Thread Number: 17522
Information On UK Panasonic 40, 50, 400 and 500 Series Please??? |
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Post# 189130   7/9/2012 at 11:30 (4,280 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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I just recently got a Panasonic MCE456 in an emerald green colour It has brushroll shut off, bag full indicator, 1500 watt motor and is from around 99/2004
I no very little about Panasonic cleaners but I like them, lol, I can't seam to find any information on this either. I would be grateful if anyone could enlighten me. Since I am asking for info on the 400 series I thought this would be the opportunity to ask about the 40's, 50's, and 500's as well. So anyone that knows a lot about these cleaners, I would be very grateful if you can fill me in. Thanks, Alex. |
Post# 189131 , Reply# 1   7/9/2012 at 11:32 (4,280 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 189135 , Reply# 2   7/9/2012 at 12:29 (4,280 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 189142 , Reply# 3   7/9/2012 at 12:58 (4,280 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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The Panasonic 400 series were launched in 1995 to replace the old 40 series. Aside from a longer hose, slightly more sleek design and 50w increase, there wasn't much difference between the 2.
The original line-up consisted of a basic 450, the 451 with variable power and 452 with variable power and headlight.
After the initial line up, Panasonic seemed to release a million varieties of the 400, the final model being the very popular 468 (before being replaced by the chinese made range currently on sale)
Bit of a guestimate, but I reckon this is from somewhere between 2000 and 2002 as it's before the "Super Lightweight" logo appeared, but after Panasonic started adding the logo horizontally instead of vertically. It might be an idea to check those pics you have of Argos 2000 to see which model was on sale then and work around that. |
Post# 189152 , Reply# 5   7/9/2012 at 14:08 (4,280 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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All the 400 series manuals, up to and including the 468, have the original copyright/patent date of 1995.
Benny, what issues did you come across with the 40 series? I've NEVER seen a broken 40 series and only ever known people get rid of them to upgrade to a newer or bigger cleaner with a longer hose and wider cleaning path. Really, the only major fault I've ever seen is the pivot points where the main head connects to the body of the cleaner wearing out.
Incidentally, my Mum bought a Panasonic MC-E44 brand new in early 1992 and it survived until 2007 when it was retired (yet, still working) |
Post# 189180 , Reply# 6   7/9/2012 at 15:25 (4,280 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 189187 , Reply# 7   7/9/2012 at 15:50 (4,280 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 189194 , Reply# 9   7/9/2012 at 16:05 (4,280 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 189196 , Reply# 10   7/9/2012 at 16:09 (4,280 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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You are welcome. Lets just say I am not busy. I will allow you to do me a sad face if you will. |
Post# 189198 , Reply# 11   7/9/2012 at 16:19 (4,280 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Thanks for the info, Benny. I'm not doubting you either, just a general observation.
I have the very last of the 40 series you mentioned - dark green with gold lettering. Absolutely love it.
It's strange that the 650w motors were more popular as I've seen way more of the 700w models floating around. Both of my 40 series are 700w. |
Post# 189199 , Reply# 12   7/9/2012 at 16:20 (4,280 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 189202 , Reply# 13   7/9/2012 at 16:22 (4,280 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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"It's strange that the 650w motors were more popular as I've seen way more of the 700w models floating around." Well from that I'd say that the 650W models were popular when new but they broke down more than the 700W models, hence the latter being more popular on the used market.
I could be wrong though! |
Post# 189204 , Reply# 14   7/9/2012 at 16:22 (4,280 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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There is nothing wrong in taking time out or keeping busy. It is when one is doing one thing and wishes that they could be doing the other that it gets frustrating. |
Post# 189214 , Reply# 16   7/9/2012 at 16:33 (4,280 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 189223 , Reply# 18   7/9/2012 at 16:47 (4,280 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 189233 , Reply# 19   7/9/2012 at 16:58 (4,280 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )   |   | |
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Post# 189237 , Reply# 20   7/9/2012 at 17:00 (4,280 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 189242 , Reply# 21   7/9/2012 at 17:04 (4,280 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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But as has been said before, it seems to be cheaper to make a higher wattage motor than it does a better, more intricate lower wattage motor. And watts sell. Tragic, I say. |
Post# 189244 , Reply# 22   7/9/2012 at 17:07 (4,280 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 189250 , Reply# 24   7/9/2012 at 17:19 (4,280 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 189345 , Reply# 25   7/10/2012 at 07:37 (4,279 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Or as daft. Power consumption from vacuums compared to computers have nothing in common Jamie and the hard drive capacity is merely a selling point a bit like the dust bag or bin capacity on a vacuum. Hard drives these days are only getting larger to give the capacity for most computer users these days who are used to downloading films or music, photos or projects. Far easier than carting around external hard drives with the system.
Panasonic and other brands have contiunally used the "extra high power" as a sale feature. One of the reasons to why Panasonic increased the wattage on their vacuums was to compete with what was around at the time. Today Panasonic are still churning out the same white upright vacuum with the silly 2 belt method and just increasing the "motor power" by 100 watts each time. Last model I saw was a 2000 watt upright, but I recall when the smoother shape came out with 1000 watts so many moons ago.
Dyson was responsible IMHO to allowing consumers to learn about air watts as opposed to motor suction or general suction from vacuums. We'd have been none the wiser if we hadn't been taught about the difference between motor power and air watts. In tandem, all brands use extra suction power as a USP but some brands do it differently.
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Post# 189346 , Reply# 26   7/10/2012 at 07:44 (4,279 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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"Or as daft. Power consumption from vacuums compared to computers have nothing in common Jamie and the hard drive capacity is merely a selling point a bit like the dust bag or bin capacity on a vacuum. Hard drives these days are only getting larger to give the capacity for most computer users these days who are used to downloading films or music, photos or projects. Far easier than carting around external hard drives with the system." Oh no, I didn't mean the hard drive space had anything to do with power consumption, I was merely making another point of how things are getting bigger and bigger without valid reason.
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Post# 189368 , Reply# 27   7/10/2012 at 12:10 (4,279 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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Neither did I. I was saying I need something explaining. That was the only comparison. |
Post# 189423 , Reply# 28   7/10/2012 at 22:20 (4,279 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Mmm.. on the basis that back in the 1990s where computers didn't have half as many downloads as they do today as well as itunes for both PC and Mac, gaming etc i find it hard to fathom how you feel things are getting "bigger without a valid reason." You may well rely on a PC for word processing only with the odd video here and there, but largely you'll find a lot of laptops and computers have physically become smaller even though they have had to become larger in terms of memory to accomodate lifestyle downloads.
I used to have quite a few of those heavy CRT monitors too but I've now changed to the thinner ones because they take up less space - and are physically smaller but offer greater definition.
What examples can you give where things are getting bigger without a valid reason?
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Post# 189466 , Reply# 29   7/11/2012 at 06:08 (4,279 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 189480 , Reply# 30   7/11/2012 at 08:52 (4,278 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 189484 , Reply# 31   7/11/2012 at 09:54 (4,278 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 189561 , Reply# 32   7/11/2012 at 16:55 (4,278 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Are you actually serious?? Look at the market forces in the last 10 years or so - game stations galore have pressured TV companies to go large. Then there's the Nintendo Wii system - I doubt you could do any of the fitness stuff they show on a box 14" TV. You might not need a massive TV but I don't find your opinion to offer a justifiable thought where validity is concerned.
MY generation and countless others born in the 1980s played outside, ran about in fields, climbed trees etc. Not todays generation who'd rather be stuck indoors when it rains and be glued to a massive TV with a games console.
The bigger TV also meant several brands went out of business with their home cinema systems, because of the push to make the domestic TV larger. It brought the price down compared to the bulkier systems and thus pressured other brands to do the same.
At least though in terms of TVs you do get to choose sizes. |
Post# 189987 , Reply# 34   7/15/2012 at 08:55 (4,274 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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My pet grieve of the opposite where things are getting smaller for no valid reason would be BOL microwaves with hopelessly small cavities. Also having to pay more just to have a grill fitted in them and then having to pay out more when the thing starts sparking because grease has attached itself to the hopeless cardboard magnetron cover, despite persistent water-only cleaning.
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