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Thread Number: 17778
Help please - Hoover Turbopower 1000 bit the dust... |
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| Post# 192938 8/3/2012 at 08:14 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
I decided to use the 1994 Hoover Turbopower 1000 today as it had been sitting for a couple of weeks. I did all the upstairs carpets which took about 15 minutes and it worked perfectly, adjusting up and down on Autosense as required, no problems.
I shut it off, unplugged it and went downstairs then plugged it in and proceeded to vacuum the carpet in the hall way. Again, no issues. Once I'd done that, I put it in the upright position (still running on low Autosense), moved the height adjustment to Shag/Tools, pulled the hose out and attached the extension tubes then all of a sudden the pitch changed from the quiet smooth hum to a really dull noise and it sounded like the motor had slowed down to about half the speed it was running at and a smell of burnt rubber was apparent. I immediately thought I'd caught a bit of thread in the brush roll and it wasn't spinning so I turned it off and checked the brush roll, which was fine and spinning freely... I took the base plate off just to make sure and everything was fine. I thought maybe there WAS a bit of thread stuck but it sorted itself out just as I turned it off - that was possible. So I turned it back on again and it sounded even worse than before, sort of like a cat being strangled, plus the burning rubber smell was even stronger. It smelled like the belt was burning up but it couldn't be because the brush roll was rotating FINE. I then checked the hose for suction and there was hardly any, despite the Bag Full/Blockage light not illuminating. I turned it off again and checked for a blockage, which there was none, I even replaced the bag just to be sure, but when restarted it still had pessimal suction, probably due to the motor running VERY slow. Please tell me my old faithful Hoover hasn't died a horrible death ? I'll give you a link to a video I'm uploading at the moment when it uploads so you can hear it, but perhaps you can help even without it. I really don't know, all I know is I'm very sad that my favourite vacuum has let me down. | ||
| Post# 192944 , Reply# 1 8/3/2012 at 08:58 (4,277 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 192947 , Reply# 2 8/3/2012 at 09:07 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 192951 , Reply# 4 8/3/2012 at 09:12 (4,277 days old) by Scaniabebe () | ||
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Agh, bad luck mate... Maybe you could buy a cheap one of eBay, and extange the motors? Or, just buy a good condition used unit, and get rid of the old? Still, Rest in Piece, Turbopower.... | ||
| Post# 192953 , Reply# 5 8/3/2012 at 09:17 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 192954 , Reply# 6 8/3/2012 at 09:19 (4,277 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas) | ||
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Sounds like possibly the carbons have gone. | ||
| Post# 192955 , Reply# 7 8/3/2012 at 09:21 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 192956 , Reply# 8 8/3/2012 at 09:23 (4,277 days old) by Scaniabebe () | ||
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So, it might not be such a big job as first thought. When they break. There's often that kind of sound. That's maybe because the springs are toutching the motor or what's left of the Brushes might have moved out of position... | ||
| Post# 192957 , Reply# 9 8/3/2012 at 09:25 (4,277 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas) | ||
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Well, not exactly, since you ran it with this problem, there might be dammage to the motor itself. Sorry. Scott | ||
| Post# 192958 , Reply# 10 8/3/2012 at 09:27 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 192959 , Reply# 11 8/3/2012 at 09:31 (4,277 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas) | ||
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I would try keeping your eye out for a donor on ebay, or other local listings and use it for parts. Scott | ||
| Post# 192960 , Reply# 12 8/3/2012 at 09:35 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 192966 , Reply# 13 8/3/2012 at 10:30 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 192970 , Reply# 14 8/3/2012 at 10:44 (4,277 days old) by thevacuumlover1 () | ||
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another one bites da fluff and another one gone, and another one gone another one bites the fluff. | ||
| Post# 192987 , Reply# 15 8/3/2012 at 11:35 (4,277 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
Jamie, | ||
| Post# 192989 , Reply# 16 8/3/2012 at 11:44 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 192990 , Reply# 17 8/3/2012 at 11:50 (4,277 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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sounds like its completely burnt out to me. sorry mate | ||
| Post# 192993 , Reply# 19 8/3/2012 at 11:57 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 192995 , Reply# 20 8/3/2012 at 12:00 (4,277 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England) | ||
Jamie | ||
| Post# 192997 , Reply# 21 8/3/2012 at 12:19 (4,277 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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to clean the commutator up Jamie you'll need a comm stick, however if its not too bad, it can be done with a bit of wet & dry. If the commutator does appear black and charred, its probably a goner and cleaning it won't do much good. You're better off trying to find another motor. | ||
| Post# 193004 , Reply# 22 8/3/2012 at 12:24 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193009 , Reply# 23 8/3/2012 at 12:33 (4,277 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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when you've got it out obviously check to see if the carbon(s) have completely gone, if not post a clear pic of the commutator to show how bad it is. check for any charred sections or heavy scoring | ||
| Post# 193020 , Reply# 26 8/3/2012 at 13:05 (4,277 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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A comm stick…. CLICK HERE TO GO TO ryry_87's LINK | ||
| Post# 193023 , Reply# 28 8/3/2012 at 13:08 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193027 , Reply# 29 8/3/2012 at 13:19 (4,277 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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god its been years since I've had one of those apart, i've got a feeling it should be 4 screws holding the motor casing on? 2 at top and 2 down the bottom. You might have to ask Ric or Benny for help on that | ||
| Post# 193030 , Reply# 30 8/3/2012 at 13:31 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193034 , Reply# 32 8/3/2012 at 13:37 (4,277 days old) by Scaniabebe () | ||
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Another one, but this one looks slightly different and is Red!;) CLICK HERE TO GO TO Scaniabebe's LINK on eBay | ||
| Post# 193036 , Reply# 33 8/3/2012 at 13:40 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193037 , Reply# 34 8/3/2012 at 13:44 (4,277 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas) | ||
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Jamie, did you check to see if the bag door was covering the screws? Also, Jason the red hoover is a dirty fan machine and does not have the same motor as Jamie's hoover. Scott | ||
| Post# 193040 , Reply# 35 8/3/2012 at 13:48 (4,277 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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The clicking noise is a lifted segment from the commutator catching the brushes. So as Ryry suggested, the motor has had it. But as these cleaners rarely burn out, you should fine another one fairly soon and take the motor from it for yours. | ||
| Post# 193042 , Reply# 36 8/3/2012 at 13:49 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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Can't see any screws near the motor cover inside the bag compartment, though I did look!
Yes, that is true Scott, the red one is a Turbopower 1 which obviously doesn't have a compatible motor, least of all because it is dirty fan plus half the wattage! Out of interest, how do you know about the Turbopower being a dirty fan since you are in America ? | ||
| Post# 193043 , Reply# 37 8/3/2012 at 13:51 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193044 , Reply# 38 8/3/2012 at 13:53 (4,277 days old) by Scaniabebe () | ||
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Dirty Fan? Huh? You lost me?-.- Still, that Blue Turbopower should be the right one, am I right? | ||
| Post# 193045 , Reply# 39 8/3/2012 at 13:54 (4,277 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas) | ||
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Oh, recently I have become interested in U.K vacs and have somewhat of an understanding of the various brands and model lines dating from the 1970's and onward, but anything older than that I have no clue about. Scott | ||
| Post# 193046 , Reply# 40 8/3/2012 at 13:57 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193049 , Reply# 42 8/3/2012 at 13:59 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193050 , Reply# 43 8/3/2012 at 14:00 (4,277 days old) by Scaniabebe () | ||
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Nah, have no idea between a "Dirty Fan" and a normal fan. I'm guessing the "Dirty Fan" is dirty?;P | ||
| Post# 193051 , Reply# 44 8/3/2012 at 14:01 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193052 , Reply# 45 8/3/2012 at 14:01 (4,277 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England) | ||
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Hey =} | ||
| Post# 193053 , Reply# 46 8/3/2012 at 14:02 (4,277 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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Jamie below the bag door is a piece of curved trim. From inside the bag unit it looks like there are two screws missing. Only there isn't. You need to unclip that trim and you will find two more screws holding the motor cover down. | ||
| Post# 193054 , Reply# 47 8/3/2012 at 14:04 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193055 , Reply# 48 8/3/2012 at 14:06 (4,277 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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Well look from the inside and you will see two clips, one going left and one going right. You need to give them a flick with a screwdriver to pop it off. | ||
| Post# 193060 , Reply# 49 8/3/2012 at 14:29 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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OK, got it off thanks to Benny.
I'll post the three pictures I took before my camera batteries died, hopefully you can make out that the left carbon brush is down to nothing and the right one still has a tiny bit left. It isn't so much making a clicking noise when rotated as much as a gentle rubbing noise (not constantly, just like "rub rub rub rub rub"), I was mistaken before. You guys know more than I do, but I presume the reason it was running at half speed was because the brush that still has some "meat" left was getting contact while the other wasn't ? OK, here they are, I apologise again for the poor quality. 
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| Post# 193061 , Reply# 50 8/3/2012 at 14:31 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193062 , Reply# 51 8/3/2012 at 14:35 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193076 , Reply# 52 8/3/2012 at 15:15 (4,277 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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can't see anything from those fella :( | ||
| Post# 193077 , Reply# 53 8/3/2012 at 15:16 (4,277 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193091 , Reply# 54 8/3/2012 at 16:14 (4,277 days old) by Scaniabebe () | ||
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Try using Macro Mode, also. Gives good quality close ups!;) | ||
| Post# 193189 , Reply# 55 8/4/2012 at 09:16 (4,276 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193190 , Reply# 56 8/4/2012 at 09:19 (4,276 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193192 , Reply# 57 8/4/2012 at 09:23 (4,276 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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And the video. Hopefully from the pictures and the video you can confirm whether it is a gonner or whether maybe it just needs new brushes and a commutator stone.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO jmurray01's LINK | ||
| Post# 193212 , Reply# 58 8/4/2012 at 12:27 (4,276 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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still can't see the commutator mate so its had to say. I'd still say going by the sound of it, its a goner | ||
| Post# 193216 , Reply# 59 8/4/2012 at 13:07 (4,276 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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I will still 2nd that. The comm sticks are only there to clean a dirty commutator. They cannot reseat a lifted segment. | ||
| Post# 193219 , Reply# 60 8/4/2012 at 13:25 (4,276 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193225 , Reply# 61 8/4/2012 at 14:18 (4,276 days old) by ryry_87 (Earth) | ||
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yeh sounds like its catching a buggered segment. time for a new motor! | ||
| Post# 193228 , Reply# 62 8/4/2012 at 14:35 (4,276 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193229 , Reply# 63 8/4/2012 at 14:36 (4,276 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193330 , Reply# 64 8/5/2012 at 07:29 (4,275 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193333 , Reply# 65 8/5/2012 at 08:05 (4,275 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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They are spade terminals if my memory is correct.They should just pull away from the terminals. If I cam wrong, you may have to cut and rejoin them safely, using joining blocks. | ||
| Post# 193334 , Reply# 66 8/5/2012 at 08:09 (4,275 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193337 , Reply# 67 8/5/2012 at 08:27 (4,275 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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If they are spades and won't move, look into the middle of the spade and you may see a tiny tag pushed into a round hole in the terminal. This tag needs to be pushed out of the way. | ||
| Post# 193338 , Reply# 68 8/5/2012 at 08:32 (4,275 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 193339 , Reply# 69 8/5/2012 at 08:33 (4,275 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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That's fine. Are they off now? | ||
| Post# 193340 , Reply# 70 8/5/2012 at 08:38 (4,275 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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