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Sanitaire sc684 question? |
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Post# 125802   2/23/2011 at 16:30 (4,782 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI)   |   | |
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ok. so we finally got a new vacuum at church, a Sanitaire sc684. It works great and is very powerful, but I have already replaced the belt twice. I would guess that i have used it for maybe 3-4 hours max on mostly flat carpet and rubber backed door mats. It will work fine on the flat carpet after the belt warms up, but when I go onto the door mats, the brush starts stalling out immediately. If i replace the belt, it will work on the door mats for about 20 seconds and the brush stalls out again. After that, it only gets worse. The vacuum was bought brand new last week, it has the 7 amp motor, shakeout bag and vibra groomer 2 brushroll. The belts are genuine eureka sanitaire belts. Could I use a belt for a Hoover Convertible since it would be tighter? Any info would be greatly appreciated!
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Post# 126032 , Reply# 2   2/26/2011 at 16:31 (4,779 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 126045 , Reply# 4   2/26/2011 at 17:49 (4,779 days old) by schwinnapproved ()   |   | |
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I just now noticed that you stated you in fact have the 7 AMP motor. But nonetheless I still recommend that you reconsider the Hoover belt option. ;) |
Post# 126075 , Reply# 5   2/27/2011 at 01:05 (4,779 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)   |   | |
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Sanitaires with the 7 amp motor are just too powerfull. I had a s670 and it would stall the brush roll with a new belt. You need to adjust the height setting up which will help some. I had a 7 amp motor put in my vintage twin power automatic and it works fine. Back then their was no height adjustment setting, go figure......
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Post# 126111 , Reply# 7   2/27/2011 at 13:51 (4,778 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI)   |   | |
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I tried moving the height adjustment up from 1 to 2 but the brushroll was just throwing everything out behind the cleaner. the hoover belt seems to have stretched a bit because it will slip a little now on heavy door mats, so im really not too concerned. I just ordered new brushroll bristle strips for my 6.5 amp eureka with vg2 and when they come, i will try the hoover belt on that as well because it has the same problem.
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Post# 126123 , Reply# 9   2/27/2011 at 14:54 (4,778 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)   |   | |
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I wonder if changing the brush roll to a 4 row brush roll might help. I've included a link for one below. We were having a similar problem with the Sanitaire at work, and I replaced the VG II brush roll with this aftermarket. It helped a lot. When you stop and think about it, glued down carpet really doesn't need agitation. You just need a vacuum to sweep up surface debris. I suspect that the nubs on the VGII brush roll will easily bog down on flat glued down carpeting. Though I don't that for sure. But it is true that a round belt won't last as long as a flat belt. That's just what you get with a Sanitaire, or a Hoover Convertible, etc.
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Post# 126124 , Reply# 10   2/27/2011 at 15:19 (4,778 days old) by twocvbloke ()   |   | |
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Oh yeah, I forgot about those 4-row brushrolls, especially as my Tristar has one fitted... :) |
Post# 126146 , Reply# 11   2/27/2011 at 22:20 (4,778 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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I would have to agree about the all bristle brush rolls for the Sanitaires. You can even get a Vibra Groomer I helix brush roll completely with bristles.
It makes sense that the beater bars would just be hitting the low pile carpet too harshly since it is glued down in most institutional and commercial settings, and since there really is no deep pile from which to "beat out" the dirt. All you need are the bristles to sweep dirt into the suction path. The beater bars only seem to do their job on thick wall to wall carpet that is only stapled down at the baseboards, or not affixed to a floor at all. Glued down carpeting seems to present a completely different vacuuming challenge for vacs - the physics of dirt removal is somewhat different. Do we have more people with experience using all bristle brush rolls in Sanitaires? Would be great to get a consensus on this.... We are thinking of buying a Sanitaire Contractor SC883 for our synagogue where I work. Our carpeting is mostly glued down low pile wall to wall, with a few hall mats here and there. Will we have the same belt burn-out problem if we order the 7amp SC883 with an all-bristle brush roll? CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK |
Post# 126152 , Reply# 12   2/27/2011 at 23:32 (4,778 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)   |   | |
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That Sanitaire SC883 looks like a real work horse. But I cant imagine using a machine like that on a carpet that is glued down. I recently used my Ultimate G to clean my Mom's office suite as the cleaning crew that the building has hired is horrific. The rug is a commercial style berber carpet that is glued to the floor and it was very dirty. I havent seen what the cleaning crew uses but my mother says their machines look like they are about to fall apart. I had told my mom to take the Lux Epic 6000 to the office since it doesnt weigh much, but she said asked if I would just clean it for her. I have never used a Kirby on a glued down carpet and I don't think I will be using it there again any time soon, I should have just used the Electrolux. Ive never seen the Ultimate G skip across the carpet so badly or have a brand new belt slip like it did on this carpet. The Sanitaire seems to work on the same principle as a Kirby, as it seals to the carpet and lifts the rug to beat and sweep away the dirt. It would be impossible for a machine to "lift" a glued down carpet so maybe something like a commercial WindTunnel would be a better choice?
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Post# 126160 , Reply# 14   2/28/2011 at 00:28 (4,778 days old) by schwinnapproved ()   |   | |
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Here is a link to one of the CWP rollers currently on ebay... CLICK HERE TO GO TO schwinnapproved's LINK on eBay |
Post# 126172 , Reply# 16   2/28/2011 at 06:18 (4,778 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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seems like the answer lies in installing a basic Eureka all bristle brush roll - nothing higher than a "bar-less" Vibra Groomer I like I saw installed in a Sanitaire at a local vac shop. This might work best:
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Post# 126174 , Reply# 17   2/28/2011 at 06:24 (4,778 days old) by twocvbloke ()   |   | |
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For the price, I think the black & orange VGII being $20 is more affordable, compared to a VGI at almost $50... :S |
Post# 126192 , Reply# 18   2/28/2011 at 13:08 (4,777 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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But David, I think the Vibra Groomer III with the black and orange brush strip stiffeners is still too harsh for low pile glued on carpeting... the stiffeners make the bristles very harsh. The only Vibra Groomer you should use is the VG One with regular flexible normal bristles only.
If you want to save money, you can then just get a regular bristle-only, wooden Eureka "Disturbulator" brush roll. I think these cost less than $50. :-) |