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Thread Number: 16930
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| Post# 180830 , Reply# 1 5/13/2012 at 16:49 (4,358 days old) by dwhdarren97 () | ||
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Since everybody has a different opinion this thread will quickly go to hell I believe. | ||
| Post# 180832 , Reply# 2 5/13/2012 at 16:51 (4,358 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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Post# 180833 , Reply# 3 5/13/2012 at 16:53 (4,358 days old) by bagintheback  (Flagstaff, Arizona) |
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| Post# 180840 , Reply# 6 5/13/2012 at 17:17 (4,358 days old) by DysonKing474 () | ||
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well the damn dyson people decided to go with the helix brushroll system instead of a standard cylindrical one | ||
| Post# 180841 , Reply# 7 5/13/2012 at 17:19 (4,358 days old) by mieles7 (TX) | ||
Both of these vacuums are good.
Dyson would be good if you had to clean a whole house quickly. Kirby would be good if you needed to do a really thorough job and had a lot of time. Personally, I would just get a used Sanitaire and a Eureka Mighty Mite. Therefore, you would have 2 lightweight vacuums that don't require much preparation to use. Plus, you could probably get the vacuums for less than $300. | ||
| Post# 180848 , Reply# 8 5/13/2012 at 19:15 (4,358 days old) by DysonKing474 () | ||
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well if you get a dyson DC25 Blueprint, would you rather have a Kirby Diamond | ||
| Post# 180851 , Reply# 9 5/13/2012 at 19:53 (4,358 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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| Post# 180924 , Reply# 11 5/14/2012 at 07:41 (4,358 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Well firstly, IMHO the whole proposition of challenging a bagged vacuum versus a bagless vacuum is just not fairly represented and the Kirby is like comparing an American sized fridge freezer with a standard, smaller European model in terms of size!
The Kirby is the better performer as Mieles7 notes, and if you have the time to push the vacuum around, then you'll get an effective, better all-around cleaning performance. However the appeal of the Dyson in most cases is that the machines are lighter, easier to push and don't require as much effort despite Kirby uprights that have the self mechanism activated. Also the old mantra stands "there's no dust bags to buy/replace," but you still have to face the dirt no matter what Dyson would have you believe. Trebor - I disagree- Dyson uprights DO lift carpets but their design doesn't necessitate that they are required to deep clean - the suction power on board in most cases takes care of that already. Dyson uprights lack the superior performance of leaving carpets groomed though. In my experience, a brush roll that may well have a higher spin or RPM isn't always good for certain carpets and the term "over wear" springs to mind here, when too much vacuuming with a higher-spin brush roll can do carpets more bad than good where general condition is concerned. But then it also factors in the kind of brush roll that is used at the time. I liked the brush roll that Oreck XL uprights have - very bushy, not that rough to the touch and yet leave carpets looking good. | ||
| Post# 180933 , Reply# 12 5/14/2012 at 07:56 (4,358 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 180934 , Reply# 13 5/14/2012 at 07:56 (4,358 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
As the owner of a DC-17
Here's what i know:
When using the baird guage it pulls a 1.5 when the filter and assembly is clean after using it on a landing above the litter boxs it would then pull a 0 I've thoroughly vacuums rooms with the dyson then followed behind with multiple vacuums (kirby d80, Hoover Convertible, Fantom Cyclone XT) each time there was a good amount of fine dust and gritty soil in the other machine. I hate it's brushroll! It is way too stiff i've seen it rip a line out of commercial pile carpeting and i don't use it often because i feel like i may be causing damage to the carpet. The dyson is an interesting machine but, i feel that, it doesn't have the airflow or agitation to properly deep clean. In terms of carpet cleaning the Kirby is definitely the better performer you cannot beat the lifting sweeping and beating of carpet to dislodge deep down grit | ||
| Post# 180935 , Reply# 14 5/14/2012 at 08:00 (4,358 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 180958 , Reply# 15 5/14/2012 at 09:53 (4,358 days old) by trebor () | ||
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well the damn dyson people decided to go with the helix brushroll system instead of a standard cylindrical one. So Dyson finally copied what has been working for Lindhaus for over 20 yrs? | ||
| Post# 180981 , Reply# 16 5/14/2012 at 13:45 (4,357 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
 Just one thing, every one goes on how a Kirby is the only vacuum to be able to suck the sand up thru the carpet pile. Last week I had 4 carpets at my house replaced. They have been down for 10 years, gone thru 6 building renovations ( opur house is brick and concreate not wood) two of the rooms haveing most of there outer facing walls removed to add bathrooms. There was nothing much wrong with them but they were a looped pile wool carpet and I felt like a thick plush cutpile in a new colour so we changed them. The carpet guy wanted to know what vacuum we used as he had never in his life seen so little dust under a 10 year old carpet.
There wasn't even enough to sweep up. These carpets have been vacuumed by dysons for the last 10 years, at first a dc04 a green and grey non clutch model, then a dc07 with clutch but fitted with the USA soulplate and brushbar, then it jumped from dc14, dc28, dc27 , dc25 , dc15( i chop and changed between these on a daily basis ) and currently a dc40. When I started selling dysons I used many models as I tested them and tried them out.
Im not saying a kirby is not good but a dyson is not as bad as many of you say it is, it could never be they spend to much on research and development testing and testing and seeing what works best on getting dirt out of a carpet. Just because its not metal and doesn't weigh a ton does not mean its not a good vacuum.
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| Post# 181028 , Reply# 18 5/14/2012 at 17:08 (4,357 days old) by baglessball () | ||
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.. CLICK HERE TO GO TO baglessball's LINK | ||
| Post# 181042 , Reply# 19 5/14/2012 at 18:09 (4,357 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
As the owner of a DC07 And a.....
Kirby Dual 80 Kirby heritage Kirby G4 Kirby 511, I vote for the kirby. (Obvious isn't it?) Here's why: While a dyson may seem to clean well, As stated above it fluffs the dirt, which enlarges it.So in this case, Seeing isn't believing..... Another reason, The build quality, Since i purchased my DC07, Here's how it's gone down-hill..... 1-The hose from the bend to the nozzle has disconnected, 2-The flimsy plastic carrying handle snapped in 2 and fell off. This machine and it's flimsy plastic is not worth the 500$ price tag, You could buy around 10 used kirbys for that. The pluses to kirby is: !-SO MANY USES!!!!!With my 511, (What some people may consider outdated, As it's from the early 1950's) can: Polish floors, Fluff carpets, Massage, "All above floor cleaning", Sharpen/polish silverware, CUT WOOD/DRILL HOLES! sand items down, AND MORE! All this in one little package that'll last until the end of the millennium! And you may say, "Kirby weighs a ton"......Not my little old 511! I haven't even emptied the bag since i got it LAST YEAR, and it weighs less than 10 pounds! So in conclusoin, Be happy, Be healthy, Be clean, And invest in a Kirby home sanitatoin system ;) -Alex. | ||
| Post# 181043 , Reply# 20 5/14/2012 at 18:14 (4,357 days old) by goadie12 () | ||
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Wow that video is awesome any I agree 100% with it. "He who vacuums last wins" awesome thanks. Zach | ||
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Post# 181327 , Reply# 22 5/16/2012 at 10:28 (4,356 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa) |
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Carpet and Rug Institute (CRI) The Carpet and Rug Institute is a very well respected company which tests vacuum cleaners and rates them based on their ability to remove soil from carpets and rugs. Higher end brands like Oreck, Kirby, Royal and Sanitaire are ranked very high. The Hoover Windtunnel and their commercial uprights also scored very well. Dyson was not mentioned at all. In fact very few bagless vacuums made the list.
The newest Rainbow also has the Carpet and Rug Institute seal of approval and is the only canister listed in the household category. Although the Simplicity Verve and Riccar Pristine are also listed in the Household and Commercial Canister category which is odd. I thought the Riccar and Simplicity were household canister vacuums and not intended for commercial use. I'm getting off topic :( CLICK HERE TO GO TO kloveland's LINK This post was last edited 05/16/2012 at 11:18 | ||
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Post# 181340 , Reply# 23 5/16/2012 at 13:30 (4,355 days old) by vinvac (Dubuque IA) |
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Alex,
I couldn't agree more with comentary above. Bagless vacuums all have the gimick issue going for them. Most bagged machines compact the dirt with in the bag not fluffing it as you describe. People can see the dirt so they think it is cleaning so much better. I repaired a Hoover Windtunnel for some friends from church. Their son talked them into purchasing a Dyson..not sure which model. They were taken back by the dirt they saw in the bin. I asked them to vacuum first using the Dyson and then go back over the same room with the Windtunnel. I gave them a synthetic type Y bag to use in the Windtunnel. Asked them once they were done to cut open the bag on the Windtunnel...they called me and thanked me for repairing the Windtunnel. the sand and grit, plus dog hair that the Windtunnel picked up was twice what was in the bin of the Dyson...they are still using the Windtunnel as their deep cleaner. For me, get rid of stretch hoses, have tools that are actually useable, must have the blower option, and built with at least a little bit of metal... but that is just me! They all do the job they are supposed to... | ||
| Post# 181395 , Reply# 24 5/16/2012 at 19:39 (4,355 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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kirby and dyson the kirby is more expensive so of coarse you would think that it is made better because it is... but for your money i still think the kirby is better cause it really will last a life time and a dyson wont last as long. | ||
| Post# 181400 , Reply# 25 5/16/2012 at 20:14 (4,355 days old) by ned_flanders () | ||
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I don't know...I've seen more tests showing poor results for the Dyson than Kirby. I do agree (regardless of performance) that there is a selling gimmick to the clear bagless vacuums. Maybe Kirby should come out with a clear bag... | ||
| Post# 181402 , Reply# 26 5/16/2012 at 20:45 (4,355 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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Uprights: Kirby or Sanitaire for me. :) Even a Eureka "The Boss" 1934B or Smart Vac 4870 will outperform a Dyson Canisters: Rainbow or TriStar will outclean a DC23. | ||
| Post# 182967 , Reply# 27 5/28/2012 at 16:58 (4,343 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, here's something you don't find everyday on EBay, and some proof that a higher power can be found in a bag than a bagless vac (!)
CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK on eBay | ||
| Post# 182972 , Reply# 28 5/28/2012 at 17:16 (4,343 days old) by anthony (leeds uk) | ||
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| Post# 182983 , Reply# 29 5/28/2012 at 18:10 (4,343 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 241186 , Reply# 31 7/21/2013 at 08:59 (3,925 days old) by RootCyclone (East Midlands,UK.) | ||
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Dyson is the best. Kirby's clog as they have bags. Dyson's don't, they have Cyclones. And are a lot better designed, more modern, and MUCH easier to manoeuvre. Ball or No ball. | ||
| Post# 241187 , Reply# 32 7/21/2013 at 09:24 (3,925 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
Kirby's clog as they have bags | ||
| Post# 241188 , Reply# 33 7/21/2013 at 09:39 (3,925 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 241192 , Reply# 35 7/21/2013 at 10:16 (3,925 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 241194 , Reply# 36 7/21/2013 at 10:22 (3,925 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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im not arguing
I didn't say cyclones i said inside the shroud it will be dusty and smelly, and kirbys also use a thick fabric filter bag which doesn't loose as much performance as the paper ones do (not that the performance drop is noticeable), also the performance of a kirby is much better than a dyson, I have many Dyson's and have 4 kirbys
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| Post# 241200 , Reply# 37 7/21/2013 at 11:19 (3,925 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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End of the day though - the bag takes it all - if you have to clean out a secondary filter or a third and so forth, bagless is messy no matter how many brands try and pull the wool over buyers eyes with the British Allergy Foundation seal of approval. The approval and the HEPA filter doesn't save you come the time to empty or having to deal with the secondary filters on board.
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| Post# 241205 , Reply# 38 7/21/2013 at 11:33 (3,924 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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| Post# 241213 , Reply# 39 7/21/2013 at 12:32 (3,924 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
Which is better, Dyson or Kirby? Got any spare pocket change? The Kirby will grind the pennies like you had dropped them in the garbage disposal. The Kirby is inconvenient to use - no on-board hose. And all the dirt passes over the belt. You have to understand that NORMAL people (non collectors) are going to be the real judges, not us collectors. Normal consumers want an on board hose, they don't want to drive somewhere to spend money on bags (money thrown into the trash can - think of the $5 bill a Miele bag costs - are you really going to throw away a five dollar bill?) And then there's the belt issue. The Kirby is no more than it was 75 years ago. The Dyson is built to be what modern consumers want in a vacuum. Obviously, if you gave both to a test group of 10 women, all 10 would prefer the Dyson over the Kirby as it's easier to use, easier to maintain, and faster to clean with. Does that make it better? No. But it makes it better in the minds of the average consumer.
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| Post# 241241 , Reply# 41 7/21/2013 at 15:11 (3,924 days old) by compamac () | ||
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In my opinion... Any day!! A Kirby will beat a Dyson even if the Kirby bag is more than halfway full and the Dyson is emptied that is how much better a Kirby is. I have done the test myself between the Oreck, Kirby, and Dyson. Well guess what?? Kirby won. | ||
| Post# 241246 , Reply# 42 7/21/2013 at 15:27 (3,924 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
Kirby also has.....
A rubber bumper to prevent nicks and scatches to fine wood furniture. Even if you are careful, a vacuum without a protective bumper will eventually scratch your furniture. I will not buy any vacuum without a protective bumper and it needs to be soft rubber not the thin hard rubber that is on some bagged vacuums. For instance the 1400 Series Eurekas.....
I don't have a Dyson, but have read time after time about the sand and grit that is found under carpet that was taken care of by a dyson........ PR-21 | ||
| Post# 241253 , Reply# 44 7/21/2013 at 16:11 (3,924 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Dyson has better features, and it more user friendly, and would always be more popular, would you like an on board hose? or take the cleaner head off, then put on the hose, Not me, but British people mainly choose Numatic, Dyson or Vax | ||
| Post# 241255 , Reply# 45 7/21/2013 at 16:36 (3,924 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Exactly Tayyab, You choose whatever brand, features, etc. you want. Britain aren't as used to Kirbys as in the US where houses are bigger with loads more floor space, that's why cylinders are so popular here, they are easier to navigate. | ||
| Post# 241256 , Reply# 46 7/21/2013 at 16:48 (3,924 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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"End of the day though - the bag takes it all - if you have to clean out a secondary filter or a third and so forth, bagless is messy no matter how many brands try and pull the wool over buyers eyes with the British Allergy Foundation seal of approval. The approval and the HEPA filter doesn't save you come the time to empty or having to deal with the secondary filters on board." I concur! Say what you want about bags clogging et cetera, but you won't get covered in dust when changing a paper bag, that's for sure.
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| Post# 241258 , Reply# 47 7/21/2013 at 16:56 (3,924 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Especially with Hoover Purepower 'Self Seal' ones | ||
| Post# 241260 , Reply# 48 7/21/2013 at 17:02 (3,924 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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| Post# 241268 , Reply# 51 7/21/2013 at 18:32 (3,924 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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People in America don't wake up one day and say "I'm going to buy a Kirby". All Kirby vacuums are sold to people who are not in the market for a vacuum. Remember, the second job of a Kirby salesman is to make a customer unhappy with their present vacuum.
I got the Miele Salsa upright from a very good friend, who is also a vacuum collector. My friend didn't like it (really, really didn't like it) because it was very heavy. My fiancee loves the Miele, which is why I bought it from my friend. Dan likes it because it IS heavy. He thinks a heavy vacuum cleans better because there's weight to the nozzle (head) of the machine. I've let him use Dysons, Kirbys, Hoovers, Electrolux, Rainbow, Filter Queen, Simplicity - he always comes back to the Miele. He is not a vacuum collector and used to own a Dirt Devil Featherlite Bagless when I met him. So he's no expert. But he IS a typical person who looks at a vacuum cleaner as "something you use to clean the house with - like a mop or broom". He's exactly the type of consumer that today's vacuum manufacturers are looking at. While collectors will always argue which brand or model is better, it's because we have a number of them to choose from, and we have experience running lots of them. The typical person who uses a vacuum, uses the same one its' entire life. Here's the rub: Dan won't turn the brush roller off when he cleans the bare floor. He actually said "it's too much trouble to do it". Really? The button is right at your fingertips, but he believes you shouldn't have to do anything when going from the rug to the floor. And that's exactly what the average person thinks too. Out of 100 women, not one (I'll bet) would want to go through the trouble of actually using a Kirby as their only vacuum. It's really just too much trouble. But remember - to the average person, as long as the carpet looks clean, as long as the nap stands up and the dog hair is gone, the vacuum has done its job. They don't want to go back to the closet for attachments. They don't want to stop. They want a very long cord. And they don't want to have to go somewhere special for vacuum bags. They just don't. While the average vacuum owner is nothing like us collectors, we collectors cannot keep a company in business. The Hoover Constellation was obsoleted last year because they couldn't sell enough to justify the cost. Same thing would happen if they brought back the Hoover Convertible. After the 100 or so collectors bought them, they'd sit forever on store shelves - as they aren't want the average vacuum customer wants. | ||
| Post# 241270 , Reply# 52 7/21/2013 at 18:45 (3,924 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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your kirby may come with all that fancy stuff, but people dont use them and they quite frankly dont work ( the accessories), I have a friend and his parents own 2 kirby sentria's, now they use the hose because they're used to it but all of these other tools are in a box in the garage, most people that own dysons only use the crevice tool, my point is is that the kirby has so many tools you dont no what to do with them, with the dyson there is one for each job, one for dusting one for upholstery/stairs and one for dusting what else do you need, also when i took my dc25 to his house because they're kirby belts snapped my friends mum used it and loved how she could just pull the hose out
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| Post# 241273 , Reply# 54 7/21/2013 at 18:59 (3,924 days old) by compamac () | ||
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Good points guys... But my posts are only my OPINION its all good :D | ||
| Post# 241316 , Reply# 55 7/21/2013 at 22:01 (3,924 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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If you're going to start on the "non-vacuum collectors, just normal buyers route," here's what they will be looking for (gleamed by the way from a lot of reviews online that I read):
1) Filters that you don't have to constantly clean to maintain suction. 2) Filter shrouds that you don't have to take apart to clean clogged dirt including that pet hair that gets stuck to the top of the shroud where the bottom trapdoor for main dirt release is of no use. 3) Washable filters and a replacement filter equipped with the vacuum at the time of purchase so that one can be used in lieu of the other being washed. 4) A Drive belt that can be easily replaced by the owner, or if lifetime belts are still fitted, still able to be replaced by the owner, not sent away to the brand. Lastly, since I have owned Dyson and Vax, I think can still stand and say its messy - it doesn't matter what Dyson and others would have you believe - whether you choose to dump dust in a bin outside the home or inside the home - when it lands on other rubbish, dirt inevitably flies up - just because you can't see it, doesn't mean you don't breathe it in. I loved the bin on my Vax Mach Air - thin enough to fit into my kitchen bin but when the dust hits, the outer bin gets coated, my hands get coated and that means the dust is on my hands. As for bagged upright filters - its a thin pad of felt compared to the nonsense some bagless brands like Vax have - no contest - the bagged vacuum is better as there is less mess. And, the next time you moan about the bags for your machine and having to buy them, what about the drive belt on your Dyson when it breaks? You still have to buy something for it! | ||
| Post# 241329 , Reply# 57 7/22/2013 at 01:22 (3,924 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
"While the average vacuum owner is nothing like us collectors, we collectors cannot keep a company in business. The Hoover Constellation was obsoleted last year because they couldn't sell enough to justify the cost. Same thing would happen if they brought back the Hoover Convertible. After the 100 or so collectors bought them, they'd sit forever on store shelves - as they aren't want the average vacuum customer wants."
**** I heartily disagree. I have this same argument with colleagues at work in network television, when I bemoan the "bullshit news" and "info-celebritainment" we've now degraded into, only to be told "But that's what the viewers WANT! Our ratings are still up!" Not really. If the ONLY thing the networks serve up is bullshit news and celebritainment, viewers will watch it only because there's nothing else on. Further blowing holes in their argument that the public "wants" to watch brain-dead pablum is the fact that cable and pay TV channels are KICKING. THE. NETWORKS'. ASSES. Record numbers of viewers are not flocking to the reality crap we're serving up, but rather to the well-written, well-produced narratives like "House of Cards" (nominated for Best Drama Emmy and it's only available ONLINE!), Downton Abbey, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Homeland ... need I go on? But back to vacuums. Why are people buying nothing but Dysons and other plastivac nightmares? BECAUSE THAT'S LARGELY ALL THAT'S AVAILABLE! At least, that's all that's available at the usual retail outlets where "most consumers" shop. Put a 1973-style Hoover Convertible, Kirby, or Aerus in those showrooms right next to the plastivac nightmares and THEN tell me what everyone is buying. | ||
| Post# 241330 , Reply# 58 7/22/2013 at 01:26 (3,924 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Hans ...
"I will weigh in on this,as uprights go, a 150 Hoover or Eureka 260 will outclean both of them,either is lighter and much easier to use , but if I were buying a new vacuum I wouldnt buy a Kirby because its too wide for most houses, and I wouldnt buy a Dyson because it is so cheap feeling.I would buy a sebo or Miele, or one of the Tacony products,but until someone makes real quality.."METAL!" im sticking with mostly 1950s technology!"
**** Boy do I hear you! I would love to have a Kirby or a Royal (for some reason I like the look of the Royal better), but for me, in my apartment, it really does come down to the very wide (and deep!) "footprint" of both. I just don't have the acres of wide-open carpeted space that would justify such a beast. And after trying out a canister for the first time ever, it really is SO much easier navigating a much smaller power nozzle (with no giant inflated bag right behind the handle) through some of the tighter spots. And the L-shaped head on the Aerus is genius for getting around chair legs! | ||
| Post# 241342 , Reply# 59 7/22/2013 at 02:21 (3,924 days old) by anthony (leeds uk) | ||
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that old turkey again
first of all the video is pointless because we didnt see that both machines were empty before the test secondly i find it hard to believe that the dyson got all that dirt out after the kirby had been there first that makes me think the kirby isnt working properly as the machine is going back and forth there are no signs that the carpet is being disturbed at all thirdly here in the uk the general public who know little about vacuums [and dont want to ]will buy a dyson because its become some kind of status symbol .Working for leeds city council i go into lots of homes across the city some of them are filthy [and thats being kind ]there will be the inevitable dyson alongside the huge telly and matching fridge oh yes and usually a dog with a larger brain than its owner .the dyson will be strategically positioned just inside the front door so everyone visiting can see it and woe betide anyone who hasnt got the latest model .Once the machine is full its lazy owner cant be bothered to empty it so it will be thrown [usually on the front garden ]out and replaced i know this because i see loads of them this throw away world we now live in is here to stay and set to get worse i fear
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| Post# 241366 , Reply# 60 7/22/2013 at 04:35 (3,924 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The Kirby Vs Dyson isn't an unusual post or decision - it could well be another bagged vacuum against a bagless vacuum - end of the day, it isn't a fair contest.
Its like comparing a conventional convection oven with a multi convection oven - they both offer one way to heat and cook food whilst the multi convection offers more versatile ways to cook. No brainer there. | ||
| Post# 241368 , Reply# 61 7/22/2013 at 04:46 (3,924 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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"well you do have to touch the dirty filters on bagged machines" But that is just it - THEY ARE NOT THAT DIRTY!! Because the bag acts as the main filter, the other filters barely get dirty at all.
Besides, that argument is totally void when you think about how dirty a bagless vacuum cleaner's filters are. | ||
| Post# 241386 , Reply# 62 7/22/2013 at 06:12 (3,924 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
First of all... Kirbys are not some god sent like everyone thinks they are, they are just another really good dirty fan vacuum cleaner just like the Hoovers, Sanitares and Royals were. Secondly, this is a ridiculous argument, they are both better in different ways -the Kirby will be better for the cleaning of carpets, it is much more energy efficiant and the Kirby should last you much longer because it is better built, but the Dyson is way more convenient in the fact it has on-board tools, has better hose suction, much more modern looking and will be much lighter to carry, not to mesion cheaper...Now which one do you think appeals to the consumer? This is a silly, kidish debate if you ask me.
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| Post# 241391 , Reply# 63 7/22/2013 at 06:17 (3,924 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 241393 , Reply# 64 7/22/2013 at 06:23 (3,924 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 241424 , Reply# 66 7/22/2013 at 08:11 (3,924 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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But that is just it - THEY ARE NOT THAT DIRTY | ||
| Post# 241427 , Reply# 67 7/22/2013 at 08:54 (3,924 days old) by anthony (leeds uk) | ||
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| Post# 241462 , Reply# 68 7/22/2013 at 11:30 (3,923 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA) | ||
Personally, I like Kirbys. I love all the different attachments they have, all the things they can do and how well they clean. But I hate the noise. Kirby vacuums are really annoying. They aren't loud like Dirt Devil and Hoover, and they aren't high pitched like some Dysons and Sharks, but they are annoying.
My daily driver at my mom's house is currently my Dyson DC-14. It works okay on the carpet, but if you look at the dirt in the container it is mostly comprised of carpet fibers. The carpets there are as old as the house which was built in 2006 so they should not be shedding very much. I don't mind having to switch things on the Kirby to use the attachments as I normally go around dusting and vacuuming furniture first, then I vacuum the carpet and then I vacuum the hard floors. I prefer the way the Kirby is designed because you can replace the normal handle with the portable cleaner handle and use it as a canister vacuum, replacing the need for a canister vacuum. But the reason I don't have one is the noise. | ||
| Post# 241469 , Reply# 69 7/22/2013 at 11:51 (3,923 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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It is the pre filters that you should be looking at, not the post filters, the post filters will go very dirty due to the motor is expelling carbon dust. The pre filter or outer cloth bag should only really get as dusty/dirty as the bagless cyclonic cleaners. Bagless vacuums trying to compete with Dyson have come a long way since about 2004, the filters on a Dysons or other muti cyclonic cleaner should be no cleaner or dirty than a bagged vacuum pre filter or outer bag. What does it really matter anyway? If it is just a foam or sponge filter all you do is give it a bit of a rinse under the tap, leave it to dry, then put it back in. All vacuums, bagged, bagless or cyclonic will require some what regular filter cleaning/replacing. | ||
| Post# 241486 , Reply# 70 7/22/2013 at 13:12 (3,923 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Yes, but if there is ONE aspect that springs to mind with the Kirby - its not a vacuum you'd want to allow to fall down a flight of stairs. It would either be bashed or bash the home around it as it tumbles. But, therein, I reckon it would still work if it went through such abuse. As Dyson has continually pointed out, his vacuums from PVC are better made than anything else - so any Dyson upright would do a tigger down a stair with the possibility of something breaking off when it finally comes to a stop.
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| Post# 241504 , Reply# 71 7/22/2013 at 14:05 (3,923 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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| Post# 241517 , Reply# 72 7/22/2013 at 14:55 (3,923 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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One of my Turbopower 2's fell down the stairs a few moths back it was near the edge of the top step and it overbalanced, I watched it go all the way down and I had the face as if I had seen a ghost! As soon as it stopped at the bottom, I raced straight to it... The only thing that happened was the bag door came off and it had snapped down into it's low profile possision with the force of the fall (it was facing the stairs, it didn't have it's back to it) but NOTHING was broken at all, I just stood it back up, upright and put the bag door back on, it still works and does not sound at all out of tune. | ||
| Post# 241523 , Reply# 73 7/22/2013 at 15:31 (3,923 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 241524 , Reply# 74 7/22/2013 at 15:32 (3,923 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Sadly when my DC02 cylinder vac fell many moons ago, the top filter cover broke off, a chip off the Antartica handle on the main canister broke off and one of the wheels were never quite the same again.
I've had several vacuums fall down the stairs due to early clumsiness - Hoover's U1104 had a nasty fall down the stair with the plastic cord hooks snapping off but luckily nothing else broke off it. My "Special 900" TP model faired a little worse with the main handle sustaining a crack and resulting in the main hinge becoming looser as time went on. And of course that ruddy Vax canister where a few chips of plastic came off the secondary rim below the main motor. No longer sealed but still did the job of pick up. | ||
| Post# 241529 , Reply# 75 7/22/2013 at 15:38 (3,923 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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and it still shows no signs of structural damage 3 years on. | ||
| Post# 241533 , Reply# 76 7/22/2013 at 15:43 (3,923 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 241564 , Reply# 77 7/22/2013 at 18:21 (3,923 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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I threw a DC05 down the stairs, a few times in 1 go, it was as durable as a HENRY!! the only thing that was broken was the cyclone handle thing | ||
| Post# 241844 , Reply# 78 7/24/2013 at 05:46 (3,922 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 241847 , Reply# 79 7/24/2013 at 06:25 (3,922 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 241848 , Reply# 80 7/24/2013 at 06:25 (3,922 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Dysons in my opinion are poor quality & even when you wash the filters they still smell. Overpriced heap of junk that fluffs up firt & makes it appear you've sucked up loads when you really haven't. | ||
| Post# 241850 , Reply# 81 7/24/2013 at 06:31 (3,922 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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I also fell down stairs WITH Henry, but it dosen't help that our stairs are actually wooden & the hose is long as it gets caught around your feet! I did have several bruises though... | ||
| Post# 241852 , Reply# 82 7/24/2013 at 06:39 (3,922 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
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| Post# 241853 , Reply# 83 7/24/2013 at 06:40 (3,922 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 241854 , Reply# 84 7/24/2013 at 06:47 (3,922 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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ultimatevacman I was carrying it out to the car, we had it upstairs & I fell, the hose got wrapped around my feet & I crashed down. Then I lay still at the bottom with Henry on top of me. | ||
| Post# 241855 , Reply# 85 7/24/2013 at 07:00 (3,922 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 241856 , Reply# 86 7/24/2013 at 07:02 (3,922 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Yes, & it wasn't good as I was 9 at the time! | ||
| Post# 241857 , Reply# 87 7/24/2013 at 07:21 (3,922 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 241859 , Reply# 88 7/24/2013 at 07:39 (3,922 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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No I still like him, well, we have a different one now so it's all good. | ||
| Post# 241875 , Reply# 89 7/24/2013 at 10:45 (3,922 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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| Post# 242028 , Reply# 90 7/25/2013 at 10:38 (3,921 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Yes. that seems to be an issue that JM doesn't wish to acknowledge- not exactly built well when a machine requires a new motor.
Still, when other things are considered - how a motor can withstand the fair knocks etc with daily life it is good to know what the brands are doing to seal the motor as well as protect it. I can't speak for every machine I own but I know SEBO go to lengths of offering protection for their sealed motor on board the K1 series. 
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| Post# 242193 , Reply# 91 7/26/2013 at 13:35 (3,919 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 242195 , Reply# 92 7/26/2013 at 13:36 (3,919 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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| Post# 242196 , Reply# 93 7/26/2013 at 13:40 (3,919 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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The bag doors splitting was due to the structual design of the bag door, not the plastic...The rest of the machine was made from the same plastic, should that not split too under force? The only thing I have ever seen broken on a Turbo 2 is the bag door. Needless to say, they apparently fixed that issue with the inroduction of the Turbopower 3...I have a Turbopower 3 and it's bag door is not split and no other Turbopower 3 that I have seen, has had a spilt bag door.
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| Post# 242211 , Reply# 94 7/26/2013 at 14:12 (3,919 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 242332 , Reply# 95 7/27/2013 at 00:21 (3,919 days old) by vegassucks () | ||
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Dirty mess Sorry Dyson owners, I appreciate the engineering of the Dyson, they started a new trend. But the truth is Bagless vacuums are a dirty mess to own and maintain. No vacuum shop owner uses one in their home. | ||
| Post# 242344 , Reply# 96 7/27/2013 at 04:13 (3,919 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire ) | ||
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No vacuum shop owner uses one in their home. | ||
| Post# 242363 , Reply# 97 7/27/2013 at 09:49 (3,919 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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I own a Vacuum shop and not only do I use dyson vacuums at home, I also sell them and am very proud of that fact, I think they are awesome, They clean fantastically. Recently when we did renovations on our house the builder lifted up a carpet in a heavy walked in area. His question to my wife was what vacuum do we use as he has never lifted up a carpet and not found sand under it before. He bought a dyson from us the next day.
I even owned a dyson when I worked for there competition. I believe in the product and you would never convice me that a Kirby is better than a dyson. I own many Kirby's just by the way. In my house, a normal household with cats dogs, Two young sons you cannot beat the user friendliness of a dyson. when I get home from work at 7 pm My wife is cooking supper and I get to cleaning. I love my vintage vacuum collection but It would take me hours to clean my house with any one of them. Much like a Vintage car collector I have my "toys " the ones that appeal to my collector side but then I have my workhorse, a dyson which gets used like it would in any other home. I tried some years back to use a Kirby sentria to do a normal clean of my house after 2 hours I was fed up with having to keep dissembling the machine to switch between carpets and hardfloors and furniture. Now on to the actual topic. Tom is right the average consumer finds a Kirby to heavy to cumbersome, They will find the same thing with any direct air upright vacuum which is why the convertible will never see the light of day again. Just look at the number of Kirby's for sale on ebay, hardly used, Customers buy into the salesman's speech but as soon as they try it themselves they hate it. I have said it before asking a question like which is better Kirby or dyson is basically just wanting to create drama. Its like asking which is better BMW or Mercedes on a car forum you are just going to get fights. There seems to be a misguided view that just because we like vintage vacuums and we think they were better every one else will too. If consumers wanted a Hoover convertible trust me Hoover would be making it. Put it this way, Would you trade in your comfortable Pick up truck with air conditioning , heated seats, power steering airbags abs brakes powerful yet efficient engine for a 1930 Model a ford pick up ? Sure it would look cool but that coolness would wear off when it kept overheating in traffic and you froze to death inside because theirs no heater and you got 2 miles to a gallon ( exaggerated but hopefully you get my point )At the end of the day company's produce what consumers want, In 40 years time people on this forum will be going oh how I wish they still made vacuums like they did in 2013. | ||
| Post# 242381 , Reply# 98 7/27/2013 at 11:53 (3,918 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Its no longer about trust but about making money.
Im going to use the words that Turbo500/Chris reiterates in another thread, here.
"...As collectors, over time, we all of course find out own preferences in things purely through using a shed load of different vacuums. A general consumer doesn't give a flying fig about brush rolls and motor noise and other things mentioned. A general consumer does not always enjoy vacuuming..." Consumers aren't demanding for bagless vacuums either - its what the brands have coerced consumers into buying - same with food processors that years ago you could never place the same jug on the same motor where the main larger wide bowl goes for shredding cheese etc. As buyers we are made to feel that we have is insufficient and outdated - it goes with every kind of appliance, not just with vacuums. It's just that more so with floorcare brands who have now tapped into China as a resource that bagless vacuums and appliances are cheaper to produce than going "in-house" and creating an entirely new vacuum from the ground up. Oh yes, the U.S have superb in-house independent brands that offer a ton of bagged vacuums - but we in the UK have only had Kirby and Oreck from the U.S - we're not lucky enough to have Riccar and other brands. In the UK, the major brands other than SEBO and Miele offer bagless and bagged vacuums, even if the bagged vacuums in terms of variety have fallen by the wayside. Brands no longer offer brand loyalty; that is clear from the lack of bagged vacuums with a variety of styles and more to do with trying to outdo the next rival by offering more flexible cyclonic bagless vacuums, not just by the look but by heaping free tools on etc as extra incentives or making outlandish claims such as "best selling," a sales phrase that Hoover Europe have continually promoted with their bagged Purepower upright. The irony is that most consumers in the UK at least will keep buying Hoover's heavy and horrid Purepower upright because they will want the brand's past reputation in the present. They have no interest in a brush roll design, or how the dust is captured, or even the design process of the vacuum in general. Those after modern bagless design will try for Dyson if they can afford it and similarly, those captured by Kirby's selling skills for their uprights will also go for the Kirby if they can afford it. Those who can't afford it have plenty of brands and offerings to choose from. End of the day, consumers aren't really being considered anymore - the aim from the brands is to make money and in the quickest way possible. I'm thankful that Kirby still exists as a way of offering an alternative to the bagless army, though. We should be grateful enough that not every brand sells bagless cyclonic vacs exclusively. | ||
| Post# 242405 , Reply# 99 7/27/2013 at 13:07 (3,918 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England) | ||
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As I've always said and found Kirby make a far better machine, In regards to performance,quality, reliability and versatility. And with me being a repairer as well as a collector there is no way I would buy a Dyson or any "bagless vac" for myself or for any of my family & friends. Esp as they seem to be getting flimsier and with what you see them coming in for repair for. I'll try to stop now or I'll appear to be brand bashing which some people seem to do freely. Other vac shop owners I've spoke to would not buy a Dyson for themselves to use at home or in their work shops. In fact all the ones I've spoke to have bagged vacs. But that's another "Vs" thread that stirs up drama. But again like everyone's opinion which fall both sides of the debate. I've got my own which I've expressed. I've never been a fan of the "This Vs That" debate as they can get ugly very quickly. Not that people should not share their opinions. But as I've said when two sides have two passionate views things can turn sour quick. Good job there's no which is the best religion or country thread....lol. James:o) | ||
| Post# 242695 , Reply# 101 7/29/2013 at 01:20 (3,917 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Gareth ...
"If consumers wanted a Hoover convertible trust me Hoover would be making it."
Not necessarily. Once companies become big enough, what the consumer *wants* comes secondary to how much they can sell before customers simply stop buying it. And if the competition is doing the same thing, you've essentially blocked out an entire industry in which consumer demand has any effect on what they produce. Case in point: network television news. I've been working in it for more than two decades, and I hear the same refrain from executives when we complain about doing bullshit "celbritainment" news over real and substantive news. I have yet to have anyone tell me they want to hear MORE news about Kim Kardashian and her bastard child. And yet, such pablum is all we feed to the viewing public. Why? "Because our ratings are up!" Well, not exactly. Maybe compared to the other news outlets shoveling THEIR share of pablum into the American psyche. But as an industry, we have lost more than 50% of our viewership since the '80s. But ... we're still making money, because people watch the ads and buy stuff. Why? Because as an industry, that's all we're giving them. So they have no choice but to consume it. ***** "Put it this way, Would you trade in your comfortable Pick up truck with air conditioning , heated seats, power steering airbags abs brakes powerful yet efficient engine for a 1930 Model a ford pick up ? Sure it would look cool but that coolness would wear off when it kept overheating in traffic and you froze to death inside because theirs no heater and you got 2 miles to a gallon." Bad example. I know plenty of construction workers who absolutely WOULD trade in their "luxury" trucks for something cheaper and more utilitarian. A huge complaint is that the only thing available these days in a truck is a tricked-out Ford F-150 for $60K, when all you really need is a stripped-down model with vinyl seats, vinyl floors -- something you can jump into with your muddy boots and just GO -- for half that price. But those "truck" trucks are simply not available anymore. So they buy the tricked-out trucks. Why? Because that's all that's on the market. | ||
| Post# 242748 , Reply# 102 7/29/2013 at 07:37 (3,917 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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HI Harley
Please be so kind as to keep your remarks to yourself, I had not read your post about carpet. We have been renovating our house for some time now, Bit by bit. I actually posted something similar at the top of this thread from when we started to replace carpets, that was 440 days ago. Long before your post. One of the reasons I stopped coming on this site some time back was nasty backhanded comments like that. Lets keep them our ourselves and enjoy the thread. | ||
| Post# 242749 , Reply# 103 7/29/2013 at 07:52 (3,917 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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I agree with you to a point, BUT its not the company's who deide but the retailers. Most people have no idea how manufacturers are held to ransom by big box stores. If there buyer doesn't not like the product then they don't but. Its amazing how far manufacturers will go to keep the buyers of these Huge stores happy. As for the pickup truck, Yes contractors sure but that's not what I said , am talking about you yourself, average JOE who buys a pick up truck. Out of interest Here in SA we have those bare bones pick up trucks as well as top of the line pick up trucks, Builders and contractors here always drive the top of the line truck , there staff drive the bare bones ones NOT OUT OF CHOICE :) | ||
| Post# 242757 , Reply# 104 7/29/2013 at 08:43 (3,917 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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Gareth Wasn't back handed, and wasn't meant to be. I said it right out and called it as I saw it. As for which vacuum is best? The one that you use, are comfortable with, and serves your needs. Then it is the best for you. | ||
| Post# 242760 , Reply# 105 7/29/2013 at 08:49 (3,917 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 242780 , Reply# 106 7/29/2013 at 13:07 (3,916 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Gareth ...
Totally agree with you on the big box stores.
BUT ... stores like Walmart DO have an agenda. Walmart is SO big that they can (and do) dictate what the consumers will buy, rather than the other way around. Case in point are books. We are now at the point where if Walmart doesn't like a particular author -- or even a particular passage in an author's book -- it will pressure publishers (even big publishers like Simon & Schuster). Is this because of public demand or what it thinks its customers want? HELL NO. They know full well that in MOST of their markets they're the ONLY game in town, and they can and will dictate what they feel is "best" for the consumer. It's downright disgusting. It's essentially free market capitalism turned rancid. | ||
| Post# 242786 , Reply# 107 7/29/2013 at 13:38 (3,916 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Yes its true, and I have to say I have found that too. Case in point In SA especially in Cape Town cylinder vacuums rule, a Company Like Electrolux has 10 cylinder vacuums spread across Electrolux and AEG but only 2 uprights. Electrolux are the market leaders in quantity of sales. The stores will tell them that uprights do not sell and that cylinders do. My point has always been if you walk into a shop and 90% of the vacuums are cylinders rule of thumb says you will buy a cylinder. If they had 90% uprights and only one or two cylinders you would buy an upright. Interestingly in my shop because I stock more uprights I sell more uprights than cylinder vacuums I will admit if you walked into walmart and the majority of the vacuums on sale were Convertible's and Domestic Sanitaires you would probably walk out with one. I remember when I worked for one appliance company I watched grown men , heads of their respective industry beg and grovel for a Buyer from a certain large chain store. Its amazing to see how the mass market can be influenced by one person the Buyer, and it only takes one buyer to start a trend because when one store has it all the others will follow. So there is a challenge, One of you guys needs to become the buyer for walmart, Then tell hoover that the Convertible needs to come back :) | ||
| Post# 242799 , Reply# 108 7/29/2013 at 16:24 (3,916 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 243158 , Reply# 109 7/31/2013 at 16:43 (3,914 days old) by kirbyfan99 () | ||
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Kirby is best, pure and simple! | ||
| Post# 243179 , Reply# 110 7/31/2013 at 20:02 (3,914 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Kirby is best, pure and simple! | ||
| Post# 243183 , Reply# 111 7/31/2013 at 20:27 (3,914 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York) | ||
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Yes, I have tried dysons, and I must say My dyson dc07 isn't that horrible. it does have great suction, and washable filters, but carpet performance is only "average".
No offense to dyson lovers, but I don't think these two machines can really be compared. It's comparing a plastic thing made in Malaysia to a metal machine made in the U.S. They are both very different, and I respect dyson lovers, but Kirby IS my vote on this one. I don't think any dyson could outclean the newest kirbys. Something interesting that I guess Mr. Dyson didn't catch in his book, "Against the Odds", he said the fantom thunder was quote, a "pretty crummy machine", and was "plagued by horribly clumsy styling". He also said after this that the lightning was "really no better". This is odd because the lightning's body was nearly identical to the dyson dc02, and he WAS the one who designed the commercial Johnson vectron, which later became the fantom, and fantom thunder. I guess he didn't know that someone who would read his book would realize this mistake. | ||
| Post# 243872 , Reply# 112 8/5/2013 at 16:45 (3,909 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Actually no, not quite!
Well bear in mind that Dyson wrote that book in 1997 in its first publication date and the way Iona reacted with their decisions to build what Dyson original envisaged was not met well with the board directors - to quote from Tom Gasko:
",,,In 1989, James Dyson and Iona Appliances of Canada, reached a licensing deal so that Iona could make and sell a line of commercial dual cyclonic upright vacuums, called "Vectron," through Johnson Wax. As James Dyson was the patent holder for dual cyclonic cleaners, this was a mutually beneficial deal for both parties. Johnson Wax would pull out of the commercial vacuum cleaner market in 1991, leaving Iona free to rebadge the cleaners as "Fantom." A television infomercial was created in 1993, proving very successful. However, the filtration of the dual cyclonic upright (which at that time did NOT include a Hepa exhaust filter) was not the greatest. Iona would add the Hepa filter in 1994 as an option. This option was actually included with the machine – consumers were made to think they were getting a special deal if they bought now. In 1995, Iona would add a title to their cleaner, calling it the Thunder. In 1996, Fantom released the Fury – a smaller cleaner with a smaller motor. The Fury found great success through the television infomercial specially prepared for it, while the Thunder model remained popular for larger homes. While the Thunder model was designed as a heavy duty cleaner (remember it was designed originally for commercial use), the Fury model was designed to meet a lower price point. This is where the first problems started to appear. Pulling the air through multiple levels of high efficiency cyclones is not easy for a motor to do. Iona (which was renamed Fantom Technologies) used a far weaker motor in the Fury than in the Thunder – resulting in many failures. The handle release pedal on the Fury was a weaker and more break-prone than on the Thunder as well. Nor did the Fury have the excellent carpet cleaning ability of the Thunder. The Fury was, however, a large seller for Iona, due in part to the light weight as well as the lower price (as compared with the Thunder model). In 1998, James Dyson released the Canister model (the Dyson DC02) to Iona, for them to remake with an electric power nozzle – which Iona would call the Fantom Lightning. At a price point of $329, the Lightning sold like hotcakes. But a poor handle release pedal on the power nozzle, as well as a poor wand and hose design, meant lots of warranty repairs for Fantom. James Dyson had also invented "MEMA" filters (washable filter, resulting in Maximum Efficiency - Maximum Airflow). Fantom Technologies did not want the washable high efficiency filters on their cleaner as they were in the business of selling Hepa filters...n 2001, James Dyson did NOT renew the license deal with Fantom Technologies. Fantom could not make a dual cyclonic cleaner (James held the patents.) so Fantom cheapened the cleaner yet again, calling it the Crosswinds and utilizing a single cyclone – which clogged immediately and was a miserable failure in the market place..." Note, Dyson allowed Iona to remake the designs - he did not design the vacuums that Iona put out to sell. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 244176 , Reply# 113 8/6/2013 at 22:03 (3,908 days old) by rainbowjoel (Dexter NM) | ||
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| Post# 244178 , Reply# 114 8/6/2013 at 22:16 (3,908 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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In my opinion...
The Hoover Vortex was a much better cleaner than the Dyson DC01 in the case that it was easier to empty and clean the shroud as it twisted right off, cleaned better, was easier to use the tools, had a more comfortable multi-grip handle and had lifetime washable filters. I swear Dyson took Hoover to court over it because he was pissed off that Hoover made a better machine than him...What a surprise!
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| Post# 244193 , Reply# 115 8/7/2013 at 01:40 (3,908 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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Just wanted to put-in: I LOVE my Fantom Thunder! In my opinion, It's on of the best (If not the best) Cyclonic Bagless uprights, Or at least to me! Owning Currently The Thunder, 2 Furies and a Broken Cyclone XT, I can say that, In my opinion, The Thunder is a complete dirt dominating beast, The Fury, While with a weaker suction and under-powered motor, This cleaner still appears to perform well in my home. I can't speak much for the Cyclone XT, though, Need to look into that one!
In the past, I performed a "Dyson V. Fantom" Test, In which the Fantoms proved superior. However, This was quite some time ago, I'll be looking into re-performing this experiment with the Thunder, Fury, DC-17 And the DC-07, This time using the 12-Amp fury instead of the 10.
I'll be back with the test results soon, -Alex. | ||
| Post# 244384 , Reply# 116 8/8/2013 at 01:21 (3,907 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
Now, I'll just pick one of my oldest electric vacuums - the direct suction 1925 Vacuette Electric - not to mention any of my newer Kirby's. I would say It preforms remarkable well considering it's 88 years old, and still running at a performance level which exceeds or rivals even most modern vacuums that I've used from Kenmore's to Eureka's. Which of course speaks well of this particular model. The suction on this machine is so strong that it will actually lift the large Persian area rug that have - all minding you with heavy furniture on it. It does this without even tearing up the rugs delicate tassels. It's truly amazing what the simple advent of direct suction can do, and all tied with the rugged longevity of a Kirby still astonishes me! My vote is for Kirby, for I found no other with the exception of Eureka's from that period which can deep clean a rug so completely of salt, dirt, broke glass, nails, knives, sharp sticks, and hand grenades, or whatever you can dream up to throw on a rug. I'm telling this machine is bullet proof, and guaranteed to out live you! What more can you ask for.
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| Post# 244391 , Reply# 117 8/8/2013 at 01:44 (3,907 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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I so agree! My 510 Kirby will pick a throw rug up off the floor! Dysons have great suction, but it is not properly applied ,plus it is flimsy plastic. | ||
| Post# 244937 , Reply# 118 8/9/2013 at 22:32 (3,905 days old) by TASE (Colorado) | ||
When someone asks me what vacuum I recommend, I tell them "one you will use."
If you will vacuum with a Dyson? Fine. If you will vacuum with a Dirt Devil Feather Lite? Go for it. You do need to maintain your carpet. HOWEVER... I have used a lot of Dysons and I just fine them to be another $150 Dirt Devil. In fact, I think that some of my Dirt Devils clean better than the Dysons I've used. My family has always been raised in a "Kirby house." We just have. Our parents would take my grandmother's Heritage over to clean our carpet. They finally ended up buying a GSix new. My daily driver is a Kirby Sentria I bought for less than $40. I find Kirbys to be the better of the two vacuums. The Dyson vacuums have always had this annoying whine while the Kirbys have always had a rather nice, cleaning sound. My sister has owned a Dyson DC07 and a Shark Rotator Lift-Away Professional. After she "cleaned" her apartment with both I brought over my Kirby. In some places you could visibly see where the Dyson missed. The Dyson is very well maintained and it just stunned my sister to see her carpet go from a tan color to white. | ||
| Post# 244948 , Reply# 119 8/10/2013 at 00:17 (3,905 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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| Post# 279267 , Reply# 121 5/4/2014 at 14:07 (3,637 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
My vote is on sebo. As far as out and out cleaning goes, I think my felix gives all the dysons a massive run for their money in terms of performance, usability, versatility, refinement and durability. They are so much easier to clean and repair, parts are weirdly less expensive and I have never used a vacuum which is even half as good as cleaning my plush pile carpets as my felix.
Kirby I appreciate are the Rollys Royce of vacuums in terms of style and performance but they are not as versatile and slightly harder to use in terms of attachments, and they are excessively expensive. Dyson are a huge rip off. Over produced, over marketed, flimsy and cheaply made, near fashion icons. Owning a dyson gives you the same bragging rights as owning an iPhone use to. | ||
| Post# 279280 , Reply# 122 5/4/2014 at 16:40 (3,637 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 279492 , Reply# 123 5/6/2014 at 04:43 (3,636 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
Commercial Use? | ||
| Post# 279508 , Reply# 124 5/6/2014 at 09:08 (3,636 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
Why Kirby of course!!! | ||
| Post# 279525 , Reply# 125 5/6/2014 at 11:04 (3,636 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 279739 , Reply# 128 5/8/2014 at 03:49 (3,634 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Post# 279742 , Reply# 129 5/8/2014 at 06:22 (3,634 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Thought some carpet makers-your warrantee on the carpet was VOIDED if you used a Dyson on it? | ||
| Post# 290125 , Reply# 130 7/24/2014 at 22:41 (3,556 days old) by kirbyds50 () | ||
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My Dual 80 vs my wife's Dyson DC25. 45 years old and my ole Kirby still owns the rugs in the house! CLICK HERE TO GO TO kirbyds50's LINK | ||
| Post# 290186 , Reply# 131 7/25/2014 at 11:16 (3,556 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The thing is at the end of the day, we can keep going backwards and forwards with the Kirby Vs Dyson thing but it isn't any different to testing an old Hoover upright against a new one. Especially when you see most of the current Tat, Hoover in the UK are selling.
Id happily take an old Hoover Junior or Senior any day over any one of Hoover's Purepower uprights. I've owned a few Purepower uprights - they're just not as nice to use, or half the time as efficient in terms of durability and these days current models appear to lack the agitator brush style that the PP used to have. | ||
| Post# 290235 , Reply# 133 7/25/2014 at 18:13 (3,555 days old) by portapower (BRUNSWICK) | ||
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Dyson-- nothing but cheap flimsy plastic destined for the junk yard in a couple of years. Kirbys-- still going strong after more than 60 years. Nuff said. | ||
| Post# 290242 , Reply# 134 7/25/2014 at 19:38 (3,555 days old) by kirbyds50 () | ||
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^^ Try a hundred! The Kirby company has stood the test of time for a very good reason. I doubt Dyson will still be around in 100 years time. | ||
| Post# 290268 , Reply# 136 7/25/2014 at 22:35 (3,555 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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| Post# 290276 , Reply# 137 7/26/2014 at 01:16 (3,555 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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wow! | ||
| Post# 290341 , Reply# 139 7/26/2014 at 13:04 (3,554 days old) by kirbyds50 () | ||
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I don't think Kirby's are all that heavy. Comparing my Dual 80 and my wife's Dyson. When I pick them both up at the same time, they feel the same in weight. 
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| Post# 290342 , Reply# 140 7/26/2014 at 13:08 (3,554 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Yes, Jon ... | ||
| Post# 290353 , Reply# 142 7/26/2014 at 15:18 (3,554 days old) by DesertTortoise () | ||
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Wow, that has to be a record for astroturfing a discussion board. Holy crap Batman! Woulda been better as a video, lol. | ||
| Post# 290356 , Reply# 143 7/26/2014 at 16:14 (3,554 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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But, nevertheless, a most powerful dissertation/thesis. For the most part his analysis was decisively in favor of the superior machine. I especially liked it when he was, quite frankly, critical of the cheap plastic (INFERIOR) garbage/trash. Why, is that laughter I hear? Could it be? Why, it's Mr. Dyson, himself, laughing all the way to the bank saying, " Gotcha, Gotcha, Gotcha!" So in conclusion, I think that the labor VacuumSalesman afforded to this great undertaking is worthy of some praise.
Thank you for you detailed analysis, and Oh yeah, Kirby rules! | ||
| Post# 290358 , Reply# 144 7/26/2014 at 16:33 (3,554 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
I own a Dyson ball and it's ok. I got it pretty inexpensively as a refurbished model. My biggest concern about Dyson is its durability. If it lasts 20 years, will there be parts available to service the motor? If I'm going to pay $700, it better last a lifetime. AND replacement parts had better be available.
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| Post# 290727 , Reply# 146 7/28/2014 at 15:11 (3,552 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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I don't care for Kirby vacuums, at all. They are here, so there are in the Museum, and we have one of every production model. I still don't like the way they belch dust. I don't like the dirt passing through the fan. I don't like the bag hanging off the side, rubbing the walls. I don't like the fact the attachments are in the closet. I hate the fact that they wholesale for $475 and retail for $1900 - the markup is way too high for what you get (a stick, and bag, and a weak little motor).
Plastic isn't bad. I hate when people say "Plastic" like it's a bad thing in vacuums, yet there have been plastic vacuums since the late 1960's and they are still here. The Dyson DC17 is a great vacuum. My DC17 is almost ten years old, and has seen quite a bit of use. The motor is still fine, and since it's a Panasonic motor, I should be able to keep my Dyson running for more than two decades. | ||
| Post# 290730 , Reply# 147 7/28/2014 at 15:15 (3,552 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 290736 , Reply# 148 7/28/2014 at 16:18 (3,552 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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We Shall SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! | ||
| Post# 290750 , Reply# 149 7/28/2014 at 17:56 (3,552 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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Here's how we find the winner of this war- we see which one survives getting mowed-down by a Plymouth Fury at 40 miles an hour!
I noticed something today while vacuuming, Dyson didn't invent the 'turn-on-a-dime' vacuum! We had them LONG before he came along with the ball! I noticed that today with my Kirby Classics floor brush, it has complete swivel steering! But we can go all the way back to the Eureka model M or the Apex 'which-way' vacuums of the 1930s!
Tom,I will agree with you on one of your points. Plastic has two styles, the quality plastics of the older Eurekas and Kenmores, and then there's the cheap, terrible plastics of the Dysons and what-not.
However,I can't disagree more with your view on Kirby. I just used my Classic today, it made my carpets BEAUTIFUL in one single pass. I know you promote Maytag senseless, and they are decent, American-Made vacuums, they still can't polish silverware! | ||
| Post# 290757 , Reply# 150 7/28/2014 at 18:23 (3,552 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England) | ||
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I.. I still find it funny that this thread is still going. It made me smile that Dyson have made all parts for the DC01/02 obsolete. (except belts for the DC01 just because it shares them with some of the other newer models.) I'm sure they will start on the DC03 soon. Imagine if Kirby made everything for the G4 obsolete. And when you work in this area of sales you can see why it's needed.
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| Post# 290771 , Reply# 151 7/28/2014 at 19:05 (3,552 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 290788 , Reply# 152 7/28/2014 at 20:32 (3,552 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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Alex, James............
I must truly admit, when I read your lovely replies, I cried tears of joy. Well done and rightly said. The truth is a powerful weapon and you 'all wielded it most magnificently. Remember, aluminum may tarnish, but tawdry, tasteless plastic soon turns back to that low-cost white dust, and furthermore, what lies beneath, hidden in its dark subterfuge, behind its thin veneer of waste and stinking rot, beats the heart of a undersized and overpowered motor which was never meant to last. It will die a heat death with its poorly insulated conductors...so sad, so very sad.
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| Post# 290791 , Reply# 153 7/28/2014 at 20:42 (3,552 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 290830 , Reply# 154 7/28/2014 at 22:59 (3,552 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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Why Alex, Whatever Do You Mean?
There was no plagiarism involved, I purloined it from my own heart, and I'm here to tell ya, I meant ever last word of it. Now, "The Script of Modern Vacuums" That was pretty clever. Alex, I think you're a poet and just don't know it. You must free the literary beast within and protect Kirby's exalted, lofty name. For we band of brothers have taken the Kirby oath and pledged our....wait just one second, No one is supposed to know about this.
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| Post# 290833 , Reply# 155 7/28/2014 at 23:11 (3,552 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 290836 , Reply# 156 7/29/2014 at 00:25 (3,552 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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Well Thanks Alex.... | ||
| Post# 290892 , Reply# 157 7/29/2014 at 10:55 (3,552 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 290897 , Reply# 158 7/29/2014 at 13:55 (3,551 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York) | ||
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I like Kirby, but they are not my favorite.
I use Kirbys alot on my carpets. I do not enjoy using them for more than one area at a time. They are bulky, heavy and not very user friendly. They are made well, clean well, and have good filtration, but only if you use cloth HEPA bags. They just belched dust before I switched. I hate cleaning with the kirbys when using tools, it is too much trouble when I have canisters to do all of that. They are way too expensive. Somebody on Craigslist wants $2000 FIRM for a 6 month old USED Sentria 2. Really? I think they should go back to something similar to their old designs, pre-classic era. I really like those better. They are much lighter, clean just as well, and the only thing that should change is to have the new design use disposable bags. I know many people have had/have Kirbys. My neighbors have a Heritage 2, my aunt has a Sentria, my dad's friend's mom had a G6, a friend from school has a G5, I have my grandma's best friend's 515, another 2 friends of hers have Kirbys, I just don't know what kind. The lady I bought a G4 from still had her G3 upstairs, some people I have purchased vacuums from replaced what I bought with a Kirby, another neighbor used to have a Heritage. The vacuum exhibit I went to 11 years ago had a G6 limited edition, I have my other aunt's parents 512. They are everywhere. I have found that about 3/4 kirby owners I meet SWEAR by them. I don't blame them, I would take a Kirby over something cheap, but they are not machines I would use every day.
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| Post# 290967 , Reply# 159 7/29/2014 at 19:25 (3,551 days old) by ctvacman (CT) | ||
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Anyone paying over the price listed on the side of the kirby box is just crazy. Although some dealerships cover that up. I always take them by surprise when I tell them the price is listed on the side. | ||
| Post# 291496 , Reply# 160 8/1/2014 at 17:40 (3,548 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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Kirby (esp. pre-G Series) or any high-end vacuum (TriStar) will OUTCLEAN a Dyson! | ||
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