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Thread Number: 14793
Miele bag leakage ?? |
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| Post# 156850 10/25/2011 at 10:54 (4,559 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
 So I.ve really been enjoying using my s7000 cat&dog that I bought new on thursday last week. Today I opened the bag compartment to see how full the bag was and was greated with this.
I am a bit shocked as I was not expecting this amount ofdust to be on the outside of the bag after only using the machine for 5 days.
The bag isn' even a quart full yet. We have had some building work done again so I was expecting some fine dust but not this much.
I have never been a fan of these fabric bags as I have found that from the Kirby ones to the Hoover ones they always have dust on the outside compared to the multilayer paper ones. 
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| Post# 156854 , Reply# 2 10/25/2011 at 11:41 (4,559 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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We have been re-evaluating the machine for sale in our shop. at the moment we sell dysons ( select models of my choice) AEG/Electrolux, Vorwerk and bissel carpet machines. I am really fussy about what we sell as most of my customers do not know my Businessname but they do Know me. Its always speek to Gareth so its my name on the line.
I am cleaning it out in my workshop and putting in a new bag , I am hoping it was a faulty bag. Its a bloody expensive machine and ever one goes on about getting your hands dirty handling a dyson , what will happen when you have to grab the bag to remove it ?? | ||
| Post# 156877 , Reply# 5 10/25/2011 at 15:49 (4,559 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Yes I read that thread but that was for a older model versus the new bags , this machine is 5 days old , this is tthe bag it came fitted from the factory with. As I said in my other thread on this machine this is my second s7 upright. I bought one about 2 years ago when they first came out to evaluate how good they wee and that one was a total dud. I bought this one on thursday after a comment by Kirbyloverdan on another thread I was posting on made me wonder if I had not gotten a dud the first time.
Its a pitty as I was rally enjoying this machine and was considering it for retail in our shop.
I called miele and they are sending there engineer out to see me on Thursday. I have a bit of a reputation amoungst vac company's here which I suppose is a good thing.
Lets see what he says | ||
| Post# 156891 , Reply# 8 10/25/2011 at 18:13 (4,559 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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miele i have never had that problem ! you must be picking up very fine dust like dry wall or baby powder also rainbow vacuum and other water vacuums when you pick up fine dust it wont be trap in the water . it will clog your filter | ||
| Post# 156954 , Reply# 9 10/26/2011 at 01:25 (4,558 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Yea thats why I don't believe in water filtration, yes there was a bit of finer dust but it didn't even get thru to my dc27's filter which I would have expected it too. we were using both machines at the same time.
Funny thing is I was using a Electrolux Ultraone with the paper bag in it to clean around the edges and nothing escaped that bag | ||
| Post# 157130 , Reply# 10 10/27/2011 at 13:00 (4,557 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
Gareth, I have 2 Miele's, Kirby's, Kenmore's, Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary Edition, & a Shark Professional canister; both the Hoover & Shark are Miele copies. I use cloth HEPA bags in all of these vacs, & have noticed on my Shark & Kenmore's that they still leak some dust. I think it has to do with how well the hose tube & bag docking systems are designed to mate with the bag's collar. If they aren't designed well, the dust just leaks around the seals & defeats the purpose of having the HEPA material used for the bags. I have noticed my Kirby's & Kenmore's don't leak dust with the HEPA bags, but my Miele's, Shark, & Hoover do leak at times. I also do firmly believe the material DOES clog; they can absorb too much dust & then start to leak.
Rob | ||
| Post# 157136 , Reply# 12 10/27/2011 at 13:38 (4,557 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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I read your posts and asked Miele SA ( not the dealer ) they said they have never heard of those bags and that these are the only ones available for the machine. what is shocking is that if they know about the problem then why do they supply the machine with the bag fitted. I will say this much. Miele's vacuum line up is small fry to them here. In SA Image is everything so miele appliances like stoves dishwashers fridges and washing machines are big business. No one see's the vacuum its in a cupboard( strange people) But every one sees your fridge and says , "Wow you can afford a Miele Kitchen you must be weathy". We are probably the only country in the world were the BMW 3 series and the Audi a4 out sell toyotas by Miles. Image is every thing here | ||
| Post# 157343 , Reply# 15 10/29/2011 at 02:15 (4,555 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Ok guys after my own inspection I discovered that it is not the bag seal as in the case with the canisters but the bag itself. After a visit from the miele engineer who was a bit condesending at first untill I showed hime my workshop and test room ( were a few prototypes had to be covered up to keep them a secret) he suddenly took me very seriously. what he told me was what I expected to here. they are having trouble with the finner dust found here in SA and the bags not been able to handle it.
( I am busy with a similar Issue for the company I do testing for )
Cape town is a Lovely city but very dusty and very windy many vacs that do well all over the world fail here due to our high dust content.
Apparently they are working on it. | ||
| Post# 157346 , Reply# 16 10/29/2011 at 02:32 (4,555 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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"Apparently they are working on it." Are they building more street sweeper trucks? :P | ||
| Post# 157347 , Reply# 17 10/29/2011 at 02:52 (4,555 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 157348 , Reply# 18 10/29/2011 at 03:16 (4,555 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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t'was a joke, referring to SA being a dusty place... :P | ||
| Post# 157360 , Reply# 19 10/29/2011 at 08:48 (4,555 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY) | ||
This is EXACTLY what happened when I would use the microlined paper bags in my Kenmore canister. If I used the generic cloth bags, this never happened! Those grove areas are such a pain to try to clean. That's what always amazed me about the poly bags. The hepa filter would only get dirty because of the carbon dust. Those poly bags are great. I'm really surprised that it's leaking like that.
With my epic 6500 Lux, I've been using the paper bags and amazingly enough, I never notice the least bit of dust in the chamber. Perhaps it IS the way it seals and NOT the bag. I dunno? I know if fine dust does get in the lux bag chamber area, it looks like it would be MUCH easier to clean the way it is designed. | ||
| Post# 157385 , Reply# 21 10/29/2011 at 11:26 (4,555 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 157403 , Reply# 22 10/29/2011 at 13:35 (4,555 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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miele bag maybe the dust rubbed on bag | ||
Post# 157419 , Reply# 24 10/29/2011 at 16:42 (4,555 days old) by vinvac  (Dubuque IA) |
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I have the Miele Capricorn and love the Hy-Clean bags...never have any dust inside the machine. It has been put through the course, my friend had three cats and two litter pans...the dust and cat litter was all over her house.
Never once did any of that fine dust escape. I use the Hepa cloth bags in my Royal, no leakage, Oreck, no leakage, some in the Buster B...using the new cloth charcol bags, but still much better than paper. The only paper bag I would swear by is the old Air-Way and the new Kirby Micron-Magic...when we redid the the kitchen, we had to do a lot of plaster touch up..I used the Kirby sander, no dust in the room and none in the bag compartment. Morgan | ||
| Post# 157443 , Reply# 25 10/29/2011 at 18:45 (4,555 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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miele bag so so the hyclean bags leaked ? fine dust ? | ||
| Post# 157451 , Reply# 26 10/29/2011 at 19:55 (4,555 days old) by baglessball () | ||
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What is the difference between hyclean and air clean bags? Like the selling point? Because I dot think the massive dust leakage of the hyclean is a good one! | ||
| Post# 157495 , Reply# 29 10/30/2011 at 08:11 (4,554 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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So I cleaned the machine out and put a new bag in , 2 days later small amount of dust in the bag compartment.! very frustrating as I really like this vacuum and wanted to sell it in my shop but I won't if it has this problem.
BTW we have 11 cats 3 dogs 2 indisde bunny's , a large house with every carpet from shagg to berber and tiles and wood flooring.
My wife and I also have two sons aged 7 &9 so if a vacuum survives our house hold its a good one.
I vacuum about 3 times a day as I can't handle pet hair on any thing. we also run our business from home | ||
| Post# 157501 , Reply# 31 10/30/2011 at 09:35 (4,554 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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Miele bags Also you have know that no vacuum is perfect not even a rainbow i learned that my self. If you dont like the you should buy a kirby | ||
| Post# 157502 , Reply# 32 10/30/2011 at 09:58 (4,554 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Rainbows | ||
| Post# 157515 , Reply# 34 10/30/2011 at 11:28 (4,554 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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I have looked at sebo but they are very expensive in SA and there spares are even worse. I just replaced the hose on an x4 for a client at the equalvilent of $ 70.00. thats insane.
Dysons will always be a bigger seller for me than bagged vacuums, Say what you want customers just don't want bags. the first thing that we get asked when a customer wants a new vacuum is is it bag less I do not want bags any more. I can see why to at just over $20 for a pack of miele bags here customers just do not want that expense any more | ||
| Post# 157584 , Reply# 36 10/31/2011 at 00:55 (4,553 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Well I have a 1994 dyson dc01 here still working like new, customer just wanted something newer. A mate of mine in the UK has a dyson shop and he swears by the dc01 , builit proof so was the dc04. The trouble with the newer ones is not the machines but the customers themselves. We even get kirby's in were the bag is so full the handle won't stand upright any more and then come the sentince I love ," its not sucking any more" I get the same thing with bagless vacuums and you can see the container is full to the top but these days people are to lazy to just stop and look.
We do guarantee work on Electrolux machines ( you guys call them Eureka) some really good machines of late but the customers bring them back " not working" and all that is wrong is the belt has snapped. they even get a free one with the machine but are to lazy to fit it.
My rant over Its early Monday morning here so off to the shop now to see some more careless clients | ||
| Post# 157587 , Reply# 38 10/31/2011 at 05:21 (4,553 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 157676 , Reply# 39 10/31/2011 at 22:40 (4,553 days old) by whirlcool () | ||
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I could not imagine somebody putting a Rainbow in a cupboard or closet without emptying the pan. After a few days it would stink up the house! | ||
| Post# 157679 , Reply# 40 10/31/2011 at 23:06 (4,552 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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I don't think it's a case of imagining it, it's a case of understanding why people do it, if that's even possible to understand... :S | ||
| Post# 157710 , Reply# 42 11/1/2011 at 09:25 (4,552 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Cool another SA guy.
I have one of those Electrolux proffesionals and my one has worked rather well. The trouble with the canister is that it doesn't clean as well as the upright. I have the cat& dog canister as well and its bag never looked like this , all I can put it down to it the fact that the upright cleans better as it has a proper brush roll and not an air driven one. If I vacuum with my canister and them go over the area with my Dyson dc27 the Dyson pulls up allot of dirt that the miele left behind, however vacuum with the upright miele and them the Dyson and there is hardly any thing picked up | ||
| Post# 157733 , Reply# 43 11/1/2011 at 14:20 (4,552 days old) by whirlcool () | ||
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How old are your cat & dog canisters? This dust problem only seems to effect the dog & cat canisters that are older than two years old. | ||
| Post# 157736 , Reply# 44 11/1/2011 at 14:51 (4,552 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 157752 , Reply# 45 11/1/2011 at 17:52 (4,552 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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miele bag so if they bag leaks a little nothing gonna be perfect. ot even a rainbow is . Dont you remember is a sealed system .your filter is gonna trap every thing that rainbow cant ! or a kirby for that matter! i wouldnt worry. | ||
| Post# 157765 , Reply# 48 11/1/2011 at 19:53 (4,552 days old) by twocvbloke () | ||
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"The Miele GN bags have the rubber seal around them." Genuine GN ones maybe, generic ElecTruePart GN ones, no, and I can tell cos they're right here next to me.... :\ | ||
| Post# 157801 , Reply# 49 11/2/2011 at 15:44 (4,551 days old) by whirlcool () | ||
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Long, long time ago I asked members of this site about generic bags for my Miele, which ones they found to be the best. The answer? Always use Miele bags, period. Don't try to use generic bags. It appears that the original answer isn't valid anymore..... | ||
| Post# 157810 , Reply# 50 11/2/2011 at 18:28 (4,551 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
HyClean/AirClean Information...
Let me start off by saying that my S7580, S7280, S5981 and S2180 machines have only been used with the HyClean and AirClean bags since new, and their bag chambers continue to remain spotless. My S314 is still using the last of the original IntensiveClean bags and those in fact do let some fine dust through the material.
---- ---- ---- ---- Miele HyClean bags in FJM and GN styles have been discontinued. Some dealers may still have remaining stock of HyClean, but they are no longer available. AirClean bags in these styles eliminated the internal plastic strapping which would cause the bags not to fill properly, most commonly seen when used in the S4 series. As for HyClean bags in U style, they also have been discontinued. However, there is no difference between the HyClean and AirClean versions as no plastic strapping was included in the design. The bag material and its composition is identical in both versions. To illustrate the design changes, I have photographed both bags in style FJM... AirClean (right) and HyClean (left) 
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| Post# 157811 , Reply# 51 11/2/2011 at 18:30 (4,551 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 157812 , Reply# 52 11/2/2011 at 18:31 (4,551 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 157821 , Reply# 54 11/2/2011 at 19:38 (4,551 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada) | ||
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All HyClean/AirClean bags should have a silicone gasket on the bag collar. If you still have your HyClean bags, would you mind taking a picture and posting it here?
As for the meltblown polypropelene generics available here in North America (DVC, Envirocare Technologies and 3M/Arm & Hammer), unfortunately none will filter as well as the original Miele bags. However, if I absolutely had to use generic, my choice would be the 3M/Arm & Hammer. | ||
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