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Thread Number: 15740
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| Post# 167642 1/29/2012 at 10:54 (4,470 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 167668 , Reply# 5 1/29/2012 at 17:50 (4,469 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Hopeless OR pointless as in something that is claimed to work but either doesn't or something that is supposed to work but doesn't. One huge example I can think of is when Hoover first brought out their Vortex upright bagless vacuums, based on the Purepower uprights. There were tons of these models ranging from the Hurricane to Cyclean. Anyway, Hoover UK thought it would be a good idea to bring out plastic bags - I remember them well - a plastic bag to line the canister bins so there would be no mess at all come the time to empty.
But most people I know just ended up using sandwich food bags...or nothing at all. | ||
| Post# 167721 , Reply# 8 1/30/2012 at 06:40 (4,469 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
The only hopeless tool I have, is with my '08 JMB SC1056 Bagged cylinder.
It has a crevice tool, which in itself is great, as I LOVE the rubber bit on the end which stops any scratching to skirting boards, BUT, instead of also having a floor tool, all it has is a brush thing that slots into the end of the crevice tool. It falls off all the time, and even if it stayed on, what use would it be!? Because it is so small I would be forever in a day getting anything cleaned with it opposed to the larger standard floor tools most Vacuum Cleaners come with. Ugh, hate it. Apart from that, all my other tools work fine... | ||
| Post# 167807 , Reply# 10 1/30/2012 at 22:06 (4,468 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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JM - the beauty of most cheap vacuums these days is that they measure 3.2cm/32mm at the end, so you could use any tool even from your Hoover Turbopower collection. I used a lot of my old Hoover tools when I had my Numatic James as the Numatic tools as good as they were, came across as too bulky - especially the round, long bristle type dusting brush. Much prefer the square one that came with the Turbopower 2/3 that was also part of existing kits for the Arrianne, Telios and Alpina cylinder ranges.
Miele tools can be quite expensive too. I was quite surprised that at times it was cheaper to source from Miele than Comet who at one time sold a whole long line of different accessories like the STB 205 turbo brush that comes with the S5 Cat and Dog model. I think Comet realised that some savvy buyers were buying the base S5210/S5211/S5 model and then upgrading in their own time instead of shelling out more money at the time for specific models with these kinds of tools as standard. Another "tool" of total wasted money is the "Vac Saver," a kind of two way plastic bagless cyclonic dust bin that fits over one suction tube at the top and another at the bottom as a go between if you want to change your canister vac to a bagless vacuum. Good idea in theory but the plastic top and bottom was never long enough to suitably grip the suction tubes in (plus you'd need a vacuum with separate pipes). | ||
| Post# 169314 , Reply# 11 2/12/2012 at 09:16 (4,456 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 169395 , Reply# 13 2/13/2012 at 01:54 (4,455 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
I am not a huge fan of the Kenmore floor brush that comes with their canisters. Sure, the design with the brushes in the centre is effective & cleans floors well, BUT the angle that the nozzle neck is at means that for a tall guy like me, I have to stoop down a bit while pushing it across the floor! It's annoying enough that I don't even use it anymore, I just use a generic floor brush with my Kenmore's.
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| Post# 270500 , Reply# 15 3/6/2014 at 16:04 (3,702 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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Turbo powered brushes; once suction/airflow has greatly diminished. An electric PN cleans far better & more efficient than a turbo brush ever could
Even a Lux SideKick will outperform a Hoover WindTunnel brush like this one 
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| Post# 270501 , Reply# 16 3/6/2014 at 16:17 (3,702 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Hoovers 3in1 Tool. Useless because the air is being forced through the narrow tool & it makes a load so noise. Plus mine cracked a lint picker off & made it even more useless. 
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| Post# 270509 , Reply# 18 3/6/2014 at 17:58 (3,702 days old) by ctvacman (CT) | ||
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Combo tools from dyson, the worst tool I have ever used is the 3 in1 from Bosch on the electro premium prestige I bought. Small and useles | ||
| Post# 270512 , Reply# 20 3/6/2014 at 18:51 (3,702 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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Decent cleaning tools: 
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| Post# 270513 , Reply# 21 3/6/2014 at 18:59 (3,702 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA) | ||
The new 3 in 1 tools mentioned in some of the posts above seem to me to be almost useless. They seem to be coming on so many vacuums now. Even some full size canisters, like the new Hoover Quietforce has them.
Also the newer Kenmore Progressive canister attachments can be a bit hard to use. The crevice tool has vents in the side that seem to divert almost all airflow from the narrow end. I don't understand why there are vents there. The dusting brush is slightly bulky, and can't be swiveled to fit in tight spaces. But it is better than the combo tools, large enough to do the job and has decent horsehair bristles. The upholstery tool seems to be mainly for pet hair, but does an okay job. The floor brush is actually better than the older ones, the neck swivels up and down, and the nozzle has a felt pad to prevent dragging as mentioned in a post above. And it has horsehair bristles. The lower end lime and orange canisters have a better crevice tool, but the dusting/upholstery tool is the one from the uprights. It's small and has very stiff nylon bristles. The floor brush is the older one mentioned above that dates back to the 1980s and also has very stiff bristles. At least the hose is universal fit for better attachments. The Intuition canister also has a better crevice tool and there is a decent horsehair dusting/upholstery tool from older Progressives, and a horsehair angle brush. | ||
| Post# 270559 , Reply# 22 3/7/2014 at 06:52 (3,702 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Panasonic used to have a gaping hole at the start of their long crevice tools equipped with their bagless vacuums - I think it was just to offer a true vent to minimise the pull of suction through the narrower tapered end.
I do agree though - the 3 in 1 tool as seen by Dyson and then copied by Vax/TTI on the Windtunnel Air is next to useless, it smacks of cheapness and often the same "pull down brush" types on those stubby crevice tools you'd get with many a cheap Chinese built vacuum. Even the Hoover Studio/Hoover Compact canister in the U.S has one of those! They're next to pointless, really. I used to have a set of Dyson tools that I used with Henry. Far more effective and quite happy for them to get damaged than other 32mm sets I have. The dust brush was also great with the Argos Value bagged upright and could be slid onto the top of the crevice tool when stored at the back of the vacuum. | ||
| Post# 270580 , Reply# 23 3/7/2014 at 14:15 (3,702 days old) by citroenbx (england) | ||
1993 to 1998 | ||
| Post# 270614 , Reply# 25 3/7/2014 at 19:23 (3,701 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 270625 , Reply# 26 3/7/2014 at 20:22 (3,701 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 270628 , Reply# 27 3/7/2014 at 20:27 (3,701 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Post# 270640 , Reply# 28 3/7/2014 at 22:48 (3,701 days old) by KirbyClassicIII  (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Hopeless finds? Kirby made several of these...
1. 13" nozzle (and brush roll) for models Heritage (84) (1HD), Heritage II (Legend) and Legend II (both 2HD). 2. Handi-Butler (1st-gen) - sold during sales of the 509 through the Heritage I (1HD); dropped in March 1983. Changes were made to this model in 1958 (Mk. II), 1962 (Mk. III), 1965 (Mk. IV) and 1976 ("Mk. V"). Handi-Sharpener and flexible shaft first introduced for this device in 1953 (model 513 sales), and drill chuck were introduced with the 1962 "Mk. III" update (model 562 sales). Swedish massage attachment added during Classic (1CR) sales and continued into Classic Omega (1CB) sales, but it along with the Handi-Sharpener/accessories and wire wheel were dropped after 1976 when the Omega was replaced by the Classic III (2CB). For the "Mk. V" version (plastic front cover) sold during Classic III, Tradition (3CB) and Heritage I sales, a jig saw accessory was added, but it was subsequently discontinued one year into Tradition sales. 3. Handi-Waxer - sold as an option during sales of the 561 through the Classic; sat out during the Omega years, but would return after the Omega was replaced by the Classic III; discontinued again after spring 1983, during Heritage I sales. 4. Roll-O-Waxer - essentially the predecessor to the 1st-gen Miracle Waxer, optional for the Dual Sanitronic 50 and 80. 5. Miracle Waxer (old style) - sold as optional for the Classic and Classic Omega; dropped after the Omega was superseded by the Classic III. Unlike its predecessor, the Miracle Waxer wax comes packaged in 12 oz. and 32 oz. bottles instead of a tube. 6. Turbo Brush - sold during sales of the Heritage I and during the first sales season of the Heritage II. A similar product is/was available that is called the "Rug Rat." 7. Turbo Groom - sold during Heritage I sales. This includes a hair clipper unit and accessories. 8. Care Kit - also sold during Heritage I sales. ~Ben | ||
| Post# 270655 , Reply# 29 3/8/2014 at 03:33 (3,701 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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43 What cleaner is a 43? | ||
| Post# 270659 , Reply# 30 3/8/2014 at 04:56 (3,701 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 270666 , Reply# 31 3/8/2014 at 06:25 (3,701 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 270667 , Reply# 32 3/8/2014 at 06:55 (3,701 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
I had an AEG/Electrolux nimble about 3 years ago and their vacuums now come with this stupid "versatool", a crevice tool and upholstery tool in one, which was hopeless. There was no tight seal meaning it was useless as a crevice tool, and a ridiculously small suction port so it didn't work as an upholstery tool either. And it was bulky, always falling off the cleaner.
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| Post# 270678 , Reply# 33 3/8/2014 at 09:37 (3,701 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 270711 , Reply# 34 3/8/2014 at 11:51 (3,701 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA) | ||
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That hole in the crevice tool must have been on European models perhaps? I know the Kenmore versions here didn't have it. We always had that really long crevice tool that could also be used as an extra wand for the dusting brush. They really could use that hole because the suction would make the hose spring back when the crevice tool was put on.
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| Post# 270753 , Reply# 35 3/8/2014 at 17:08 (3,700 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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Stupid short crevice tools that have the flip down 'dusting brush' on the end | ||
| Post# 270789 , Reply# 37 3/8/2014 at 20:47 (3,700 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Another hopeless tool that springs to mind is one I bought well over 10 years ago and came in three parts with a cyclonic "filter" inside that clipped to the top and bottom "in between" two suction tubes. It claimed to be a "Bagless dust cup" that saved you from buying bags.
It worked - kind of - but would often fall apart from the two tubes. I think a newer one is available under different brands like Nilfisk and other generic universal brands. It might have improved, but I never once found it to be "bag saving" despite its good invention design. 
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| Post# 270818 , Reply# 38 3/9/2014 at 05:56 (3,700 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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I'm sure that is under the Hometek name somewhere. | ||
| Post# 270906 , Reply# 40 3/9/2014 at 17:35 (3,699 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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This is what I mean... 
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| Post# 270907 , Reply# 41 3/9/2014 at 17:36 (3,699 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom) | ||
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Useless hopeless pile of crap! No idea what machine it cane from. Possibly many... 
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| Post# 270909 , Reply# 42 3/9/2014 at 17:38 (3,699 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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3 guesses at where that was made eh Beko? China, China, or China? | ||
| Post# 270940 , Reply# 43 3/9/2014 at 19:30 (3,699 days old) by anthony (leeds uk) | ||
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| Post# 270947 , Reply# 45 3/9/2014 at 19:53 (3,699 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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Kirby massager That's exactly what I said - having experienced how noisy these things are, they would have given the user a headache, let alone a comfortable massage! They were better to be use as a sanding tool with a sanding pad attached. | ||
| Post# 271061 , Reply# 47 3/10/2014 at 14:29 (3,699 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, its like that with everything though isn't it? I mean, there I was quite happy with my parents old LG washer until it required a couple of parts that weren't justified to repair and I'd be better off with a new LG washer. I stuck with LG because i've been happy with their performance.
However for those who can afford it, Miele make really expensive washing machines. Yes, they're well made and yes they're well thought out with some really unique features - but that's my choice to stay with LG "middle premium," compared to expensively over priced machines that do the same thing as the LG, yet uses an old drive belt to turn the drum. Pressure sales in a public franchise are nothing to worry about - you can walk away - whereas a Vorwerk home demo or Kirby pressurises you to sign on the dotted line - they are not the same. | ||
| Post# 273386 , Reply# 50 3/25/2014 at 05:57 (3,684 days old) by godfreys_guy (Melbourne, Australia) | ||
Wertheim Dust Accelerator 
"That " bag saver" was featured on the last line of Wertheim bagged cylinder models, although I cant see how it would have saved bags, seeing as it would let through the fine dust that clogs the bag's pores, and stop the larger particles, so the bag would still clog and need replacing even though it wasn't full."
Yes it also gave an electric shock to many people, myself included. It was my store manager at the time that ordered the recall. In Fact, it had been recalled once before, and once after the linked recall! Let's face it, there are lots of hopeless accessories but this takes the cake for also being very dangerous. CLICK HERE TO GO TO godfreys_guy's LINK 
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| Post# 326415 , Reply# 51 6/4/2015 at 13:14 (3,248 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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That "bag saver" was included with the Eureka Europa canisters here in the USA | ||
| Post# 328376 , Reply# 53 6/30/2015 at 12:04 (3,222 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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That reminds me of the Hoover J57 "Grande" turbo nozzle that Hoover UK sent me to use instead of the awful floor tools with my 32mm fitting Idol bagged stick vacuum. It has to be the worst turbo nozzle I have ever used. I tried it on my TeliosPlus with a 35mm adaptor and the thing just refuses to move. Tried it on my 32mm fitting Zanussi bagged cylinder vacuum with 1800 watts and it still refuses to whizz up. It's a Hoover branded turbo brush but there's nothing "grand" about it IMHO.
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| Post# 328382 , Reply# 54 6/30/2015 at 13:27 (3,222 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 328387 , Reply# 55 6/30/2015 at 15:06 (3,222 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 328396 , Reply# 56 6/30/2015 at 16:35 (3,221 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
Any turbo nozzle
I have never encountered any turbo nozzle of any brand that works worth a toot. As soon as you bring it in contact with the carpet, it stops spinning. Now, I will admit I haven't tried every turbo nozzle out there but the universal disappointment I have experienced with the ones I have tried leads me to believe firmly that if a nozzle has a rotating brush and it doesn't have a motor driving it, it's a useless hunk of plastic. I will accept the possibility--however remote it may be--that there is a turbo nozzle out there somewhere that actually works as advertised, but I've decided to stop trying to look for it.
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| Post# 328403 , Reply# 57 6/30/2015 at 17:54 (3,221 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, the Wessel Werk ones made by Miele and SEBO both appear to work to a high speed for me but both have air valve outlets that compensate for the "driving down" into carpet that reduces the spin. Hoover Europe have started doing "their own" in the form of Chinese copied "H-Lab" branded tools and in some cases, it shows up badly when it comes to performing. The one I bought as shown in the previous post has a slider but it actually stops the nozzle from spinning for cleaning hard floors. It doesn't do a good job at all, and even when slid to activate for spinning brushes, there's hardly any spin.
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| Post# 329638 , Reply# 59 7/19/2015 at 09:28 (3,203 days old) by moderneezer (Gatineau, Quebec, Canada) | ||
I got several crappy and useless attachments I plan to toss in fire. The dusting brush I got with my Dirt Devil canister doesn't fit into the hose. I also have the same kind of crevice tool as the one Beko1987 was talking about.
I went to the Vac Shack store in Ottawa to get a new dusting brush and a new crevice tool and there, the shop-owner gave me the replacement tools for Kenmore canisters free of charge. They're a bit damaged although they're compatible with the Dirt Devil hose. Unfortunately, I had issues with these tools. When I attached the brush to the hose and turned on the canister, the wall that separated the bristles from the hole was being sucked inwards. I removed this wall with a knife, and then the bristles were being sucked inwards. The crevice tool is better than the first one but has a fissure at the connection site which is more visible when connected to the hose. I visited the Chapman boutique to get better replacement tools and bought three tools. A new dusting brush, a new crevice tool and a super long and flexible crevice tool. The first two accessories are even better that the ones they're supposed to replace but the longer crevice tool's not as good as I expected. | ||
| Post# 329650 , Reply# 60 7/19/2015 at 14:08 (3,203 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 330748 , Reply# 61 8/1/2015 at 20:15 (3,189 days old) by moderneezer (Gatineau, Quebec, Canada) | ||
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Now the long and flexible crevice tool
At one point when I tested the long and flexible crevice tool (LFCT), there was a clog. I took of the tip and in the pictures, you get to understand why I consider the tool ineffective. On end is large while the other is narrow. Unlike the other useless and crappy accessories, which I destroyed, the LFCT is intact and I'm considering returning it to the store and get a refund.
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| Post# 330804 , Reply# 62 8/2/2015 at 16:37 (3,188 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 334431 , Reply# 63 9/22/2015 at 07:30 (3,138 days old) by moderneezer (Gatineau, Quebec, Canada) | ||
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Now, the crappy attachments I have have faced a consequence for being crap. Here, I'll show you all.
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| Post# 334442 , Reply# 64 9/22/2015 at 11:17 (3,138 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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Post# 334452 , Reply# 65 9/22/2015 at 14:11 (3,138 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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It's a shame to see that those tools were  | ||
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Post# 334491 , Reply# 66 9/23/2015 at 02:53 (3,137 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Burn&Shred-what tools were they??? | ||
| Post# 334546 , Reply# 67 9/24/2015 at 07:14 (3,136 days old) by jodan3399 (Brownsville, PA) | ||
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Another vote here for those power brush attachments. Ugh. My favorite had to be that nylon feather duster type thing that came equipped on a certain model orange Eureka. Seriously how was that a good idea? LOL | ||
| Post# 334547 , Reply# 68 9/24/2015 at 07:30 (3,136 days old) by moderneezer (Gatineau, Quebec, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 335067 , Reply# 71 10/2/2015 at 11:56 (3,128 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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Electrolux short crevice tool that came since the plastic 2100 canisters introduced in the USA; which is included with the Lux Classic. I prefer the long full sized crevice tool that has been around for yrs; but are they still available from Aerus? Rainbow AeroFresh bag | ||
| Post# 337132 , Reply# 72 11/9/2015 at 07:21 (3,090 days old) by moderneezer (Gatineau, Quebec, Canada) | ||
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I have another crappy attachment, which is a floor brush. It didn't came with the Dirt Devil set (which I learned from a Dirt Devil website) but while my grandmother still had the vacuum, she most likely just bought the floor brush or someone gave it to her.
You could see that the brush strip can be placed in the front or at the back. I don't know what the rubber strip is for. Configurations aside, this floor tool cleans the floor just poorly. After I got a new and better floor brush from the Chapman boutique, I punished the old one and in the two last pictures, you can see the consequence the nozzle faced for being crap. | ||
| Post# 337136 , Reply# 73 11/9/2015 at 11:43 (3,090 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 337145 , Reply# 74 11/9/2015 at 15:12 (3,089 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Maybe he got it used and the seller decided to chuck in a vacuum tool they found Around the house? That happened to me in the past. | ||
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