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Post# 193358   8/5/2012 at 13:55 (4,279 days old) by ned_flanders ()   |   | |
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I recently came upon this video and was surprised by the results. Do you think it's a fair test? Why or why not? CLICK HERE TO GO TO ned_flanders's LINK |
Post# 193382 , Reply# 2   8/5/2012 at 16:38 (4,279 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)   |   | |
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Plus the Miele probably needs a new bag and filter too. |
Post# 193399 , Reply# 3   8/5/2012 at 18:21 (4,279 days old) by director12 ()   |   | |
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All Miele parts tend to not be cheap. |
Post# 193417 , Reply# 4   8/5/2012 at 21:26 (4,278 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)   |   | |
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When you pay 700+ for a machine you should be prepared to maintain it... |
Post# 193449 , Reply# 7   8/5/2012 at 23:24 (4,278 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)   |   | |
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That Miele is a new model but it needs a cleaning. Clean the agitator housing, pull the strings off the brushroll. I want to see how the bag and filters look. Also there are 2 switches on the handle. I think those Mieles are similar to the Riccar Tandem air system? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
The Riccar Tandem air system uses direct and clean air design fan systems. Two different suction systems for dirt removal and the agitation shown in some youtube videos of the Riccars look phenomenal. That Kirby inside is brand new/ spotless, and no bag installed so it has full airflow capacity. |
Post# 193463 , Reply# 9   8/6/2012 at 00:49 (4,278 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Brandon is right No machine will clean a carpet through one hundred percent. I once went up against a Kirby in a demo with this situation, so I asked the guy to put a clean pad in and vacuum the area again and wow the pad was dirty. So I said If your machine cleans so well why did it leave all the dirt behind. The guy was stumped.
A friend owns a Kirby dealership here and he told me that they have stopped doing this test because the husband ( who is not wanting to spend a fortune on a vacuum ) will often take there Bag less Electrolux or Bissell empty it out and then vacuum the area were the Kirby has Just been and pull out loads of dirt. This is a cheap nasty TRICK that has been used for years to Scare housewives. Put that devise on the Miele and you will get the same result. I own both those machines and they are both very good vacuums |
Post# 193518 , Reply# 10   8/6/2012 at 12:37 (4,278 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)   |   | |
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The rule usually goes "The one who goes first is the looser." |
Post# 193534 , Reply# 12   8/6/2012 at 15:01 (4,278 days old) by joshdonnell ()   |   | |
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Not a fair test. |
Post# 193609 , Reply# 14   8/6/2012 at 18:35 (4,278 days old) by director12 ()   |   | |
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I'm betting Miele, Bissell, any Hoover Elite you have, or even your Kenmores and Fantoms can outclean a Kirby any day, even your grandmother's Heritage II from 1985. |
Post# 193622 , Reply# 16   8/6/2012 at 20:36 (4,278 days old) by joshdonnell ()   |   | |
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So are you saying miele's cant pull as much as a kirby? How about a Hyla |
Post# 193624 , Reply# 17   8/6/2012 at 21:00 (4,278 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Thing is...people - as collectors we can discuss until the cows come home, the differences between tandem air, clean air and dirty fan air - we can argue that Kirby is better than Miele and in some respects I feel it is a unfair judgement - having used both I'd hazard that whilst the Miele is a far more modern vacuum, I'd probably go for the Kirby because I know that I would be buying quality but not at the prices that the UK sell them at!
But end of the day buyers aren't going to know unless they are clued up. When someone sees a video like that at an online site, they'll automatically think that the Kirby does a good job. It's the usual Kirby trick - we had that too when we had a demo many years ago; but my parents weren't embarrassed by the dirt that our old Hoover Junior left behind; my father being the pragmatist and economist in the family put the Kirby salesman out of his misery - when all things considered, at the end of the day when you have a busy day job, you don't have time to wheel out something as big as a Kirby when a compact machine like Hoover's Junior will suffice. My father's opinion was that if the dirt can't be seen on the carpet, then the carpet is clean.
But it also depends on the actual person at the time who is getting the demo - whether they are prepared to put up with what kind of dirt is left behind or the dirt that they can actually see that their own vacuum is picking up and what it is leaving behind. Tie that in with doing the opposite - using the Kirby FIRST and then the Miele and you'd probably find that the Miele picks up what the Kirby leaves behind - it isn't really a fair set up of showing a machine verses another, because there are other variables to take into consideration, not just what Trebor suggests here but also for the fact that just because you can't see the dirt in the bag, doesn't mean it isn't there.
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Post# 193891 , Reply# 22   8/8/2012 at 15:33 (4,276 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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At the end of the day it comes down to convincing the customer and most times the customer is convinced. Whether they keep there new expensive vacuum is a different story.
I can only speak for my country , I just looked through our a few of our local on-line classifieds, 35 Kirby sentria's for sale 12 other older kirby models, 14 of the sentrias claim to be hardly used bought with in the past 6 months with slips to prove it.( I checked not the same customers ) This tells me one thing , That customers are easily wowed by the sales ticks but like many of my customers who have traded in one find it to cumber sum to use day to day. I have a commercial twin motor tank vacuum with a PN on it, It will not only out clean the kirby but suck it up too, I tried to make a separator tank for it using a 55g oil drum and it crushed it with its suction. Best yet I could by 4 of them for the price of One Kirby but its impossible to use and inconvenient. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how well it cleans when it is to much effort to use it, remember some people just don't enjoy vacuuming ( shocker ) One thing is did see aswell, you will battle to find any one selling there Rainbow, Miele, Dyson, Sebo or thermax. There was one of each for sale, all old models |