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Favorite upright with on board tools?
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Post# 124220   2/6/2011 at 22:17 (4,821 days old) by Vacuumfreeeke ()        

Hey guys, I just wanted to do kind of a poll and see what your favorite upright with on board tools is... I know some people are die hard fans of uprights that lack tools (Eureka F & G Style, Hoover Convertible, Kirby, Royal), but I really enjoy the versatility that my 3 uprights with tools provide and find myself reaching for one of them more than any of my other machines that lack them. The three I have that have on board tools are the Hoover S/P WindTunnel, Eureka Smart Vac, and Dyson DC 14. I'd like to say that my favorite overall is the Hoover just because it's beautiful and powerful, but because the attachments are awful (save the turbo tool), I would have to go with the Eureka Smart Vac. The hose doesn't fight me and the attachments are excellent quality (except the turbo tool), and it's still a powerful versatile machine. While I enjoy my Dyson much more than the typical "Dyson haters" it loses points for a hose that fights, and an awful (and too short) telescopic wand system. The attachments are well designed, however, and the hose is anchored at the bottom so it follows instead of falls much like the Eureka and not like the Hoover. Wouldn't it be great if a manufacturer could take all the great qualities from each of these machines and incorporate them in to one amazing cleaner? I think so!

So, what about you? What's your favorite upright with on board tools? Hoover Elite/Runabout or Windtunnel, Eureka Bravo or Excalibur (I've still never used one of those), Dyson, Sebo (I want an X4 so bad!), or something else? Panasonic (direct drives are nice, and the uprights with quick draw wands are great too), Riccar, Simplicity, Miele.... what do ya think?

Thanks :o)


Post# 124222 , Reply# 1   2/6/2011 at 22:19 (4,821 days old) by thevacuumman (Borger, TX)        

Mine would have to be my Panasonic MC-V7389

Post# 124229 , Reply# 2   2/6/2011 at 22:40 (4,821 days old) by Kirbyotronic ()        

Mine is my Miele S7 Tango.

Post# 124235 , Reply# 3   2/6/2011 at 23:05 (4,821 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Though I heard there were a lot of electrical/circuitry problems with it, I have to give my vote to the orange Electrolux Oxygen Three upright. It had such a cool look to it, along with a full set of tools hidden away behind a door.

The only other two "combo" uprights that might get my vote is the Eureka Excalibur and the Miele S7. Both offer a full set of proper "adult-size" tools, though the Excalibur had one up on the Miele in that it also stored a bare-floor brush and two wands on board! But both seem to have problems: the Excalibur also had electrical overload problems (burnt out switches, if I remember the reports correctly), and the new Miele seems to have a hose that collapses under the force of the suction - preventing the user from putting it back in place after use!

My other vote would go for the old fashioned Panasonic/Kenmore uprights of the 1990's - they had a hose port that allowed you to attach a much longer hose for real "canister-like" cleaning. Sadly, none of the new Panasonic/Kenmore tools on board uprights have that hose port any more. :-(


Post# 124251 , Reply# 4   2/7/2011 at 07:54 (4,820 days old) by jfalberti (Visalia, CA)        
Mine would be

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Either my Dyson DC14, or my Kenmore Progressive DD. Both are great. Hate my Eureka Altima because the attachments are crap.

Post# 124254 , Reply# 5   2/7/2011 at 08:38 (4,820 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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I haven't used much on-board vacuums, but I recently bought a $39 Bissell Powerforced bagged and I love it! The hose is easy to grab because there is a handle on the hose. I'm sure there are much better uprights but this ones working for me.

Post# 124256 , Reply# 6   2/7/2011 at 09:27 (4,820 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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would have to be my Dyson, dc18, so easy to use.

Post# 124262 , Reply# 7   2/7/2011 at 13:15 (4,820 days old) by sanimatic ()        

I am going to place another vote for the Miele S7. The tools are readily available, there are various suction levels and I have not yet experienced the problem with the collapsing hose. Also the vacuum remains very stable even with the hose stretched far from the unit. I do have to say the standard Miele dusting brush is not my favorite as it is much too small in diameter.

I recently acquired a Sebo Felix which I love overall. I plan to describe it in more detail in a separate thread, but as much as I like it, the hose is top mounted and the unit does want to tip over. It also does not come standard with a dusting brush or wand which much be purchased separately and I take issue with that for a vacuum in that price range.



Post# 124263 , Reply# 8   2/7/2011 at 13:24 (4,820 days old) by kenmore81 (Warwick, RI)        

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Id have to go with the older 1990's Kenmore/Panasonic uprights with the "power port", my next is the Elite's.
I had used a Eureka Excalibur and I do have to say I did like the two wands and bare floor brush but it lasted just over a month before the switch shorted and then anoter two weeks till the circut board in the nozzle motor went. Not exceptable for a 260 dollar upright back then.


Post# 124269 , Reply# 9   2/7/2011 at 15:33 (4,820 days old) by 2011hoover700 (owosso michigan)        

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Well, maybe a hoover powermax. I haven't used any upright with onboard tools in a long time.

Post# 124272 , Reply# 10   2/7/2011 at 16:38 (4,820 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa)        
Hoover Elite

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In my opinion the Hoover Elites had a good setup. I Like the models where the hose wraps around side as opposed to hanging over the vacuum handle, which looks cheap to me. Recently acquired a Hoover Elite U4617-930 and it is noisy. Would like to find a 5 amp Elite in the future, I would imagine those are probably quieter.

Post# 124275 , Reply# 11   2/7/2011 at 16:48 (4,820 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa)        
Walmart Bissell

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Nathaniel,

The $39 Bissell is a great value for a cheap vacuum. Had one for about a year that my sister used, when she wanted to vacuum. Eventually the front wheels feel off. But for $39 I'm not complaining.

Hoover type A bags can be substituted for the style 7 bag. Although they are longer, it's a cheap alternative.


Post# 124277 , Reply# 12   2/7/2011 at 17:28 (4,820 days old) by piano_god (British Columbia, Canada)        
Another vote for the Miele S7...

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The S7 has the best hose setup I have encountered on an upright. When I feel like using an upright, my Miele Marin (S7580) is what I normally reach for.

Post# 124279 , Reply# 13   2/7/2011 at 17:59 (4,820 days old) by djtaylor (Salt Lake City, Utah)        
My favorite...

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I like the Hoover WindTunnel bagged with out the self propel.

Post# 124300 , Reply# 14   2/7/2011 at 23:38 (4,820 days old) by jcste09 (Lubbock, TX)        
I vote for the

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Hoover Windtunnel bagged. If I recall correctly, it was purple with the red and green lights. It was quiet but the carpet looked amazing after using it.

Post# 124301 , Reply# 15   2/8/2011 at 00:25 (4,820 days old) by Vacuumfreeeke ()        

I do like that the Excalibur had an on board bare floor tool, that is great. I think the Fantoms were the only other upright to do that if I remember correctly, but the hose suction on them was terrible and they lacked an upholstery tool.... maybe not the Cyclone XT and subsequent models, but I know they Furys and Thunders didn't include one. I never liked the placement of the switch on the Excaliburs. They had a 2 speed motor didn't they? Or was it a bare floor, suction only option on the switch instead?



Post# 124303 , Reply# 16   2/8/2011 at 00:29 (4,820 days old) by Vacuumfreeeke ()        

Kenny (Loveland), what in the world happened to that poor Eureka's handle in the background of your Avatar pic?

Post# 124305 , Reply# 17   2/8/2011 at 01:27 (4,820 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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I liked the Kenmore/Panasonic uprights from the late 90's with on-board tools. They had good suction through the hose and we also good at cleaning carpet. My grandmother had a Kenmore upright which was well built and so much quieter compared to the Hoover Elite upright it replaced. I would love to try the Miele S7 since I love their canisters, so hopefully Ill get to take one for a spin soon.

As I think back about all the machines I've had and those that I own now, my favorite uprights are those which dont have on-board tools. Kirby is my number one choice for an upright and I rarely use the tools with them. For a more simple and easier to use vac, I love the Electrolux Discovery II - Lux 3000 uprights. While they may not be the best at deep cleaning, they groom the carpet well, have a straight forward idiot proof design, and have an electrified hose for the sidekick. If I wanted to use something with tools or do above floor cleaning, I use a canister. If its deep carpet cleaning that needs to be done, than a Kirby it is.


Post# 124320 , Reply# 18   2/8/2011 at 09:08 (4,819 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        
Eureka Excaliber Upright

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Hi Bobby,

Like the other combo uprights I like, the Eureka Excaliber had two motors - one for suction, the other to drive the brush roll. The three-position switch allowed you to choose between carpet cleaning (both motors running) or bare floor cleaning (suction motor only) or both motors off. The other neat thing about the Excaliber was that the brush roll motor automatically turned off as soon as you removed the hose from its stored position (there was some kind of switch in the hose holster). When you returned the hose to the stored position, it allowed the power to the brush roll to resume.

If I remember correctly, the Excaliber also had a short air path when used for carpet cleaning - the dirt did not have to meander all the way through the hose when you used the vac for carpet or bare floor cleaning. There must have been some valve somewhere that redirected the suction into the hose when you removed the hose handle from its stored position. A really great design - too bad Electrolux could not get the electrical system to handle the two motor system!!!!


Post# 124329 , Reply# 19   2/8/2011 at 11:02 (4,819 days old) by Vacuumfreeeke ()        

I wonder what the brushroll looked like? I know it was the top of the line... I have the JC Pennys add from 1996 that has it in there.... I'd love to scan and post it some time if I can figure out how to use my all in one's scanner function.... I don't even know where the manual is.... I'm sure they have it at Cannon.com, it's less than a year old.... I had some Sears ones from the 80s as well that I stole from a class in high school (we were cutting magazines for project), but I can't find them to save my life.... had some beautiful machines (a black Concept one with chrome handle, so cool!).

It was rare for an upright back then to have a bare floor setting, so that is a truly unique feature for machines of that time period. The only person I know who had one is the minister of the gay church here in Orlando and he adored it and said he hoped it lasted forever.... he was really proud of it when we about vacuums and I asked him what kind he had.

The Kenmore/Panasonic direct drives also had the feature that would turn off the brushroll when the hose was removed, but I thought it was overkill because the brushroll was off when the handle was in the upright position anyway.... as it should be... all three of my uprights with on board tools have that feature and I wouldn't want one without it.



Post# 124333 , Reply# 20   2/8/2011 at 12:00 (4,819 days old) by kirbyeureka95 ()        
here is a scan of the sanitaire version of the excaliber..

it says it had a chrome plated brushroll, looks like a vgII in the black and white diagram

Post# 124337 , Reply# 21   2/8/2011 at 12:16 (4,819 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa)        
Broken Eureka handle

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Bobby,

The picture was taken in another member's house. The handle was brittle and cracked. Yes, I did it and felt so guilty over it. Hope this answers your question.

Kenny




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Post# 124341 , Reply# 22   2/8/2011 at 13:00 (4,819 days old) by nick (Hastings, New Zealand)        

the first dirt devils in red, were very good vacs excellent suction, great carpet cleaners, and good tools, even the later ones with cloth front bag were good
dyson wands are too bulky to use, i find on board tools of most uprights are fine for a quick use for a dust bunny in the corner, but for real cleaning in the real world get out a canister vac


Post# 124361 , Reply# 23   2/8/2011 at 17:57 (4,819 days old) by vac_whisperer ()        

I LOVE my 1996 Panasonic performance plus... Its green, but i dont know what model it is.

VW


Post# 124646 , Reply# 24   2/11/2011 at 20:57 (4,816 days old) by tazcatsdad (Buffalo, NY)        
I have two favorites ...

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One is my Windsor Sensor SR12 (made by Sebo), and the other is my Electrolux Z612E.

The Windsor came into my collection from a thrift store that was going out of business: they were having a 50% off sale on the day that I wandered in, and this vacuum was marked $12! Needless to say, I snatched that one up in a hurry ...

As for the Electrolux, I found it on eBay UK. The seller originally wasn't going to post it (he just wanted to sell it as "pick up only" -- but an e-mail from me "pleading my case" convinced him to post it to my forwarding address in Dover, and the rest is history!


Post# 124657 , Reply# 25   2/12/2011 at 00:15 (4,816 days old) by electroluxxxx (……)        

I have both tht Excalibur and the excalibur style Kent Dura vac, the excalibur is 12 amp and the kent is 10. the thing about the air path is that once the hose is removed a metal slide closes off the air path to the floor, the down side about the excalibur design was that they were weak at the hose, the upside was they were pretty strong at the floor. if the bag chamber was designed Differently then I am sure that there would be better performance at the hose. the Excalibur had a wooden brushroll while the commercial style had metal. these machines are pretty good groomers as I love the path they leave behind. easy to use but HEAVY!!!!

here are some pics, I will post some pics of the bag chamber tomorrow.

enjoy :)


Post# 124658 , Reply# 26   2/12/2011 at 00:16 (4,816 days old) by electroluxxxx (……)        

excalibur underside

Post# 124659 , Reply# 27   2/12/2011 at 00:16 (4,816 days old) by electroluxxxx (……)        

dura vac underside

Post# 124833 , Reply# 28   2/13/2011 at 15:05 (4,814 days old) by OpelGTKarl (Puyallup, Washington)        
Mine is.....

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Hoover Powermax

Post# 124837 , Reply# 29   2/13/2011 at 16:05 (4,814 days old) by myvacsrock (USA)        
90's Panasonic

I love this machine. It is my daily machine, it is so much fun and quiet, and parts to maintain it are very inexpensive. I like the dirt senors and how long the cord is. Nice design and execution on Panasonic's part.

Post# 125024 , Reply# 30   2/15/2011 at 05:03 (4,813 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I don't normally use tools on board uprights-they seem bulky,clunky,and the tools sometimes fall off when being used.My choice for that style of vacuum would be the Meile S7 Tango.Oh yes when you have to use their attached hoses-you feel like you are in a wrestling match with the vacuum.The hose and wands are good "cobweb" grabbers in room or ceiling corners.

Post# 125039 , Reply# 31   2/15/2011 at 09:57 (4,812 days old) by Vacuumfreeeke ()        

That's why machines like the Eureka Smart Vac are a pleasure.... the hose does not have its own "will", it submits and complies without complaint! Of course the attachments fall off readily, the nested wands can only go on one way, and the crevice tool can only be inserted onto the 1st wand and not the 2nd one (doesn't fit!), but I guess no vacuum is prefect!

Mike, I had no clue they made a Kent version of the Excalibur.... so is this a fan first, round belt machine? I would have never thought it!


Post# 125063 , Reply# 32   2/15/2011 at 16:52 (4,812 days old) by electroluxxxx (……)        

hey bobby!
this bachine is a round belt machine, Clean Air, and 2 motor system. very well made just not to well thought out.



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