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Post# 154651   10/9/2011 at 10:52 (4,575 days old) by mrb627 ()        

My 10 year old Dyson is on its way out. I'm shopping for a replacement. What is the best vacuum and why? What should I spend? I looked at the Rainbow but cannot see any reason for spending that kind of money. Does anybody here swear by their vacuum? If so, which brand and why.

Point me in the right direction. I have analysis paralysis.

Malcolm


Post# 154653 , Reply# 1   10/9/2011 at 10:55 (4,575 days old) by Brandon_W_T ()        

Miele are far less than rainbows and are just fantastic cleaners. That would be my first choice. also some of dysons new models are incredible and affordable.

Post# 154654 , Reply# 2   10/9/2011 at 11:00 (4,575 days old) by mrb627 ()        
Dyson

I am inclined to go with another Dyson but suspect there are better machine out there.

Malcolm


Post# 154656 , Reply# 3   10/9/2011 at 11:07 (4,575 days old) by redgeminipa (Altoona, PA)        

Surprisingly, I'm pretty impressed with my Shark Navigator Lift-Away for the price. If you shop around, you can find a new one for around $150.

Post# 154673 , Reply# 4   10/9/2011 at 13:00 (4,575 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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If you are looking for Upright bagless nothing can touch a Dyson but be wise when you buy. certain models are over priced but many of the cheaper models feature older tech, the difference between a dc07 and a dc27 is huge the newer models feature much better cleaning head tech , previously a Dyson week point. A dc25 is a personal fav as is the new 41 I would stay clear of the cylinder Dysons though, they are not as good as there upright counterparts and are out cleaned by many other premium bagless cylinder vacuums like the Electrolux ultraactive which doesn't have the same quality cyclonic system so youwill have to clean the filters more often but it will suck the daylights out of your carpet 


Post# 154674 , Reply# 5   10/9/2011 at 13:09 (4,575 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
You might look at

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I recently purchased a Sebo Felix. They run $599.00 and you usually get free shipping. It comes with crevice tool and upholster tool, along with a premium parquet tool for bare floors. This way you get an upright and a canister in one vacuum. I am very pleased with mine. It has a great power nozzle with a swivel head that gets in tight places and the brush roll is easy to replace. Look at Sebo US and you will see the different colors available along with short videos on using the machine, such as changing the filter bag etc.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Bud Mattingly


Post# 154681 , Reply# 6   10/9/2011 at 13:43 (4,575 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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For what a Dyson sells for, around $300 and up, there are so many nice cleaners to choose from. But because you've owned a Dyson for ten years now, I'm assuming you like having a bagless vacuum. In that case, another Dyson or a used Rainbow is really the only way to go. Every other bagless vacuum is either junk or requires lots of maintenance, and none of them last too long.

If you are willing to try a bagged vacuum, I would certainly try pr-21's suggestion and try a Sebo. Try finding a Riccar or Simplicity dealer as well. They are not for everyone, but they are made in America and are great at deep cleaning carpets. Some of their best models are under $400.


Post# 154694 , Reply# 7   10/9/2011 at 15:14 (4,575 days old) by vacu-finder ()        

Riccar or Panasonic Uprite would be my pick......that would be the model with the new style lite bulbs

Post# 154698 , Reply# 8   10/9/2011 at 15:44 (4,575 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Miele Twist

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Beat Dyson in consumer reports . I prefer Kirby or Rainbow myself .

Post# 154699 , Reply# 9   10/9/2011 at 15:51 (4,575 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
miele Titan

The miele Titan is a good buy, if i didnt have a miele already i would buy that model. i was never imperssed with riccar At all. or rainbow after owning one i wouldnt buy one again . People complain about storing the dirt in the closet. it not like it loose in the closet. its containedd in the vacuum bag just my 2 cents .

Post# 154700 , Reply# 10   10/9/2011 at 15:52 (4,575 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
miele Titan

The miele Titan is a good buy, if i didnt have a miele already i would buy that model. i was never imperssed with riccar At all. or rainbow after owning one i wouldnt buy one again . People complain about storing the dirt in the closet. it not like it loose in the closet. its containedd in the vacuum bag just my 2 cents .

Post# 154714 , Reply# 11   10/9/2011 at 18:07 (4,575 days old) by logdog ()        

I can recommend the Kirby wholeheartedly you can get them inexpensive new. Ask for some tips on this forum and I am sure you can learn the secrets to get a Kirby on the cheap. I also LOVE my shark navigator. If you are going for a shark get e original NOT the lift-away. The original cleans better and has more cyclones to spin dirt out more effectively.

Post# 154715 , Reply# 12   10/9/2011 at 18:10 (4,575 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
I love my New Rainbow E2 Onyx

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It stores very easy just hang parts on the rack Machine takes up a little space. I love the fact that you just pour out all the dirt and dust and rinse out the water pan and wipe it clean . Very easy and quick too ! I always wipe all my machine clean after use any way so a Rainbow is no bother at all . My house stays dust free when I use the Rainbow all my other machines I have to dust more often .

Post# 154716 , Reply# 13   10/9/2011 at 18:10 (4,575 days old) by richardlxixxx (Jupiter, Florida)        
Without a doubt, buy a Miele

The Miele vacuums are the best vacuums on the market. Price, functionality, performance,dependability, and great value. Whether you prefer a canister or an upright, the Miele is the way to go. If you are a canister person, there is a Miele out there for you. They offer different canisters for every type of flooring.

I used to be a an Electrolux person. The new Aerus vacuums are way too expensive, much to noisy, not at all user friendly with their poorly designed hoses, and useless attachments. Miele beats Aerus hands down.

Actually, my entire family has made the switch from Aerus/Electrolux to Miele vacuums. My relatives have been using Electrolux products since the early 1950's and we all now have replaced Electrolux with Miele in every one of our households.

Stay well, take care, and happy vacuuming,

Richard


Post# 154718 , Reply# 14   10/9/2011 at 18:13 (4,575 days old) by logdog ()        

Richard, the Kirby cleans much better than the miele for carpeting in my opinion. I find that miele is a close second but you can't beat the Kirby.

Post# 154726 , Reply# 15   10/9/2011 at 20:07 (4,575 days old) by mrb627 ()        
Opinions

So, everyone has an opinion and they mostly all conflict with each other. Plus, there are so many brands that I have never heard of before. I am intrigued by the Rainbow, but what is the brands justification for such a high price tag?

I certainly don't have a problem purchasing another Dyson, their bagless system is pretty good in my book. I have never had an issue with storing the dirt in the machine.

Still researching...

Malcolm


Post# 154730 , Reply# 16   10/9/2011 at 20:19 (4,575 days old) by thissucks ()        

hummm. first of price.

you have the dough- Kirby is almost impossible to beat, it deep cleans VERY well and can do alot more than any other machine out there. they are heavy and expensive but you can get one for less than a upright meile with the right negotiating skills.

if you dont want to spend huge bucks i would suggest a commercial sanitair. they are light weight, DURABLE, easy to use, some feature double hepa filtration and out clean almost everything on the market, they run a low $150-325.

if you dont mind getting a used vac go for a Royal all metal upright- they clean amazingly well (some cases better than kirby)are easy to push, they last forever and you can buy attachments for it, down side is using attachments requires removing the belt (no hug issue, just inconvienent) try to find one that was made in the USA. new run $350-$700 and used from $50-150

i have seen very few miele for service, are good deep cleaners, menuver easy and have about the best filtration around, however i feel they are overpriced and replacing a cord may require buying a $200 handle!

i would avoid another dyson, new ones are only getting worse with breakdowns.



Post# 154740 , Reply# 17   10/9/2011 at 21:00 (4,575 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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I never thought I would live to say this but you might look into the Oreck. The platnum line of uprights. Quiet, powerful as hell, long lasting, light and easy as pie to use, however bags are a little pricey. Plus you get a hell of a service plan. I love my Oreck 21 which was the original of this newer line of uprights. They have gone down in price which is a good thing in this economy.

Post# 154742 , Reply# 18   10/9/2011 at 21:15 (4,575 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        
I recommend the Hoover Tempo Upright in combination with the

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I love my present pair of daily drivers: a Hoover Tempo Upright for my carpets, an Electrolux UltraSilencer Green for everything else. These two are the easiest vacs I have ever used for each category of cleaning and they were well within my budget. The Hoover Tempo cost me CAD130 and the Electrolux canister cost me CAD400 including tax. As a pair they don't take up much more room than a single power nozzle canister, and they each do the job with excellence - excellent carpet cleaning with the Hoover, and excellent airflow through the hose for bare floor and above-the-floor cleaning with the little lightweight Electrolux. Dirt bag changing is easy on both, and the UltraSilencer is one of the quietest machines I have used since cleaning with the Sanyo canister my parents had in the 1970's.

I swear by these two!!!!


Post# 154753 , Reply# 19   10/9/2011 at 21:33 (4,575 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Buy a Sanitaire, beats the competition out of the carpet and into it's bag... :P

Or a Tristar CXL, hardly anything to go wrong with them cos all they are is a motor in a shell with a bag & a switch, none of that silly nonesense you get on other modern vacs... :D


Post# 154790 , Reply# 20   10/10/2011 at 06:48 (4,574 days old) by mrb627 ()        
Sebo

Anyone have anything to say about the Sebo machines?

Went to the Oreck store for a demo and I must say, I wasn't terribly impressed with it.

Malcolm


Post# 154791 , Reply# 21   10/10/2011 at 06:57 (4,574 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
I personally can`t take

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Sebo`s automatic carpet height adjustment on their X series . It is always moving up and down and never seems to groom my carpets like other vacuums. Drive me nuts !
Orecks are very good machines I own around 12-15 of the newest ones and my favorite is the platnium pilot with the new Endoro-life belt . Awsome vacuum works well on my deep pile Frise carpets .


Post# 154793 , Reply# 22   10/10/2011 at 07:10 (4,574 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

Sebo cannisters are pretty good vacs, they're just expensive, but very efficient with excellent filtration... :)

As for Orecks, well, let's put it this way, an all-plastic Hoover Junior U1104 will outlast an Owreck, under the same conditions, and picking up the same stuff, so, yeah, steer clear of them...


Post# 154794 , Reply# 23   10/10/2011 at 07:20 (4,574 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
About the Orecks

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I am sorry but I must respectfully disagree they are very well made vacuums and many people I know have Orecks that are 20+ years old and love them . They are one of the last machines made here in the USA and these machines hold up . I live near Atlantic city NJ and mostly every hotel uses Orecks and the machines are old and hold up very well in the casinos. I used to manage an Oreck store and had the chance to purchase the store and didn`t now I am kicking myself because todays Orecks are even better than the older ones .

Post# 154795 , Reply# 24   10/10/2011 at 07:59 (4,574 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
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I also think the Kirby is an excellent choice if you can deal with the weight, the newer Orecks such as the Gold and Platinum are pretty nice machines much quieter than their older models and clean much better. The Lindhaus brand would also be worth looking into, i'm pretty pleased with my healthcare pro. As for Sebo i've not used too many (Windsor badged versamatic and flexamatic (felix) the versamatics took a lot of abuse and would keep going the flexamatics were a little problematic, i do know that a customer at a local shop who owns a carpet cleaning business would go through a TOL Simplicity tandem air machine about once a year, they sold him a Sebo X series which he's had for 6 or 7, The owner tells me that those tandem air machines clean amazingly well though.

Post# 154798 , Reply# 25   10/10/2011 at 08:29 (4,574 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        
Just my 2 cents

I have to say a few words because I have used almost every vacuum mentioned so far. Over the summer I have been working at a local vacuum store and I have been going there for many years and when considering brand reliability ( there are stores around us that sell all of these brands mentioned ) Dysons are frequent to be repaired, they have switch and belt problems all the time. Sebos are not as frequent but are still common for various repairs. Kirbys are also frequent for mostly transmission problems , fan and brush issues are also common. as for rainbows, when they do come in they are almost always at least 15 years old, never see the newer ones. The new eureka electroluxes are not as common as some of the others but when they are in here they are usually unrepairable. And finally mieles, they are almost never in for repair, and again when they are they are 10 plus years old. As for cleaning ability and usability I vote for miele uprights. I own five kirbys from various dates and I use a sentria that we ane selling in our store, and when I use my miele bolero I can hear TONS of sand and grit  going through the hose and I know it deep cleans!  as for tools on the miele they are very easy to use and you can reduce the suction for drapes and other light jobs. the filtration is very good, and the bag is large, self sealing, and compacts hair and lighter material, and it is multilayered and maintains airflow very well. and I feel that the miele can match or beat any of the other machines in terms of carpet cleaning. as for the newer dysons they do clean better then the older ones but not as well as miele, kirby ect. But if you want a canister, GO FOR RAINBOW they are even better then mieles in my opinion.

Hope this helps

Scott


Post# 154800 , Reply# 26   10/10/2011 at 09:13 (4,574 days old) by KirbyDS80 (California)        
Kirby G Series

I'd recommend the Kirby G Series over anything else. They last longer, and they come with a full set of attachments and optional accessories. I just bought a G4 and love that thing
-Jayson


Post# 154826 , Reply# 27   10/10/2011 at 10:58 (4,574 days old) by mrb627 ()        
Simplicity?

Does anyone own a Simplicity? I see that they are made in USA. That moves them up on my list. Nobody has mentioned them here yet so maybe they aren't that great. They seem to have a connection to Riccar for some reason. Not cheap, but if you only buy a vacuum every 10 years or so...

Thoughts?

Malcolm


Post# 154830 , Reply# 28   10/10/2011 at 11:19 (4,574 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Simplicity and Riccar

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Are both owned by Tacony they are basically the same machines with different names and colors, The vac shop guy said the tandem air ones (having both a direct air and bypass motor) do things "he's never seen any other vacuum do" I used to have a Simplicity Freedom and it was a wonderful lightweight machine i didn't get a chance to compare it to the Oreck XL 21 but i feel the simplicity would have had the edge

Post# 154833 , Reply# 29   10/10/2011 at 11:26 (4,574 days old) by Sanifan ()        
Lots of good vac...

I think there are a lot of good ones. Someone else's top choice may not be your's.

I like the Sanitaire redline commercial or blueline uprights alot. I have two metal topped blues and a grey topped red. They clean very well but are loud and have a brutish kinda vibe to them. Coarse and tough, not an elegant machine, but proven and gets the job done very, very well.

On the other end of the spectrum is the Sebo Felix. I love mine. It's quiet, light, very nimble and maneuverable, a real joy to use. I haven't used it a ton, but others report that it cleans and grooms very well. I like how you can switch out the powerhead and attach a parquet head for dedicated hard floor cleaning. Interesting, because it's so much quieter than the direct air Sanitaires, you'd think it couldn't clean as well. I can't tell you because of my limited experience with it, but folks think it's one of the best vacuums. Again, it handles like a dream.

I have a bunch of Tacony vacs. A couple of Riccar 8000 series, a couple of Simplicity 7000 series, a Carpet Pro, and a Dustcare 6500C commercial vac which I don't think is Tacony but seems to be nearly identical inside (this vac was also once marketed as the Bernina 6500). Some folks don't like the Riccars or this style of vac. Well, I've only used the Dustcare with any regularity. I love it. As part of my job I clean up houses and apartments after tenants have moved out and this vacuum is fantastic. Some of the houses are trashed, and this vacuum does a fantastic job with the carpets. If you get the hose kit, you can plug it into the back and use the tools. Cleans great, not too loud. A real durable workhorse. One of my favorites. The Carpet Pro an affordable commercial/heavy duty vac with similar performance. The quality of the wheels and input hose, etc, make it feel more like a budget model compared to the others. Still, it's got the same components where it counts. Depending on what kind of environment you're in,you may want to look towards the commercial vacs with longer cords. I have a Carpet Pro CPU-1, which is the same vac but with a shorter 2 prong cord.Worth checking out this style of vac.

Windsor Versamatic. Love this vac, too. Quiet and performance feels absolutely solid. It has a feel of durable quality. Very solid feeling, both in build and performance. My only quibble with it is it's heavy. Annoying if you've got to go up and down stairs with it.

Dyson DC23 turbine head canister. Love this vac, too. Some say it can't deep clean very well because of the turbine head. I don't know if that's the case or not, but it cleans very, very well in my GF's house. I just used it last night and I swear it has this interesting effect of making the air seem very clean and breathable after vacuuming. I'm not just saying that because I'm a Dyson fanatic (I'm not - have an objective love of this vac, but would be willing to dislike it if warranted). It's an effect both my GF and I notice. She mentioned it after I was done, and I've noticed it after she vacuums. Don't know what's going on, there, but the effect is real. I don't know if you notice this with your upright or not. People are way into or way critical of the Dysons. In my experience with the DC23, a very good vac.

One that I don't really recommend if you're only going to have one vac: vintage Electrolux Epic or Prolux upright. I think it's a good vac for light cleaning, but doesn't vibrate enough or have enough suction for deep cleaning. Probably pretty good on short knap commercial carpet, but I'm not sure on higher knapped carpet. I like the versatility and use it for surface cleaning after I've deep cleaned with another vac. I like the way you can switch off the head motor and use it like an electric broom on hard floors. Apparently the current Aerus Guardian models have much more powerful motors and perform much better than these older models.

Hope you find one that's right for you!





Post# 154834 , Reply# 30   10/10/2011 at 11:31 (4,574 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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I did mention the Simplictys, but I'll go more in depth now. Riccar and Simplicity are both owned by a company called Tacony and built in St. James Missouri. They are sold only in authorized dealers. Most Riccars/Simplicitys feature metal handles, brush rolls and bottom plates, although the low-end models have more plastic parts. The prices varies by the dealer. A small Riccar dealer near my house sells Riccar's Supralite for $279, but a larger dealer might have a more low-end model. Of course the price in negotiable; you could ask to thrown in some free bags or something like that.

If you don't want to buy from a dealer, Tacony also makes vacuums under than name Fuller Brush and Carpet Pro, which are very similar to the Riccars and Simplictys but are foreign made. All of the Fuller Brush models sell for UNDER $300.

Tacony vacuums are for people with homes with mostly carpeting and don't use the vacuum hose too much. I don't like using my Riccar for dusting, and they are a bit loud, but definitely no louder than your Dyson. They are fantastic at deep cleaning carpets and many parts are easily replaceable. The motors in them normally last around 15 years. Tacony makes no bagless vacuums.

I would find a dealer and try one Tacony's vacuums. You will either love or hate it, but you must try one to find out!


Post# 154846 , Reply# 31   10/10/2011 at 12:07 (4,574 days old) by mrb627 ()        
Authorized Dealer

It seems there is a Simplicity Dealer very nearby my work. I may have to go over there on a lunch break this week for a test drive. They could be the winner.

Malcolm


Post# 154866 , Reply# 32   10/10/2011 at 15:39 (4,574 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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please be sure and let us know what you end up with. I will say Simplicity is a great cleaner too. All vacuums great in one way or another.

Post# 154889 , Reply# 33   10/10/2011 at 17:04 (4,574 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)        
a suggestion..how about ?

An older Filter Queen ( brown) with a good motor in it.


Put the FQ in a closet( or under the stairs that is central for vacuuming.

Hook up a 30ft non-electric OR electric central vacuum hose.

You can then choose your tools wand and power nozzel that suit your cleaning needs.


There you have it, a space saving, powerful central vac needing no piping in the walls.


You empty the canister once per month, it is quiet, fun to use, and you will be dusting less often!


I have this exact set up in my apt. There is alot of air flow at the end of the 30ft hose too. It works well too.





Post# 154904 , Reply# 34   10/10/2011 at 19:07 (4,574 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

Uprights:

Hoover Tempo (Original WindTunnel)
Eureka The Boss Smart Vac 4870
Aerus Prolux
Kirby
Riccar

Canisters:

Aerus/Lux Classic
TriStar (pre-EXL)
Filter Queen
Dyson dc23
Rebuilt Electrolux (steel tank)

Or a central built-in is even better?


Post# 154922 , Reply# 35   10/10/2011 at 21:53 (4,573 days old) by Sanifan ()        
If you check out the Simplicity...

...also look to see if there's a Riccar dealer anywhere nearby. I know that Tacony only supports either a Simplicity or Riccar dealer in a given area, but not both, so you may only have one or the other around.

Both brands have many equivalent models are essentially the same. Don't know if Simplicity has a dual motor model like the Riccar Brilliance or not. But from the Riccar 8000 series and Simplicity 7000 series vacs I have, both lines seem more or less equivalent. There are some things you may like in one brand more than the other, like styling and handles, etc. For example, I like the look and feel of the Riccars more, but the foam slip-on handgrips on Riccars is really cheesy, and I like the molded plastic loop handles on the Simplicities better. But overall I like the styling of the Riccar more.

If you do like this style of vacuum and don't want to or can't spend the dough for a new Riccar or Simplicity, the Carpet Pro offers pretty much the same performance at a really value-minded price. They retail for something like $220, but I've seen them going for like $170-$180 shipped new from some ebay sellers. Again, the feel of some of the components, like the cheapish molded plastic wheels and the all plastic inlet hose on the back feel very budget compared to Riccars and Simplicities, but the insides, metal brush rolls, metal base plates, and performance are the same, making it an extremely good value.

I actually made a mistake getting the CPU-1 instead of the CPU-2 (commercial model) because the cord is too short for some of my needs. I would have gotten the CPU-2T next time, as well, as the "T" models have attached tools on the back. You may also want to think about which fits your needs best if you consider a Carpet Pro.

Let us know if the Simplicity/Riccar floats your boat.



Post# 154928 , Reply# 36   10/10/2011 at 22:20 (4,573 days old) by broomvac (N/A)        
Sanitaire or Kirby G series or Royal Metal Upright

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Is what I would recommend for pure, raw cleaning power in a modern upright.

Post# 154998 , Reply# 37   10/11/2011 at 11:13 (4,573 days old) by mrb627 ()        
Carpet Pro

Carpet pro doesn't seem to have a website I can locate. Other than resellers.

Malcolm


Post# 155031 , Reply# 38   10/11/2011 at 16:50 (4,573 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)        
Are you...

getting close to making a choice yet Malcolm?? I am curious when you do, could you share with us ?

Post# 155084 , Reply# 39   10/11/2011 at 22:29 (4,572 days old) by sanifan ()        
I never found a Carpet Pro website either...

Maybe Tacony just sells these through online retailers? Through word of mouth? Sure seems that way. Odd that there seems to be no website.

Anyone know if a Carpet Pro website exists?


Post# 155133 , Reply# 40   10/12/2011 at 11:40 (4,572 days old) by mrb627 ()        
Right Now...

I am down to the Simplicity and a Miele. While I would prefer to buy American, I can't seem to rule out the Miele machines quite yet.

I'll need to take both for a test drive before I can make a final decision. Of course I will report back my thoughts after all is said and done.

Malcolm


Post# 155142 , Reply# 41   10/12/2011 at 12:29 (4,572 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

A good tip when considering Mieles, look at the cost of the bags, and the size of the bags too, cos they're pretty small and pretty expensive, and small bags fill quickly and need replacing often, which gets expensive, even when using generics, an upright like a Sanitaire has huge bags which last a long time with frequent use, and cannisters like Sebo C or K series models have pretty decent size bags too, and of course bigger bags means better filtration, and better filtration is better efficiency... :)

Cost on the day of purchase is not really the best thing to be considering, you need to look at the cost of operating a vac over a period of time, say a year, I've used a set of 5 bags in my miele in less than a year, but I haven't gotten through a pack of Tristar bags since I first got my CXL, and that's with double-bagging too (only got single-ply bags), and I use both about the same (though doing different tasks), so, yeah, think about your potential purchase wisely, and if you want to buy an American cannister, buy a Tristar CXL, even if it's used, it's still a damned fine vac, and an Upright (even if most are made in Mexico these days) would be a Sanitaire S677, both excellent quality vacs, readily available, off-the-shelf consumables and parts, and can't be beaten, unless it's with a Sebo, but they're a tad pricey... :)


Post# 155151 , Reply# 42   10/12/2011 at 13:31 (4,572 days old) by scvacuumguy (SC)        

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Not to be a downer Malcom, but most of the people responding do not work in the vacuum field, they are collectors who enjoy certain types.

Nobody has bothered to ask you what surface you are vacuuming. When you go to your local Riccar or Simplicity dealer, they are trained and experienced to help you buy something that matches your home, budget, and cleaning needs.

I want to correct a few things you have been told about Riccar. The Supralite comes in 4 different models. RSL1, RSL3, RSL4, and RSL5. You can view Riccar's website and find out the various costs and visit your local dealers for the best product.

The Carpet Pro's and Fuller Brush vacuums are nothing like the Riccar or Simplicity vacuums. They are built to handle a more mass-produced lower end market.

Tacony vacuums are made for people with carpet, bare floors, tile, laminate, or any surface. There are Vibrance uprights that handle carpet only, and some with a switch to turn off the brush roll. Some supralites have lower speeds that you can switch to for bare floors. The Tandem Air Models (Brilliance, Radiance) have brush roll shut offs for bare floors. The extensive canister line also is obviously for homes with both surfaces.

The supralites have no attachments. The Vibrance and Tandem Air series' have wonderful on-board tools with telescoping wands and great on board attachments. You can also purchase an attachment set with a 15' hose separately.

97% of our customers who buy Riccar fall in love with the product and enjoy it. If you are skeptical, try a 30 day trial dealer. That gives you 30 days to try out the machine and return it, no questions asked, if you are dissatisfied in any way.


Post# 155186 , Reply# 43   10/12/2011 at 19:33 (4,572 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        
Nobody has bothered to ask you what surface you are vacuumi

I totally agree with that.  When people find out about my hobby and collections, I get asked all the time if vacuums are "good", or "what's the best...", or "I have a ___, is it a good vacuum?.."

 

My first reply is usually "What are you cleaning or what are you going to be cleaning with it...?"  I learned long ago that there is no vacuum which is "perfect"...  Everyone has different needs to be met by a vacuum cleaner, and only through knowing those needs (carpet, bare floor, above the floor cleaning, bag/bagless, etc...) -- along with a user's preferences (upright/canister), can one narrow it down to a close match. 

 

I do absolutely love my Miele canister.  Without a doubt, out of all of the machines in this house -- it's one of the cleaners I use most frequently.  It's just so easy, so well made, and so quiet.  Robert loves it too, (not that he gets a chance to do much vacuuming).    Cool

 


Post# 155202 , Reply# 44   10/12/2011 at 22:45 (4,571 days old) by scvacuumguy (SC)        

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Fred, you are the difference between an obsessive enthusiast and a true collector!

You used to work for Hoover, though, didn't you?


Post# 155204 , Reply# 45   10/12/2011 at 23:14 (4,571 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Yep, it's true.  5 years at a factory service center.  It was wonderful.


Post# 155272 , Reply# 46   10/13/2011 at 13:03 (4,571 days old) by mrb627 ()        
Floor Type

Primarily, the vacuum cleaner will be used to clean a cut pile carpet which spans most of the house. Other than that, I would like to have a long enough hose/pipe to reach the cobwebs in the corners of the ceiling when needed. A bare floor attachment would be helpful as well.

Is there any reason to chose a Riccar over a Simplicity or the other way around? They seem to have almost identical units.

Malcolm


Post# 155275 , Reply# 47   10/13/2011 at 13:30 (4,571 days old) by scvacuumguy (SC)        

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Riccar and Simplicity are the same thing- same great dealers standing behind the same great products. Not sure what your price range is, but I would try a Vibrance Premium upright by Riccar with 15' attachment set or a Pristine or Immaculate canister.

Georgia Vacuum and Sewing (770-963-1910) over in Lawrenceville is a great place to look. They are a full line retailer and will have all of the Riccars on display.

If you want to try one and have a 30 day free trial, check with Vacuums Etc. (770-479-4001) in Canton and you can do a 30 day free trial. It may be worth the 30 mile drive just to do the free trial, or you may be able to get GA Vac and sew to do it for you.

I just noticed you lived in Buford- my family almost purchased Tapp Funeral Home over on Morningside Dr. years ago!


Post# 155278 , Reply# 48   10/13/2011 at 13:36 (4,571 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
I was a Simplicity Dealer

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and the machine are just designed a little different although I like Riccar for some models and Simplicity for others. It`s really just away to have both brands in the same town with out causing any same brand competition between dealers . You can tell the machines are very similar upon visiting both Simplicity and Riccar dealers . I prefer Riccar/Simplicity over the newer Miele`s I think they offer more features for the money and I prefer the older Mieles to today`s . I gave my Sister a Blue Moon and a Capricorn The blue moon is used Daily downstairs and her Capricorn is used upstairs twice a week and the Capricorn is not holding up at all . My sister is very gentle with her vacuums and cleans them before she puts them away I tought her well . I was also a Miele dealer too , love German products drive German cars but when it comes to Vacuums I prefer Simplicity/Riccar all American made vacuums !

Post# 155314 , Reply# 49   10/13/2011 at 15:14 (4,571 days old) by whirlcool ()        

I'm another Miele guy. We've had ours about 7 years and it's great. It is so quiet you can actually hear the dust & dirt coming up the tube.

I went with a neighbor about a year ago to look at vacuums. We went to a Simplicity dealer. The guy seemed nice. He also had several old beat up Mieles for sale. During the sales process he kept telling the potential customers "You want to buy a vac that won't end up looking like THOSE (Mieles) in a year or so, don't you?". I thought that was unfair. So the neighbor bought the Simplicity for about $750.00 just because "The salesman was nice."

We got the vac home to her house and put it together and started it up. I found it to me not nearly as powerful as our Miele is. She like it though, and I guess that's all that counts.

A couple of months later this woman called me and said that the vac is not working anymore and that she wants to return it. I told her the dealer is not likely to take it back after a couple of months. So we went over to her house.
The first thing that struck me when I saw the vac was the red light that says "BAG" was on. I opened it up and the bag was overflowing with dirt!

I told her that the vac dealer is not going to take a vac back that only needs a bag change. She said she didn't realize that changing the bag would need to be done so often!

I sometimes wonder how many of these kinds of customers you see?


Post# 155384 , Reply# 50   10/14/2011 at 06:53 (4,570 days old) by mrb627 ()        
Simplicity

I plan to check out the Simplicity dealer tomorrow. If I am still not 100% sold, I will drive out to Woodstock for a look at the Riccar next weekend. Fortunately, my Dyson is still holding on. So I am not under the gun to purchase in a hurry. Which is they way I prefer to handle shopping.

Malcolm


Post# 155537 , Reply# 51   10/15/2011 at 12:30 (4,569 days old) by mrb627 ()        
Done Deal

Well, I just got home from All Wholesale Vacuum in Gainesville. I purchase the Simplicity Synergy upright. Totally impressed with the build quality. Once I get through the Owner's Manual, I will unleash the beast on the house.

I think I made a fine choice.

Malcolm


Post# 155540 , Reply# 52   10/15/2011 at 14:21 (4,569 days old) by mrb627 ()        
WOW!

Nothing cleans like a new vacuum cleaner. This thing out performs the Dyson in carpet grooming alone. Just awesome! I'll be cleaning on a more regular basis for sure. I also like the horse hair dusting brush. So soft!

Thanks to all who offered their advice.
Happy Vacuumer Here!

Malcolm


Post# 155556 , Reply# 53   10/15/2011 at 17:16 (4,569 days old) by whirlcool ()        

Congratulations for your new vac. Just remember to change the bag when needed.

Post# 155587 , Reply# 54   10/15/2011 at 20:56 (4,569 days old) by mrb627 ()        
Bags

That was a pleasant surprise, the bags are relatively inexpensive compared with other brands. Six bags for 14.50. I am infatuated with this machine. Tomorrow, I will try cleaning the a/c vents and dusting furniture with it. So far, I am greatly impressed.

Malcolm


Post# 155618 , Reply# 55   10/16/2011 at 01:10 (4,568 days old) by sanifan ()        
Great!

Glad you like your new vac! Nothing like having a machine that just performs brilliantly.

Post# 155647 , Reply# 56   10/16/2011 at 10:20 (4,568 days old) by scvacuumguy (SC)        

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You made a great choice Malcom! Us Riccar/Simplicity dealers will always be there to take care of you! Welcome to the Tacony family!


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