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| Post# 170901 2/25/2012 at 11:53 (4,437 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California) | ||
Love commercial vacs although my Windsor feels on heavy side. The Hoover Conquest looks sweet in the pics i see but i have yet to come across one in my travels. I started this vac hobby interested in a vast array of brands other than Hoover but since rebuilding & now using an Avo Green Concept (Craigslist find) i'm begining to respect what they're about.
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| Post# 170933 , Reply# 3 2/25/2012 at 19:20 (4,436 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Um.. sorry to disappoint you guys, but the Insight is based on a SEBO upright. SEBO have done this with other companies too - Oreck use SEBO commercial BS36 based uprights for their own commercial models. Even the brush roll and back carry handle are from SEBO on the Insight.
Yes the machine does fall over in use, but then again so did my Hoover Turbopower 2 and 3 models despite the hook thing at the bottom. Put it up against a wall and neither Hoover or Sebo will fall over - a reason to why both Hoover and Sebo place their models against a wall or the bottom step. | ||
| Post# 170935 , Reply# 4 2/25/2012 at 19:33 (4,436 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Windsor heavy - so is the Insight. | ||
| Post# 171077 , Reply# 5 2/27/2012 at 07:27 (4,435 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Shock of Horrors! | ||
| Post# 171091 , Reply# 6 2/27/2012 at 09:39 (4,435 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 171094 , Reply# 7 2/27/2012 at 09:54 (4,435 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 171099 , Reply# 8 2/27/2012 at 11:05 (4,435 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California) | ||
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Hoover 'Double Duty' model C1834
This looks like a wider path version of my Windsor VS 14...
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| Post# 171114 , Reply# 11 2/27/2012 at 13:57 (4,435 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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I am pretty sure that the sebo 360 was a big inspiration for the ivac 350 however they improved on the sebo design quite a lot. the brush roll was bearing mounted and not bush mounted like on the sebo, the connection of foot piece to upper body was via a thick metal base so it never developed the wobble that sebo's suffer from in age. I have been out of the commercial market for a few years now here in SA but at the time the ivac was a third of the price of a sebo and they lasted twice as long
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| Post# 171133 , Reply# 12 2/27/2012 at 17:15 (4,435 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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IVAC...
Thanks for the links, gsheen. The Ivac SM300 looks suspiciously like Karcher's current upright vac, the CV-30.
Sebo do have a website in the Netherlands though, as well as SA. www.sebo.nl... www.sebo.co.za 
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| Post# 171141 , Reply# 13 2/27/2012 at 18:08 (4,434 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California) | ||
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new Hoover Convertible in retro chrome
Also love the White Oreck Compactos (C 06/09) in Venson's link.
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| Post# 171144 , Reply# 14 2/27/2012 at 18:39 (4,434 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Its not a hoover convertible... | ||
| Post# 171197 , Reply# 15 2/28/2012 at 06:33 (4,434 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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IVAC.... | ||
| Post# 171258 , Reply# 16 2/28/2012 at 14:36 (4,434 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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the Ivac has a similar base to the sebo but as mentioned but used a much more beefed up system. the brush ends are proper bearings not the bushes used in sebo's the motor also lasts longer than the sebo versions and has less bearing trouble too. but the best part is they cost about a 3rd of the price of a sebo.
I am very aware of sebo SA but they are a not run very well, you won't find them in higher end retail shops and are mainly sold to hotels. I have to admit I think they are very poor quality now days. and there spares are horrific. I have a old brown 360 that will run circles around the newer machines its not as powerful but judging by the amount of sebo's standing in my workshop at the moment mostly x123,4 g1&2 and 370's its a proper sebo | ||
| Post# 171299 , Reply# 17 2/28/2012 at 18:08 (4,433 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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That surprises me, TBH. Our first Sebo lasted 13 to 15 years and only required a drive belt replacement. I've owned my X1.1 for 5 to 7 years now, and it's never let me down. Nothing has broken off it and nothing has had to be replaced other than the usual like the filters and bags. I haven't noticed much of a difference with the parts once the plastic hood is removed - it hasn't actually received much of an update other than raised motor power and a stepped gearbox so that it accepts the turbo brush and doesn't shut off - UNLIKE the old X1. Also the metal plate on the bottom has been replaced with a plastic plate.
When I've repaired them - it tends to be clogged dust and the odd drive belt replaced on the BS36 series. Unsurprisingly although cleaners tend to use them for hours on end, they never seem to be able to spend enough time unclogging them. A lot of owners do spend time on the net shopping for other countries and companies who are prepared to send out the parts worldwide - the joy of the internet! | ||
| Post# 171319 , Reply# 18 2/28/2012 at 23:55 (4,433 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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I mainly see them from a commercial side, and that was were i was speaking from. In a house yes they last much longer but then an Ivac will last even longer.
The main difference is the motors , On the x series they went from a very long lasting but not so powerful ametek lamb motor to a much more powerful but not as reliable dommel motor. same with the 360 -370 they replaced the brilliant arg motor with a dommel motor it does't last as long but hey that's how you sell vacuums. I suppose they decided that a commercial machine lasting 15 years in a hotel was a bad thing. from the hotels I deal with the new sebo's tend to last 1 -2 years before needing replacement were the old brown 360's would last 10 or more ( with servicing and some repairs) the new ones are knackered after a year or so | ||
| Post# 171330 , Reply# 19 2/29/2012 at 05:36 (4,433 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 171343 , Reply# 20 2/29/2012 at 09:14 (4,433 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 171347 , Reply# 21 2/29/2012 at 09:36 (4,433 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Ah.. oh well..
Nothing is perfect though = even old Henry vacuums that have been used continually in the commercial field break down. We have a couple of those at the company I work for from time to time. The suffer mostly from the rubberised hoses that break because sharp objects pierce them and some of the old Henry's have burnt out motors, but they're of the metal canister type, way way back from the 1970s. | ||
| Post# 171356 , Reply# 22 2/29/2012 at 10:24 (4,433 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 171391 , Reply# 23 2/29/2012 at 18:51 (4,432 days old) by Trebor () | ||
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Saw the Insight @ VDTA No lawsuit, folks. Patents have a lifespan. Hoover waited this time. (I guess losing to Airway, and then Dyson was enough) And Karcher and Windsor are part of the same conglomerate. | ||
| Post# 171541 , Reply# 24 3/1/2012 at 18:31 (4,431 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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And Karcher and Windsor are part of the same conglomerate | ||
| Post# 171545 , Reply# 25 3/1/2012 at 19:06 (4,431 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California) | ||
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Trebor, what is your take on the Insight?
After seeing it in person? I see the Hoover type SB allergen bags check in at $3 per bag in a 10 pack. & the 13" unit itself is, (currently at one shop anyway) up there in price as well...see link.
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| Post# 171610 , Reply# 26 3/2/2012 at 05:14 (4,431 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 171617 , Reply# 27 3/2/2012 at 07:12 (4,431 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 171630 , Reply# 28 3/2/2012 at 10:58 (4,431 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California) | ||
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best deal for a new sebo/ windsor clone
& it's a Hoover too! see link, shipping is reasonable, & this is for the wide area model.
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| Post# 171658 , Reply# 29 3/2/2012 at 16:20 (4,431 days old) by Trebor () | ||
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The Insight has... The WINDTUNNEL nozzle design, and a quick-change power cord. Nice machine, in my opinion, but I love Lindhaus! | ||
| Post# 171830 , Reply# 30 3/4/2012 at 07:18 (4,429 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 171897 , Reply# 31 3/4/2012 at 18:57 (4,428 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California) | ||
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New Hoover Insight Windtunnel based
i believe is what Trebor was refering to @Sebo_Fan not the Dubl-Duty deal i posted in this thread (as an example of Hoovers earlier effort in this market segment)...& the Dubl-Duty is a great price too. i might make a bit of a low ball offer myself soon on that Ebay Hoover Dubl-Duty deal actually if i can clear out a vac or two on Ebay to possibly justify the expenditure.
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| Post# 173317 , Reply# 32 3/15/2012 at 09:41 (4,418 days old) by Trebor () | ||
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I have not tested one except at VDTA... The owner tested one when the rep brought one in, and said he was not impressed, so I would have to see one myself to make a judgement. | ||
| Post# 173325 , Reply# 33 3/15/2012 at 12:17 (4,418 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 173336 , Reply# 34 3/15/2012 at 13:53 (4,418 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
Not quite but close
I have a lindhaus Healthcare pro which is somewhat similar but the RX pro models are just like the carpettwins I did see a RX 380 today at a vac shop in the used area though. www.lnt.com/show_product/507893-8...
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