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Thread Number: 16115
The word on Miele Canister Vacuums |
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| Post# 171808 , Reply# 3 3/3/2012 at 23:42 (4,434 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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Well I love my miele, 20 years is all i want to keep a vaccum. Heck central. Vacs are better then any filthy kirby or tristar. | ||
| Post# 171809 , Reply# 4 3/3/2012 at 23:47 (4,434 days old) by danemodsandy () | ||
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Um, Josh: Can you share your thoughts on why you think a quadruple-filtration TriStar is "filthy?" I for one am all ears. | ||
| Post# 171812 , Reply# 5 3/3/2012 at 23:56 (4,434 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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Well I like tristar | ||
| Post# 171814 , Reply# 6 3/4/2012 at 00:08 (4,434 days old) by danemodsandy () | ||
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Ah. TriStars are filthy, but you like them. Ohhhhh-kayyyyyyyyy.... | ||
| Post# 171815 , Reply# 7 3/4/2012 at 00:10 (4,434 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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I meant Kirbys . But after i get a home of my own im buying a central vacuum | ||
| Post# 171829 , Reply# 9 3/4/2012 at 07:00 (4,434 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Miele isn't always marvellous...
Well said Venson!
Everyone is in a tailspin. But it's pretty one minded to think of "waning quality and innovation," with just one circumstance. What you might think is "waning quality" from the zip of a soft bag breaking to another consumers thought of poor silver coating paint on the exterior body can't be judged 100%. In terms of quality and durability, I was to learn the hard way that Miele motors hate water! My elderly aunt was using our Miele S4212 one day picking up, what she thought was a huge amount of dry grit on the floor mat at the front door. Turned out to be wet grit someone had brought into the home from the snow outside. Synthetic bag was damp, naturally pushing the wet grit to the bottom of the bag, wetness affected the useless felt motor filter, and water entered the system. Miele know how to make good vacuum cleaners but because of cost they won't bother putting their design expertise right. It's like a lot of brands out there - they have existing technology but they won't release it. From my point of view, Miele need to protect their motors better and they have to get rid of the top exhaust system where you breathe in the motor air (no matter if its protected by Active Air Clean filters or HEPA) each time you need to change the suction setting. I have an old S571. I had two but one was sold and the one I have is about 15 years old. It does the job it is supposed to do well. It is sadly, very heavy and over the more modern ones Miele sell, I wouldn't part with it because of the sterling service it has given and for the most part, seems to be better protected than the diddly S2, S4 and newer S6. Over European brands like Electrolux and Hoover though, Miele are far better at producing vacuums - but at a price! SEBO are now also starting to build good canister machines - they're not as quiet as Miele - but they are better built for extra longevity. | ||
| Post# 171837 , Reply# 11 3/4/2012 at 09:15 (4,434 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 171842 , Reply# 13 3/4/2012 at 10:45 (4,434 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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So what you're saying is, all "portable" vacs are junk, and everyone should throw them out and waste money on a central vac, all because you like them? I'll save my money thanks... | ||
| Post# 171861 , Reply# 17 3/4/2012 at 13:32 (4,434 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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I didnt mean All vacuum portable vacuums are junk! | ||
| Post# 171869 , Reply# 20 3/4/2012 at 15:15 (4,434 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
I have a Miele Callisto and a Miele Jazz. While I don't have any long-term experience to judge overall durability, I would say they are solidly built. They're also strong performers, being powerful and thorough cleaners. I would, however, echo some of what was said above. The power cord on the canister (Callisto) is too short. Perhaps its length is appropriate for European homes but not for large American Ranch-style homes. Additionally, the bags are small and expensive. With the few drawbacks, I would still recommend either of the ones I have.
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| Post# 171872 , Reply# 23 3/4/2012 at 15:39 (4,434 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
Hi RS Sebo-Fan!
You say that Miele "have to get rid of the top exhaust system where you breathe in the motor air". I understand your complaint, but I really think it is a small price to pay to make sure your vac is not blowing loose dirt and dust that is sitting on the surface of a floor. I actually will never buy another canister that does not have the exhaust leaving the machine from the top for that very reason. After playing with a new Hoover/Maytag stainless steel floating Constellation, I was very glad to sell it - the downward exhaust made cleaning so much more of an effort as it blew dirt in every direction. I vote for top exhausting canister vacs! I also prefer canisters that have the cord exitting from the top - so much easier to pull out and wind in. But these are just my preferences - too each his or her own... :-) | ||
| Post# 171878 , Reply# 24 3/4/2012 at 16:39 (4,433 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
I like the exhaust on the top of the vacuum as well.... I agree with you Eurekaprince, I much prefer the exhaust coming out of the top. I don't like to blow dust around when I am trying to vacuum it up. Aerus/Electrolux exhausts from the top as well. I have had a Royal pony and I have an Air Way Sani Clean, both exhaust from the back......
Sincerely,
Bud Mattingly PR-21 | ||
| Post# 171885 , Reply# 26 3/4/2012 at 17:44 (4,433 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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Im Sorry@ twocvbloke, i got a little heated . Sorry for sounding rude | ||
| Post# 171914 , Reply# 32 3/4/2012 at 20:23 (4,433 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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"Another thing..top exhausts..."
danemodsandy… what you described perfectly about the selling experience of the high cost Miele mirrors the same selling experience we got when we had a Kirby salesperson visit us back in the 1980's. He didn't get a sale sadly and the upright was far too big to wield around our narrow hallways - one of the very reasons to why we preferred our more basic Hoover Junior models. The Kirby looked and felt wonderful - but its £1000 cost price was far too expensive and when it struggled to get down our narrow hallway, no matter how much dust it picked up compared to our tiny little Junior, it made no sense as a purchase.
I will say this about Miele though - they may produce "selected models" in the U.S by putting names to them and then kitting out the machines with different accessories and attachments and then hiking up the price - but in the UK Miele were perhaps not as clever as they would like to think by offering the same accessories online. This means savvy UK buyers who may not be able to afford the "Cat and Dog" S5 vacuum could easily just buy a basic S5 and a second hand turbo brush with the Active Air Clean filter on board. Hey Presto you've probably saved yourself £40 to £50 in the making. eurekaprince - Since Miele's 1970's block canisters, they have forever put the exhaust at the top - it is a total nightmare if you don't have the higher cost Active Air Clean or HEPA filter bought before hand to change the old one. I find the Super Clean micro filter useless for airborne dust capture. More noticeable I may add, when you have freshly painted walls and you're trying to vacuum up the carpet - next thing is airborne dust captured on the walls forever unless you add another coat of paint! Now that isn't going to happen EVERY DAY but it is more of a major pain when I don't like ingesting the motor each time I bend down to change the suction anyway as I already said. I also own two Bosch canister vacs - they mirror the Miele on design but the exhaust is also at the top but diffused down the way towards the cable - so when you bend down to change the suction dial setting, you don't get a face full of air. It's a simple design that I'd have thought "the masters of hygiene," Miele would have changed by now - they are after all, the only manufacturer who produce clinical grade cleaning systems - so you'd have thought that a company who pride themselves on containing bacteria would have changed the exhaust so that the owner doesn't get the machine air that pumps out. I have had budget priced Hoover canisters (the Telios especially) where the exhaust is also located at the top - but it doesn't give you a face full of air either because the exhaust is diffused away from the suction slider. The best exhaust system I've found so far is offered on the Sebo C, K and newer D series canisters - all contained at the sides within the air belt bumper. Such a handy idea that offers protection to the home, the vacuum and no way near the user! If you look at the pic below you'll see all the arrows of how the diffused air works from the compact K canister. The top arrows from the top filter (in green) indicate the motor air being diffused through the filter and inside the vacuum towards the sides through the Airbelt. Now if Sebo, a company who have not been making vacs for that long can do that to improve life for the user, why can't Miele? 
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| Post# 171916 , Reply# 33 3/4/2012 at 20:32 (4,433 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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Twocvbloke How is tht wasteful? There are more benifits to a central vacuum. And venson well thats trueA | ||
| Post# 171917 , Reply# 34 3/4/2012 at 20:36 (4,433 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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I think toe comparison between Sebo and Miele is like comparing Mercedes to BMW, the former (Sebo/Merc.) being quality and reliable, the latter (Miele/BMW) being shouty expensive and unreliable junk... | ||
| Post# 171921 , Reply# 37 3/4/2012 at 20:57 (4,433 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Miele/Sebo and Central Vacuums.
Each to their own twocv - but you may have missed my point entirely. When I commented that my older Miele S571 was heavy, it has also gone beyond the expectation of its longevity. 15 years is a long time and it's on the same level of ownership with my old Sebo X1 Auto upright. Different designs, different brands but the older, heavier Miele cylinders/canisters seem to be better built than the newer ones .
As for central vacs - it is clearly abundant that you have never ever seen one in the UK, or if you have you won't be aware of the many types exist. If you have read my previous posts especially about American products, we had a U.S naval base in our town and American housing with American appliances. I got first hand experience of quite a few different central vac systems and I have also been in a few UK homes and company offices where central vacs are also used. The UK market have been slow to the idea of central vacs, because like under floor heating, once it is plumbed in, it's plumbed in for life and not many like the idea of that, let alone waste disposal units that 1980's fitted kitchens had and then the owners realised how troublesome they were, if a knife was accidentally dropped in! UK company CVC stock several different central vacuums - the highest model offering 1750 watts - compared to an electric hob that has 2400 to 3000 watts, or highly priced portable vacuums that have 2000 watts or more. Central vacuums are not as bad as you make out - because usually in a home that has a central vac fitted, to avoid clogging or "long distance travel" two machines are located on the premises so in effect, you have two bins to empty at the end of the day. Even if Miele are master of most premium vacuums, it is the SEBO floor head that most UK central vacuums use. Central vacs are a great invention. I'd welcome it - IF I wasn't a collector and fan of traditional vacuums - and for that reason and also for the fact that I'd never consider a Robotic vacuum either - I'll keep buying or repairing my traditional "manual" vacuums. | ||
| Post# 171939 , Reply# 42 3/4/2012 at 21:55 (4,433 days old) by danemodsandy () | ||
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David: As a measure of how helpful simplicity is, I would point to the only TriStars I've seen with consistent electrical problems - the two-speed models. Those have trouble much oftener than the classic single-speed TriStars and Compacts. | ||
| Post# 171942 , Reply# 43 3/4/2012 at 22:00 (4,433 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, my parents home was built by a Canadian in the 1960s. The house was built in an area of 40 other homes built by the same guy. We often laugh when we visit the neighbours as the builder obviously had a contract with building companies to furnish every home with the same kitchen cabinets, door handles and fixings.. at the time that the house was built, every house also had an oil tank when oil was relatively cheap to buy. In the 1980's my father was the first person to get gas fitted in the street and I remember quite clearly the trouble that gave us in terms of getting it fitted to the home instead of relying on the more expensive oil. Half the garden had to come up to get the gas pipes in as well as some of the floor boards inside the home.
Proof that not every home in the UK is built in 1800 style terraced houses. If a buyer wants something they'll get it - regardless of the cost involved. | ||
| Post# 171943 , Reply# 44 3/4/2012 at 22:00 (4,433 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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Well, there's a reason the 2-speed was a one-off, and why some were rebuilt as single-speed... :) | ||
| Post# 171948 , Reply# 46 3/4/2012 at 22:09 (4,433 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Sorry but I don't agree - not all homes in the UK are one set design - especially the 1970s ones for the push for Danish, open design planned homes, or those fitted with breeze blocks.
As I reiterate - buyers or owners will buy what they need regardless of cost -from solar panels to electric garage doors, gates, underfloor heating, even double glazing windows on listed buildings where they can only use secondary glazing inside. A lot of owners in terraced houses will still pay out for things like that - including a vented hole for the cheaper vented tumble dryer compared to the condenser types. | ||
| Post# 171968 , Reply# 49 3/4/2012 at 23:50 (4,433 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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So are you Saying that yall are better then us ? | ||
| Post# 171969 , Reply# 50 3/4/2012 at 23:53 (4,433 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York) | ||
I've had three different Miele's over the past 15 years and I never had a problem with any of them. Two of my machines were used, one of which I purchased already professionally refurbished at a vac shop, and a Red Velvet that I purchased brand new. All were great machines, but being a loyal Electrolux user the Miele canisters can be difficult to pull and steer around the house. As for build quality, they are top notch. My only complaint was the paint on my Red Velvet was a matte finish that could scratch easily, but if it has a glossy finish like my Blue Moon it never would have scratched. As much as I love Electrolux/Aerus machines, if I were in the market for a new high end canister I would buy another Miele in a heart beat. The 236 power nozzle on the Red Velvet was also one of the best pn's I've used.
I owned a Blue Moon and Red Velvet at the same time for a few years and the only reason I got rid of them was because I wanted a central vac. The Miele's do filter amazingly well but no matter how well they filter, a Miele or any other portable vac can never get rid of the smell of the dog hair inside the bag. If it weren’t for the smell, I'd probably still have my Miele's. @twocvbloke, I can't comment on how UK homes are constructed, as I have never been to the UK before. But I will tell you that where I live in the US if you really want something and have the money then you will get it no matter how high the cost may be. A high quality central vac unit, attachment kit, and installation in an average size home will probably run close to $2k, possibly more depending on your requirements. This is certainly more than most portable machines and more than the average consumer would spend on a vacuum. It’s a totally different market and clientele, and if someone is willing to do the research and spend the money to purchase a central vac then they will go all the way to get it installed. Check out the video link, I believe I saw it several years ago on the Beam website and it is pretty informative. There are three different parts of the video, however they are incorrect in stating you can only put in electrified valves in new construction. I put them in my house without a problem and its 40+ years old. Regardless of how much I like vacuums, I am OCD and especially so about cleaning, and after having a central vac for the last 6 years I will never live in a home that doesn’t have one, no matter what the cost. They are worth every single last penny! CLICK HERE TO GO TO bimmer740's LINK | ||
| Post# 171970 , Reply# 51 3/4/2012 at 23:57 (4,433 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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"So are you Saying that yall are better then us ?" Very mature comment that, as soon as a discussion doesn't go someone's way, they bring out the superiority comments... | ||
| Post# 171977 , Reply# 55 3/5/2012 at 00:32 (4,433 days old) by danemodsandy () | ||
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Perhaps.... ....Sebo_Fan lives in Poundbury, where things look old, but are built new. | ||
| Post# 171978 , Reply# 56 3/5/2012 at 00:39 (4,433 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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"Perhaps.... ....Sebo_Fan lives in Poundbury, where thin Dunno why, but "Poundland" springs to mind..... :P | ||
| Post# 171986 , Reply# 57 3/5/2012 at 06:19 (4,433 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Oh Im sorry - don't Eng-land seem to have the majority of AGA cookers? Don't they need stone floors - and NEED TO BE PLUMBED IN?? C'mon now don't bother questioning my knowledge of buildings in the UK! I've stayed in England far too many times than I care to remember - no, hang on - oh - I lived in London - so maybe that's not really "proper" England. I lived in London for 15 years and in quite a few different properties including terraced homes - with under "bloody" heated flooring that was never part of the original design.
Do you get what I am saying here to you? Granted your home can't have a central vac - I understand that - the foundations would be too thick to tunnel the necessary work to put one in. Yet, a lot of these homes never originally had the AGA or Rangemaster hobs, yet people seem to be able to put them in now... | ||
| Post# 172005 , Reply# 58 3/5/2012 at 12:13 (4,433 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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well the rainbow i used at my friends house and , they have dogs. and the rainbow gives off a nasty smell. well no vacuums perfect . thats why i love central vacs | ||
| Post# 172011 , Reply# 60 3/5/2012 at 13:20 (4,433 days old) by Trebor () | ||
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subject drift.... as someone with degrees in design, let me add that despite all the tweaks and improvements, houses built in the USA today bear more resemblance to those built here a century ago than they do to houses in Europe and the UK built a century ago. | ||
| Post# 172117 , Reply# 61 3/6/2012 at 02:15 (4,432 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York) | ||
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@twocvbloke
There was absolutely NO implication of the US or our homes being better than the UK and its houses. It's all in YOUR head! I made a very honest statement that I have not been to the UK and I don’t know how your homes are constructed. I do know that its not uncommon for homes in the UK to be much older than homes in the US and made of stone. You should pay close attention to all the other comments that everyone else made in response to your post, that houses in the US are constructed much differently then UK houses. I suggest you don’t read so deeply into someone’s post, and not become so defensive and downright rude when you read and reply something you "think" was being implied or something you disagree with. We have all seen it time and again on this forum how your posts become very nasty, totally uncalled for, and just plain childish! If you can't contribute to a thread in a mature manner like most everyone else on this thread has, then don't contribute at all! No one here needs to be subjected to your overly abrasive attitude. We all don’t agree with each other’s opinions on every subject, but we all try to express our own opinions in a mature manner while taking the other person’s opinion or statement into consideration. This post was last edited 03/06/2012 at 02:32 | ||
| Post# 172118 , Reply# 62 3/6/2012 at 02:47 (4,432 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York) | ||
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"so that $2k cost (usually for things on sale here, you just swap the $ sign for the £ sign!!) would rise significantly, meaning the cost outweighs the benefits..."
BTW, I understand your opinion but certainly if a homeowner wanted a central vac installed and would not settle for anything less, don't you think the benefit to that owner would exceed the cost? The exact opposite of what you think. If a homeowner wants one and has the money for the installation, then the cost is irrelevant and doesn’t out weigh the benefit, just as long as the homeowner gets what they wanted. Once again, not everyone shares the same opinion and what may seem completely logical in your mind, may seem totally illogical to someone else. One isn't right or wrong, just different. | ||
| Post# 172130 , Reply# 64 3/6/2012 at 07:08 (4,432 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
WOW !!!
Getting back to miele, as a vacuum in use they are nice and quiet, I Have a s7cat&dog upright that we bought as a sample when we were thinking of selling them alongside our current brands. My only complaint (as a vacuum ) is that they start to smell a bit after use despite the charcoal filter. Kirbyloverdan mentioned the same thing to me in another post. Now as for when it comes time to service or repair Miele is insane with its parts prices and the quality of the parts is not were it should be, hoses, wands, floortools. we opted out of selling miele vacuums just because of that , I could never look a customer in the eye again if I told here that the hose for her vacuum cost half the price of her vacuum. All vacuums break and need servicing, it doesn't do any good when a repair on a premium vacuum can easily cost more than the vacuum itself | ||
| Post# 172135 , Reply# 65 3/6/2012 at 07:42 (4,432 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Thank you Bimmer!
gsheen - I know exactly what you mean regarding the Miele cost parts. A while back when I was on another forum (where I virtually met Venson) I had mentioned to quite a few U.S buyers the possibility of shipping out Miele accessories and filters. I've done it myself because the cost of the filters in the U.S was far more expensive than U.K prices. Miele may well think that they have the prices set per country - but again the beauty of the internet means as consumers and owners, we can help each other out.
Im not a fan of the S7. I love a lot of the features but I found it to be too big and bulky. My idea of having to manually press a pedal to get the machine to go onto another existing rug on top of carpet was also a problem I couldn't stand. When I didn't use the the pedal, the floor head would just move left or right. If the machine is smelly, it's the hose and the internals that would need cleaning - the Miele filter can only protect the motor and the smells of pet hair from the bag. A lot of owners seem to forget that - with any vacuum infact - when they own pets, the smell of the hair and whatever dogs have rolled themselves in, tends to stick to the hoses because of the oil in the pet hair itself. It's horrendous when the oils congeals after a few years and start to stick to the innards of the awkward dust channel from the roller brush leading through the hose to the vacuum. | ||
| Post# 172139 , Reply# 66 3/6/2012 at 07:58 (4,432 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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@ sebo fan
the machine will start to smell after two uses, even from new. My oldest dyson is a dc04 its been in use in my house since early 2000 but went from been the whole house vacuum to been used in one part as I have multiple dysons now. none of them has ever had the dog smell ever. considering I have more cats and dog's and i am a clean freak | ||
| Post# 172171 , Reply# 68 3/6/2012 at 13:34 (4,432 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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on central vacs and old houses, In SouthAfrica 99% of houses are brick and or concrete homes, very very few wooden ones.
I used to service central vacuums and have seen some pretty unique ways of fitting them like running them through the ceiling and down into a cupboard , I have even seen some run with there piping on the outside of the house hidden away really nicely. Then you have the messy but effective cutting into the wall mounts. One company here has had a wall chaser specially modified so it chases out the exact size grove in the wall for the pipe, generally this is done on older houses were the house is been extensively renovated. | ||
| Post# 172192 , Reply# 69 3/6/2012 at 16:09 (4,431 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Re: The word on Miele canister vacuums..
Williamr1248
A good finding then - obviously when you wet clean and water with detergents that clear oil and other dirt accumulated gives the hoses and pipes a thorough wash - makes sense! Your own post however has sparked a cleaning tip I had completely forgotten about - washing the insides of the hose and suction pipes... By taking the entire hose off and laying it in a bath of non-biological or gentle washing powder diluted in the water. Others use a combination of vinegar and non-abrasive detergents and baking powder. Of course you can't do it with hoses that embedded electric currents in them - there are alternate ways instead - this is where those disposable cleaning wipes come in handy, a long piece of wire or non-blunt bamboo stick and plenty of patience to push wipes up and down the hose all day to get rid of the grease, oil and dirt. If you use wipes, it takes a far shorter time as I then take kitchen towel paper and push sheets down the hose and suction pipes to dry the metal off. Then attach back to the vacuum, after a day or so and use again. Use of disposable cleaning wipes (even Baby wipes) is also better for small cleaning tools and floor heads, though for people who own air driven turbo brushes and the power nozzles may have a trying time of it. If going for the washing out process, I've found generally that some hoses can take up to three days to air dry. A few people I know who wash out their hoses put them in their airing cupboards. The most important factor though is never to use flammable detergents or abrasives as these can often destroy rubber seals or delicate parts within the hoses or suction pipes themselves. | ||
| Post# 172211 , Reply# 71 3/6/2012 at 16:44 (4,431 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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Twocvbloke Then dont respond to my comments. i dont need your advice or whatever . | ||
| Post# 172215 , Reply# 72 3/6/2012 at 16:51 (4,431 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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"i dont need your advice or whatever ." Well whoopdeedoo, stop posting irrelevant comments then, and you won't piss people off... | ||
| Post# 172238 , Reply# 73 3/6/2012 at 22:44 (4,431 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York) | ||
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@twocvbloke
If you take the time to re-read your last two posts you will see how you have actually proven in your very own words just how childish, immature, nasty, and rude your comments really are. You couldn’t have possibly done a better job of self-incrimination. I didn't get my "knickers in such a twist" as you stated, but I will defend my initial post after you commented on how YOU interpreted it. YOUR interpretation is so farfetched and absurd that I had to set the record straight about what I wrote. I was a member of the VacWeb before this site was created and I've been a member of VacuumLand for 6 years, far longer than you have. In all of those years I have never been involved in some type of bickering match on a thread with another member of this forum, and I'm certainly not going to start now. However, I cannot say the same is true for you as you frequently get caught up in or start silly arguments over a difference of opinion. No one asked you to correct someone’s opinion, nor do you posses the greatest wealth of knowledge about vacuum cleaners. We are all here because we have a strong interest in vacuums and have something to share about them, and none of us know all that there is to know about vacuum. I have far more important things to worry about in life than to "get my knickers in a twist" or become so enraged over someone’s post, as you so often do, that I would ever feel the need to repeatedly knock or totally insult another member’s thoughts. I have absolutely nothing more to say about this nor will I be someone who will entertain your frequent bickering. I’d like to deeply apologize to the person who started this thread, sorry that it became derailed. | ||
| Post# 172242 , Reply# 74 3/6/2012 at 22:54 (4,431 days old) by billybud21 () | ||
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Thanks everybody!!! Hi Everybody, I sound like Dr. Nick. Anyway, I wanted to thank everyone of you for your great responses. The information was wonderful and very informative! Johnathan | ||
| Post# 172258 , Reply# 77 3/7/2012 at 00:47 (4,431 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York) | ||
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Jonathan, I've had bimmer740 as my email address and user name for about 15 years. I owned a BMW for about 5 years, but for the last 6 years I've been the proud owner of a Mercedes ML500, and I won't ever buy anything but a Mercedes. BMW does make nice cars, but I had a bad personal experience and won't buy another one. You should check out the Off-Topic section, we have had some very interesting threads about cars, especially about Mercedes and BMW which you may enjoy reading. Please don't take this as being sarcastic, I really do mean it sincerely. There are quite a few die-hard Mercedes fans on this site, as well as many others who have a passion for all different types of cars. We really are a diverse group here on VacuumLand :)
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| Post# 172259 , Reply# 78 3/7/2012 at 00:57 (4,431 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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