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Post# 139634   6/13/2011 at 15:38 (4,694 days old) by kirbyeureka95 ()        

hey guys so i really want to get a new rainbow but my parents would only buy a vac that expensive for me if it was the family vacuum. The problem is that our maid comes every day and rotates through the levels daily for vacuuming, and she isnt very gentle with the machines weve given her (currenctly a dyson dc21 and an eletrolux epic [3500?]). So is it stupid to buy a rainbow as she would carry it up and down stairs without emptying it? I would make sure it is cleaned up every day i can, but idk if its a good idea. thanks!

Post# 139641 , Reply# 1   6/13/2011 at 18:39 (4,693 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Being in the janitorial field I understand how hard people are on equipment. If it isn't theirs they don't worry about taking care of it. sounds like you have that going on there with the maid. At the price of the machine I wouldn't put it in the hands of someone that won't take care of it. You shouldn't have to follow around behind the maid and clean up the equipment that they are to use. Replace or repair due to normal wear and tear YES but not careless abuse.
I went many rounds with one of the supervisors over the care given to the equipment at a job site. I repaired the same machines many times as I would not invest in new machines to have them trashed in days. Even went as far as telling the owner of the co. that I would not buy new anything for that job site until they learned to take care of what they had. Several months and arguments later the message got thru.


Post# 139648 , Reply# 2   6/13/2011 at 19:38 (4,693 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I don't know......

If the "maid" was going to use it I would be paranoid. I don't think I would spend that machine that someone else is doing to be using.....But that's just me.


Post# 139708 , Reply# 3   6/14/2011 at 16:54 (4,692 days old) by kirbyeureka95 ()        
ok thanks for the advice :)

i think ill go for a miele instead since theyre easier to use for vacuum novices/laymen and can take a beating :P


Post# 139711 , Reply# 4   6/14/2011 at 17:42 (4,692 days old) by Brandon_W_T ()        

Why would the maid have to use it anyways? Can't she just use the lux or dyson still? Or you could be the maid ;)

Post# 139715 , Reply# 5   6/14/2011 at 20:03 (4,692 days old) by kirbyeureka95 ()        
well...

im in school, and then this summer ill be in bolivia, africa, and 3 other states away from home, so i literally have no time. and the dyson is gunna need to be replaced within the year, so that why im thinking about a brand new one ( i rarely get new vacs for my collection)

Post# 139716 , Reply# 6   6/14/2011 at 20:05 (4,692 days old) by kirbyeureka95 ()        
and...

i dont have $1500 to drop for a fully outfitted rainbow, but as i said, if its the family vac (family including maid), my parents would buy it

Post# 139718 , Reply# 7   6/14/2011 at 20:16 (4,692 days old) by vacman117 (Chicago, IL)        

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I would say go for it. It's not like it can't be fixed.

Post# 139723 , Reply# 8   6/14/2011 at 21:05 (4,692 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

If you do go for buying a Rainbow for the maid to use. Take into consideration that that she may not want to mess with setting it up every time it is used. It will be the same routine about the Rainbow as it is about using a Kirby. To hard to use etc. Besides if it isn't getting the proper care you are going to be upset that the maid is destroying it and won't be the valued collectors item you want it to be.
You would be better off with with a plug in and go vacuum for the maid to use. You may have to save up and buy the Rainbow for yourself and your collection of vacuums.
Rainbows are nice vacuums but personally don't want one myself. First for the fact of the set up and take down no matter how big or small the job is. Secondly my cleaning pattern doesn't work well with a canister type vacuum. I used rainbows in the early 70's as a kid. It was fun to see how dirty the water got but that was the limit to my facination with the rainbow. The Kirby has always been my first love in vacuums. I have used the E2 model and still feel the same way 30 some years later. I'm a manager for a janitorial service and have first hand knowledge that employees don't want to put any more effort into a job than they are forced to.


Post# 140035 , Reply# 9   6/17/2011 at 14:52 (4,690 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Not so sure that the "too hard to use" applies anymore with the latest Rainbow, with ONE hose only and direct connect, not having to clean the separator every time. Still somewhat of a chore but nothing like previous models. Even mine isn't that much of a pain.

Post# 140036 , Reply# 10   6/17/2011 at 15:43 (4,690 days old) by Trebor ()        
Don't buy the Rainbow for the maid to use....

Despite the fact that it is easier to use
1) she will not use the Rain Jet and likely will not carry the Rainbow Mate along
2) she will NOT empty and refill the water when it needs to be changed
3) she will not either leave the machine running or take it off the basin when she stops cleaning for any reason, like to use the bathroom.

Why not get a Sebo Felix for the maid?

easy to get out, use and put away. upright format, even for bare floors, either by shutting off p/n or switching to bare floor nozzle, still gets under and around things, on board hose, convertible to hand held. easy bag change,


Post# 140068 , Reply# 11   6/17/2011 at 23:11 (4,689 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

In reply to Mark40511 and in agreement with Trebor you have now clue how difficult it is to get employees to to the simplest of tasks in maintaning equipment. It simply wont happen and the "to hard to use" no mater how simple it is will come into play. I learned how to correctly assemble the Kirby 519 my grandmother had by the age of 4. Im now 44. to me it is a no brainer. I have met numerous people that cant follow simple instructions and pictures in an owners manual for any make of machine. My boss the owner of the janitorial service I work for used my kirby at the office to clean is truck with one day. He has seen me set it up numerous times. That day he called me and said the he thought my vacuum was broken. He mentioned that it was blowing dirt all over the truck instead of sucking it up. I realized he hooked the hose up to the exaust on it instead of the intake on the front of it. Im not really surprized by this as he spells "vacuum" vaccume got to wonder about him.

Post# 140074 , Reply# 12   6/18/2011 at 01:05 (4,689 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
HUH?

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NO.........I totally AGREE with Trebor, if you read my first post toward the top; I know people don't take care of things they themselves do not own. I realize this. I was just responding to the "too hard to use in general" part.......But even then, I wouldn't want a maid using the Rainbow.

Post# 140087 , Reply# 13   6/18/2011 at 08:14 (4,689 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
question about getting a new Rainbow

Maybe we are attacking this problem from the wrong angle. If the person hired to do a job either refuses to respect your property or is careless with your home appliance,do you really want to trust that person with all your home's nice furniture? Do you really think you should be forced to use inferior equipment just because an employee is either not able to learn how to use the equipment or is so careless.
We had this same situation with a friend who became sick and had help to clean her house. Her carpets always LOOKED clean but when I checked her vacuum one day I had to use tools to even get the packed as solid as a brick vacuum bag out of her Riccar upright. I showed the cleaning lady how easy it was to change the bag and their were over 20 spare bags on the shelf. When I checked it again in several months-the same situation. The rug looked clean because the brush was picking up the loose stuff and fluffing the nap. What kept that Ricarr from being burned out I will never know. When we went into this house later to clean up after she passed on I took my Electrolux and filled bag,after bag after bag from clean looking rugs.


Post# 140092 , Reply# 14   6/18/2011 at 10:29 (4,689 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Hey Rob

I know. It would be very hard to find someone to clean a house the way the person having it cleaned would want it. Someone hired to do something is always going to cut corners. I'd rather do it myself


Post# 140099 , Reply# 15   6/18/2011 at 12:31 (4,689 days old) by Trebor ()        
Hiring a cleaning service is different from hiring an indivi

who is a professional cleaner. If they bring their own vacuum cleaner and supplies, they are considered an independent contractor. If all is supplied for them, they are an employee. If you pay an employee 600.00 or more per year, you must withhold taxes.

Having said that, if you want someone to clean, find someone who works independently, and has a folowing, preferably a waiting list. If someone depends on cleaning for their livlihood they are not going to work for minimum wage. They reserve your timeslot for you, and if you go on vacation, or don't show, you still pay for your time slot. You can cry unfair, and she will find someone to take your place in 15 min.

A cleaning person who will water plants, answer phones and write accurate messages, let the dogs in and out, not balk at cleaning up pet accidents, or cleaning the refrigerator is a gem. Expect to pay 100.00 bare minimum for 6 hours. He/she cn do a lot in 6 hours. I do every week.

Someone who will treat your home as if it were his/her own is a gem. They are out there.


Post# 140112 , Reply# 16   6/18/2011 at 14:20 (4,689 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

How very True Trebor. There are people out there that will respect your home the same way you would or better. And they are gems. We look for those same qualities in employees for commercial building services. As far as giving an employee inferior equipment that wasn't suggested. Just a suitable alternative that meets everyones needs. Maybe the family needs to install a built in system. This would sovle many concerns. They are easy to use. the hoses are light and the right system will out clean any portable unit. There is much less chance for damage and it also adds value to the property.

Post# 140113 , Reply# 17   6/18/2011 at 14:21 (4,689 days old) by kirbyeureka95 ()        
i'd just like to say for the record,

my maid is a very nice lady and does all of those things mentioned above, and takes care not to damage expensive furniture, etc, i just meant from a water in a very expensive vacuum pov, i didnt know how well a rainbow could stand up to splashing etc. and i wouldnt have her use all the fun stuff, that id keep for when i use it :P

Post# 140116 , Reply# 18   6/18/2011 at 14:36 (4,689 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        
For the Record

For the most part it is a durable machine. No it won't take being dropped down a flight of stairs with out some damage. As far as splashing water during use I don't see that as an issue as it was designed to be portable. Years ago we ended up vacuuming up a can of cleanser in our Rexair. Turned the stuff into shaving cream comming out the exaust. The machine still operated perfectly for my god mother who we sold it to. Well into the 80's before it went to vacuum heaven. When it is all said and done you have to decide how much you want to share the machine with some one else to use daily in light of the fact you would like to have it for your collection. Is that something you personally are willing to do. If so go for it. If not better buy it yourself so you have the final word about the how, when, where and by whom it is used.

Post# 140122 , Reply# 19   6/18/2011 at 15:36 (4,689 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I know "they are out there" but it's rare to find.

I actually don't mind doing it myself.


Post# 140198 , Reply# 20   6/19/2011 at 03:56 (4,688 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

With all of this-just use the Rainbow,Kirby or whatever --myself.I really just don't trust "strangers" in my home-esp alone.And I would NOT have the janitorial service answer my phone-that what answering machines and services are for.I have read too many horror stories above.and outside janitorial services can be a security risk-just make sure ALL valuable items are out of sight and LOCKED UP!And have your computer shut off-prefrably locked off when the janitors are there and alone-otherwise you may find they are surfing the net and not doing the cleaning work.Happens a LOT in offices!

Post# 140214 , Reply# 21   6/19/2011 at 09:55 (4,688 days old) by magic-clean (FL-GA)        
Compact / Tri Star

canisters have provided great service for a friend with a very active household and an overworked cleaning person. Previously, they would replace various canisters every couple of years due to various problems brought on by abuse.

Now with the Compacts (a couple of the NIB vintage units from the seller in Ohio) the cleaning service person:

*can easily see when the bag is full and just drop a new one in place

*has yet to damage any of the attachments or the hose

*wraps the cord around the machine.....no cord reel to break

In this case, the simpler the better. No need for anything fancy. If it breaks, it'll be easily repaired. Plus the cleaners do a great job. Same can be said for the Kirby G4 they have for their carpets.

L.P.







Post# 140267 , Reply# 22   6/19/2011 at 17:46 (4,687 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Tolivac this topic was about letting the maid use an expensive vacuum the collector can't afford to buy for himself but would like to have for his collection. To get the machine in question he must get the family to buy it and let it be used as the primary vacuum for the residence. Nothing was said about the honesty of the maid. Or the need for armed guards to protect the valuables in the home. Alternative equiment was suggested as a way to meet everyones needs as the equipment on hand is in need of replacement. And also to have the poster assess his personal feelings about someone else use something he feels strongly about. Any Home or commercial cleaning service does back ground checks on employees and hold certificates of insurance to protect against losses. Yes someone can slip thru the cracks at times. Focus on the question at hand. SHOULD THE VACUUM BE PURCHASED BUY THE FAMILY FOR CARE OF THE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND AVAILAIBLE FOR ALL TO USE? OR SHOULD THE COLLECTOR SAVE UP AND BUY IT FOR HIMSELF FOR HIS PERSONAL USE AND COLLECTION?

Post# 140271 , Reply# 23   6/19/2011 at 18:32 (4,687 days old) by Trebor ()        
The differeces... and a solution?

between a personally employed household cleaning person vs someone sent via a commercial cleaning service. The former comes with a bond of personal recommendation and the trust of a clientele who value and treat the person like a family member. They may carry a surety bond on themselves, and that is reflected in the charge for their services. The latter comes with a automatic background check but also performs a lesser range of services. Someone in the first category might be amenable to using a machine like a Kirby or a Rainbow. Cleaning personnel from a service will bring and use the equipment supplied by the corporation which employes them and perform the prescribed list of services. Period.

I happen to be someone who is valued highly by my clients. I answer the land line because they get a lot of calls they want to respond to immediately, and not have to play phone tag. There are cleaning people who are trustworthy enough to have keys to clients homes, and to lump them together with people from a janitorial service who barely pass muster for employment is demeaning and insulting to us.

Perhaps the maid would be amenable to learning to use the Rainbow. A water basin stored on every floor would be a nice way of ensuring the water was dumped after a level was cleaned, the machine being carried without the basin, so there is no chance of splashing in the machine/hose. It also makes the machine lighter to carry without the water.



Post# 140281 , Reply# 24   6/19/2011 at 20:43 (4,687 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

I agree Trebor I'm and operations mgr. for a janitorial service. We do commercial buildings along with schools. Tolivac hit a nerve with me also. Just because we swab toilets and mop floors doesn't make us the scum of the earth. We provide a valuable service to many. We have many loyal employees that are an asset to our organization. And there for Loyal customers that see the value of the services we preform.

Post# 140287 , Reply# 25   6/20/2011 at 01:22 (4,687 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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I have never used a Rainbow, but they look like a wonderful machine and I too would love to purchase one. However, they do appear to be a machine that does require a little bit of extra care in order to keep them running their best for many years. While I have no doubt that a Rainbow can probably handle some of the abuse of a maid, I dont think this is the ideal machine to have the maid use. We have had several housekeepers over the past 15+ years and while the last one was absolutely the best around, I dont think she would have been to keen using a Rainbow. Maria, was the housekeeper that came with stellar references and she was the one that had a waiting list of future clients. If you have a live-in housekeeper I think it might be a different story, but for someone that cleans more than one home a day, this would add to the time they spend in your home. This would hamper their ability to quickly move through your house and on to the next one. We have had Electrolux canisters for years, and every housekeeper we have ever had have told us most of their other clients had Electrolux canisters too. I think a high end bagged canister might be the better choice as it gives your maid the ability to pull it out of the closet, plug it in and vacuum away, then put it back in the cloest as soon as they are done.

One other option is to install a central vacuum system. When I installed one in the house at the time my family and the housekeeper were using a Miele Blue Moon and Red Velvet. When Maria found out that I put a central vac in she was so happy. She liked all the previous machines that I had, but the central vac she was just head over heals about. A nice unit can be purchased and installed, along with the right accessories for your own home for probably around the same price of a new Rainbow, plus it can add to the value of your home.


Post# 140288 , Reply# 26   6/20/2011 at 05:01 (4,687 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I am sorry if I offended commercial janitorial services-They provide a valuable service to offices that can't do the cleaning or janitor work on their own.I have used janitor services when moving out of a home for cleaning.But don't need them when I am in the home.Most of the janitorial services I know of provide their own equipment.the one I know uses a Riccar Superlite uprite and a Riccar 1500 canister for her work.she has several household and commerical clients.she stays away from the computers at workplaces.she wants to do the cleaning and nothing elese.I would trust her.I can agree for a janitor person if you have to provide the machine-provide them with a machine thats easy to use-and bagged.Don't think they would want to be burdened with a bagless or watertrap vacuum.I realize most janitorial services provide honest,proper work.But sometimes you may run into "sour apples"the manager of a service I knew of-he would dismiss anyone that violated the simple security and safety measures.And he mentioned it was difficult for him to find people who would want to do commercial cleaning work as a career.I feel many janitorial people are underpaid.It is a skill.Its easier to track the dirt into a home or building than remove it!Somewhere I read how many hours it takes to remove 1 pound of dirt tracked into a place-was high!

Post# 140297 , Reply# 27   6/20/2011 at 07:13 (4,687 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I too am sorry. I didn't mean to offend any janitorial service and or housekeepers. I have the time to do it myself and even before when I was working as a telephone operator six days a week, I still found time to clean everything high and low myself.....I H A T E D the chore of doing it all but I can't help it. I want it done and done right and it's hard for me to trust anyone. I guess because growing up, I've helped clean and watched how others did a complete half ass job and it's just burnt into my brain I guess.

Post# 140483 , Reply# 28   6/21/2011 at 15:45 (4,686 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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@kirbyeureka95:  I know that you stated you already own an Electrolux Epic upright, and there for I assume you are familiar with how easy it is to change the bag in that machine.  Like everyone else here, I have owned numberous vacuums over the years but for a "non vacuum enthusiast" not all vacuum bags are easy to change. While I have never found that any vacuum that I have owned has a bag that is difficult to change, I can see why some people might have difficultly changing the bag is something like a Kirby or even a Miele canister.  You must be careful when closing the lid of the Miele after changing the bags inorder to be sure that the spring loaded bag clip lines up the bag collar properly with the hose inlet, or else you will wind up with a mess inside the bag chamber.  My mother changed the bag in one of my Miele's once and while she has used canister vacs for the past 30+ years, and I nearly killed her when I opened the machine to find that it had not sealed properly on the hose inlet. 

 

Anyway, the point to my little rant is that when it comes to maintaining a machine, no other machine that I know of has an easier bag to change than an Electrolux tank.  They are self-sealing, and all anyone needs to do is pull out the old one and pop in a new one.  The way I see it, it couldnt possibly be more idiot proof, I mean no offense in anyway to your maid, but it ensures that your unit will not be damaged by installing the bag incorrectly or by the maid putting off changing the bag because its a hassle.



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