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Post# 167542   1/28/2012 at 10:41 (4,461 days old) by joshdonnell ()        

Hello guy and gals . I was just wonder whats yalls opinion was . Which one would be worth buying ? Which one has more air flow? that makes it more powerful. And how much better does one of them clean better then other such as carpets and other things? Which one will keep my home cleaner ? Is it worth the one .or would be better off with some thing that all metal like Air Tech , or Metro vac? And how does one compare to the other . Like pros, and cons

Post# 167543 , Reply# 1   1/28/2012 at 10:52 (4,461 days old) by Jayelux (Dallas, TX)        
imPerfect

 Had a disappointing experience with the Perfect power team. The strong suction and stiff-bristled power nozzle were nice, but the inferior quality was evident all over. Parts that were never an issue with the Electrolux failed on the Perfect system in very little time. The swivel caster and the hose showed problems within a month.
It was good at cleaning, but I was glad to part with it. In the end, a bit less power and higher quality would have had my house cleaner because I would have used it more.
Jay

Post# 167547 , Reply# 2   1/28/2012 at 11:54 (4,461 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Josh:

 If you want the very best in Electrolux-style vacuum cleaners, you would do well to get -

A vintage Electrolux!

The later models of Lux metal-bodied machines are very well-built and and it's still easy to find good ones that don't need too much. Beginning with 1983's Diamond Jubilee, and going through the last Ultralux/Grand Marquise machines, Luxes developed incredible suction.

You might have to replace a hose or a couple of missing tools, but there is not that much to go wrong with Luxes of this period, with one exception. That exception is the PN-5 power nozzle, which has a plastic base plate that can break its screw mounts if the PN is jammed. The base plate - unavailable for a time - is now available again, and can be found on that $#!@* auction site.

You would not regret giving a Grand Marquise a home, trust me.

Post# 167554 , Reply# 3   1/28/2012 at 12:30 (4,461 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Gotta agree

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Those metal bodied tanks are really resilient in addition to the superior quality you will get a better price than buying new

Post# 167557 , Reply# 4   1/28/2012 at 14:00 (4,461 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Hepa filter

 Can i fit a hepa filter on the old ones like a silverdo? I know u spelled that wrong and can u use perfect power team bags in it

Post# 167563 , Reply# 5   1/28/2012 at 15:36 (4,461 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Josh:

 There are high-filtration bags available for the Perfect that also fit any Lux using the classic "C" bag, which is all of the ones you'd be considering.

About HEPA: The major reason for wanting true HEPA filtration is to combat a dust mite allergy. While most bags can filter out dust mites themselves, what actually causes the allergic reaction is a specific protein in the droppings of dust mites, not the mites themselves. You definitely need HEPA for that. But if you are not allergic, frequent vacuuming and laundering will keep dust mites - and those pesky droppings - under control.

HEPA has been heavily hyped as a need for those who want the "cleanest clean." It really is not necessary for most people, just as there is no need for the average person with an immune system in good repair to spray everything down with antibacterials. Good old ordinary clean is not only enough for the vast majority of people - it's more than most people have time to achieve nowadays. If you doubt me, take a look at the HEPA vacuums of most people who have them. They're the dirtiest damn thing in the house.

Post# 167567 , Reply# 6   1/28/2012 at 16:20 (4,461 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
well

 Not all hepa filtering vacuums are filty. i think even even if you dont have allergys its a good thing to have. but each to there own.

Post# 167580 , Reply# 7   1/28/2012 at 17:19 (4,461 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Josh:

 I did not mean to say that HEPA vacuums are inherently dirty - just that most people who fell for the hype and got one don't have the time or inclination to keep them maintained properly. Also, the HEPA filter in a HEPA vac is an expensive maintenance part, and it's amazing how many people will buy a spendy gizmo and then get all stingy when it comes time to buy the stuff needed to keep it up.

My own Lux Diamond Jubilee was from a thrift store, marked at only $2.02 because it "wouldn't pick up." The reason? The bag - a regular-filtration "C" bag costing all of maybe fifty cents - was clogged until it was hard as concrete, and the hose clogged solid all the way up to the handle. A bag change and some hose cleaning later, all was well - and has been ever since. If there are people out there who will abuse a non-HEPA vac like that over a fifty-cent bag, imagine how long they would let a $75 HEPA filter go without replacement.

Post# 167581 , Reply# 8   1/28/2012 at 17:30 (4,461 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
well

 i keep up with my miele very well. i know most people wouldnt

Post# 167929 , Reply# 9   2/1/2012 at 08:18 (4,458 days old) by Trebor ()        
HEPA is...

 A Heep'o nonsense for the most part. It is a STANDARD of filtration, not a material. A human hair is 100 to 200 microns across. Pollen and mold start at 2.5 microns. The actual filter itself can be (and is)tested at a rate of airflow different from the unit it will be used in actually produces, rendering the statistic worse than useless because it it misleading.

If a vacuum cleaner moves 80 cubit feet of air/min and is used for 30 min, it has processed 2400 cubic feet of air, the amount of air in a room 20 x 15 x 8. How quickly is that much air displaced with outside air every single time a window or door is opened? The clean air filter offered with Miele and Lindhaus are more than adequate for most people. And if you really do require a HEPA standard of filtration 99.97% @ .3 microns), what are you doing with carpet, rugs, and soft furnishings in your environment anyway?

Post# 168031 , Reply# 10   2/2/2012 at 02:05 (4,457 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Dumb question:

But if the bag itself is a hepa bag, do you then NOT actually have a hepa filter?

Post# 168033 , Reply# 11   2/2/2012 at 02:12 (4,457 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Danemodsandy-

Wow- the bag was pack so full it was like concrete? And then went into the hose and started collecting there? Jeeez! I didn't realize it would be capable of continuing to pick up dirt with a bag clogged like that enough to where it actually started collecting dirt in the hose itself. Can u imagine how HOT that machine much have gotten while running in that condition with a complete MORON behind it!?

Post# 168040 , Reply# 12   2/2/2012 at 06:26 (4,457 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Mark:

 Yep, that's what evidently happened. The bag was hard as a rock, and the hose was clogged all the way to the handle. The stuff in it was a mix of dust, sandy soil and dog hair, and it smelled like a pack of wild wolves.

Cleaning it all out took most of a day, and deodorizing took about a week. Even after deodorizing, it still took a while for all the smell to air out of it.

What is absolutely amazing is that the motor seems not to have suffered any lasting damage. The Diamond Jubilee motor is a sleeve-bearing design, and not normally as long-lived as older Lux motor designs. This vac really wanted to live!

Post# 168065 , Reply# 13   2/2/2012 at 12:22 (4,456 days old) by Trebor ()        
Mark...

 to know if the bag was a true HEPA filter you would have to have a particle counter and test it IN THE MACHINE. The bag may be made of material that is used in the manufacture of so-called HEPA bags, but once again, HEPA is a standard, not a material.

Post# 168075 , Reply# 14   2/2/2012 at 15:26 (4,456 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Hey Trebor
Gotcha. Didn't realize that. I must have missed your post up top before I posted that last post.


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