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Bissel vacuums Good or bad |
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Post# 183801   6/2/2012 at 09:34 (4,339 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Why does it seem like bissel has such a bad name in the states . well amoungs vac guys any how.
I own a proheatx2 and am pretty impressed with its cleaning abilityI also own a healthy home and the lift off. The healthy home is a big big machine it works well, has a vet agressive brushroll . It doesn't filter aswell as they say it does so the hepa gets clogged fast and its non washable so you have to keep replacing them but for the price I thoughtit was not bad.
We are Bissel repair agents but only sell the carpet cleaners.
What are your guys thoughts on them |
Post# 183818 , Reply# 2   6/2/2012 at 11:09 (4,339 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Post# 183850 , Reply# 3   6/2/2012 at 12:31 (4,339 days old) by Vinvac (Dubuque IA)   |   | |
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Gareth,
When I have someone looking for a cheap vacuum I will always send them to a Bissell bagged machine. I am not fond or would I ever recomend a bagless machine to anyone. I find that the 39.00 version of the Bissell bagged machine, cleans well, has a good brush roll. The attachments are less than desirable, but for people who live in small apartments, college students, I find it to be a very practical machine. I have allergies and a bagless machine defeats the purpose. Empting the container sets my allergies into a tail spin. I have found that the normal consumer doesn't take care of a bagless machine, They dont' check the filters, they don't keep them clean. The price of filters verses bags...is much cheaper. Just my thoughts. |
Post# 183897 , Reply# 4   6/2/2012 at 14:34 (4,339 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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That is one annoying aspect of Bissell UK - they don't sell a bagged upright version of the Powerforce. I didn't like the Easy Vac at all either, the bin was always difficult to remove and put back (and I agree about the filter removal too) but not only that, it wasn't so easy to push unless you remove the squeegee strip on the underside by the roller brush. A few people I know who have had Powerforce bagless uprights tend to have hose breakages early on, but the points made by Sensotronic & Vinvac are spot on - many buyers who buy the bagless vacs seldom look at the after care or maintenance and more so if they have pets, they may well tidy up the mini turbo brush, but not the main roller brush - but that can be applied to any brand who offer a cheaply priced bagless vacuum. This post was last edited 06/02/2012 at 15:11 |
Post# 183949 , Reply# 5   6/2/2012 at 16:48 (4,339 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Oh trust me I know all about cheap bagless vacuums. I have tons of them in my back rooms , I always tell customers if you want bagless get the best one, dyson in my opinion if you can't afford it then stick to a bagged vacuum. We do sell the Electrolux powerglide and airspeed , while not perfect they seem to not clog up as easily as other cheap bagless vacuums |
Post# 183952 , Reply# 6   6/2/2012 at 16:59 (4,339 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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Gary I too would say stick to bagged if not a Dyson bagless, but certainly in the UK there are now very, very few bagged cleaners to choose from, which I find a bit sad. |
Post# 183956 , Reply# 7   6/2/2012 at 17:39 (4,339 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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VR - so true! The UK once had a lot of bagged uprights and if you visit www.argos.co.uk... you'll see there's more bagged cylinder vacs than uprights, but far more bagless. I fear that Argos may well limit bagged uprights to just their value range and then the Miele vacs before long. |
Post# 183960 , Reply# 8   6/2/2012 at 18:00 (4,339 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Unless you are choising a Miele sebo or vorwerk there are no bagged upright vacuums in SA anymore. those Electrolux powerglides are actually very good, customers rave about them even after a year or two of ownership. Most people come in and buy a new filter once a year, and they cost less than one pack of bags that would only last you half the year. Bags are also hard to find, most stores don't stock them any more and theer are very few vacuum repair shops here these days, people prefer to just buy a new vacuum, its less hassle , no waiting for a repair and easier too.
In fact the only reason we sell sebo's is my commercial trade, home owners here do not want bags at all.
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Post# 184072 , Reply# 10   6/3/2012 at 15:17 (4,338 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Yes they were, but they seem to appear seasonally at Comet, Currys et al. Panasonic haven't really updated them, only putting new colours and then raising the "watts" 100 at a time and their later one now is 2000 watts I think. Last one I tried was a 1700 watt but they're too over priced for what you're getting. They're okay for what they do but I'm not a fan of Panasonic's bagged uprights now - the tools are really poor quality, the noise level is too high, too much hot air out the front, hose isn't protected at the back and the 2 drive belt principle is too old fashioned. Single belt drive would be simpler. I had a few of the bagless uprights during the 1990s, like the Twin Bin ones. Panasonic could really do with bringing back the on/off brush roll feature that their older bagged uprights had. The Electrolux Powerlite is another good upright but it too suffers from poor plastic. Brands are obviously happier to do the bagless route using better quality plastics in some cases compared to the not-so-durable plastic on offer for the older bagged models.
Effectively then what the brands are doing is moving away from bagged uprights, pushing buyers to sway to other brands with products at higher prices like the Miele S7, Sebo X1.1/X4 or consider the bagged cylinder route - and I don't think that's necessarily a good idea.
A few years ago I did buy the Argos bagged upright vacuum - they're basically Vax machines under the Argos label - and I found it to be pretty good on performance, not bad on the noise level and simple to push but obviously very plasticky. Really annoyed that it didn't come with a dusting brush but soon found a Dyson round upholstery brush could be stuffed at the top of the crevice tool for storage and use whenever required.
The downside to this model apart from looking like a toy is that there's a lot more assembly that you just wouldn't believe (you have to screw in 4 screws into the dust chamber together to the main body, then both that to the motor head, then the handle to the machine, then a single clip to hold part of the hose at the back in as well as a clip for the single extension nozzle !) The other major downside of course being Argos Value is that the bags can only be purchased from Argos. It would be good if Vax had their own version out like Bush have done which is the same model but with a H filter, different colour and mini turbo brush. |
Post# 184078 , Reply# 11   6/3/2012 at 16:10 (4,338 days old) by Trebor ()   |   | |
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is the Pro-Lite Multi-Cyclonic Bagless. Center dirt path, extendable hose, bendable wand, more complete attachment kit. Not bad at $149.99 |
Post# 258968 , Reply# 12   12/8/2013 at 15:31 (3,785 days old) by director12 ()   |   | |
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I had my Powerforce for a little over 2 years. Never had any problems. |
Post# 258993 , Reply# 13   12/8/2013 at 16:37 (3,785 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I see a lot of them being turfed away at the local dumping site. Mostly, the Powerforce's main problem seems to be the hose and handle, either coming away from the hose itself or splitting. It isn't uncommon to find that the sole plates shatter or are cracked, too or broken wheels off the base chassis. The smaller cleaning tools seem to last longer than anything else.
It's not always like that of course. In the UK where Samsung's Propel uprights are similar to the Powerforce by Bissell, the handle on the Powerforce has a better quality feel in my experience than the hollow feeling of the Samsung. |
Post# 259027 , Reply# 14   12/8/2013 at 21:52 (3,785 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)   |   | |
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I have to say I don't think the Bissells are too bad. I used a basic bagless Powerforce once and was quite impressed. It was lightweight so I could push and carry it easily. It also groomed the carpet well. It seemed to be quiet, but that could have been the acoustics of the area I was cleaning. The only thing that I saw that could be better was the cord length.
Of course, cleaning the filters is a messy, and as mentioned often overlooked part of these. I think the bagged Powerforce would avert this issue, yet have all of the good things of the Powerforce. Really, for the price, they don't seem bad. I probably would not buy one to use as an everyday machine for myself, but I could recommend one to someone needing a basic and cheap vacuum. |
Post# 259059 , Reply# 15   12/9/2013 at 09:18 (3,784 days old) by director12 ()   |   | |
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You know, you're right. |
Post# 259071 , Reply# 16   12/9/2013 at 14:49 (3,784 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)   |   | |
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The reason I tend to dislike Bissells and other similar machines is the fact that they are typically poorly built in comparison to other better machines. Set it next to something like a Miele, Sebo, or Riccar/Simplicity and you'll see what I mean. I also don't car for bag less machines other than water filter vacs all that much. They tend to be very dusty to empty and clean out compared to just tossing a bag out when its full.
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Post# 259135 , Reply# 18   12/10/2013 at 05:21 (3,783 days old) by director12 ()   |   | |
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You know, I'd take the Tempo. |
Post# 259159 , Reply# 19   12/10/2013 at 16:23 (3,783 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)   |   | |
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Post# 259385 , Reply# 21   12/13/2013 at 15:18 (3,780 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 367723 , Reply# 23   3/2/2017 at 06:41 (2,605 days old) by kenkart ()   |   | |
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There are a few of us like me who think most anything made after 1970 is junk...LOL |
Post# 367819 , Reply# 24   3/4/2017 at 04:14 (2,603 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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Bissel---find lots of dead and dying ones in the vac shop dumpster.Not interested in them. |
Post# 367838 , Reply# 25   3/4/2017 at 13:55 (2,603 days old) by rainbowvacfane2 (tracy ca)   |   | |
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i do both move out and move in cleanings. I have used quite a bit of vacuums both commercial and residential and i always keep coming back to the good old powerforce i really prefer the newer bagged one over the newer bagless one just because they seem to keep there cleaning performance longer and they seem to have more air flow but i love all powerforces they are great cleaners they are easy to maintain and they seem to hold up until your able to get a higher end vacuum they are not as good as the the older 12amp ones (there 8 amps now) but they get the job done and then some. A little tip put a miele air clean filter before the motor they keep the motor looking like brand new even after 2 years of heavy use not to mention it helps the filtration all and all there amazing little vacuums but they really excel on medium pile carpet
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