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Rainbow E Series, what am I missing?
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Post# 131777   4/10/2011 at 19:28 (4,758 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

I just picked up this E Series Rainbow today, in pretty good shape. It's missing a few things, though, and I'm not quite sure what. Chime in if you know, and add if you know good sources to get the missing items.

Thanks!


Post# 131779 , Reply# 1   4/10/2011 at 19:45 (4,758 days old) by Brandon_W_T ()        

Nice find! Is this the 2 speed/brushless model? I had the one that came out just before the blue model (same machine just with gold trim)

I loved it! Great suction, and such a unique sound. Just not a fan of water machines.

All I can see that is missing is the wide floor brush, and sometimes I have seen machines with a separate pair of metal wands for straight suction cleaning.


Post# 131780 , Reply# 2   4/10/2011 at 19:49 (4,758 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

This is the original E series, so single speed. I'm certain I'm missing the metal wands for use with the non electric hose.

Post# 131784 , Reply# 3   4/10/2011 at 20:20 (4,758 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Yes

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You're missing the metal wands that go with the NON electric hose.

Since you got this used, I would take the HEPA filter out and take a look inside the machine. If you see dirt inside, it may need to actually be cleaned inside. That's the ONLY reason I wouldn't want to get a water filter vac used (unless it has already been refurbished and already cleaned) I don't think folks change the water enough on these and it can cause the inside to get dirty.

That looks like the OLD Aquamate as well. The new ones for the E series are MUCH better. I guess it will work with the E series.

ONLINE: The BEST place I have found to get any Rainbow supplies is Goodvac dot com. They have everything and are the cheapest I have found


Post# 131791 , Reply# 4   4/10/2011 at 20:34 (4,758 days old) by Brandon_W_T ()        

Yes do check the innards.


My E2 was obtained through a trade for my practically brand new Dyson DC17 (something I rather regret)


I got it from a lady who WAS A RAINBOW SALESWOMAN.


I soon after found out that she vacuumed up mud with the straight suction tools and it was completely clogged.


Then I found out she STORED THE MACHINE with WATER IN THE PAN. It reeked of mold. I ran it outside overnight on low speed with scents in the pan.


Never could kill the smell, I SOAKED the filter in bleach for over an hour, and it still smelled.


Poor poor rainbow. I did clean it up as best I could, and sold it on ebay.

Here is the only picture I can find of the machine anywhere. The lady sent this to me.


Post# 131802 , Reply# 5   4/10/2011 at 21:09 (4,758 days old) by Trebor ()        
Rainbowmate

The smaller electric power nozzle is not there, but it is an extra, like the Aquamate

Post# 131843 , Reply# 6   4/10/2011 at 22:25 (4,758 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

Good, thanks! I didn't realize goodvac had Rainbow parts, but I do now. The machine is has some dirt, but not bad, and the HEPA filter looks good. It was in a storage unit that somebody stopped paying the rent on, and I bought it from the guy who bought the contents. He may still find the wands for me, I can give him a couple of weeks for that.

Even though I wasn't sure how much to fill the basin, I guessed well, using that raised part in the middle as a guide because it just made sense to me. I ran the machine and did a bit of cleaning in the living room, and no funny smells, no bad behavior, no strange noises...it just cleaned pretty well, and I poured out a couple of basins of dirty water.

Overall, not the prettiest example of an E Series, with dirt and scuffs and such, but I'd say good for what I paid. :)


Post# 131845 , Reply# 7   4/10/2011 at 22:27 (4,758 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

Oh, and I think I want to save for the new wet electric hose and the Aquamate 3...that thing looks great!

Post# 131847 , Reply# 8   4/10/2011 at 22:30 (4,758 days old) by Brandon_W_T ()        

The newest aquamate looks pretty good. Reminds me of a more traditional home style carpet cleaner.


The little indent in the center of the water pans bottom is the level line, fill it just past the tip and your good to go! :)


Sometimes changing the water a few times during a cleaning can be good for ease of cleaning in the end. Otherwise you can have a pan of lots of nasty crud if you clean for a long time.

Especially advised if you have pets that shed a lot.


Post# 131851 , Reply# 9   4/10/2011 at 23:14 (4,758 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I'm sure if anyone buys a Rainbow that happens to be really dirty inside, it can be taken somewhere to be taken apart and sanitized on the inside. I know the distributor here charges 65 dollars for that, but I have never had it done. Mine doesn't need it.

Good vac is great. They have every part for Rainbow that exists I think. I bought the 14 foot non-electric hose and it's GREAT if you live in a house with vaulted ceilings. I can stand on an eight foot ladder and clean on top of cabinets, ceiling fans. It comes in very handy to get those REALLY high places that I can't get with the standard size non-electric hose.

After having owned it for several years, I think the most important things are:

1) Change water before it gets too dirty and don't fill the basin with water over the dome in the middle

2) Keep and eye on the separator and clean it with a toothbrush if it needs it

3) Don't turn the machine OFF and let it sit with water in the basin. For example: If you're in the middle of vacuuming and you stop for an hour or so to do something and you're going to finish later. Take it off the basin with water in it.

4) If you vacuum up liquids with the non-electric hose, be sure to fill the sink with some CLEAN water and suck clean water through the hose to wash it (careful to not let the water get past the top of the dome in the basin), then put the hose on the exhaust to dry it.

Seems like a lot, but it's all simple really.


Post# 131852 , Reply# 10   4/10/2011 at 23:19 (4,758 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Oh I forgot to mention. I want the new Aquamate too. But I already have a Hoover Deep cleaner....And I think (correct me if I'm wrong) but you can't use HOT water in the new Aquamate, only cool water.........I don't really like the idea of cleaning carpets with cool water. But the thing I do like about the new aquamate is that I suspect the extraction would be MUCH better than a regular deep cleaner since Rainbow has great suction.

Post# 131860 , Reply# 11   4/11/2011 at 00:03 (4,758 days old) by goadie12 ()        

If u don't mind me asking how much did u pay for that vacuum because I have been looking for one but haven't had very much locating one thanks.

Post# 131861 , Reply# 12   4/11/2011 at 00:31 (4,758 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

You know, that one tip, draw some clean water after a wet clean up, it almost sounds like you wouldn't have to say it, like it should be intuitive...but I didn't. :)

Post# 131862 , Reply# 13   4/11/2011 at 00:32 (4,758 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

Oh, he advertised it on craigslist for $325, let me have it for $150.

Post# 131866 , Reply# 14   4/11/2011 at 02:31 (4,758 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

Okay, I learned how to remove the HEPA filter thanks to a quick and dirty tip on greatvacs dot com, and found it to be VERY dusty in that space before the filter, and the filter itself a nice tan color on the inside.

I figure the machine must have had some nice long runs with some very dirty water, bouncing a lot of dust and some grit to the exhaust. And so...I guess I learn how to field strip a Rainbow, and clean all the internals. It's gotta be a mess through and through. I might as well order a new lower motor bearing while I'm at it, as it would be senseless not to change it while I have it stripped that far down.


Post# 131867 , Reply# 15   4/11/2011 at 02:51 (4,758 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

Okay, I found a good site with a lot of detail on an E Series teardown, lots of pics and good advice. I figure this will be the project of a few weekends, but the end result will be worth it. I'd better order the motor bearing and filters and gaskets soon. :)

CLICK HERE TO GO TO troopersam's LINK


Post# 131870 , Reply# 16   4/11/2011 at 05:38 (4,757 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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This is NOT my Rainbow, but this is a PIC of an abused Rainbow. I suspect the vacuum guys get a lot of these in and see the crud inside and that's why they don't like the machines. Mine is around five years old and doesn't look like this at all on the inside. Funny though, in that pic, it looks like the WRONG hepa filter for that model Rainbow. When I take off my hepa, there's not a big square hole like in the picture, but a small round hole that the round area of the hepa goes in. I think the ONE speed E series had the big square hepa

Post# 131871 , Reply# 17   4/11/2011 at 05:46 (4,757 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Troopersam

You're going to take it apart and clean it yourself?

You're a lot braver than I am! LOL


Post# 131895 , Reply# 18   4/11/2011 at 10:45 (4,757 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

@mark40511: Yep, I'm gonna do it! I could pay to have it done, and I'm certain that if I really screw it up, I can pay to have it put back together, but that site I linked, along with some other info I read last night, showed that it's just not that hard with an E Series. It's probably easier than a Kirby teardown, which I've not attempted, but intend to learn when the time comes. It doesn't require any tools more complicated than a phillips and a bladed screwdriver, and an edged tool to scrape off old gasket material to make way for new gaskets.

I'm thinking about shooting a series of short videos to show the teardown and reassembly step-by-step...which of course could end up being a great chronicle of a train wreck! Stay tuned! :)


Post# 131896 , Reply# 19   4/11/2011 at 10:48 (4,757 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

@mark40511: That picture is bad, mine is worse. At least the dust stops at the opening...mine is ALL around the cavity where the filter fits. I didn't take a picture because those sorts of pics rarely come out right, but it's pretty bad.

Post# 131933 , Reply# 20   4/11/2011 at 15:49 (4,757 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

Okay, I've started my teardown, and have begun a video how-to. It's a work in progress, and stops where I've currently stopped. :)

CLICK HERE TO GO TO troopersam's LINK


Post# 131944 , Reply# 21   4/11/2011 at 18:03 (4,757 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

Okay, I deleted the first video in favor of one with more illustrated steps.



CLICK HERE TO GO TO troopersam's LINK


Post# 132009 , Reply# 22   4/11/2011 at 21:55 (4,757 days old) by luxg ()        

You have done an excellent job of explaining how to do this. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Post# 132025 , Reply# 23   4/11/2011 at 23:36 (4,757 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Wow thanks!

Funny how there are subtle differences in the one speed and two speed E series. I know that the ONE speed has the internal cooling filter but the two speed doesn't. Now you can get rid of someone else's filth. The motor looked super clean though


Post# 132031 , Reply# 24   4/12/2011 at 01:06 (4,757 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

The motor and upper case were very clean. The only dust in there was carbon dust from the brushes.

I did a lot of the cleaning tonight, and will finish it and reassemble tomorrow. It's amazing what you can get done with a brush and baby wipes. :)

Oh, and speaking of a brush...besides the motor and upper housing looking so good, guess what else looked brand new? The brush and wrench for the separator! I imagine the previous owner never even removed it from its storage spot.


Post# 132039 , Reply# 25   4/12/2011 at 04:43 (4,756 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Carbon dust? Oh yes, that's not brushless is it? I keep forgetting the one speed isn't the brushless motor.....

Yea.....The person probably never cleaned the separator. Interestingly enough, the separator on that Rainbow looks different than on mine. Mine is all one piece and a tan color and there was never a brush that came with mine to clean it.

At least you know there isn't any motor damage from dirt. I didn't see the round motor cooling filter in the video and you didn't mention it. I'm sure that would need to be changed. It looks like a BIG round car air filter.


Post# 132060 , Reply# 26   4/12/2011 at 10:41 (4,756 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

The filter is there, and I suppose it might need a change, but looking at its design, it looks much more likely that it's intended to minimize carbon dust going out than keep anything from coming in. I'm pretty sure I'm right because the filter is dirtiest from the inside, and the outside is snowy white.

Post# 132062 , Reply# 27   4/12/2011 at 11:02 (4,756 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Gotcha!

I still can't believe how bad it looked in that picture of it in the back of your car. I mean, it looks like it went through pure hell.


Post# 132063 , Reply# 28   4/12/2011 at 11:15 (4,756 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

Oh, that one wasn't mine...Brandon_W_T posted that as a pic of one he used to own. The one with the stink he could never clean out of it, previously owned by a Rainbow salesperson who badly mistreated it. I'm pretty sure that one was an E2, it looks like one, if really rough.

Mine looks rough too, but not quite that rough! :)


Post# 132119 , Reply# 29   4/12/2011 at 21:20 (4,756 days old) by Brandon_W_T ()        

Whoops sorry for confusing yalls.


The rainbow in the back seat of the SUV is the one I Had. Thats how I got it. It looked gaud awful, but cleaned up to look very nice, just a rotting smell! :S


Post# 132130 , Reply# 30   4/12/2011 at 22:23 (4,756 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

I'm sure the stink would come out of it after a teardown like mine, Brandon! :D

Post# 132134 , Reply# 31   4/12/2011 at 22:58 (4,756 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Oh sorry

I wasn't looking at the user name and for some reason I assumed that was the pic of you bringing it home. LOL

I meant to ask, what are you going to do about the wands that are missing?


Post# 132138 , Reply# 32   4/12/2011 at 23:29 (4,756 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

Already bought a set on eBay, should be here soon.

Post# 132147 , Reply# 33   4/13/2011 at 03:02 (4,756 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Hey Troopersam

How about the PN? Did you take it apart? I know those Rainbow PN's have a screw on them that you turn, but I think they can be taken apart further as well.


Post# 132163 , Reply# 34   4/13/2011 at 11:14 (4,755 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

Truth to tell, I hadn't even considered the PN yet. Once I get the main up and running, I'll take a look at it, but I used it the other day, and it worked nice with a clean brushroll.

Post# 132168 , Reply# 35   4/13/2011 at 12:45 (4,755 days old) by troopersam (Perris)        

It's all back together and running nicely...gotta admit, the fan assembly turns much more nicely now after a cleaning. :)


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