it either, there after all was nothing wrong with wheels, or even the sliders to a certain extent, but the floating idea did take off (as a gimmick or not that is debatable) but hey ho, it makes it what it is today - a desirable classic. It is a bit like the Dyson "ball" I suppose, something which some say makes things easier and some see right through, but they all consider buying... Well, except for me, I hate Dysons... | ||
| Post# 197582 , Reply# 18 8/27/2012 at 05:41 (4,254 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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The Celebrity Air-ride, which was the floating model, was comparable to the Constellation. The main difference was it's size. It was like a squashed Constellation. I think also it had telescopic tubes, being from the USA. | ||
| Post# 197583 , Reply# 19 8/27/2012 at 05:43 (4,254 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 197587 , Reply# 21 8/27/2012 at 05:56 (4,254 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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This was the other Celebrity on sale in the UK, although the UK model had no P N. CLICK HERE TO GO TO vintagerepairer's LINK on eBay | ||
| Post# 197588 , Reply# 22 8/27/2012 at 06:00 (4,254 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 197636 , Reply# 24 8/27/2012 at 14:42 (4,253 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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I love the connies and use both my original one and maytag satellite regularly, very quirky little retro vacuums. ultimately, I think they're still quite an effective machine, they don't do a terrible job on carpets and they're lovely to use for the above the floor stuff. 
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| Post# 197640 , Reply# 25 8/27/2012 at 16:08 (4,253 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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How would you say the Constellations perform on carpets with the standard floor tool Ryan ?
I know a pet hate of mine is "scrubbing" a carpet with a straight suction cylinder which is why I keep my cylinders for hard flooring mainly, but perhaps the Connie is better ? Reason being, I'm THINKING of perhaps looking into buying one for my collection. | ||
| Post# 197644 , Reply# 28 8/27/2012 at 17:11 (4,253 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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My Connie floor tool.. 
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| Post# 197645 , Reply# 29 8/27/2012 at 17:13 (4,253 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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excuse the dirt lol, but you can see the red comb strip and brushes in this one.. 
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| Post# 197717 , Reply# 30 8/28/2012 at 09:33 (4,252 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London) | ||
Constellation
Congratulations on more great finds Markus.
Firstly what a great 119, it is a very long time since I saw one on such good condition. Can you let us know the serial number and perhaps we might be able to get a date of the cleaner for you. From what you have told is I expect that Hoover upright cleaners were rare in Finland. You are particularly lucky that the handle appears to be original and intact - these often dry up and crumble away. Now for the Constellation. Is that an original colour for this machine? It looks great but I wonder from what seems to be paint spray from the inside of the top of the cleaner. But once again more detail differences between cleaners of different territories ...... This is the earlier style of flipover nozzle only ever seen here on the TOL Conquest model - eventually all models had the flip over (until the pedal style that Benny describes on the Freedom) but with plastic coupling and hoover roundel on the front - as Markus demonstrates from his catalogue scan other constellations in Finland had this version with the metal coupling. Again Markus, could this hose be a replacement? That style of suction control was only seen here on the Harlequin (419/429), Conquest (507) models and Comvertable/DAM models. Although the constellation always had one right back to the 822 (and the 822 might have been the first UK suction cleaner to have such a suction control) it was of a smaller design - I was going to say simpler but it does not get much simpler than this. Back with the catalogue for a moment - although that style floor nozzle was used with early models 417G, by the mid 1960s (around the time of Smoke Pine/Swedish Green) it had been dropped here in favour of the larger white floor nozzle as with Ryan's Constellation. That smaller style nozzle did carry on here on the Hooverette until production ended. The 417 shown in the catalogue had the later style flipover nozzle - it was not in production long - it was the last version being replaced after amost 20 years by the updated styling 427. Benny, I hate to correct you but in fact there were four different nozzles on the Constellation - you are absoluly correct for Constellation 862 onwards, but the 822 and 822a had separate carpet and hard floor nozzles - the floor nozzle was similar in style to the white one used on Senior/Harlequin models (in fact first seen on the 417 in 1953, but first series only - on 417C & E variants it reverted back to the earlier 402 style). The carpet nozzle was similar to the US Aerodyne nozzle again first seen on the first 417 series but dropped on the 417c onwards. I would agree with what I think is the general opinion here that the white carpet nozzle that Ryan shows just above was actually pretty good at cleaning carpets - much better than the earlier or following versions - when I bought my Maytag Satellite I did a comparison with my 867A and although the Satallite was much better I was surprised at just how good the white nozzle was. Markus, it is interesting insight into the Finland manufacturing facility, in some Hoover documentation I have from 1958 they describe it as being their own facility although perhaps they sold it off at some stage to the CEO. Al | ||
| Post# 197732 , Reply# 32 8/28/2012 at 11:46 (4,252 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 197733 , Reply# 33 8/28/2012 at 11:47 (4,252 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 197758 , Reply# 35 8/28/2012 at 14:49 (4,252 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 197761 , Reply# 36 8/28/2012 at 14:57 (4,252 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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No Jamie, Hoover used to have buckles on the back of the tubes on some of the oldest cleaners made after the 612. They also had straight push fit tubes on some cylinders, before standardising the fitting to a buckle on the front. This would have been early 1950's. | ||
| Post# 197767 , Reply# 37 8/28/2012 at 15:46 (4,252 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 197770 , Reply# 39 8/28/2012 at 16:18 (4,252 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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Speaking of which... The 1983 Hoover Powervac.. 
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| Post# 197771 , Reply# 40 8/28/2012 at 16:19 (4,252 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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page 2 the cheaper version.. 
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| Post# 197772 , Reply# 41 8/28/2012 at 16:19 (4,252 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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Super.. 
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| Post# 197773 , Reply# 42 8/28/2012 at 16:20 (4,252 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 197774 , Reply# 43 8/28/2012 at 16:20 (4,252 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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back page.. 
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| Post# 197777 , Reply# 44 8/28/2012 at 16:23 (4,252 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 197779 , Reply# 45 8/28/2012 at 16:24 (4,252 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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wow not bad for a Metro lol | ||
| Post# 197782 , Reply# 46 8/28/2012 at 16:27 (4,252 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 197806 , Reply# 48 8/28/2012 at 17:38 (4,252 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London) | ||
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Pip and clip
Benny
An interesting topic you have raised, inspite of the background noise. As far as I am aware all Hoover cleaners had some sort of locking mechanism going right back to the start. The mechanism was updated and simplified with the introduction of the 160 and 375, which also brought in lighter weight wands and tools. The first sign of friction fit tools appears in the UK with the model 402 in 1948 and I believe model 50 in the USA although later versions of that cleaner adopted a locking mechanism again. Although the tool kit for the model 119 was superficially the same as the earlier 375 it too was friction fit although those of the 612 retained the earlier locking mechanism. In the UK the first sign of "pip and clip", what came to become the Hoover standard, was first seen here in the model 417 in 1953. Curiously these were on the underside of the wands, tools etc. - the only time as far as i am aware they were seen in that position. In 1956 with the introduction of the Constellation and 638 and the "blue" colour scheme with the first stretch hoses in the UK the pip and clip arrangement moved to the upper side where it stayed. But for some curious reason the 417 reverted back to the earlier style friction fit tools - the only model to have them, even dustettes had pip and clip tools. At this time the 417 was somewhat downgraded, presumably to help differentiate it from the Constellation (although there was little difference in price) and probably to reduce cost - a stupid measure as it involved the maintenance of a completely separate inventory line for that one model until 1962 or so when the 417G was introduced - all the tools and wands were unique to that model, where they were consistant across the rest of the range. To the best of my knowledge, pip and clip (or pip and locking ring) were maintaned here until the end of the 1980s until the launch of the Galaxy although some models retained the locking ring method until the early 1990s. Turbopowers and turbomasters with on board tools had friction fit tools but I do not know when the other models (like the Turbopower Junior) lost their pip and ring fitting. Al | ||
| Post# 197816 , Reply# 49 8/28/2012 at 17:50 (4,252 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London) | ||
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119 Date
Markus
Does the 119 number beging with the letter K or KG. If KG then yours is one of the very last 119 models produced from the latter part of 1956. Thank you for posting the picture of the Constellation which again confirms the suction control for this model and the metal coupling flip over nozzle. Curious too that it shows an upholstry brush rather than the upholstry nozzle. I hope you can see the paragraph in the attached scan about housewives in Finland demanding more Hoover washing machines :) And you do realise that we shall be GREEN with envy (especially is it is green) when you post the pictures of your new Portable for such a great price, you seem to be having great luck at the moment :) Al 
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| Post# 197918 , Reply# 51 8/29/2012 at 06:34 (4,252 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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Alistair.. Changing the subject briefly, did you get my email about the 417 Alistair? Ryan | ||
| Post# 197939 , Reply# 52 8/29/2012 at 08:25 (4,252 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London) | ||
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Just as well you mentioned it Ryan | ||
| Post# 198043 , Reply# 53 8/29/2012 at 15:46 (4,251 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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cool lol well give me a shout when you find it :) Ryan | ||
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