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Post# 191199   7/24/2012 at 12:24 (4,287 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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My family will be moving into a new home soon and I seriously need to clean the carpet. The home is a foreclosure and has been unoccupied for four years. The carpet is a high end, medium pile frieze type that is not glued down. It is very solied.
We are going to send in a good carpet cleaner to steam clean, but I don't trust any carpet cleaner pre-vacuuming. Whenever we hired carpet cleaners to clean our current house, they all used dirty Sanitaires with worn belts. It seems like more and more people and switching to Windsors now, and a bypass cleaner is not going to get this carpet clean. So I have to get the vacuuming done myself. So I'd like some suggestions on to what vacuum I should use. I was thinking I should bring both my Eureka 1934a and Eureka Express with VGIII up to do the job. I have a feeling I will have to go through many bags, and Eureka bags are cheap and easy to find. I'm also considering my Hoover Concept or Hoover Legacy. What do you think? |
Post# 191200 , Reply# 1   7/24/2012 at 12:35 (4,287 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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Post# 191206 , Reply# 2   7/24/2012 at 12:57 (4,287 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)   |   | |
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Firstly I would be tempted to quickly run any aggressive vac over the surface to remove any loose litter,
Now, pull up half the carpet and roll it back over the other half and suction clean UNDER the carpet. Its amazing just how much dust and dirt gets under a carpet which turns to mud once wet and bringing it back up thru the carpet makes it look even dirtier. Repeat other side of the room and lay the carpet back. Taking something like your Kirby or even a Hoover Windtunnel/Innovation thouroughly vacuum the carpet until your quite sure its clean. Add a new clean bag tothe cleaner and goover it once again just to make sure. Its amazing what a new bag can show up. Id even try using 2 vacuums with different style brushrolls, what one misses the other will get and you should be good to go. |
Post# 191207 , Reply# 3   7/24/2012 at 13:07 (4,287 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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That is exactly what I'm afraid of; dirt under the carpet. I don't think I'm going to be able roll back any of the carpet, and some parts of the house, such as the hallways, would be almost impossible to roll back without cutting. So I need to something with enough airflow to clean everything, and I don't mind spending time on this.
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Post# 191263 , Reply# 6   7/24/2012 at 19:09 (4,287 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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I have always heard that Kirbys are built like tanks. Since you don't need the hose to deep clean the carpets, I vote for Kirbying all carpets in the house - starting with an empty bag. It could probably withstand all the dirt you throw at it better than some of those great high performing Eurekas, which are unfortunately made of plastic.
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Post# 191269 , Reply# 7   7/24/2012 at 20:42 (4,287 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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the carpet . I don`t care how many times I would vacuum and clean used other peoples carpet. I could never feel comfortable with carpet that other people
did God knows what to . Every home I ever purchased the first thing that goes is the carpet .Plus I never would use my Vacuums on someones nasty carpet I never loan any of my Vacuums out either . |
Post# 191291 , Reply# 9   7/24/2012 at 23:14 (4,287 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI)   |   | |
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My suggestion would be to take 2 vacuums, which ever one you feel has the most aggressive brushroll, and the one with the most powerful suction/ most airflow. Use the one with the aggressive brush to loosen all the dirt and bring it to the surface (and of course pick up mostof it) and then use the one with high airflow/ suction to remove whatever is left. We have the same type of carpet in our living room and I have found my Kirbys do ok if you go really slow. I think the Eureka express with VG2 would do well if it has good suction and a new bag.
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Post# 191301 , Reply# 10   7/25/2012 at 01:52 (4,287 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)   |   | |
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My local vacuum shop told me that the new Oreck Magnesium lightweight upright is one of the best vacuums around to be able to clean the newer style frieze carpets. I'm not familiar with this kind of carpet, but in my vac shop one day, got into talking to them about the new Oreck Magnesium that they had on display, and that's what they told me. They said a lot of other just can't handle that style.
I've used Stanley Steemer in the past was very impressed. The only thing I didn't like was they didn't vacuum at all. It was an apartment with thin carpet and they said their truckmount machines can handle everything on those kind of carpets. However while they shampooed one room, I started vacuuming some of the others before they shampooed them. Otherwise I was impressed. Very careful, moved all furniture, used furniture protectors, incredible suction, hot solution and high pressure sprayer on those machines. One time I rented a Rug Doctor Widepath shampooer from Lowe's. Absolutely TERRIBLE machine. Extremely unimpressive results. I returned it to Lowe's told them my complaint, they did nothing but I went to my local vacuum shop and rented a RinsenVac. Terrific results with the RinseNVac. |
Post# 191321 , Reply# 12   7/25/2012 at 07:55 (4,287 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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Post# 191369 , Reply# 14   7/25/2012 at 12:28 (4,286 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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Thank you for all your suggestions. In response to what type of carpeting cleaning system we will be using, there is no doubt we will be using hot water exaction. I'm very well read on this type of cleaning, and if it's done right you can't beat it. Plus I also found pet urine stains in some rooms, quite small but they are there, and Host can't clean that.
I will not be hiring Stanley Steamer, ever. I've read how they do things and watched their training video and they are mediocre. Unfortunately, the only carpet cleaner that I can conform pre-vacuums uses DYSONS! That is the last vacuum I would want to clean this carpet, and I own one myself. I can't find anyone that rents Pile Lifters in the aera. I will keep you guys updated. |
Post# 191395 , Reply# 17   7/25/2012 at 16:07 (4,286 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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Sorry Kirbysthebest, I guess I did go a little off topic. What I really want to know is what vacuum would deep clean frieze carpets best. It seems most people agree my 5amp Eureka 1934a would do the job best.
Trebor: I don't doubt Host can clean pet stains, but I don't think something with such little moisture can remove the urine salts. All the major carpet manufactures recommend hot water exaction, and this carpet is seriously filthy in some areas. I'll keep Host in mind for yearly maintenance. I will take some before and after pictures for everyone to see when I start to work on this early next week. |
Post# 191399 , Reply# 18   7/25/2012 at 16:25 (4,286 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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I read this thread and found myself scratching all over as I did so. |
Post# 191425 , Reply# 20   7/25/2012 at 19:37 (4,286 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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Thank you for explaining that Robert, that makes Host look like a much better system. I'll call them in the morning and see if they have a cleaner that can reach our house. I'd much rather have someone thats knows what they are doing clean the carpet. Is Host any more expensive than other carpet cleaning services? We are already expecting the hot water exaction company to charge around $700 for the whole house.
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Post# 191428 , Reply# 21   7/25/2012 at 20:08 (4,286 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Replace it how can you use someones nasty pet stained carpets ? I would rather rip out the carpet and live with sub floor than try to clean someones nasty disease laden carpet . Save the $700.00 plus some more and then buy new carpet and start anew in your new house ! I would never ever be able to walk bare feet on that carpet nor lay on it .
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Post# 191432 , Reply# 22   7/25/2012 at 21:15 (4,286 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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Daniel, do you know how many times my mom has said that about our current carpet! We like the carpet already in the house and cleaning it will be much cheaper than replacing almost 2,000 square feet of carpet. Hopefully I can get a good carpet cleaning guy in there soon. Thank you for your concern though.
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Post# 191438 , Reply# 23   7/25/2012 at 21:49 (4,286 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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I tend to agree with Dan. I've NEVER moved, so, I never had to deal with that. I think I'd have a hard time with other people's carpeting. I'd always wonder how clean it was, how wet it got, what's still really 'under there', etc. $700.00 seems high for cleaning. I might take the $700.00 and add to it. Do you really like this carpeting THAT much? Even dirty? Keep us abreast of what you do. As far as strong vacuuming, a HOOVER Concept is a strong cleaner. Best of luck,
John. |
Post# 191472 , Reply# 24   7/26/2012 at 01:09 (4,286 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)   |   | |
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Reading all of the posts since my previous I've changed my mind:
1) You stated your mother thinks the carpets should be ripped out, due to heavy staining and the thought of someone else's dirt that may not completely be removed. This is probably the top reason. If your mother is happy, EVERYONE ELSE IS HAPPY!! If mom's not happy with results of cleaning and she's short $700, no one else will be happy either. 2) 2000 sq. Ft is a lot but not too bad. I am a Realtor. Most consumers moving to another house usually end of putting about 2k into a house in-order to bring paint and floor surfaces up to their standards whether its for color matching, worn condition, cleaner feel or all of the above. 3) This carpet is revolting and is probably older than you think. Pet urine, random stains, accumulated dirt. Carpet cleaning does some stain and appearance improvement but carpets don't disinfect well. 4) You stated the carpet is NOT glued down. Labor is one of the major factors for carpet removal when it comes to people minds. They don't want to move the furniture and older carpet removal etc. adds heavily to labor so higher installation fee. 5) Your moving in, the house is most likely unfurnished. This is the absolute BEST time to get new carpet, put it in now instead of in 2 yrs or directly after having it cleaned when you realize that cleaning it didn't bring it back to what it should be. 6) $700, is that tax included? In addition to aggravation of who's doing it, their job performancte, drying time, and questionable end result. 7) You like the carpet that's in the house!! This makes shopping for new carpet easy. Cut off a section of the carpet that may still be clean. Bring it to the carpet store and tell them-- "We want this" Now you're taking the same $700+ from the carpet cleaning but investing it into a smarter media. Clean, fresh carpet and now thanks to this forum, you know the best vacuum cleaner for maintaining it properly in addition to the best upkeep for 6 month or annual carpet shampooing. Just my advice from working with buyers & sellers of real estate, my own personal life experiences, my work experience in house cleaning and my passion and knowledge of vacuum cleaners and a clean house. My dad is a doctor, my uncle is a doctor and my deceased grandfather was a doctor. Financially, health reasons, smart investing, cleanliness and convenience of move in, my family would recommend replacing the carpet now. Best of luck and congratulations to the decision makers of the household and new homeowners in which ever direction they decide to go with on this subject. Good luck with the move. I truly believe you will enjoy the new house better with fresh allergen, and germ free carpet. Blessings to all and happy vacuuming from Central Pennsylvania, Rob |
Post# 191473 , Reply# 25   7/26/2012 at 01:19 (4,286 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Post# 191535 , Reply# 26   7/26/2012 at 14:22 (4,285 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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I just got off the phone from a Host carpet cleaner. The woman on the phone was the nicest service person I've ever spoken to. Sadly, her location was too far for her to drive to get to our house. Very upsetting. New carpeting has been deemed too expensive, so I guess we at back at hot water exaction.
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Post# 191539 , Reply# 27   7/26/2012 at 14:34 (4,285 days old) by director12 ()   |   | |
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Maybe that Rubbermaid or maroon Steamvac you own can help with the extraction. |
Post# 191617 , Reply# 30   7/27/2012 at 00:38 (4,285 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)   |   | |
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Hi Floor-a-matic.
I had planned on shampooing a 3 floor town house with the RugDoctor that I had just rented. However I was so UNIMPRESSED with how the machine operated I only did my bedroom. The next day when I rented the RinseNVac I recleaned my bedroom and was DRAMATICALLY impressed with the results. Stains were gone, carpet was not nearly as wet. I shampooed all 3 floors of the townhouse, which the rugs were highly stained. At some points I took out a hand scrub brush on a couple of spots but for the most part the RinseNVac conquered the rest and the place looked terrific afterwards. Since this day I have never once re-considered a RugDoctor for anything and would never buy one from a store. I think that the TV infomercial for the RugDoctor is SEVERELY edited and fake. The vac shop that I rented the RinseNVac from said that the power brush isn't very powerful on those and said I should try the regular extraction wand they thought results would be just as good. They said the power head on it didn't provide very good agitation in their opinion and I think the sprayer wasn't as powerful. The Rug Doctor I used, I think worked but I told Lowes they should have the unit checked just in case. I thought it was actually putting down too much water. The Rug Doctor put down lots of water, and the brush did move, and suction was working. However the carpet seemed extremely wet too me, yet didn't appear very clean. Since this experience my carpet shampooing preferences are as follows, moving to the next step if the first doesn't work Trial 1: Hoover Steamvac- with Spin Scrub. I've been impressed with these. Not sure how well they deep clean to bottom of pile but overall carpets look and feels clean afterwards. Trial 2: RinseNVac- they're hard to find though Final step if above else doesn't work: Stanley Steemer. Used them only once but was HIGHLY HIGHLY impressed with results, and customer service. Extremely powerful machines did a terrific job. One apartment I moved into the previous tenants hired a "ChemDry" style carpet dry cleaning company to shampoo the rugs. I was very unimpressed with the results and procedure the Dry Clean company used. Carpets were quite wet for 24 hours and I didn't feel they accomplished anything. So when I had to choose a carpet cleaner at move out, I chose Stanley Steemer and glad I did. The place was spotless, looked really nice. It is very possible that different locations of Stanley Steemer may have a better operation? Very happy with the location I used and I've recommended them since to many people, they've been happy as well! |
Post# 191691 , Reply# 32   7/27/2012 at 12:05 (4,284 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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Bobby, take a look at this video. It clearly shows that even a truck mount can not remove all dry soils from the carpet.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO bagintheback's LINK |
Post# 192163 , Reply# 33   7/29/2012 at 19:04 (4,282 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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We have decided to rent a Host machine to do the work. I got a qoute from a good carpet cleaner today and it was way too expensive. Even renting a Host machine for a week and buying mutipule tubs of Host will be many hundreds of dollars cheaper. I think four 12lb buckets should be good for both the new and old house. We're saving so much money on this anymore will be deal, so please tell me if you don't think that is sufficient for two double story houses. Of course I will be posting pictures of the process when it starts next weekend.
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Post# 192165 , Reply# 34   7/29/2012 at 19:45 (4,282 days old) by director12 ()   |   | |
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I would never use a carpet cleaning company-too expensive and have marketing scams. I would use my 5/6-year old Steamvac to do the job. It's less expensive, plus Hoover Steamvacs rock. |
Post# 192401 , Reply# 35   7/30/2012 at 21:38 (4,281 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)   |   | |
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I thought U were going to try out a Bissell Big Green!? How well will a Big Green clean the dirtiest carpets IN A REAL ENVIRONMENT & NOT IN A LAB? |
Post# 259066 , Reply# 36   12/9/2013 at 11:29 (3,784 days old) by director12 ()   |   | |
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I don't really know. |