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Non Genuine dust bags....opinions ??
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Post# 12526   4/13/2007 at 13:28 (6,221 days old) by magic-clean (FL-GA)        

O.K. experts, looking for insight regarding bojack Miele vacuum bags. My mom was lamenting the cost of a box of FJM bags. We've always used the original Intensive Clean Plus and continue to do so. I'm thinking the original is best. However, out of curiosity, how do the DVC or Enviroclean bags compare?

Thanks.....Leslie



Post# 12527 , Reply# 1   4/13/2007 at 13:32 (6,221 days old) by hooverbear (5 deborah place disndale new zealand hamilton )        
Bootleg Miele Bags

I've got a silver moon I use as the daily driver. I have the bootleg bags, and can't wait to get rid of them and get the real deal. It's worth the extra money, believe me. The bootleg bags don't fit right, and the fabric is thinner and does'nt filter as well. (just my opinion :) )

Post# 12529 , Reply# 2   4/13/2007 at 14:00 (6,221 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
No Comparison........

Just my opinion.....

NEVER!!! use non genuine Miele bags!!

Nothing can come close for filtration, minimal decrease in suction as the bag fills, protection for the motor.....need any more reasons? lol! ;).

Also (over here anyhow) Miele reserve the right to void the guarantee if non genuine bags are used.

How much do genuine retail for in the US?. over here the shop I work in sells them for £7.00 a pack($13 approx)- although some big box retailers rip their customers off for over £10 ($19) a pack!!!

Seamus


Post# 12565 , Reply# 3   4/14/2007 at 02:57 (6,221 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I didn't know other vac bag manufacturers were making "bojack" bags for Meiles-thought Meile hasn't licensed other makers to make bags,filters and parts for Meile machines.Nonetheless I would stick with original equipment bags and filters.The warrantee and motor will thank you.

Post# 12833 , Reply# 4   4/19/2007 at 17:25 (6,215 days old) by magic-clean (FL-GA)        
Fair deal--dilemma solved

Found a vac shop offering Miele Intensive Clean Plus bags; "buy 3 boxes at $13.25 each, get the 4th free".

Post# 323128 , Reply# 5   4/24/2015 at 05:43 (3,289 days old) by Magic-Clean (FL-GA)        
Revisiting the

Miele dust bag topic. Many Bed Bath & Beyond stores are displaying various bags & filters. Their online store finder allows an inventory check of the products. The store $5 or 20% coupons apply. Nice discount on the consumables.

L.P.


Post# 323160 , Reply# 6   4/24/2015 at 11:29 (3,288 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I buy bags for my Kirbys on eBay. I can usually get a good unit price on bulk lots. I'm working through a lot of 27 (three 9-packs) micro-filtration bags made by Envirocare Technologies. I have no complaints on quality. They're very comparable to Kirby's mid-range paper Micron Magic bags. I wouldn't know how they compare with the premium cloth ones, as I've never used any of those. They're definitely better than the basic paper "Generation 3" bags, which I also have a small supply of. I got the Envirocare bags a little over two years ago for about $30, including shipping, and they came with three genuine Kirby belts as well. That was a crazy good deal the night I pulled my first G6 from beside the dumpster.

Post# 323200 , Reply# 7   4/24/2015 at 21:12 (3,288 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I'm a purist

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It's "Genuine HOOVER" all the way.


Post# 323221 , Reply# 8   4/25/2015 at 06:22 (3,288 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Paper bags ain't the best, the can rip and the suction is not as good as a vacuum with a cloth bag. Numatic He a FLO's are the best bags I have ever seen. Fill them up and they still have the similar suck.
We had a Vax pets 6140 bagged multifunctional vac, after 6 months of use with a fresh genuine paper bag, and then replacing the bag, you REALLY do realise how much the suction deteriorates after weeks of vacuuming.

Try this with a Henry, with a HepaFlobag, You will not see MUCH difference, the bags are just quality. Nice material too


Post# 323231 , Reply# 9   4/25/2015 at 09:49 (3,287 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county)        

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Walmart offers the Armand Hammer brand Miele bags. They are every bit as good as the genuine. They are the cloth HEPA disposable bags. With the plastic collar that seals itself. Have been using them for several years now and no complaints. Excellent filtration , no dust in the compartment. Three for $6.

Post# 323242 , Reply# 10   4/25/2015 at 12:57 (3,287 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I'm using third-party bags on my Electrolux 1205 as well. They're Multi-Home 4-ply bags. No complaints on performance and the bag compartment is clean and dust-free.

Post# 323243 , Reply# 11   4/25/2015 at 12:59 (3,287 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Sorry, minor typo. The brand of those bags is Multi-Filter.

Post# 323250 , Reply# 12   4/25/2015 at 13:18 (3,287 days old) by Louvac (A)        
While we're on the topic...

Why doesn't my Miele or any other for that matter follow you in a straight line? Mine sort of travels diagonally. There is nothing under the wheels from what I can see.

Also, why is the exhaust filter so dirty with charcoal-black-looking when I just replaced the filter and only used the machine about 4-5 times so far? Mine is a model S280i which was sold as a straight suction machine though it has the electric hose port on it.


Post# 323269 , Reply# 13   4/25/2015 at 13:46 (3,287 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The HEPA filter is trapping the carbon particles from the motor's carbon brushes. All vacuum cleaners (except the Rainbow with Hurricane Motor and a few Dyson hand vacs) have carbon brush motors. Even mixers and blenders do too. But they just spew the carbon particles onto the counter.

Post# 323271 , Reply# 14   4/25/2015 at 14:06 (3,287 days old) by Louvac (A)        
Didn't think...

that there would be such an accumulation in such short a time period.

Thanks, Tom!

Now, what causes it to travel in a diagonal fashion?


Post# 323331 , Reply# 15   4/25/2015 at 19:40 (3,287 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        
Uh....

the driver? Just a guess...

Post# 323399 , Reply# 16   4/26/2015 at 14:43 (3,286 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
If you look in you HOOVER owner's manual,

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I'll wait while you get it out of the top drawer of your desk, along with other important documents.

   .........  OK?  Good.

  Let us all turn to the page about bags.  . On page 14 of model # U4101, 1976 manual ( the copy I'm using now),  What bags to buy: "To assure that your HOOVER cleaner operates at peak performance, it is imperative that you use only genuine HOOVER throw away bags, made by The Hoover Company."HOOVER bags can be idetified by the trademarks........ There's also advice on the back cover  page from The VCMA, consumer information,  telling basically, the same thing.

  It's awful when you go to, say ,Walmart, to purchase a HOOVER cleaner.  But, Walmart doesn't sell GENUINE bags!

  They only carry Enviracare or  ARM&HAMMER bags.  What is one to do? 

  The only thing in my house made by ARM&HAMMER is baking soda,   known for years as salaratis.

  So,  let us follow our manuals and enjoy years of problem-free cleaning w/ our respective genuine replacement bags  Works for me!

 


Post# 323400 , Reply# 17   4/26/2015 at 14:57 (3,286 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Hear hear John. All my Hoovers are running with bags and belts proudly displaying the HOOVER trademark. I would not use them with anything else, although I fear the genuine parts made today are no better than generic parts sadly.

Post# 323422 , Reply# 18   4/26/2015 at 22:14 (3,286 days old) by kirbyvacuum (Long Island New York)        
Kirby bags all the way

Genuine Kirby Bags for all my Kirbys. Love my new Avalair

Post# 323429 , Reply# 19   4/27/2015 at 06:02 (3,286 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I've had 3 or 4 'scrap' Miele S5 vacuums and every one has been used with a bojack bag, or no bag at all! All have needed the motor stripping, fan washing, then a full overhaul and their back to normal again!

I try to use genuine bags in everything, although if I have a pack of non genuine bags i nthe shed, or cant get genuine ones then I use those.

I have a few brand new old stock H4 and H1 packs in the loft, won't use those yet, will work through my stock of genuine/bojack bags first, the machines dont get heavily used enough to really warrant new genuine bags for one or two uses!

My Miele now though (and my mum) get a brand new service box whenever they want. Normally lasts a year anyway, and I can get them cheaper from trade suppliers so it's no big deal!


Post# 323449 , Reply# 20   4/27/2015 at 12:20 (3,285 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Of course they'd say that...

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Any manufacturer of any product that has any consumables associated with it is going to specify the use of only THEIR brand of consumables in order to maximize their profits. In some instances, the manufacturer will actually sell the item at a loss in order to make their profit on consumables that are sold at an extreme markup. Ink jet printers are sold this way. That's why you can often buy a whole new printer for pretty close to the cost of a set of ink cartridges.

Whether you use third-party bags or not, be glad they exist because that competition keeps the OEMs honest. They can't afford to charge too much of a premium for their consumables because the competition would eat them alive.

Certain "name" brands are often used used under license for products in market segments where that company doesn't compete. The fact that I've only seen Arm and Hammer belts and bags at Walmart leads me to believe Arm and Hammer doesn't actually manufacture those products. The trademarks have most likely been licensed by Walmart, which then shops the production to competing manufacturers to get the lowest bid. I would also not be at all surprised if least some OEMs aren't doing the same thing with their own consumables.


Post# 323459 , Reply# 21   4/27/2015 at 15:07 (3,285 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Absolutely true.

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But, at the bag plant. #2, the quality of the filter paper was exceptional. I learned that it cam from the Poconos...not far from me, as I live in the Wyoming Valley, the backside of the Pocono Mountain Region.
I know that HOOVER also made certain bags for other makes.
I also feel that the "new" genuine bags, (the white paper) is not nearly as good as the green or gray paper bags. Of course, they are made 'elsewhere'...{outside the U.S.A.}


Post# 323480 , Reply# 22   4/27/2015 at 16:58 (3,285 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Ray Porter,

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Foreman @ Bag Plant, Tom A. and I were talking about how they should have introduced HEPA bags at that site.  Sadly,  they never did.



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