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| Post# 173652 , Reply# 1 3/17/2012 at 08:39 (4,414 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 173658 , Reply# 3 3/17/2012 at 08:50 (4,414 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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"change the belt every four hours of actual use.." | ||
| Post# 173659 , Reply# 4 3/17/2012 at 08:51 (4,414 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
Any upper market vac Baged or bag less with a sealed hepa filtration system will do fine. weather its baged or bag less empty or remove the bag outside Just as much dust will escape the bag as will escape a bag less vacuum when you empty it.If its got the allergy foundations seal of approval its good.
then look after it clean the bag or filters an you won't have a problem. I am heavily allergic to dust and have used a bag less vacuum for more than 10 years now with no ill effects. when I do "play " with my bagged toys I sneeze and cough just as much when throwing the bag out as I do when I empty the bag less one. Even the bags with shut off ports leak dust at that point. | ||
| Post# 173660 , Reply# 5 3/17/2012 at 08:57 (4,414 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Can you tell me, what happens if you wash the filters out? Or when a bit of clogged dust gets stuck in the cyclone shrouds? You can keep shaking the bin outside and use that as an excuse, but you'll eventually have to wash the filters by hand - and Im sorry - that's when dust becomes airborne whether you like it or not, or even when you instantly plop the filter into a sink of hot water.
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| Post# 173664 , Reply# 7 3/17/2012 at 09:18 (4,414 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Mmm, trouble is Trebor - I don't think there's a "corrective" vacuuming situation anymore due to ever changing lifestyle needs in a home. Let me give you an example.
My mum was born with whooping cough. Medically it has been proved that in later life, those born with whooping cough will have a persistent dry cough - and my mum certainly has that. She is also a fan of scented candles and as such a massive buyer of Yankee Candle. Now, if you have any scented candles in the home that are made with animal fats (unless they are soya based), they also attract dust (unless you have the handy more expensive Yankee Candle housewarmer jars or tumbler with lids) and oils, the scents that hang around in the air are just lovely - but if you leave the candles out, you'll soon see a line of dust hanging around. This is also evident on reed diffusers that haven't been swapped around - scented products like these attract dust. In the rooms that we have these candles or reed diffusers, I've noticed a lot more dust build up. Same with extra bedding that attracts dust and builds up more dander. It also depends on the amount of dust particular rooms attract due to the type of room, high ceilings that circulate dust more compared to low ceiling rooms that seem to contain the dust better. Big massive windows often mean a lot more dusting compared to small and if you have appliances like a TV in the bedroom, that's another thing that contributes to dust. Big air con devices or heater fans also distribute dust (one of the things I hate is that you can never remove the grids on fans to remove the dust - yet there are hair dryers on the market that have removable fan vents for cleaning the dust out!) then there's actual curtains that can also retain dust in - unless you remove them everytime to wash - I adore bedrooms and general rooms that have washable PVC pull down blinds instead of soft furnishings. So with some of these additional factors tied in, even if you remove the dust in one day taking into considerations all the furniture moved out of the way and the ardour tasks that present themselves to thoroughly clean the room out, it only takes another two days for dust to then "reappear". | ||
| Post# 173665 , Reply# 8 3/17/2012 at 09:18 (4,414 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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@ sebo fan
when you take a bag out you squeeze it unintentionally and you blow jus as much dust out , according to some tests done by various company's even more dust. I have never in 10 years I have never had to unclog the bin and I wash the filters before they get loaded with dust. But then again I use a proper bagless vacuum and not a cheap copy cat. I wash the filters every 3 months as suggested and there has never been any viable dust on them all. I have cats and dogs and hate pet hair so we vacuum a few times a day | ||
| Post# 173676 , Reply# 10 3/17/2012 at 11:28 (4,414 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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"when you squeeze out a bag' What rubbish!!
@gsheen
Why would you want to squeeze a bag anyway? At the end of the day, why do hospitals still use bagged vacuums? Because it's healthier. If bagless, cyclonic vacuums were so safe and "sealed", why the preference to still using a bagged system? Hospitals aren't afraid of spending more on bags! Not all bagless vacs are the same as you also point out, but MOST bagged vacuums have a self pull seal on them - would you squeeze out a bag full of toxins if you knew they would be damaging to your health? No and most owners don't - they take out the bag and put it into a bin. Ironic when Dyson and other brands suggest using a secondary bag to put all the dust in IF there are allergy sufferers in the home. You also seem to turn a blind eye to washing filters - yet, the moment they become airborne - they start to leak dust - just because you can't see it - all that pet danger, allergen substance etc gets into the air - and even if it doesn't lead an onslaught attack to your asthma or breathing difficulties, whatever you breathe in will get into your lungs. Unless of course you wear a dust mask each time you maintain your filters, you'll be less likely to breathe in what natural gravity and air in the home circulates. But at the end of the day when clinics and health establishments who deal with a great traffic of people, some of which suffer from dust allergies need to stay in places that have to be 100% clinically clean, doesn't it say a lot for bagged vacuums against bagless? | ||
| Post# 173678 , Reply# 11 3/17/2012 at 11:44 (4,414 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California) | ||
get a separate air filter
specifically the Blueair brand, i link to an economical model (currently discounted online btw) from a respected national retailer. I have asthma & allergies & after 40 years of suffering this is one of the best discoveries i've made. COPD has its own concerns but if they are akin to asthmatic ones i suffer then i speak from decades of direct experience.
Remember furnaces, vacuums, pets, people all make & or put dust into the air. And mold/ mildew is even worse. this unit has a quiet setting that truely is nearly silent (yes i'm looking at you Honeywell...). That is absolutely key as you want to leave it on all the time for most effective results. Also these units have sizable filter media that i vacuum for longer life as it is the ultra fine particulate (nearly gaseous) that really is the big part of the problem...not the visible stuff so much, as it is down on the floor (or wherever) telling you its there not mysteriously making your eyes water by simply being almost everywhere in your house constantly. Blueairs come in different models that differ mostly in capacity not unit size btw. the link is to the best value out there (i believe) on Blueairs right now...i now own 5 Blueair units, 3 different models, in two houses...& just unboxed the deal linked below last night & it's purring along at my feet as i write this. Really this product is in a whole other world than the Oreck/Honeywell stuff ( i mention those brands as they are common) - imo & my experience, good luck.... CLICK HERE TO GO TO stricklybojack's LINK | ||
| Post# 173679 , Reply# 12 3/17/2012 at 11:50 (4,414 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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That looks like a super machine, strickly.
For many years we've made do with the simple Chinese made Air Globe. You probably have them in the U.S too. Only downside to this one is that the fan inside gets really dirty and can't be cleaned unless you try and take out the sealed parts or try and clean it with a cotton bud. We didn't use the scented oil because the first model we bought got clogged up with the scented oil BECAUSE IT ALLOWS DUST TO STICK to the impellers. The second model lasted about 5 years and was used to filter the air - I was really shocked as to the amount of dust this basic, low energy fan system pulled in and displayed in the water. Even managed to catch little flying bugs! 
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| Post# 173683 , Reply# 13 3/17/2012 at 12:24 (4,414 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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@Sebofan
in case you missed it the first time then let me say it again, when you take out a bag you unintentionally squeeze it. you have to carry it right ? go and look at your sebo bags you have to remove them first and then fit a cap you will still realise dust into the air. I think thee are a place for both bagged and bag less, Im not biased in any way. If you want bag less get the best dyson , If you want bagged get one that works , Kirby lindhaus, royal. If bags are so safe then why do they burst, henry's kirby's sebo's they all burst .......... if you abuse them and overfill them the same way that any bagless system will fail if you abuse it as for hospitals, all the ones I have been to use huge central vacuum systems | ||
| Post# 173687 , Reply# 14 3/17/2012 at 12:45 (4,414 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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a while ago I saw a study done by one of the big university's in the US can't for the life of me remember there name but I had a good laugh at the result.I lost my copy of it when our pc crashed 4 months ago but if you know a rainbow dealer or search the web you should be able to find it
It was commissioned by rainbow . the aim was what machine put more dirt into ther air during use and emptying. Now I am not the biggest fan of water filtration, I think its messy and a royal pain to use but the results were interesting. to be fair the university not only used a rainbow but also a thermax and a delphin. for bagged vacuums they uses a miele , kirby sebo and a hoover wind tunnel , bagless a dcyson , hoover windtunnel , eureka 3200, and a shark. what was interesting to me is that in removing the bag from each of the baged vacuum as much dust was realised into the air as bagless vacuum been emptied into a bin. the only machines not to realise any dust during emptying were the water vacuums | ||
| Post# 173694 , Reply# 15 3/17/2012 at 12:57 (4,414 days old) by trebor () | ||
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The Lindhaus... upright bags need only be slid off the intake tube, and are still supported by the bag chamber, so no squeezing, even inadvertently. Just close the tab, sealing the opening. | ||
| Post# 173701 , Reply# 17 3/17/2012 at 13:55 (4,414 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 173703 , Reply# 18 3/17/2012 at 14:14 (4,414 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 173843 , Reply# 22 3/18/2012 at 03:03 (4,413 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Trebor
This is so true, many vacuums cleaners offer a hepa filter but not a sealed system. thee is no point in haveing a hepa filter when there is no seal around it or any were in the exhaust system of the machine. One of the best hepa filtration vacuums out there was the Electrolux OXY3 it has its hepa filter before the motor and another one after the motor. the only trouble with having a hepa filter in fron of the motor is that if you are not carefull and let the bag burst you will have to replace the hepa filter as its not washable 
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| Post# 173844 , Reply# 23 3/18/2012 at 03:15 (4,413 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Just One thing,
I am allergic to grass ( I love mowing my lawn ) cats ( I have 11) dust ( i works with vacuums for a living)
many years ago when my parents discovered that I was allergic to every thing ( including chocolate ) every one said oh you must get rid of your pets garden and every thing, my mom refused. What happened was that i built up a resistance to my allergy's. I was chatting to a doctor that specialised in allergy's and he said to me that thanks to modern cleaning chemicals vacuums and air cleaning air cons children aren't getting used to dirt and germs and building up resistance to them so there are more allergy's. Its kind of ironic the very same systems that we buy to help with our allergy's are causing them. | ||
| Post# 173856 , Reply# 24 3/18/2012 at 09:11 (4,413 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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re: Just One Thing
Yes, thanks to modern cleaning chemical vacuums and air cleaning, children aren't getting to used to dirt and germs - thus, when you look at it - when bagless, cyclonic vacuums weren't around, one can certainly summize children were far healthier. Thus, bagless, cyclonic vacuums are newer and because of them, they attribute to children becoming immune to bacteria.
So what does that tell you? | ||
| Post# 173859 , Reply# 25 3/18/2012 at 09:14 (4,413 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Re: central vacs and moving.
Trebor, in the UK, people generally move their stoves and fridge systems. Just wanted to know if there's an alternative portable system that would allow you to take the vac with you. As for garage openers, well, I don't know many who have them - in the UK we don't do electric gates unless you live in a posh mansion and electric garage doors just aren't that much of a necessity.
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| Post# 173861 , Reply# 26 3/18/2012 at 09:53 (4,413 days old) by szymonrules (Philadelphia, PA ) | ||
Well... | ||
| Post# 173862 , Reply# 27 3/18/2012 at 09:57 (4,413 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 173905 , Reply# 28 3/18/2012 at 13:16 (4,413 days old) by IL-Kirby-Fan () | ||
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Kirby will always be the way to go! If someone isn't phyisically able to use one then they probably shouldn't be doing their own cleaning anyway. | ||
| Post# 173910 , Reply# 30 3/18/2012 at 13:50 (4,413 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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What vacuum you choose to use is as much a personal choice as what car you drive. I only drive Mercedes as my personal everyday transport and would never buy an Audi or a Bmw does that make them bad cars, NO they are just not what I like in a car. They don't suit my needs and I don't feel as safe in them, we also have a Range Rover sport and a hyundia, They are both good cars and both have there uses but Im the most happy behind the wheel of my merc's . My wife loves her little hyundia , she doesn't like my merc or the rangy that much its personal. When It was just my wife and my self we had a absolutly brilliant Electrolux ultrasmart vac ,IE Eureka smart vac. It was bagged and did just fine, When through family sircumstances we inhereted 7 cats to add to our 4 I was trully glad to get my hands on a dyson ( not available in SA at the time).
I Love my cats but can't handle pet hair any were( a little ocd) so I vacuum easily 4 times a day( I work from home ) .We are agents for dyson and also vorwerk ( bagged vacuums) they are truly great vacuums but when I tried using one in my house it was impossible. I went thru 4 bags a week, same when we used a miele s7 upright. For me and many many others a dyson is the only way to go. My eldest one is 10 Its cyclone has never clogged , its never snapped a belt on its clutch ( although I have replaced the belts on the clutch every year) Its never had clogged filters. I am now fortune enough to have the option of having 5 dysons in my home one for each area. all work perfectly with no hassle , but then I follow instructions | ||
| Post# 173924 , Reply# 31 3/18/2012 at 15:38 (4,413 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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Dyson There ok not the best if i want bagless i want a either a shark or a electrolux nimble | ||
| Post# 173944 , Reply# 33 3/18/2012 at 16:50 (4,413 days old) by djtaylor (Salt Lake City, Utah) | ||
To Hooverman101...
To Hooverman101:
Since you say that a canister would be your first choice for your home I would suggest that you find a Tri Star. The older CXL or DXL models are, I feel, better made and better performers. But, the newer EXLs are still good vacuums. Use the micro filtration disposable bags and the HEPA exhaust filter. Make sure to put a new belt on the power nozzle and change the bags monthly, if not more often. Just my two cents. Let us know what you choose to do. Best of luck. Justin | ||
| Post# 174131 , Reply# 34 3/19/2012 at 22:46 (4,411 days old) by IL-Kirby-Fan () | ||
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Trebor... My email address is listed in my profile...feel free to direct additional comments there. | ||
| Post# 174138 , Reply# 35 3/20/2012 at 00:30 (4,411 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York) | ||
@hooverman101
As several others mentioned before, a central vacuum is probably the best option. If your mom can afford one, and its possible to install one in her home, a central vac offers the greatest benefit. The power unit is located away from the main living space and it does not exhaust air back into the room. Some units, such as the VacuFlo that I have even exhaust outside of the house. All portable machines exhaust the air that has gone through the vacuum back into the air. No matter how well a portable vac may filter the air and even though it may be a very tiny amount, some dust does get back into the room. Also the exhaust from a portable vac can sometimes blow the existing dust in the room around as you are clean. While this small amount of dust is not likely to affect the average person, even those with moderate allergies, it certainly could affect someone with COPD. The fewer irritants in the house and fewer particles released back into the air by the vacuum, the better off your mom will be. You can find central vacs in at all different price points and can customize the accessories to fit her own needs. After having the VacuFlo system for the past 6 years, there is much less dust in the house than there used to be. Something that I've also noticed is that friends that are highly allergic to cats, and used to be bothered by my cat, can now stay at my house for a much longer period of time before their allergies start acting up. No more pet dander blown around or exhuasted back into the room, its gone once you vacuum it up. Also, a central vacuum usually only needs to be emptied once to twice a year. | ||
| Post# 174153 , Reply# 36 3/20/2012 at 09:06 (4,411 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Bagless is unhealthy.
gsheen
You have missed my point entirely. Find me a hospital that uses a bagless system IF they use vacuum cleaners. I think you'll find you won't be able to. Just because you don't suffer from dust allergies because you have a 10 year old vacuum cleaner that is bagless doesn't mean the whole world will get the same health benefiting results and when health establishments who require 100% clincially, dust free environments, the bagged vacuum is still justifiable. Before I went into collecting vacuums, I adored the Dyson idea - but then I realised through actual ownership that the hype of bagless as being healthier doesn't stand up. Having to continually wash the filters, clear the shrouds and either use the existing filters as they start to tear apart before having to buy replacement filters per year or every 2 years wasn't a cost effective idea and it was far from a clean solution when pet hair got stuck up in the top shroud of the Dyson bin - and no amount of shaking the bin dislodged the clogged dirt. Koobam Maybe ALL of you in the U.S who have good weather, find it a liable excuse that bagless is healthy when you dump contents outside. Do you dump your body waste as well? No, you do that in the home and those who have wet and dry vacs would probably use the toilet to dump the dirt in there. Not exactly healthy but there you go, if you don't have a garden to fall back on. When its cold outside in Scotland or UK, not many people will dump their bagless vacuums outside in the refuse bin. I've only heard of a few local councils in the UK who have had the cheek to charge residents if they dust bins are overly messy with dust from vacuums. Luckily our council doesn't, but they did charge us to have a recycling paper dust bin, when other parts in Scotland back by the SAME council give the bin for free. End of the day, you wouldn't blow your nose in your hand, you'd use a tissue to contain the bacteria. Pretty much the same way as a bagged vacuum versus bagless. | ||
| Post# 174155 , Reply# 37 3/20/2012 at 09:17 (4,411 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 174158 , Reply# 38 3/20/2012 at 09:35 (4,411 days old) by kirby (passadena md) | ||
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i would have to say dyson | ||
| Post# 174160 , Reply# 39 3/20/2012 at 09:39 (4,411 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well you're a salesman for both bagged and bagless brands - you stand by what you believe and lead your buyers on - I'll stand by the medical field and actual reality.
Dust can well "fester" in a bag, but at least its out of harms way. You can also add baking powder/bicarbonate to minimise the smell if you dont have a premium bagged vacuum, - can't really rely on that in a cheap bagless vacuum or premium. | ||
| Post# 174169 , Reply# 41 3/20/2012 at 11:38 (4,411 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Sebo fan,
Thats the thing you don't need to sell dysons they sell themselves. Vorwerk is a very good vacuum but at double the price of a dyson with only a one year limited warranty compared to dysons 5 year extensive guarantee. they are difficult to sell. There is no way that a bagged vacuum is any more healthier than a dyson. If it were so then dyson wouldn't have gained the highest marks from all the allergy foundation. You are very biased . I have worked in the industry my entire life in R&D for many company's. The absolute truth is that every company that is out there that will bad mouth a dyson to every end but behind closed doors they will admit its extremely good and not just that but have a true resentment to there predecessors' who rejected the idea when it was brought to them in the eighties. Many heads rolled when dyson took over the market. I have no problem with either system both have there advantages and disadvantages. | ||
| Post# 174250 , Reply# 44 3/21/2012 at 03:50 (4,410 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Hi Trebor
I can only speak for my country were my company is the authorised dyson dealer for the entire country. every thing is covered by the guarantee, even the hose, and belts. as for abuse , I have a builder here in SA that only uses dc19's and a dc14 for after building clean-up. he has been using them for 5 years now and made that decision after watching my dc19 blow his commercial Karcher out of the water when cleaning up concreate dust from my own home renovations. they are fast becoming the choice here for hotels too as they last longer than the sebo's and are cheap to repair. the hose on a dc23 cost less than the hose on a electrolux ultrasilencer whic sells fo half the price of the dyson. We did a bit of research comparing dyson repair to other makes and its still the cheapest to repair here. Miele and sebo been the most expensive to repair.
I just checked thru my records and yes I have two medical buildings using dysons , the one ,,, oh certain people wont like this much , is the allergy research facility of UCT , university of Cape Town. there are allot of doctors offices that use them too
As for the under the bed thing, yes i don't like that either but I have the dc35 to go under the bed.
On that note though if sebo got there act together in SA and stopped trying to rip of customers with spares parts and bags then I would sell them again too, they are good vacuums. But at $ 150.00 for a brush roll they are insane at the moment | ||
| Post# 174257 , Reply# 45 3/21/2012 at 07:54 (4,410 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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gsheen - Dysons dont sell themselves - they sell built on a reputation that everyone knows about due to the advertising and can ring off the advertising claim- same as Hoover with its "sweeps as it beats as it cleans" principle of metal bar upright vacs. Dyson also sold on a previous reputation that you wouldn't have to replace "anything" on a Dyson to push not to having dust bags. Shame they turned a blind eye to the fact that DRIVE BELTS on their uprights needed to be replaced.
I am very biased - with good reason - I had 3 Dyson vacs and the last model being the City Vac. Best model I think they ever made was the original DC01. I'm only a consumer and previous owner who has seen past a product by its claims and approval promises. I'll give you another example. I have an electric blanket that came with additional claims that it was antibacterial coated, has an inner antibacterial coating that claims to be BAF approved - British Allergy Foundation approved as well as another claim that it kills 72% of bug bites. Which one when compared to a more basic, lower priced electric blanket made of thicker, multiple fibres produced the more dust? One that was BAF approved! You can tell me Dyson vacs are healthier than the more conventional bagless cyclonic vacs. I think they're bad as each other. Claims and approvals can't always be proved and some approvals aren't even worth the paper they're printed on. I'm surprised Vorwerk only come with a 1 guarantee, but then they may not need the extended guarantee due to the quality and workmanship, or reliability. Same with Miele, same with SEBO. Some models come with a 10 year guarantee as a sales incentive against the standard 2 year guarantee. SEBO models come with a 5 year guarantee as standard. Some brands simply don't need it against some brands who do. | ||
| Post# 174265 , Reply# 47 3/21/2012 at 09:37 (4,410 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Trebor - its the same in the UK - which probably explains a major reason to why there aren't many private repairers anymore - cheap vacuum cleaners come with the brand's stickers stating "dont take this back to the shop you bought it from, phone us," and usually it is much cheaper dealing with the brand itself.
When it came to sending my Vax Mach Air back to Vax after the original model's front floor head kept sticking and not going down flat to clean floors with, they included an optional surcharge, that if the machine's bagless filters were dirty they would charge the customer an extra £35 as a penalty. However, Vax did pick up the machine free of charge against having to do the travelling or pay out cost if you were to send the vacuum cleaner back to the shop you bought it from. In hospitals, most of the floors are hard floors for the main traffic and therefore use a much larger twin bodied upright or hard floor vac. However there are carpets in rooms like X ray rooms dependent on the health factor, day care rooms, respite care rooms and even some visiting rooms. Not all the seats are vinyl backed and I often seen cleaners come in with Henry or SEBO uprights to vacuum down the seats as well cleaning out the lifts. | ||
| Post# 174267 , Reply# 48 3/21/2012 at 10:28 (4,410 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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On the subject of durability This is my dc23 shop vac, so called as all its ever been used for is to clean up after our extensive renovations. Its also used in our shop to clean out other vacs. Its 2 years old . It sucks up rubble and concrete and brick and wood chips and every thing you should not suck up in a ordinary vacuum and its done just fine. it gets no special treatment, in fact it gets abused. 
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| Post# 174269 , Reply# 49 3/21/2012 at 10:38 (4,410 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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On Bags , when they were paper they were fantastic but now they are so called high filtration material. High filtration meaning they let all the dirt through. This is a pic of a miele that came in today, we get these all the time. take a look at the dirt on the outside of the bag. the bag is not even half full. so now tell me that you do not come into contact with dust when you use a bagged vacuum , The only way that is possible is i you have the slide like on a lindhaus. PS Sebo fan , dyson does no advertising in SA at all they sell by word of mouth. 90% of my customers are word of mouth. 
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| Post# 174274 , Reply# 51 3/21/2012 at 13:44 (4,410 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Hi Trebor
Yes I have had damaged torn dyson hoses but only on dc07, not the newer dc14 and dc25. However it's about customer use or abuse. My dc07 which is 2005 model has been used every day of its life and used to clean up all sorts and I have never broken the hose. Its a UK model fitted with a USA sole plate and brush. I have a dc19 that has been thru worse. Our house is brick and concrete so any renovations cause massive dust and bits of rubble.
On the USA plastic difference , I work on a lot of USA dyson's( needing conversion from 110v-220v) , people moving back from there stay there. I have never noticed any difference in the quality, I actually prefer the brush rolls fitted to the USA spec dysons. at the moment we have a dc07 and a dc25 that are in for voltage changes. I checked both against Uk and SA models , they all seem to be of similar quality.
We have very fine dust in SA. The miele's always look like this | ||
| Post# 174279 , Reply# 53 3/21/2012 at 14:50 (4,410 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 174284 , Reply# 54 3/21/2012 at 15:21 (4,410 days old) by trebor () | ||
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gsheen.. I'll bet you always make sure the hose is pointed in the direction of use, and that you never pull the upright around like a canister by the hose. And I am sure you maintain them well. | ||
| Post# 174287 , Reply# 55 3/21/2012 at 15:53 (4,410 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Hi Trebor
Yes you are right. The only machine that gets abused is that poor dc23 but even then I look after it by cleaning it regularly. The bin takes a beating though with all the renovations going on here. But yea I look after my stuff. My 8 year old lawn mower looks like it did when I first bought it and that gets used every week.
Any vacuum will have a lengthy life span if you look after it. I like all vacuums bagged a bag-less. | ||
| Post# 174291 , Reply# 57 3/21/2012 at 16:35 (4,410 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
Both Canister and Upright Mieles had the Hyclean Bag | ||
| Post# 174294 , Reply# 58 3/21/2012 at 17:04 (4,410 days old) by Koobam () | ||
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Dysons are truly HEPA sealed Here's a video proving that not only do Dysons exhibit excellent floor pickup - but also have a truly sealed HEPA system - CLICK HERE TO GO TO Koobam's LINK | ||
| Post# 174340 , Reply# 60 3/22/2012 at 06:56 (4,409 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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@ venson
NO no diamond dust :( but yes it was some drywall dust) what interested me was that I used my dyson dc25 to vacuuum the rest of he room and not a hint of drywall dust on the filter at all.
We still have the miele and it still does that with new bags in we bought it as a sample vac when we were going to sell them, its a great vacuum, super quiet but every time I change the bag I take it to the workshop and blow out the container and filters. so much for bags having no contact with dust .
I have never seen so many Miele's with burnt out motors as I do these days, sure they are using a cheaper higher revving motor but when we disassemble the machine the insides are coated in dust and the charcoal filter is packed with dust
we have the same problem with the new Kirby bags here to.
Here's the way I see it as trebor said it was the paper bags that clogged that gave rise to James Dysons invention. the paper bags would clogg with fine dust.The new hign filtration bags do not clog, so If the fine dust is not clogging the bags were is it going?? To give something high airflow rate you make the pours in the material bigger so that air can pass more easily through it.
if you tool drywall dust and sucked it up with a paper bag the machine would clogg fast but no dust on the inside of the caseing do the same with the new high filtration bags and they won't clogg as fast but there will be a lot of dust on the inside of the casing.. I did this with a miele, and kirby
Then I found out this dirty little secret. paper is expensive very expensive and the machines that manufacture the bags cost the good part of a few million dollars , this new synthetic material is not expensive and the machines needed for its manufacture from material to bag cost about $ 100 000 . that's why its suddenly become so popular, its cheaper to manufacture and yet they charge us more for it | ||
| Post# 174342 , Reply# 61 3/22/2012 at 07:06 (4,409 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 174343 , Reply# 62 3/22/2012 at 07:38 (4,409 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Most first time buyers of a dyson in SA buy it due to the 5 year guarantee. Dysons are about 4 times the price of he avarage vacum purchase in SA. Because people have cleaning lady's who clean the house most people don't give much though to there vacuum. Most of our first time customers have never heard of a dyson before!!!!!
People here aren't as concearned with vacuuming as in other country's . Our climate is great beautifull, were I stau the scenery is awesome. Our houses windows and doors are all open so dust gets in any way. Right now Im sitting in my office which is a 8m x 7m room , It has two sets of french door leading out to different parts of the garden both fully open and 6 windows all open too. we have great weather so people spend more time outside than in. even in winter. even though I vacuumed about an hour ago some leaves have blown in from outside onto the carpet. you can dust now and in an hour there will be a faint covering of dust again.
Just for the record I have never noticed even the slightest loss of suction in any of my dysons but then again I know how to use them properly. even that dc23 that sucks up rubble has great suction and airflow after its job. and not a trace of building dust on the filter..
I often have them come in with no suction , but then you see the customers DON'T follow the simple instructions don't go above the max mark on the bin and it will work great, go above the max mark and the dirt will get sucked up into the cyclone clogging it up , Its a rather simple thing but then you know some people are just too simple to follow an instruction :) | ||
| Post# 174432 , Reply# 64 3/22/2012 at 21:13 (4,409 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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As you say gsheen, yes, people ignore instructions.
But to reiterate what Trebor has just referred to, " The electrostatic material can only capture so much. Exceed its capacity and there will be dirt escaping." So even if airflow is flowing through a Dyson, with customers ignoring the bag full line on the bin and allowing dust to continually jam up in the shroud filter, the electrostatic filter on the base by the motor can only compensate so much. Yes Ive heard of South Africa. My best friend moved there about 5 years ago. They went and bought a Sebo. It's still there, still works and the family who are renting off them say its the best they've had and they have sand all around the back of their home. Mind you, with people coming up to the house daily demanding for food or money, a vacuum cleaner is the least of their worries. | ||
| Post# 174464 , Reply# 65 3/23/2012 at 00:54 (4,408 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Yes South Africa is great but your friends are exaggerating a bit , people don't come to your house begging for food and money ( not unless the house they bought is in the less fortunate area's and I doubt that. the problem here is that allot of people are just to lazy to work , you will get beggars but at street lights in the city centres but you get those in every city.
Just out of interest were did your friend stay that he has sand all around the back of his house ,,, in the desert maybee :) | ||
| Post# 174480 , Reply# 67 3/23/2012 at 02:53 (4,408 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY) | ||
All this talk about bags has me wondering - has technology improved the paper bags? Are paper bags bought today BETTER than paper bags bought, say in the 70s? - Or has the only advancement been the introduction of the synthetic cloth type bags? I know the bags I have say microlined or 4 ply, but I'm not sure if those type of paper bags even existed back then.
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| Post# 174531 , Reply# 69 3/23/2012 at 13:12 (4,408 days old) by trebor () | ||
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| Post# 174654 , Reply# 70 3/24/2012 at 06:08 (4,407 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 174705 , Reply# 71 3/24/2012 at 13:17 (4,407 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 174722 , Reply# 73 3/24/2012 at 15:44 (4,407 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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Why Don't all of you!!! Just get a real vacuum, one that DOES NOT blow dust, runs forever and is quiet!!! A FILTER QUEEN! | ||
| Post# 174723 , Reply# 74 3/24/2012 at 15:54 (4,407 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 174724 , Reply# 75 3/24/2012 at 16:03 (4,407 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY) | ||
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| Post# 174728 , Reply# 77 3/24/2012 at 16:49 (4,407 days old) by Trebor () | ||
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For awhile... Filter queen offered filter cones sealed to a plastic baggie. Did not last long. | ||
| Post# 174731 , Reply# 78 3/24/2012 at 17:15 (4,407 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
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| Post# 174765 , Reply# 79 3/25/2012 at 05:04 (4,406 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Whoops, a problem with Bagless!
Out of interest, I did a spot of carpet cleaning yesterday. I'm still waiting for my repaired Bissell washer to return from its repair/service. In the meantime I've resorted to cleaning on the spot stains with Sebo DUO P powder. This stuff is great. Anyway.. there I was going around the carpet putting the powder down, rubbing it in and getting rid of the stains. This is like microfibre power - very small, very grainy. Went to grab the nearest vacuum to hand which was my Vax Mach Air (it now has new filters, since it's been a year and a half since I bought it and the top, original filter is beyond constant washing out).
Vacuuming along quite the thing, all powder removed, all of it visible in the clear bin. Then I discovered a thin line of powder OUTSIDE the bin, clinging to the plastic. So much for being sealed! You may of course experience this with the comparative Hoover Windtunnel Air. | ||
| Post# 174768 , Reply# 80 3/25/2012 at 06:29 (4,406 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Hi Sebo fan
check your bin seal at the bottom, the trouble with the push button release system on most bag less vacuums is that the seal can deteriorate or get damaged when something gets stuck on it and the bin door is closed deforming the rubber. we had some trouble on some dc14 dysons like that. we simply replaced the seal on the bin door and it solved the problem | ||
| Post# 174769 , Reply# 81 3/25/2012 at 07:02 (4,406 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
Quite amusing for the brand that says you wont have to buy extras, from having to buy bin bags to empty it if you want to stay away from the dust, to having to buy filters regardless every year or so and now you have to replace the seal on the dust bin to keep it from spewing out dust. Way to go!!!!
Pass me those H4's ......... | ||
| Post# 174775 , Reply# 82 3/25/2012 at 09:22 (4,406 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 174779 , Reply# 83 3/25/2012 at 09:31 (4,406 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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| Post# 174780 , Reply# 84 3/25/2012 at 09:41 (4,406 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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well so far in SA there have been only 5 cases, my 5 year old dc14 has never done it. every machine breaks no matter what make , hoovers , kiry's sebo's rainbows you name it they all have flaws and break. you like turbo masters , so do I my mom had 3 when they were new all of our family members bought them too they were the best selling upright in South Africa in there day and yet they all broke in the same places , the lower back casing and the chasis just behind the left wheel. They had a built in flaw , there motor was to heavy for there back casing and upright switch causing stress fractures whenever you wheeled the machine around on its back wheels. Ever manufacturer has them | ||
| Post# 174782 , Reply# 85 3/25/2012 at 09:55 (4,406 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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Yes I see your point but then the rules of evolution say we learn from mistakes. Hoover's Turbomaster Freedom Bagless had poor seals and leaked dust terribly. dyson researches? Why didnt they realise a crappy seal will eventually perish and break the dust holding of a cleaner?
Simple Physics here. and its taken Dyson and other makes 20 years to realise this? Motors and mechanicals will always break but the very seals that keep the dust in for the purpose of the machines use should have been fit for use from the very start. Hell even washing machine door seals have come a long way since the 70's and 80;s where occasional replacement was needed due to the rubber perishing on hot washes and chemical attack. Now they are usually replaced due to REAL user error from gashes and cuts through pockets not being checked of sharp objects and not heat/chemical breakdown. | ||
| Post# 174786 , Reply# 86 3/25/2012 at 10:13 (4,406 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Yes I see what you mean too, however , I have only done 5 and 3 of those were due to customer neglagence . Its amazing what people suck up in a vacuum , hell I have even had a LIVE hamster in a Hitachi vacuum hose, customers will suck up broken glass and not empty the bin carfully so a piece will get stuck and damage the seal.
funny thing is I still prefer the old type bins like those found on the dc08/19/29 machines , I have kids and when lego gets sucked up its easier to get it out of those style bins. | ||
| Post# 174791 , Reply# 87 3/25/2012 at 11:27 (4,406 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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well, I for one find your perception of customer abuse quite unusual.
You should not be sucking up glass? When somone knocks a christmas bauble off the tree and steps on it crushing it into the carpet I for one like the rest of this country would not exactly reach for the dustpan and brush to be sure of removing all of the glass. Same as dropping a glass, have smashed glasses on my kitchen floor and il be damned if im not using a vac to get it up off the rug. I find that blame on the user null and void, its only common sense that glass will be sucked up by users even particles small enough to go up the hose which would pose a risk of lacerations if picked up with hands. Still dont understand why the rubber seal is an issue and if cuts are a threat to it then bagless manufacturers ought to go back to the drawing board and design something of use. | ||
| Post# 174794 , Reply# 88 3/25/2012 at 12:53 (4,406 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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If you read it properly you would see I never mentioned that the customer abuse had any thing to do with glass. However whether you have bagged or bagless vacuums (Unless shop vacs) are not designed to pick up glass.
I mean would you suck up large pieces of glass with your turbo master. No you wouldn't as it would damage the fan and the flexible hose if you used that and it could and likely would rupture the bag.
Vacuum cleaners are designed for picking up dust and dirt.
BUT Yes I have sucked up glass with my vacuum but I have the brains to pick up the big pieces with the dustpan first. Unfortunately allot of customers don't.
90% of the work we do is customer abuse, I had a machine come in yesterday with a jammed brush roll and the entire under body screws showed sever rust. the brush roll bearings had rusted shut and were full of rust. When I called the customer she admitted that she had spilt wine on the carpet. She had followed an old wives tale of putting salt on the wet carpet and suckin it up with he vacuum. she said the stain disappeared . she was so happy until I handed her the quote for repairing her vorwerk brush roll base plate and the entire brush drive mechanism. It would have been cheaper to call in a carpet cleaner | ||
| Post# 174796 , Reply# 89 3/25/2012 at 13:11 (4,406 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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Yes I see what you mean too, however , I have only done 5 and 3 of those were due to customer neglagence . Its amazing what people suck up in a vacuum , hell I have even had a LIVE hamster in a Hitachi vacuum hose, customers will suck up broken glass and not empty the bin carfully so a piece will get stuck and damage the seal.
The above staement clearly says to me that at least one of the seals you have replaced has been due to broken glass. Otherwise how could you make a comment like that? So yes you did mention it. As for the Turbomaster, go back to my evolution statement. I do use mine to clean up glass and have no issues but thats my choice although yes your right the machine and bag could get damaged. If Dyson really was advanced as they make out to be then they should be looking at issues to SOLVE issues to real life scenarios. Cleaning up broken glass IS requirement of its use from time to time and my point is BY NOW WE SHOULD HAVE DESIGNS TO ALLOW USERS TO DO SO. WHY IS IT WE DONT? Would you allow your children to crawl across a carpet you had not used a vacuum to clean up broken glass? I doubt many parents would, so if Dyson is listening to consumers why do their machines not handle such things? Its not that difficult surely. | ||
| Post# 174799 , Reply# 90 3/25/2012 at 13:30 (4,406 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Ok you have a point but then why just dyson , why does every one in the forum love to knock dyson, This is ent to be a forum were people who love vacuums can discuss them , not break down and nock each others favourite machines, kirby's sell for 4 times more than a dyson and if you listen to there marketing hype is supposed to be the most advanced vacuum in the world and yet if you sucked glass it could damage it just as badly. Any domestic vacuum out there can be damaged by glass
The machine that had a damaged bin seal due to glass was a samsung/bissel that we had in here on thursday. I never said it was a dyson
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| Post# 174804 , Reply# 91 3/25/2012 at 13:58 (4,406 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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My point with taking Dysons as an EXAMPLE is that their marketing claims to outperform anything else so if that is the case why shouldnt they pick up glass after all its a customer requirement?
I will also apply that comment to any other bagless cleaner just to be sure. Your reading too much into my posts and assuming im here to bash Dysons, im not. Ive had 4 i know exactly what they are like as a brand and how the performance is. I also dont need to make comment on them, I dont have them anymore thus they dont hold much interest to me these days. Im sorry you dont like my regional dialect and slang, Kids/babies/children/young human beings/bairns/wee ones, all the same to me as im sure S.A. has such terms closely related however not living there or ever visiting i couldnt say. I can assure you we do in the UK. | ||
| Post# 174806 , Reply# 92 3/25/2012 at 14:05 (4,406 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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My point with taking Dysons as an EXAMPLE is that their marketing claims to outperform anything else so if that is the case why shouldnt they pick up glass after all its a customer requirement?
i also forgot to add the following.... and why do the seals on Dysons also leak dust and require replacing as you mention? its been a long day today sorry for any confusement | ||
| Post# 174807 , Reply# 93 3/25/2012 at 14:07 (4,406 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Hi Robert Sorry if you took that offensivly I in no way intended it to be.
any way I do understand what ou are saying. I sell dysons in my shop and use them in my home but by no means think they are faultless. I also wish the rest of the world could get the models the USA gets with there aggresive brush rolls , I have 3 USA models that I have converted to run on 220 v and there cleaning performance leaves the UK and eu models in the dust.
On another point my mom also had a moulinex major , and then a hoover turbomaster with a vax inbetween for cleaning carpets
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| Post# 174808 , Reply# 94 3/25/2012 at 14:15 (4,406 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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No worrys mate
out of the five we had two machines with deformed seals , one of the hassles we have encountered is that customers will wash the bin out ald leave it with the lid open in the sun, In certain areas, were all five machines came from it can easilly reach 45deg c , the rubber would become soft and deform when the bin was closed causing a faulty seal. This is only a presumtion as we did try and replicate this but could not get the exact results.
funny thing is if you look further up this thread you will see a pic of my dc23 that I use for cleaning up after building work here at home. its bin seals tight with no dust residue on the outside of the tank and it really gets abused. | ||
| Post# 174838 , Reply# 96 3/25/2012 at 20:31 (4,406 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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"Vacuum cleaners are designed for picking up dust and di
Yes, they are designed for picking up general dust - but outside that equation, some can also pick up a lot more like paper clips, tacks, small screws, bolts and glass. All of which my Sebo uprights can pick up without breaking the brush rolls and just seems happy enough to take everything up into the bag. My study sees a lot of paper work, from paper shredding which includes the odd paper clips, tacks and plastic clips - all of which gets passed through the shredder without being shredded, and at times when it comes to emptying the bin into a bag, these bits and paper get chucked onto the carpet.
Miele dust bags are similar to SEBO's - strong enough to take a tack or two, or anything reasonably sharp. Infact Miele's videos about the HyClean bag shows its inner layers keeping back sharp objects like tacks/pins. I checked the seal on the Vax, but it is perfectly sealed - it just seems to be a fact that the powder seems to coat the outside of the bin = perhaps due to the poor concertina dust channel at the side. If I can get my finger wedged to open it, there's nothing stopping the force of suction air pushing powder out - but I'm not too worried. Next time I'll use a bagged vacuum, Bosch, Miele or Sebo to get the powder off. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 174871 , Reply# 99 3/26/2012 at 01:08 (4,405 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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I also thought of that, I have a customer /friend who uses dc07 dysons in his dry carpet cleaning business. Due top the dust spinning around in the container it can create some static and cause some brands of powder that is airborn to cling to the outside of the container.
Earlier sebo's the brown ones built up static on there cleaner heads so when you did dry carpetcleaning the entire head would be covered in powered | ||
| Post# 174912 , Reply# 103 3/26/2012 at 15:25 (4,405 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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I am trully impressed with the new range of dysons. I own the company that is responsible for carrying out all the guarantee and authorised service center for SA. I am a consulting engineer fro the company that holds the license to sell dysons here. as such I get my hands on all the new models long before they are launched here to make check whether they will suit our market. I am so impressed with the dc37 /39 animal. I am not a cylinder person but am really impressed with this unit. They took a dc23 and fixed all the flaws and made it better.
The new dc40/42 is much easier to use than a dc25 . and the dc35 is my favorite handheld/stick vacuum.
As for the felix Its really nice to see sebo actually bring out a new model, ( there engineering department must be a very boring place to work with a new model every 15 years kind of like Porsche ) Its the best Sebo I have ever used and far better than anything else they offer. Its proving very popular with the hotels too now if they would just get there pricing right in SA | ||
| Post# 174975 , Reply# 104 3/27/2012 at 06:03 (4,404 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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You seem to think that Sebo are a mass company who produce everything like Miele, Bosch and loads of others. As you will know, Sebo are a private company and only produce vacuum cleaners and their associated cleaning products and accessories. No wonder it takes a long time to get a model to market and I think in most ways, their X series and likewise commercial uprights have kept them in business, worldwide along with the cleaning company models like Jeyes, Windsor and Ensign who have used all of Sebo's uprights. I think at one point Windsor also had a Felix based "Axxcess" model which has either retired or only available as an exclusive from some U.S sellers. I don't think the Felix would have been such a success without the canister/cylinder range components behind it. Sebo however are in a lucky position - I guess, along with Vorwerk who produce "only" vacuums. To be able to remain privately owned and only producing one type of product that is built to a fantastic standard with excellent reliability. Blakaeg - the synthetic dust bags for the X series are not available to buy because they are proving to be expensive to sell. No reason for Sebo's preference to S-Class filtration - just a matter of cost - and on the basis that the normal paper bags sell in either 7 or 10, Sebo worked out they'd sell 4 or 5 for the same cost price and I don't think Sebo won't to muscle in on Miele territory selling 4 bags are comparative prices - Sebo has always been cheaper where their dust bags are concerned - in the UK at least - and to the best of my consumer knowledge. | ||
| Post# 174980 , Reply# 105 3/27/2012 at 07:49 (4,404 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
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| Post# 174981 , Reply# 106 3/27/2012 at 07:53 (4,404 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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i know allot about sebo I used to work for them. I prefer compny's like sebo, vorwerk, Kirby, rainbow, dyson , who's mainly make vacuum cleaners. It means they are consentrating on just that. The problem I had with sebo's was that because there model design was so old they could easily be out cleaned by a vacuum costing half there price but with the felix they cought up.
the best cleaning clean air vacuums will always be a canister with a pn however they are awkward to use. the next best thing is to use a upright that is designed with the suction power of a canister and the pn.
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| Post# 174983 , Reply# 107 3/27/2012 at 09:17 (4,404 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK) | ||
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Sebo Fan The HEPA box doesn't have Synthetic bags. They called them 'Ultra Bags' but the material isn't like the bags on the Felix, D and K machines. Sebo UK have them available. | ||
| Post# 175004 , Reply# 109 3/27/2012 at 12:19 (4,404 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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blakaeg - if you could supply a photo of these bags, then I'd know what you're referring to - I've a feeling the HEPA bag may be white paper based, like the older K series dust bags? I have a sample synthetic bag to which I'm referring to - same material as the newer electret filtrete on the K, D and Felix models - sorry for the confusion.
When it comes to general cleaning with my Felix, I don't tend to raise the power. I find it picks up with just the low setting. The PN makes all the difference. I've tried my deluxe kombi tool with the Felix, still swerves around corners, but it can be an effort to push. I've only ever replaced my Felix wrap around once since I got mine 5 yrs ago. A lot of owners I know just don't bother replacing them - they do seem to last a rather long time. | ||
| Post# 175005 , Reply# 110 3/27/2012 at 12:23 (4,404 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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gsheen - they're not concentrating on anything other than vacuums - Sebo was set up by two engineers to produce a better vacuum cleaner for the commercial market.
I had forgotten about the "Flexamatic" model name. My cousin in NYC was impressed with the Felix when she visited me and I had recommended the Felix at a time when Sebo U.S didn't have them yet. She went around looking for the Axxcess and finally got one. Slightly different by colour and she found one with a variable suction slider on the handle, so she's very happy with it. | ||
| Post# 175006 , Reply# 111 3/27/2012 at 12:47 (4,404 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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Miele My miele bags never leaked. Idk what yall pick up in them but mines hasnt done that | ||
| Post# 175010 , Reply# 112 3/27/2012 at 13:22 (4,404 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 175034 , Reply# 113 3/27/2012 at 17:16 (4,404 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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If you had referred to my previous post, I did note that Sebo make "associated cleaning products and accessories," and I take it you're referring to Sebo Duo P powder, the DuoP machine and the new polisher head for the Felix/Dart? Anything else with a Sebo name on it (some sellers worldwide have a round tub canister that has been licensed TO Sebo for selling alongside their main ranges of commercial uprights.) Also, Eureka are no longer a proper brand - they are owned by Electrolux - therefore the home company spin out other appliances as do AEG in the UK, Zanussi (who never before had vacuums until Electrolux started to rebrand old models.) John Lewis appliances are also sold "mostly" from Electrolux bar their floorcare with a few exceptions - the last John Lewis upright vacuum was based on the Electrolux Highlight bagged upright, and their cylinder/canister based on a Bosch vacuum. | ||
| Post# 175042 , Reply# 114 3/27/2012 at 17:53 (4,404 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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True HEPA filtration TriStar/Compact (w/HEPA motor filter) Filter Queen Or U can go for a Vacuflo or central vac Don't go for a Dyson! :P I wouldn't touch another one ever again; that's why I no longer own the dc23s, although the dc23 TurbineHead is the best Dyson vac. | ||
| Post# 175649 , Reply# 115 4/3/2012 at 06:12 (4,397 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Have a look at this video I just found. It's quite old but shows a Dyson versus our 3 in 1 British Numatic George (brother of Henry) with an air driven turbo brush. I'd have thought the Dyson would have won - but the crucial point is that as the poster does point out, the airo brush leaves a darker side of carpet to the Dyson's. It's a good video on the basis that the bagless upright is going against a bagged machine, canister no less with an air driven turbo brush that most people discount on its use.
Compared to Dyson, Numatic's machines have excellent sealed suction. This is due to the canister's design as well as the rubberised end on the dust channel and the bags themselves. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
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